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Submitted by -Mezzo- 1016d ago | news

Treyarch comes clean: Black Ops didn't "significantly innovate", but Black Ops 2 will

OXM - Call of Duty: Black Ops wasn't the most innovative shooter on the block, Treyarch's Mark Lamia has conceded, but Black Ops 2? It's going to innovate your socks off. Not wearing socks? Say goodbye to your feet. (Call of Duty: Black Ops, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

CustardTrout  +   1016d ago
At least they're honest.
-Mezzo-  +   1016d ago
Hope they're right this time, and aren't just saying that to take a trip down our Wallets..... again.
CustardTrout  +   1016d ago
I have faith in them, with the dynamic changing story etc, but I've had faith in other companies too...
nrvalleytime  +   1016d ago
Agreed. I don't know if this is a consistent problem with Treyarch, but I hesitate to believe this statement. Wait and see approach seems best here.
supersonicjerry  +   1015d ago
They have added so much I don't see how they can be taking a trip down our wallets. Campaign,Mulitplayer ,and Zombies have so much that no other COD has.
HarryMasonHerpderp  +   1016d ago
Modern Warfare 3 was the COD game made with the least amount of effort.
Really put me off the series.
Hopefully BLOPS 2 will be an improvement.
I think Treyarch have overtaken infinity ward.
Baka-akaB  +   1016d ago
Honest ? dunno , they didnt come clean about their previous games . It just happens that ghost IW is just far worse in that regard .

And it's too obvious to deny at this point , espcially after they squeezed everybit of money from those titles already
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GraveLord  +   1015d ago
A game doesn't have to be innovative to be fun.
Besides, they never said Black Ops was super innovative. So why does it say that Treyearch is "coming clean"? They're phrasing it like a confession or something.
Gohadouken  +   1015d ago
Of course not . But there is such a things as improving your game in sequels even if retaining most of it . Wich Cod does but too sparringly .

People love to draw analogies with sport games , but take football games ... at least when they dont come up with big gameplay changes (wich they still did more often than the cod series) , they at least significantly upgrades their graphics and animations .

Cod ? Not so much , sometimes not even at all . Hell Dynasty Warriors , the king of milking series , had more changes between 5 and 7 than past cod titles .
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fermcr  +   1015d ago
2 years from now:

Treyarch comes clean: Black Ops 2 didn't "significantly innovate", but Black Ops 3 will.

4 years from now:

Treyarch comes clean: Black Ops 3 didn't "significantly innovate", but Black Ops 4 will.

... and so on.
-Gespenst-  +   1015d ago
Exactly haha.
seanpitt23  +   1015d ago
This is exactly what will happen they say this so you can give them your money and that's what their all bothered about
ProGrasTiNation  +   1015d ago
How are they honest if they come out & say...look last time we lied but this time we are really innovating,these cod devs use the words of activision.
Its gonna be 4 hours of getting your hand held through a mindless no brain game with very little gameplay.
If they made this game require any thought at all the kids would never play it.
Even the multi play has become an unbalanced mess & requires no brain power to play it.
xflo360  +   1016d ago
Come november 2014 they will say " we know blops 2 didnt innovate, but blops 3 will." lol
THE_MACGREGOR  +   1016d ago
well ill be the first to say this, believe it or not from a COD stand point. Treyarch has really been the ones to innovate the franchise. Sure cod 3 wasnt anything worth noting . However it was the first game that allowed the player to sprint prior to that you had to switch pistols.
Fast forward to 2008 world at war.
Zombies. Allowed for players to differentiate along the competitive gaming routes and engage and help one another while also competiting to survive rounds.
IW did do the same thing the next year in a differ way with Spec Ops ( which is kinda crappy too)
Follow that up With Black Ops
Zombies again with the experience upgraded
as well as wager matches
also combat training to test your skill before alot of you get gang banged online.
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mynameisEvil  +   1015d ago
By the way, you know you couldn't actually sprint in Call of Duty 3? Popped it in a minute ago to see, and you can't.

But the rest of your comment is solid, for the most part, soo... :P
SaffronCurse  +   1015d ago
You could sprint (In MP)
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Marquis_de_Sade  +   1015d ago
That's innovation
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aiBreeze  +   1016d ago
What exactly is "innovative" about black ops 2? I'd pretty much bet Treyarch claimed the original black ops was innovative too around about this time.
1nsomniac  +   1016d ago
If I bother with any COD it's always Treyarchs, the others are a waste of time & it will be the same this time. If I ever bother with it this will be the one I pick. Didnt even bother trying MW3.
nintendosux718   1016d ago | Spam
MySwordIsHeavenly  +   1015d ago
You didn't like COD, COD2, or COD4?!? WHY?!? Those are the best in the series.
mynameisEvil  +   1015d ago
That's arguable. While I have to agree with the first and second are easily the best in the series, I didn't particularly care for Modern Warfare, instead preferring World at War.

Subjectivity is a beautiful thing, ain't it?

But I don't think he's actually referring to the originals, but IW's latest 2 outings.
torchic  +   1015d ago
fair enough but the first BLOPS was the best in the series me thinks, it had a genuienly fantastic multiplayer

it's going to be hard act to follow. I'm expecting to be disappointed because the MP underwent so much change
grayfoxx881  +   1015d ago
Yeah I thought Black Ops was great, too. Treyarch had the right game speed for multiplayer. Black Ops 2 supposedly plays more like MW3, meaning it's a faster-paced game with the weapons being deadlier. Hopefully that's not the case.
InTheLab  +   1015d ago
You probably forget about it being broken for the first 4 months until the patches for the 360 version rolled out...followed by PC fixes and finally PS3.

Remember the hit box issue?

Technically, it was one of the worst in the franchise and highlighted Treyarchs shortcomings...
supersonicjerry  +   1015d ago
Multiplayer was fun but was to easy for me at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
grayfoxx881  +   1014d ago
Really? A video of you playing an objective-based game, and you capping just one objective other than the one at the start of the game? Please...everyone on the other team had horrible k/d ratios as well. Pad your k/d in TDM.
Marquis_de_Sade  +   1015d ago
I would argue the best in the series in terms of impact and sheer wow factor was Call of Duty 2, my first real experience of HD console gaming.
ziggurcat  +   1015d ago
"Black Ops didn't "significantly innovate", but Black Ops 2 will"

no, it won't.
MySwordIsHeavenly  +   1015d ago
It's Treyarch. West/Zampella innovated. Treyarch does not.
SlavisH2  +   1015d ago
this reminds me of thq's wwe game :(
Bladesfist  +   1015d ago
I must have a different understanding of the word innovation
Cam977  +   1015d ago
oK...
Straightupbeastly  +   1015d ago
It doesn't innovate at all from the multiplayer side. It has some refinements like your load out options, multi team modes, round based modes, scorestreaking..but that doesn't Innovate, it's a refinement people. The cod casting thing is a gimmick. Sorry to upset and disappoint u, but this is all PR talk. They're saying the right things to create buzz for their game like every deb does. Just take it with a grain of salt.

There is full games of black ops 2 on YouTube go watch. It's the same exact thing

Cod4 was an innovation, it changed the way we look at multiplayer

I can't speak on zombies.
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MySwordIsHeavenly  +   1015d ago
To be fair, Battlefield 2 introduced the leveling system in multi-player. COD4 was just a much more popular game.
InTheLab  +   1015d ago
I seem to recall having the same conversation for the last 3 CoDs. how much each game moved the series forward...lol. It's been pretty much the exact opposite for years.

So they've stripped the mp back to what it was years before. I'd hardly called that innovation. They've expanded Zombie mode to something that resembles L4D. While that's fantastic news, it's not innovative. They've moved the series to the near future....no innovation there.

If 3arch were to figure out how to create difficulty without the randomly spawning and infinite amount of enemies that spam an unlimited supply of grenades....that could be considered innovation. Abandoning the invisible line that the game funnels you through with those infinitely spawning enemies would also go a long way towards improving the franchise. Realistic explosions and animations would also be innovative for the franchise.

None of that will happen..
Yodagamer  +   1015d ago
I i really did like the wager matches and zombies, was kinda disappointed when they didn't return to mw3, so i didn't buy it (although i played it at a friends house).
jjb1981  +   1015d ago
I like how I can have a lethal grenade and a claymore
danimitsu  +   1015d ago
I find this "come clean" headlines to be somewhat trollish, any one agree/disagree? i mean, imo, there is nothing to "come clean" about. Black Ops was fun, and it did a lot of things that other shooters in its genre didnt or wouldnt do.

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