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Pachter Examines Zynga's Flailing, sees Wii U Failing

AListDaily interviews Pachter on Zynga and the Wii U, sharing the importance of Zynga monetizing every user and his feeling that the Wii U feels disaggregated in design. (Michael Pachter, Wii U)

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mafiahajeri  +   1210d ago
Finally Patch your making some sense now.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1210d ago
Once again Pachter states the obvious!
thorstein  +   1209d ago
The only problem with predicting a Wii U failure is that the preorders are selling out. I am not a huge Nintendo fan since before the N64 (N64 wasn't bad). I have a Wii, but I also have children that play on it often.

IF they weren't selling out, then I could see his point.
MasFlowKiller  +   1209d ago

I dont think he is saying it is going to fail, i think he is saying that it is going to have a hard time selling.

At this point it is up to Nintendo, they will need to invest in 1st party since i too think they will have issue attracting unique 3rd party games.

I dont want to call developers lazy but they are(not by choice, mostly blame publishers)
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1209d ago
The Wii U will do fine. Especially when that new Zelda comes out...
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   1209d ago
"I dont think he is saying it is going to fail, i think he is saying that it is going to have a hard time selling. "

Even if he meant both, anyone considering such a thing should have their head examined.
Eyeco  +   1208d ago
I think the Wii-U will sell fine as well but i'm having a hard time believing its gonna sell as well or as fast as the WII tbh.

That and I don't Zelda is gonna impact it sales, I've said this before the only people that buy Zelda games are the same people that bought the games since Ocarina of Time or even since the 1st title. How can I say that ? well statistically Zelda games usually sell anywhere between 4 and 7 mllion (OoT) copies and have done for years meaning it's the same people buying the games,Not that theres anything wong with that, its the same with Halo.
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sphinct  +   1208d ago
this guy is very black and white. he is either very right or very wrong.
sikbeta  +   1208d ago
I like how since he was called out so many time, he plays it safe on gaf by "not picking sides" and when he has a chance, talk about failure...
Leviathan  +   1208d ago
Why does this guy still have a job?
Waddy101  +   1208d ago
@theorstein Pre-orders may be "selling it" but what's to say that isn't just Nintendo not making enough consoles to make it look like there is massive demand. Until we have proper figures on pre-order numbers, not just "pre-orders selling out" then we can't build up a proper picture.

As for the Wii U i just don't see any appeal behind it personally, maybe when there is a zelda or a metroid game then i may consider buying one.
HammadTheBeast  +   1209d ago
I love this guy lol. Articles about him have many lulz.
memots  +   1209d ago
I think most the "lulz" are from these forum reactions.
live2play  +   1209d ago
everything he says, the opposite is the truth :o

live2play: "I'm not a fan of michael patcher"
fei-hung  +   1209d ago
I don't always agree with Patxher, but going by what you said, Zynga should grow as a company not the other way round.
Highlife  +   1209d ago
I'm not a fan of it either but who should care?
showtimefolks  +   1209d ago
i like patcher but wasn't it him who said gta 3 will sell 300k? and borderlands will fail?

i don't see wii-u doing 100 million or even 80 million like wii did so if that's failure than so be it but i think it will sell 60-70 million life time which imo is a success

just like people call psp a failure and its around 65 million world wide sales wise. yeh yeh i know 3ds did better but something that sells 60 plus million can not be a failure
Nicolee  +   1209d ago
Patch : " They sold 90 million Wii’s, it’s certainly less than 90 million hardcore fans "

sound like true analyst .
ShinMaster  +   1209d ago
Well there is truth to that.

When you have a core game like Zelda: Skyward Sword sell 3.4mil and games like Wii Fit and Wii Play sell 30 mil, then you know who's really buying the Wii, compared to the sales of the GameCube and N64 before it.
Beastforlifenoob  +   1209d ago
u call wii fit a core game?
MoonConquistador  +   1209d ago
@Beastforlifenoob - No he didn't call Wii fit a core game, he did however refer to Zelda as a core game. Maybe you should read and comprehend what he's saying before replying next time
LX-General-Kaos  +   1210d ago | Funny
I wish Pachter the best of luck with his future purchase of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system.

Hopefully one day he may be blessed with Nintendo offerings that him and his family can enjoy together. While taking advantage of the next generation tablet like control functionality of Nintendos new innovative game pad.

I am looking forward to competing against Pachter and his family online in the next gen iteration of the Mario Kart franchise exclusively on the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system.

Rated E For Everyone
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360ICE  +   1210d ago | Well said
Still no idea if you're kidding, overdoing it or if you're a nutjob.

...Kinda leaning towards nutjob.
nrvalleytime  +   1209d ago
Gotta admit - these threads are extremely enjoyable.
blumatt  +   1209d ago
I gave you a Well Said. lol

I too believe he is overly obsessed. haha

I mean if you're a fan, it's one thing, but this guy just overdoes it. And that is an understatement. I'm a HUGE fan of PlayStation but I don't go nearly to the extent he does to express it.

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OT: The Wii U should do fine. I don't think it's going to be the runaway success the Wii was just due to the fact that not a lot of moms and grandmas are going to plunk down $300/350 USD just to play the same Just Dance and Wii Fit games, and there's not enough of a differentiator within that tablet to justify them upgrading just to have the tablet show some heart readings or something that's also on the TV screen. lol
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blumatt  +   1209d ago
Why all the disagrees? Explain yourselves Internet cowards. LoL
ConstipatedGorilla  +   1208d ago
I think he's the last 2, but he always cracks me up with these corporate comments.
Oldman100  +   1209d ago
I love how your comments are open for interpretation. Some see it as fanboyism or trolling, while others like myself see it mostly as comedy. The reactions to your comments are chocolate on the strawberry.

I would like to see you and DarkSniper have a back and forth, even if you guys are the same person.

Rated F for Funny
LX-General-Kaos  +   1209d ago
Thank you for your support and positive attitude. One can only hope for more people with those qualities.
fatstarr  +   1209d ago
Pachter always predicts the failure of everything Nintendo he has a 10% success rate and a 90% fail rate when predicting for this company.

I would have more fear if he predicted success.

though his vita predictions = spot on.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   1209d ago
There is nothing "next gen" about a single-touch capacitive screen.
Certainly far behind from being anything like a tablet.

Implementation ≠ "innovation"

And why would someone need luck?
MasterCratosKong66  +   1209d ago
would it have raised prices to add multitouch?
probably a little

would it have been a necessary addition with plenty of physical buttons, a gyroscope, and control sticks on the gamepad that can already take on any helpful function brought on by multitouch?
not at all

Can you come up with 5 implementations that can't be covered by the other controls to prove me wrong?
probably not but you are welcome to try
ElectricKaibutsu  +   1209d ago
The thing with a capacitive screen is it's not as durable as a resistive one. These systems are designed for kids to drop and misuse. The reason multitouch exists is because the touch screen is the only way to control an iPad or smartphone. You need multitouch to have more control options. Having face buttons, triggers, and two analog sticks solves that problem. Unless you're talking about directly porting iPad games to it, but I think for the most part inputs could be remapped to the physical controls.

At least that's why I imagine Nintendo is sticking with resistive when there is really no cost benefit anymore.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   1208d ago
It's not the tablet itself, it's the way Nintendo is integrating it into gameplay and it's other functionality that is "next gen". No other home console has done anything like it to this point, so it is "next gen" whether you're interested in it or not. Do I think it will be the most powerful of the next gen systems? No, but I'm looking forward to what they do with the system.
MaxXAttaxX  +   1208d ago
I'm not saying it needs multitouch or anything else.
I was simply refuting LX-General's silly statements.
zdkapl  +   1210d ago
Michael Pachter doesn't like the Wii U? How surprising.
Erimgard  +   1210d ago
He's always been critical of Nintendo. That said, just a month ago he claimed the system would be highly successful.

And I wouldn't say comparing a system to the DS is a bad thing....the DS sold over 150 million units. Of course, he said that system was doomed too.
napoleon1066  +   1210d ago
Saying "I don't like X" and "I think X will be successful" are two very distinct possessions. I hate the Yankees, but I still think they're going to be successful most years. This case is no different. Patcher doesn't personally like the Wii U, but he thinks it will be financially successful.

Let's not pretend those positions are contradictory. They're not.
Nutsack  +   1210d ago
Pachter is spot on. The bulky tablet controller is an one touch screen aka a blown up DS. Another gimmick to sell a console with, how the Wii was sold by the Wiimote motion gimmick. The 3rd party pretty much only made shovelware for it, a few exceptions besides that pile of rubbish. The other only good games were 1st party Nintendo games.

WiiU won't change a lot.

WiiU - Rated U for Upgrade


@ Erimgard

Eh one touch is so outdated old tech... All smartphones, tablets, PSVita have multitouch. WHy limit a tablet like device to one touch? That is just pathetic.

Besides that, we've seen what Nintendo's ways are: sell their hardware, sell their added hardware like Wiifit, and sell their own 1st party games. They don't really care for 3rd party. Didn't with the Wii, won't with WiiU
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LX-General-Kaos  +   1210d ago
You arrive with much negative speak..

When your future gaming console of choice arrives to the scene of the gaming spectrum. I want you to find me if it comes standard with its own Nintendo Wii U entertainment system tablet like control functions.

At the moment Nintendo holsters the most successful consoles in the business today. It may not be wise to mock their ways of entertainment and profitability. Especially while other brands are not of such fortunate blessings. Some could use some study time with Nintendos book of successful business ventures.

I know from previous conversations that you are a fellow Sony supporter. Are you telling me and the people here that you can't find any rewarding experiences from the PS3/Vita combo since it duplicates a few functions from the Nintendo game pad?

And the fact that your console of choice borrowed the Nintendo Wii mote innovation and used it on their own platform to try to capture the same market?

Rated E For Everyone
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mafiahajeri  +   1210d ago
Tried it played zombie u and it was ridiculously annoying and not comfortable to play. The design is stupid aimed at the casuals who will buy it and play it once. I hope your getting payed for all these comments you sure have enough bubbles :D

Oh LX-GENERAL you should have stopped editing your comment with rubbish, you should have stopped while you were ahead Im assuming your talking about the PS move, Iam I correct? Well read em and weep my friend I hope this doesnt result in a pay cut for you but Iam sure theyl(Nintendo) forgive you Just use up your remaining bubbles...


Rated M for Mature

edit: Well said nutsack well said...
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GribbleGrunger  +   1209d ago
I'm not even going to read the article, but let's face it, it's not the body of the text that matters, it's the heading alone that this has been put here for. This is becoming a very sad situation. I'm not exaggerating when I say it brings back memories of the playground in my infants school. Look people, you can have my marbles because clearly you've lost yours.
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Neonridr  +   1209d ago
mafia - the Wiimote started development back in 2001, so how does your link prove anything other than Sony was working on something in 2004? Nintendo even filed for patents in 2001 related to the gyroscopic technologies you currently find in the device.
andibandit   1209d ago | Trolling | show
chrisarsenalsavart  +   1209d ago
I don,t think nutsack is a sony fan to be honest,

But for the sake of argument, does anyone cares about what patchers think?
No! Not even his own kids do.

The hate articles about wiiu are normal. People always resent what they can,t comprehend.

Nintendo, like sony has one of the most loyal fanbase in gaming.
Nintendo even more so, because they have been there for nearly 35 years and no matter what people think and no matter how many units they will sell, they will always be there.
Long live the wiiu
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PopRocks359  +   1209d ago

Clearly you never played it. I've never read a single preview that said anything about the gamepad feeling too big or bulky. In fact, I myself tried it last weekend at Comic-Con and it was pretty comfortable. The only complaint I have is that the grips on the bottom felt undefined and a little flat. But since the same can be said about a 3DS or a Vita, I'm not counting that as a very big negative.

So no. I don't buy for a second you played it because there was nothing about my own experience that resulted in discomfort.
Erimgard  +   1210d ago
Again, how is being similar to the DS a bad thing? It's neck and neck with the PS2 for being the most successful system of all time.

Toss in the most powerful processor Nintendo has ever had, HD graphics, free online (designed by an outside company specifically because Nintendo didn't want to repeat the mediocre online of the Wii) and...well...that doesn't sound too terrible to me.
Erimgard  +   1210d ago
Is multitouch really necessary when you have gyroscope, dual analog sticks, a Dpad, trigger buttons, and 4 other buttons? How many scenarios are you really going to need multitouch for on a controller with ALL the standard controls already?
Neonridr  +   1209d ago
what benefits does multitouch have on gaming Nutsack? I can't remember the last consol-esque type ipad game that even used multi-touch. Seems to me that the biggest feature for multi-touch is when you pinch-zoom the screen.. yippee!!

Almost all ios games use single taps along with swipes or drawing as the main types of inputs. And the gamepad can do all those just fine. Just because something has a feature, doesn't mean it's useful.
Zhipp  +   1209d ago
Actually, any iOS/Android game that uses on-screen controls requires multi-touch. It is an absolute necessity!
The fact that Nintendo did not include multitouch or physical buttons effectively means that they have COMPLETELY AND ENTIRELY abandoned hard-core gaming in favor of cheap, crappy games like Angry B--Oh wait... no.
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Neonridr  +   1209d ago
I agree that an iOS device requires multitouch when there is a need for a virtual control stick. But the gamepad has a physical analog stick and buttons that can be programmed to be utilized in the game. A game like Shadowgun for example has no need for touch controls. The stick and buttons would be fine, but you could play it on the gamepad screen. Even a game like Infinity Blade only requires a swipe or a shape to be drawn to work properly. The multitouch issue can easily be worked around when you have physical controls, which are always superior to virtual controls. I don't understand when you said they didn't include physical buttons as the gamepad has tons of them..
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Phil32   1210d ago | Off topic | show
zerocrossing  +   1210d ago
Does anyone actually take this guy seriously? And if so why?

Wanna know what I think? Well tough Im saying it anyway.

Nintendo's Wii U will sell well, it'll sell really well, because it's "Nintendo" they have a huge fan following doesn't matter if Im a fan or if your not because they have ton of them.

They have had some ups and downs over the years but they aren't known as the grand daddy of gaming for nothing.
tiffac008  +   1209d ago
You know Pachter he loves underestimating the Big N.
zerocrossing  +   1209d ago
He's just another nobody with a big mouth, that knows you gain more attention trolling the internet than actually putting effort and research into forming opinions.

He's completely biased and It amazes me how people insist on encouraging him.
Schawk   1210d ago | Trolling | show
DigitalAnalog  +   1210d ago
The only reason why Pachter is not a fan of the Wii-U or Nintendo in general is because he actually admits he CANNOT predict what it can do in the future.
chukamachine  +   1210d ago
I can't say i'm a fan. But they do make some good games, and i like the style of alot of them.
1upgamer99   1209d ago | Personal attack | show
DarkZane  +   1209d ago
Patcher got a point, but nobody cares, because he is Patcher.
DivineAssault  +   1209d ago
if it gets more games, i cant say i agree.. But right now im on his side of things.. I dont think its too much money but i have yet to try it so i cant say.. All i want to see is the damn network side of the wii u.. I know 1st party games will be stunning & they will arrive but thats how it always is.. Id like to see change from a network & 3rd party standpoint for the better.. I will give it a try when the demo stations are up though my options will be limited until its @ home..

I have to agree 100% about the DS having both screens in line of sight making it a more natural field of view compared to this.. Also that 3rd party wont be able to do anything beyond what theyve done in the past.. Nintendo will but not them.. I hope im wrong but who knows what to expect here? Making blocks in mario isnt exactly groundbreaking, nor is controlling a fly in rayman..
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josephayal   1209d ago | Personal attack | show
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abzdine  +   1209d ago
you just prove how pro you are
Fishy Fingers   1209d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(1)
Jadedz  +   1209d ago
At least all is right in the Universe. Wouldn't want Mr.Pachter's luck (lmao) influencing anything related Nintendo.
kma2k  +   1209d ago
Well that seals it the Wii u will be an overwhelming success. It seems like whenever Patcher says something will fail or succeedd the oposite happens!
Christopher  +   1209d ago
You should note that Pachter doesn't like the Wii U, but he says it will be very successful. So, how do you read that now?
kma2k  +   1209d ago
From my understanding of the article he said it will sell like crazy to the hardcore ninteo fan boys then flounder after that...did i read what he said wrong?
Christopher  +   1209d ago
He said it would sell about 10 million in its first year (extremely well in its first 6 months). Regardless of him saying it would flounder afterwards, if you think that many in the first year of a console like the Wii U is bad...

You can't just nitpick what you like from him and then make generalizing statements about him at the same time.

We all need to realize that he is making primarily personal opinions on the device but doesn't get paid for that. He gets paid for analyzing sales data to detect trends and help people decide on the direction the market goes. Considering he still has his job, is very well known, and people still ask him questions, it's more likely that he knows better than any of us on N4G about this type of stuff. Even with all the info, you are only get it right half the time because we just aren't as predictable as statistics would have us believe.
Thepcz   1209d ago | Personal attack | show
WeskerChildReborned  +   1209d ago
Wow did he just state something that we already know or we could already assume?
Benjamminkno   1209d ago | Immature | show
thebudgetgamer  +   1209d ago
The only thing that bugs me is, if you want the full WiiU experience buy four different controllers. How much are those stand alone controllers gonna cost?
Benjamminkno  +   1209d ago
I already own them.
live2play  +   1209d ago
well if you are talking about the gamepads then only two can be used
one so far for launch games

if you mean wii controllers then they are like 40 bucks
thebudgetgamer  +   1209d ago
I only think that because if you have more than one kid you will need two of the tablet controllers.
samtheseed   1209d ago | Offensive
fourtwenty2009  +   1209d ago
World: I'm not a fan of Michael Pachter.
_LarZen_  +   1209d ago
People are giving the Wii U remote a hard time because it's something different but just wait and see what Sony and Microsoft is gonna do to respond to this new controller.

My bett is that when the next gen consoles from them comes it will in some way be buildt on the idea from the Wii U remote.

There is no way they will have a console cycle with a component missing that the competition will have.
DragonKnight  +   1209d ago
You're making the assumption that this new gimmick will be as successful as the Wiimote. The casual audience are not repeat buyers. They won't see the need for a new console if their old one (Wii) still works perfectly well. So I doubt Sony will go with their own version of the WiiU tablet.
beerkeg  +   1208d ago
'The casual audience are not repeat buyers.'

And you're basing this on what exactly?
DragonKnight  +   1208d ago
Fact. Do you know any casual gamers? Have you taken a look at social media games? It's not hard to see.
beerkeg  +   1208d ago
You're still not giving any facts, just an opinion. I'm not seeing any facts here.
DragonKnight  +   1208d ago
I'm not going to connect dots for you when it's as plain as the nose on your face. When was the last time your grandmother went out and bought more than one console? When was the last time you saw a parent that thought it'd be a good idea to spend another $300 on a "toy" when the current "toy" they have was just as expensive and still works perfectly fine. Don't get it twisted, the casual audience will, at best, only see that the Wii U has a tablet controller, but based on the name and their lack of desire to look it up they'll more than likely assume that it's just something new for the Wii. That's just common sense.
ronin4life  +   1209d ago
"I'm not a fan of the WiiU"

NO. REALLY?? I NEVER would have guessed...

I read the first answer in the interview and quite right there. I myself stated that zynga and the social fad was a bubble, and I have 0 marketing/analytical credentials whatsoever. But his excuse is that they were "too good"?! What the HELL sense does that make? It only makes sense if you are in denial.

Nearly Everything he has ever said and been wrong about I had correctly predicted what would be the out come. He just doesn't get it, and the proof is in the internet monkey pudding; people who "shouldn't" know better obviously do.
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Rockoman16  +   1209d ago
Ugh Pachter again? whatever Nintendo does he will never like them either way, and why do i have the feeling that he smells bad?
PopRocks359   1209d ago | Trolling | show
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