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Submitted by doctorstrange 720d ago | opinion piece

Daily Reaction: Does Sony Need a Kinect-Style Camera on PS4?

With more and more rumors, and PSLS-uncovered patents, pointing towards a Kinect-style camera in the works at SCE, it’s likely that Sony is considering adding such a device to the PS4, especially when you consider the runaway sales success the Kinect sensor has been. With that in mind, the Daily Reaction super group of Sebastian Oravasaari and Dan Moss discuss what it could mean for Sony, and what it could mean for you. - PSLS (Kinect, Next-Gen, PS3)

GribbleGrunger  +   720d ago
It's unbelievable the way the media rewrite history and now they're doing it before it happens
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doogiebear  +   720d ago
If it's cheap, already comes in the box with the ps4, and actually works (unlike kinect) then I don't care if they add it. My GF would like that anyway. And besides, there would be no kinect if it were not for the original Eyetoy. So yeah, Sony is totally within means to create it even if MS cries foul.
wastedcells  +   720d ago
The tech needs to be better. Kinect games are horrible but it's a nice first attempt at something that could be really cool one day.
dbjj12088  +   719d ago
Why wouldn't Sony add functionality to match their competitors?
ftwrthtx  +   720d ago
The original PlayStation Eyetoy did quite a bit of the same stuff that Kinect does, so why not improve on the PS Eye?
Foolsjoker  +   720d ago
Similar concepts but worlds different. Like a Mercedes vs a Pinto. Both drive, but the tech is vastly different.
ftwrthtx  +   720d ago
I wouldn't say vastly different and it's more like a 1990's Benz vs a 2012 Benz.
Xof  +   720d ago
Er, no, the tech is virtually identical.

The software is different. Slightly.

The coding might be vastly different. Maybe.
Army_of_Darkness  +   720d ago
yeah, improve the ps eye
by at least making it 1080p resolution this time.. I still cant understand why the ps eye for the ps3 isn't even 720p?!?!
WiiLovePS360  +   720d ago
Xof

"Er, no, the tech is virtually identical. "

I'm sorry but that is just showing your ignorance on the technology present in both the PSEye and Kinect.

The PSEye is a regular webcam. The Kinect is a regular webcam combined with an infrared projector and camera. Kinect uses the infrared and second camera to form 3D images which are then used to track movement in 3 dimensions. This combined with the 2D webcam allows Kinect to "see" in 3 dimensions.

The PSEye can detect movement through software algorithms that compare each frame to the previous frame and find differences. Unfortunately this has many limitations, such as anything moving in the field of view such as pets or curtains will be registered as changes and can affect how the game/application is affected.

This is why the PS Move "wand" controller is needed to get 3D tracking out of the PSEye - the glowing sphere on the "wand" is a known size that never changes so the software can determine where and how far it moves based on the change in size of the glowing sphere on the "wand". It is essentially "faked" 3 dimensional tracking - taking a photo, finding the glowing sphere and recording its size and position, taking another photo 1/60th of a second later, finding the glowing sphere again and recording its size and position, and comparing the 2 photos (frames) to determine the direction of movement on the X, Y, and Z axis.

Kinect is also able to work under low-light situations due to the infrared not requiring light to function.

They are both cameras, but the technology behind them both is worlds apart.
greenpowerz  +   720d ago
You got agrees LOL
edonus  +   720d ago
You and those that agree with you clearly dont understand the concept of infrared. Ps Eye is a regular video camera and the information it picks up and uses doesnt carry enough information to make stable processing.
Kinect the biggest thing kinect does different is pick up true depth. No regular camera can do that. Move does it by calculating the size of the glowing orb. Look at wow much better kung fu live works on kinect compared to Ps eye. Not saying kung fu live is a good game by any means but look at how much more stable precise and versatile the kinect version is.

I'll probably get a bunch of disagrees but that doesnt change reality.
BitbyDeath  +   720d ago
They need a better camera that much is certain.
doctorstrange  +   720d ago
Bring on mind control already
HeavenlySnipes  +   720d ago
For what? Lets be real, the Kinect and Move aren't going to be something people will invest in next gen simply because they do nothing other than give people a few seconds to amazement over there use. Yes I've played shooters with the Move, and while they are fun in the campaigns and all, their really isn't a universal use for the device. I want RPG's, platformers etc.. that not only utilize both devices, but do so well enough to make their purchase worthwhile.

I don't see t happening even with an improved Kinect or Move. Plus all that would do would increase the cost of the system if it were to come with the motion device bundled
Foolsjoker  +   720d ago
You might want to actually read the article, most of what you say is covered.
doctorstrange  +   720d ago
Wait, you're meant to read articles on N4G and *then* comment?!
greenpowerz  +   720d ago
It will if it's going to keep with the Wii U and Xbox 720 battle next gen.

But IMO the Wiimote for Wii was seen as really futuristic and almost like virtual reality to casuals *relative* to what came before it. Easy Pick up and play social fun, human and computer interaction was mind blowing from 6 year olds to grandma & grandpa.

Wii was being killed by the new kid on the block called Kinect forcing Nintendo to be the first to launch a new console. I don't think Kids and Soccer moms will see the Tablet the same.

Kinect 2 will take the top spot in casual gaming(and for core gamers too)

Sony will have to have something with 3D full body motion tracking at least on par with Kinect. Eye toy comparisons are a joke.

That Story Pic and the mention of Kinect is offensive. Don't reply with eyetoy videos Iv'e seen them. Tech isn't in the same league.

EDIT

Disagree?

eyetoy has a processor with binocular dual cameras, that are infrared with built in software and a multi array mic system?

people seem to be getting less intelligent every year.
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grayfoxx881  +   720d ago
Oh man, your posts are gold! It must be fun being delusional. The Wii was seen as futuristic? Almost like virtual reality to casuals? Mind blowing? God, no wonder you think so highly about Kinect. I got news for you, the Wii U is launching because it needs to, it's simply time for Nintendo to do so. It's not because it "was being killed by the new kid on the block called Kinect." If that was the case, and Kinect was the competition, why isn't Nintendo implementing something similar for the Wii U right out of the box? They aren't, take a look at the controller/ tablet. Many people have tablets now, and Nintendo sees this. Motion control has flopped and stalled. The Kinect had extremely strong sales in the beginning, but many of those purchases were fueled by empty promises on what it could do, not what it eventually would do. If the technology was really that great, don't you think Apple would jump on that wagon and make a killing financially? Kinect 2.0 will offer the same crap like the new Dragonball game or ruin core games like Fable. How good do you think it will be? The system has to be affordable to reach the casuals, and Kinect 2.0 is going to be nothing more than a cheap and half-assed toy.
ChunkyLover53  +   720d ago
Sony patented some similar tech not too long ago, the funny thing is that if Sony were to release something similar to Kinect, the people here would be praising it as another great Sony innovation!

I think next generation will be interesting because all three companies will try and attract all types of gamers right from the start.
yesmynameissumo  +   720d ago
If the games were as shitty as Kinect games, no, they wouldn't be praising anything. I know it's hard to accept, but Kinect is shit. On rails games even suck.
srcBFMVBMTH  +   720d ago
Agreed. Most Move and Kinect games receive low scores because, well they suck lol. Thank god Sony focuses on using Move as an integration with their core titles such as (Killzone 3, Resistance 3, Infamous 2, Socom 4, Heavy Rain etc) instead of constantly wasting money on pushing out tons and tons of motion gaming shovelware titles.

A few Move only games here in there is ok like Until Dawn and Sorcery, but if they start to focus on making those games only instead of actual quality core titles. Then hell no!

Only reason why Kinect games sell so much is because of Advertising. lmao.

It's practically guaranteed that the majority of Microsoft's next gen lineup will be Kinect because that's really all they focus on now.

But considering the amount of quality new IP's Sony creates even to this day. I expect to see their next gen launch line up to be nothing short of epic core new IP experiences.

Thank God Nintendo is paying more attention to the core as well.
ChunkyLover53  +   720d ago
@yesmynameissumo
Do you realize you are stating your personal opinion as fact right?

As for on rails, games like Rise Of Nightmares, Haunt and Kinect Rush don't use rails at all. Also, one of my all time favorite games is on rails, which is Panzer Dragoon.

@srcBFMVBMTH
You are trying to tell me Microsoft doesn't use integration with Kinect with core games? Mass Effect 3, Halo CEA, Forza 4, Forza Horizon and Ghost Recon Future Soldier would like a word with you toot sweet!

Your logic is very flawed, Microsoft hasn't had hardly any first party studios working on Kinect, most have been working on next gen titles.

Sony might not even come out with a new machine next year, supporting PS3 so late could mean a less then stellar launch lineup for the PS4, sort of like the PS3's lackluster lineup.

And you think Kinect games sell because Microsoft properly advertises? Would Sony's lack of sales be because they suck at advertising?

As for the "quality" new IP's Sony creates, some are good, but people aren't really buying them. They buy GT, Uncharted, God Of War and they used to buy Resistance.

Keep up the fanboy hope! Disagrees just mean insecure fanboys here on N4G.
yesmynameissumo  +   720d ago
@Chunky
Kinda like your original comment was opinion. Kinect games wish they were as good a Panzer.
chrisarsenalsavart  +   720d ago
You mean like the wand on ps2 introduced in 2000 and gave the idea for the wii technology in 2005 and the psmove in 2009?

Or the eye toy in 2003 that gave birth of the kinect in 2009?

Or the buzz pads in 2004 that gave the scene it on 360?

You can keep telling yourself that only ninty and ms innovate but we both know that is all bull...

Even sony sample from others.
baodeus  +   720d ago
I hope u know going for who has the original idea can be quite stupid. Like the PS eye toy copy from MS webcam for example, and who know where the webcam might come from.

It is not about who thought of it first but who has the gut to implemented and make it successful.

And u r right, they all just trying to evolve from some idea and there is nothing wrong with th
srcBFMVBMTH  +   720d ago
"Your logic is very flawed, Microsoft hasn't had hardly any first party studios working on Kinect, most have been working on next gen titles"

Are you serious?
Good Science Studio – Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs
Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment – ??? Just look at their name lol
Microsoft Studios – Mobile Gaming – ilomilo
Twisted Pixel Games – The Gunstringer, LocoCycle
Xbox Live Productions – Avatar Kinect
Lionhead Studios - Fable: The Journey
Rare - Kinect Sports
Soho Productions – Kinect Sesame Street TV
BigPark – Kinect Sports: Season Two

Most of the other "studios" work on nothing but XBLA games and crappy mobile games. Seriously, just look at how successful Kinect has become. You got the majority of Microsoft's "studios" working on either Kinect, Mobile, or XBLA games. Are you trying to tell me they won't be focusing more on that next gen? Especially with Microsoft going big on Kinect 2.0?

Kinect has become very successful as a family oriented gaming experience, and you EVEN have the CEO of Microsoft admitting that Xbox is becoming more of a "family entertainment center" than an actual dedicated games console. http://www.worldtvpc.com/bl... It's no secret that Kinect is really all they focus on now and that the majority of their next gen launch lineup WILL BE KINECT. You are in denial of you think otherwise.

"supporting PS3 so late could mean a less then stellar launch lineup for the PS4, sort of like the PS3's lackluster lineup."

How so exactly? You got Naughty Dog team # 2, Guerilla Games, Sony Santa Monica (Not the team working on God of War Ascension), Polyphony Digital, Sony Bend Studios, and Evolution Studios rumored to be working on next gen. And not to mention those studios don't focus on making crappy Motion controlled games, small PSN downloadables, mobile games etc. But ACTUAL AAA experiences. And PS3's lacklister launch line up more had to do with Sony expecting more third party support from the start, not lack of 1st party dev support. Get your facts straight bro.

"And you think Kinect games sell because Microsoft properly advertises?"

Advertisements? Yes. Quality? No.

"Would Sony's lack of sales be because they suck at advertising?"

I thought that was already established. lmao. Twisted Metal and Starhawk both didn't sell too well because of lack of ADS, but they turned out to actually be decent games with their 76 and 77 metacritic score. Did Kinect Star Wars sell because of quality? hahah, with it's score of 55, I don't think so. More has to do with advertising. Even Fable: The Journey was crap with it's 60 but I'm pretty sure it will sell well because of ADS, not quality.

"As for the "quality" new IP's Sony creates, some are good, but people aren't really buying them. They buy GT, Uncharted, God Of War and they used to buy Resistance."

Really? You really think Beyond: Two Souls won't sell? Especially with people knowing that Quantic Dream is behind it? lol. You also don't think The Last Of Us won't sell either? You must be delusional bro. Like I said before, Sony's new IP's don't need to sell 5 million + to be successful. Just enough to make some profit for their PlayStation brand and to warrant either a sequel or a new IP.
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srcBFMVBMTH  +   720d ago
Holy crap, that's a pretty big wall of text. haha
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   720d ago
lol @ srcBFMVBMTH making sense and chunky clicking the 'disagree' which comes from someone who stated "Disagrees just mean insecure fanboys here on N4G." Yet you clicked disagree.

LOL!
SlavisH2  +   720d ago
sony having a alternative to the wiimote, wiiu gamepad, and Kinect will put them in the best position to say to the consumer we offer all that in MORE, DAMN!
srcBFMVBMTH  +   720d ago
As long as they don't focus on it like Microsoft does with Kinect and the casual crowd (Pushing out tons and tons of Kinect shovelware and only releasing like 1 or 2 quality core titles a year).

Then I really don't care. lol
Soldierone  +   720d ago
All they need is an HD camera that has better face tracking in it. Based on Sony's own products, that won't be hard at all.

PS Eye already did everything Kinect did a generation ahead of time. Sure Kinect has some improvements, thats called innovating, and I'm sure Sony will improve their own product as well.
BitbyDeath  +   720d ago
I'd still rather they go the VR/AR route
josephayal  +   720d ago
Different things make kinect fun and unique
YES, coz Kinect Redefined the Gaming Industry and the World Of Electronic Gaming
SolidDuck  +   720d ago
Hell no. Name me one really good kinect that isn't a party or dancing game. U can't cause there is none. My next gen console will not have motion gaming. I won't buy one that does. If ms and Sony go motion ill go wii u.
Lol sony makes eye toy , MS rewrites eye toy and make kinect & now sony must rewrite kinect? some nerve..
jghvhv  +   720d ago
I'd rather just sit on my arse to play games.
Grenade  +   720d ago
That's the best way to play games.
Keep that motion junk out.
GreenRanger  +   720d ago
Am i the only one here who just wants a normal controller for next gen consoles?
No extra screens, no sensors, no cameras, just a good, dependable old fashioned controller.

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Grenade  +   720d ago
Well said, +1.
Nice to see that real gamers still exist.
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Knight_Crawler  +   720d ago
You know my grandfather said the same thing about black and white tv's going to color and my dad said the same thing about Blu Rays replacing DVD's.

As software technology progresses so does the hardware...can you imagine if game controllers were still 2 buttons with cords no rumble?

I am not saying to get rid of controllers completely but after 6 years of the same controller I really hope MS and Sony change up the controllers for the 720 and PS4.

The below vids show some good ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
jghvhv  +   720d ago
I don't mind if they change the controllers.I just don't like cameras like Kinect.I just want to press a button to reload my gun,not do six cartwheels and backflip.
Knight_Crawler  +   720d ago
I do not think controllers are going anywhere any tome soon.

Kinect is optional and I like the fact that I can pick up my 360 controller and play some Gears or play some Kinectimal with my 5 year old kid...if Idid not have Kinect we would not be able to game together because he does not understand the 360 controller.

The key word here is optional.
BitbyDeath  +   720d ago
I don't mind changing up controllers but i hate touch screens.

Don't like it on phones, don't like it on handhelds. They needa go.
madjedi  +   719d ago
Some people think a console should designed around the controller/motion controls and forget that move, kinect, wiimote/pad is nothing more than a extra tool to play games with.

I see no real reason to drastically modify the ds3 or 360 controller they still perform their functions good enough.

Although i would state redesign the horrible d pad and stick a lithium ion battery like the ds3 has, but this is really just nitpicking on my part.

It's telling that several of nintendo's own titles either used the wii mote sparingly/just enough or not at all in some cases.

Most importantly the controller is basically useless without good games to use it on
hkgamer  +   720d ago
errrmm.. yes it does and it probably will.

PS2 had eyetoy
PS3 had playstation eye
PS4 will have a better camera with better functions.

camera technology such as facial recognition, eye tracking, motion detection is improving every single day and in a few years time maybe a tiny little cheap camera which works a few times quicker and more efficient than kinect
DivineAssault  +   720d ago
as long as its not a major focus, i dont care.. Keep that mess for the casuals.. ill stick with a revamped dual shock 4, beastly hardware, & an improved network..
BuffMordecai  +   720d ago
Kinect sucks balls, I don't want Sony following in the footsteps of that massive failure.
PirateThom  +   720d ago
Yeah, nothing like investing money in a control method that doesn't work.
Rhezin  +   720d ago
no more motion gaming dammit!

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