Submitted by urgentfury 1052d ago | news

Microsoft Rocks the lives of Youtube Partners and other services with new rules

In an updated release of rules, Microsoft addresses the many users out there that make money by creating videos or live streaming their game content.

"But enrolling in the Youtube partner program (or other similar programs), where you are entering into an agreement to get paid, is not allowed." (Microsoft, Xbox 360)

Update As posted by Stinkles on NeoGAF

"As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc.

The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.

We'll put together some language that will help community people navigate this easily, and give people workarounds."

We have responded to this in the blog post

We have added an additional update to the blog including the previous wording that did not specifically mention YouTube Partner Programs or similar service. We went back through all of 2011. This is the first time the legal terms specifically mention this.

tallkidoPL  +   1052d ago
Twitch will explode even more now
Blaze929  +   1052d ago
I think the whole gaming industry will, because doesn't this apply to websites like IGN, Gamespot, and especially Gametrailers? Just gonna have them stop doing Microsoft published videos?...unless of course, cheek turned for the "big sites"
da_2pacalypse  +   1052d ago
Forget that... what about big companies that rely on this such as Roosterteeth? I mean, Roosterteeth has basically helped M$ for so many years, I'd like to see if M$ is really going to take a dump on them like this...

TheRealSpy  +   1051d ago
First of all, Rooster Teeth and MS work hand in hand and MS sponsors a lot of what they do. So no, RT is not going to be affected by this.

Second, isn't it time people stop being 12 and acting like MS is some evil corporation? calling them "M$" is extremely childish.

Third, don't you think it would be wise to actually read the user agreement before jumping off the handle and making absurd assumptions?
doogiebear  +   1051d ago
They should stop running MS ads and double up on Nintendo and PS ads. Hit MS in the only way they care, in the pocket.
dogoodmatters  +   1051d ago
They rely on those sites for the 10 out of 10s.
sikbeta  +   1051d ago
OH! MS you so evil because running a business to get moniez! ... come on people...
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ALLWRONG  +   1051d ago
Slow news? You Sony guys running out of ways to complain about MS?

This is just old news being rehashed for the N4G anti MS train. You guys should fact check before you comment.
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extermin8or  +   1051d ago
I suspect reasonable journalism is ok, besides the big sites have their own video players etc they just wont upload them to youtube aswell... at least no their studio made walkthroughs and the such and you'd probably have to link the videos directly to them receiving money but they'd be paid even if they didn't upload the footage to youtube so how can it be proved they received money for the video?
Grap  +   1052d ago
all games have these terms. even call of duty"who has youtube upload in it". the thing is these type of rules aren't active... well not yet. u won't see microsoft or sony sue over this
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fatstarr  +   1051d ago
Course: how to loose Profit and Exposure 370
Professor: Microsoft
TA: Xbox live team
Saturne3  +   1052d ago
wow the machinima guys are going to be pissed unless they have a special contract or something like it.
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TOGC  +   1052d ago
They most likely do.
Blaze929  +   1052d ago
Seeing as they are promoting the HECK out of Halo 4 with their original series, even the CEOs at Machinima must be pissed
NoFanboyRequired  +   1052d ago
Pretty sure they have a deal with MSFT as they have Red vs Blue dvds in most stores.

Was looking at movies at bestbuy and came across one of the dvds. Was quite surprised actually lol.
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WildStyles  +   1052d ago
Completely retarded. The Youtube commentators essentially help these companies with advertising. Whether it be a huge hyped up game or a small one, they definitely help increase the visibility of games.

This move just screams greedy. I'm not even surprised Microsoft is the first company to implement this lame move.
Saturne3  +   1052d ago
Well for one thing this will help out to bring out the real passionate gamers not the ones that are just there for the money.
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WildStyles  +   1052d ago
Who cares if these commentators are there for the money? They're still promoting games for these companies free of cost. Cutting off an advertising avenue is retarded.

Plus, whatever money the commentators receive doesn't even stack up to the amount of money Microsoft will eventually rake in from Halo sales. It's literally chump change in comparison.
SilentNegotiator  +   1052d ago
Once they start attacking users, we get less commentary and walkthroughs.

And what do commentators REALLY make on Youtube? $20 for every 5 million hits or something? No one, not even big organized companies are getting rich from Youtube game videos.
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pulsuhundur  +   1051d ago

Actually, they make 2.5 dollars per 1000 views. So if they're really popular, like UberHaxorNova, they're actually quite wealthy.
maniacmayhem  +   1052d ago
Read the update, this has been around forever and doesn't necessarily apply to actual users.
I'm pretty sure every big company has something like this, even Sony or Nintendo.
1nsaint  +   1051d ago
That's why i love mojang, they actually have it in their user agreement that anyone can make money by showing of minecraft content.

I think even activision has a similar agreement for cod video's
yewles1  +   1052d ago
Nothing new, it's just not profiting off of software you didn't make due to EULA being enforced by DMCA... running amok, that is.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1052d ago
amok run...........good song by kreator.

has nothing to do with your comment, just reminded me of the song when i seen that lol
unchartedxplorer  +   1052d ago
I wonder what rooster teeth are going to do now.
matt1991  +   1052d ago
I think roosterteeth has a contract with microsoft. Plus roosterteeth does more the RvB.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1052d ago
it makes perfect sense. its basically just saying you cant profit off their property.
edgeofsins  +   1051d ago
Maybe for cutscene kind of stuff because it is, in a way, like uploading movie scenes. But, for regular gameplay like in online matches I don't see why they would take those videos down. It promotes people to play the games more and the viewers to go out and buy the game. Plus the bigger youtube video gamers tend to do giveaways of games that they are going to play when they come out. I read an article not too long ago that Microsoft isn't run by gamers. I already knew that much. Plus they make bad business decisions and this is a bad decision for business. I can't believe how lucky they are. They can screw up over and over and can screw their customers over but they still get a crap load of support.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1051d ago
yeah but if someone uploads a video and then gets paid for it they are profiting off ms's property. technically speaking ms could just start releasing those exact gameplay videos and get paid for them as well and by restricting people from doing so that means no competition. if they arent planning on doing walkthrough videos or gameplay vids just to show off the game and just sit on this restriction then they are idiots and are losing free press. if they do plan to act on it though, its a good business move
3GenGames  +   1051d ago
MS owns their video? In what world?!

If you make a photo with photoshop, does adobe own it?
WeskerChildReborned  +   1052d ago
Doesn't bother me, i play PS3 but it does suck.
Knight_Crawler  +   1052d ago
Lol...your going to get mad disagrees becuase you worded your comment wrong.

You made it seem like you play PS3 put it sucks :P

-1 bubble for your comment.

Edit: I am pretty sure you intended to say " This does not bother me as I play PS3 but this does suck for 360 users"
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WeskerChildReborned  +   1052d ago
I mean the situation sucks and you are correct.
kane_1371  +   1051d ago
Run along you troll!
Your 1 minute of fame came and went flying out of window.
Not everybody on this website are ignorant people.
It was clear what he said, you are just trying to fish some attention for yourself.

At the end of the day he got 12 disagrees, obviously since in a Xbox related topic he named ps3.
whoyouwit04  +   1052d ago
I do agree with this in a way, but the way I look at it is this was free advertising, sure the uploader got paid but MS didn't pay them but I do understand them not wanting to people making money off their product.
CandyCaptain  +   1052d ago
This really only nails the Red vs. Blue guys doesn't it?
Ben_Grimm  +   1052d ago
I was thinking the same thing.
urgentfury  +   1052d ago
If you read the rules directly any partner program that you get paid for is not allowed, this includes sites like YouTube, Twitch, BlipTV and even you own website
edgeofsins  +   1051d ago
Bungie loves Red VS. Blue and promoted it. I can't believe people still support Microsoft. They don't care at all about customers. They strictly want money and just that. Nintendo and Sony obviously do it for the money but they actually have passion to please fans and take some sort of feedback from fans to try and adjust things.
ChunkyLover53  +   1052d ago
According to the update, these are the rules that have been in effect for a while now.

As posted by Stinkles on NeoGAF

"As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc.

The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.
Majin-vegeta  +   1052d ago
@Wildstyles actually EA was the first one to start this not M$.Look at the date on this video.
DFresh  +   1052d ago
It's just like I predicted more control and less freedom over the products that you own.
I like watching You Tube gaming commentators and if they suffer I lose my entertainment all because some company wanted more profit.
Things are not looking good for gaming.
maniacmayhem  +   1052d ago
Calm down DFresh, everything is still cool.
Beastforlifenoob  +   1051d ago
are you high maniacmayhem?
tallkidoPL  +   1052d ago
Ok so move along people everything is fine
AD705  +   1052d ago
So i need MS permission to put halo 4 related content on youtube?
GraveLord  +   1052d ago
Looks like this could be the nail in the coffin for Halo.
This means a lot less people are going to be uploading videos to Youtube(since they can't monetize them).

What is MS thinking?

No. You can still upload Halo videos, you just can't make money from them. Although since Microsoft does own Halo, you could get copyright strikes on your account whenever MS feels like it. So unless you are Machinima, you are screwed.
CaptainPunch  +   1051d ago
"Once they start attacking users, we get less commentary and walkthroughs.

And what do commentators REALLY make on Youtube? $20 for every 5 million hits or something? No one, not even big organized companies are getting rich from Youtube game videos."

That's completely ignorant. As a YouTube partner I can tell you that you can earn a decent amount of money. There's people who make a living posting gaming videos on YouTube. Also most partners are under a network, i.e. Machinima, The Game Station, IGN, etc. These networks have permission from most publishers to post their games.

Also this video is worth checking out, for people that are worried about this.

Related video
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kornbeaner  +   1051d ago
Well I guess I won't even try to expand my channel to anything Microsoft related. My most popular video by far was an unboxing for the Uncharted 3 bundle last year and I was thinking of expanding into other companies this February, but if Microsoft will prevent me from making a little side cash on my work, which is essentially free advertising for them, I will focus on other companies that don't have a problem with it.
Sunk  +   1051d ago
These rules have always been in place. Someone just happened to read the small print.

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urgentfury  +   1051d ago
Actually we just did another update, this is a major revision to the previous terms:

"Previous language:

Except as described here, you can’t sell or otherwise earn any compensation from your Item, including through advertisements in the Item. We will let you have advertising or optional donation requests on the page hosting the Item, but that’s it. That means you can’t sell your Item, post it on a site that requires subscription or other fees, or post it on a page you use to sell other items or services (even if they have nothing to do with Game Content or Microsoft). You may use the Item to enter a contest or sweepstakes as long as the contest organizers agree to follow these rules. Where someone is trying to promote their commercial venture (even just a commercial website) with your Item, they need our permission to do this. If they’ve got our permission you’ll know. Source web.archive.org"
Straightupbeastly  +   1051d ago
This is good news, hopefully Activision follows. Tired of these scumbags getting paid off a game and from a website they haven't invested in. It's robbery.
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aiBreeze  +   1051d ago
I hope this doesn't effect the community overall too much. There are tons of people who make quality videos on youtube for a lot of these games.. sure they do it for fun but if they can get a modest amount of money for all their hard work, why not? Are they profiting from someone elses IP? Sure but they are taking that IP and helping it become so much more and that someone else is also benefiting from these video makers.
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Smashbro29  +   1051d ago
Good thing no one's sent me any of these to play, I'd hate to have to trash the videos.
aiBreeze  +   1051d ago
Yeah the majority of the games listed won't get videos anyway, only Halo and possibly Forza out of that list.
Smashbro29  +   1051d ago
In response to your last comment: Considering my last game was The Golden Compass on PS3, I'd say anything is possible.
Ve3tro  +   1051d ago
That's why you get license agreements.
tigertron  +   1051d ago
As far as I'm concerned, streaming games/uploading walkthroughs etc is free advertising for Microsoft. They should embrace it.
CYBERHATER  +   1051d ago
See this is a good example of what is wrong with console gaming today. On disc DLC, 60 dollar addons, Horrible sequels, Online Passes, limited storage, old graphics, no cross gameplay, exclusives, and now they want to tell you what to do on You Tube. WTF!!! is wrong with these greedy #@* companies!!! This is why I am a PC gamer and could care less if HALO 2000 comes out! Sooner or later all of you XBOX & PS3 fanboys will learn to ditch your consoles.
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Ben_Grimm  +   1051d ago
Funny how nobody reads the fine print. And even funnier how the posers here on N4G are over reacting to something that has been around probably since the beginning.

Read the update people!
ONI5  +   1051d ago
These rules have been in effect since Halo 1. Nothing new.

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