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Submitted by dazzrazz 1224d ago | news

Painting on wall of Modern Warfare 2 toilet upsets Muslims

"Activision's developers have aggravated the Muslim community by hanging a painting above a toilet in Modern Warfare 2.

The painting has holy teachings written around its frame. "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty," the text is reported to have read.

Apparently the presence of holy teachings in a place of number-ones and twos does not sit well with Islam. So Activision has pulled the Favela map out of rotation and will return it when edits have been made." (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Mr-Dude  +   1224d ago | Well said
Nothing new, they are always upset about something...

Now they are upset about a game, wich is like nearly 3 years old and a little picture WHO nobody looks at...

Talk about nitpicking...
MEsh3L  +   1224d ago
Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion, if you don't care about it then that's your problem !

I'm proud to be one of them :)
Yi-Long  +   1224d ago | Well said
A very VERY small portion of muslims gets upset about stuff like this...
... the vast majority just shrugs their shoulders.
MacDonagh  +   1224d ago | Well said
That's nice MEsh3L. You seem to be in favour of this editing out of a picture frame that nobody has spotted for 3 years because it offends your religion? If so, why is it okay to shoot people? Isn't it a bad idea to support a franchise that is borderline jingoistic?
bubblebeam  +   1224d ago | Well said

You can leave your beliefs to yourself. I'm not going to start bad mouthing youre religion, that is YOUR own personal choice, but this is too far.

The way I see it, is this game was made in a non-muslim country, so its YOUR PROBLEM.

I am not religious by the way. How would everyone like it if you got fined for using the Christians name in vain? Or for making a joke about Jewish people?

Again, not religious, not trying to single you out, but to me it seems Muslims are too sensitive. Very pushy. Imagine if Christians, Buddhists, Jewish people started riots and killed INNOCENT PEOPLE over small things. I know this is on a smaller scale, but this in violation of freedom of speech and expression.

Don't like it? Too bad.
Hellsvacancy  +   1224d ago
Muslims a picture frame

Wow, thats incredible, its ok to simulate killing, but no ok to put a picture in the bathroom

"Why so sensitive?"
FunAndGun  +   1224d ago | Well said
How does it hurt their religion?

If you are strong in your religion, it shouldn't matter what anyone around you thinks about it or says about it.

What a tragic life to always be on the edge of throwing a temper tantrum because someone offends something you believe in; how exhausting.
bloodybutcher  +   1224d ago
so it upsets your religion by having positive things written on the frame?ok,ok...
@ bubblebeam: sooo,do you think Christians never killed innocent people over sth small,eh?:)
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mewhy32  +   1224d ago
Wow. I think that this "offended" muslim thing is getting waaaaaaaaaay out of hand. If you're offended by a game then......don't buy it..Wow there's a novel idea. Boycott it. Don't kill people and blow shit up!!! We don't live in the 3rd century anymore this kind of behavior is not acceptable the world over. If They want people to come to their religion then I can safely say that they're turning the entire non-muslim world population against them. Tolerance, peace,love, what happened to those teachings??????????????????
nix  +   1224d ago
man.. i hate these extremist... you'll find them in every religion. hindu, muslim, christian. haven't heard of buddhist extremists yet...
NewMonday  +   1224d ago | Well said
why would a developer go thru the pain of digitally draw religious text hide it in a frame and then put it in a toilet

who puts a framed painting in a toilet anyway


it's not gaming but episodes of the Anime Harlock had to be redrawn because the bad guys had a symbol resembling the star of David

anyone gets upset if something they care about is offended, and others don't care because it doesn't matter to them, unless they value the idea of mutual respect
Septic  +   1224d ago

Of course Muslims have a right to feel upset. Who you are to suggest that they shouldn't be? Sad to see your silly blanket statement getting 31 agrees.

" a little picture WHO nobody looks at..."

Obviously someone looked at the pic, hence the complaint. And its a complaint that has been brought to IW's attention.

Incidentally, the Witcher 2 also had an Islamic painting, in a brothel..... kind of makes you wonder. The developers did release an update as soon as this was brought to their attention.

Respect to IW for working on this.

Funnily enough, my mates and I were playing MW2 yesterday and were wondering why Favela wasn't coming up.


Who says they are extremists? Muslims complained because they have every right to do so. Also, you have never heard of extremist Buddhists? Maybe you should draw your attention to the spate of Muslim killings amounting to genocide in Burma that have been occurring as recently as two months ago.

This shouldn't have happened in the first place but at least IW are working on it.
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Razmossis  +   1224d ago
"Peace out" ?

Ironic, lol
MikeMyers  +   1224d ago
The painting has holy teachings written around its frame. "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty,"

How is that offensive?

I'm sure if there was a stack of Playboy magazines by the toilet someone would complain about that too.
omi25p  +   1224d ago
A picture tells a thousand words.

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doogiebear  +   1224d ago | Well said
@ Mesh3l:

The West should withdraw every facet of it's civilized world, away from the muslims. In fact, Democracy is considered evil according to Islam, because it is not compliant with Sharia Law (The law of the Koran which considers all other forms of government as "man-made", which is forbiden by muslims). We (Westerners) should no longer allow our citizens to create businesses there, block all of our websites from running in the mid east, ban the export of any and all of our products and art forms (books, films, games, etc), and no longer rely on your oil. Those strong sanctions alone will have the entire middle east in a frenzy. Want to live in the dark ages? By all means! The West cant offend your people if your people have no means of interraction with our country, art forms, or media (even online). Yes, make your own N4G websites too. Make your own videogames. Enjoy. Israel had recently discovered that it had enough Shale Oil in the West Bank to make even Saudie Arabia's supply look like a kiddie pool. So when the West decides to turn off the lights of the Middle Eastern Muslim community, THEN you will wish things were as the way they were before. Even now, there is mass rioting in Iran because of the sanctions we imposed there. In just the last 2 weeks, the price of food rose so astronomically that people cant afford milk and chicken in Iran. The Iranian banks are in a frenzy, and the Iranian currency inthat 2 weeks fell to a great low. But you muslims should celebrate!! This is what you wanted right? Now you can all live in a world of your own totalitarian rules, where no westerner can ever upset you again or your dead "prophet". Enjoy the sanctions.
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anticooper  +   1224d ago
how can a picture in a game hurt your religion, thats just crazy talk imo. Peace:-)

Septic:you upset me, can you please erase your n4g profil?
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guitarded77  +   1224d ago
Insulted Muslims insult my belief in free speech and artistic expression, yet I don't cry about it.
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gta2800  +   1224d ago | Well said
"Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion"

Oh is that a fact? Then why don't they get angry with all all those Muslim extremists who strap bombs to them selves and kill innocent people in the name of Islam? I never see any any type of protests or outrage when that happens. But the second someone makes a joke about Mohammed or Allah they want someones blood. The extremists is who they should be angry with. It's those people who make Islam look bad.
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Septic  +   1224d ago | Well said

What a load of complete nonsense you've typed out. I hope that all your agrees are from multiple accounts as opposed to the sentiment on here because if it is the latter, then it is a sad reflection on the community that comprises n4g.

Democracy is considered evil because of non-compliance with Islam? Where do you get this nonsense? Do you know that Islamic Law MANDATES Muslims to follow the rule of law in non-muslim countries (unless there is a gross breach which prevents you from practicing Islam).

You then cite so-called Israeli oil reserves as a sign of hope? What a laughable statement even if it is true. You think Israel, a state that constantly flouts UN law and breaches human rights heart will be a great partner? Complete nonsense.

You make uneducated assumptions about Muslims and then purport to make it seem as if Muslims are preventing freedom of speech? Hold on a minute; you used Israel in a positive light- what about the fact that merely expressing Holocaust denial is a criminal act in Israel? What about several European countries that prevent it on the grounds of anti-semitism? But oh no, if Muslims dare protest, freedom of speech trumps their hurt feelings right? Complete hypocrisy and double standards. (I don't deny the events of the Holocaust before another bigot on here tries to make that point).

What has landed the biggest trouble? The Banking System. For those people of understanding and knowledge, they will know where the true origins of the system lie and how stupid your statements are. Look for former President Andrew Jackson's famous statement on the matter to understand.


"Oh is that a fact? Then why don't they get angry with all all those Muslim extremists who strap bombs to them selves and kill innocent people in the name of Islam? "

Are you stupid? Who have died more as a result of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings? Muslims or Non-Muslims? Answer that question. These terrorists are even attacking Muslims praying in mosques.

There are 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. Where has there been a protest against terrorism in general? There hasn't because terrorism is so clearly abhorrent and wrong. The vast majority of Muslims are law abiding citizens. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigot and an un-educated fool. But have you even bothered to try and research Muslim sentiments or are you content with swallowing whatever nonsense Fox News feed you? There have been a MULTITUDE of lectures and debates held against terrorism and the like. What is the biggest Islamic channel called? Peace TV.

Its sad to see what kind of moronic sentiments are being posted on here and agreed with. Ironically, it goes to show these people's lack of tolerance and understanding.
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PurpHerbison  +   1224d ago
This is why religion is counter productive.
Awesome_Gamer  +   1224d ago | Well said
I'm a practising muslim, and i don't care to be honest, it's just a video game..
lastdual  +   1224d ago | Well said

I agree that the majority of Muslims are not extremists, but the moderates could definitely do a better job of putting the radical elements in their place.

Radical Christian groups such as the Westboro Baptist Church get routinely ridiculed and marginalized by mainstream Christians. If moderate Muslims want to be taken seriously, they need to do the same.

Moreover, Islamic nations need to embrace freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of the press. Any modern nation still having laws against blasphemy and apostacy is just plain absurd.
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TopDudeMan  +   1224d ago
I don't get it, how is that offensive? Maybe the fictional man who fictionally owns that house likes to fictionally sit on the toilet and fictionally reflect on the teachings of his faith.

Is that not his right to hang up a religious painting in his own bathroom?
Ares84HU  +   1224d ago
Some people are so ignorant......
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DragonKnight  +   1224d ago
Has any of you who are "pro-complaints" ever considered the possibility that there are people out there who purposely go out of their way to look for stuff to complain about so that they can feel powerful when it gets removed due to racial, sexual, or religious insensitivity? I would bet REAL money that the person who found this is one of those people. Who honestly can get upset over stuff like this and call themselves a human? Seriously. You have nothing better to complain about than blurred writing in a video game that's 3 years old? Writing that it took you a concerted effort to actually find? Really? *sigh*
Thatlalala  +   1224d ago
The fact remains you can buy a Jesus bobblehead, a bong in the shape of Buddha, and nobody that follows those religions freak out. Then you expect the world to stop and change because of your religious beliefs? Get over it.
Christopher  +   1224d ago
***Muslims do get upset about these kind of things that hurt their religion***

While I understand being upset at how others may show disrespect for what you hold dear, their doing as such does not hurt one's religion.

American flags are burned every day by people who protest against soldiers and they feel pain over it as it is a symbol for the country they fight to defend as best as they can, but the mass majority of them know that burning one flag doesn't change who they are, what they do, or why they do it (it actually empowers them).

Bibles and crosses are burned all the time, and is very often portrayed in movies, but that doesn't change one's faith or believe in God (or the Holy Trinity).

The problem with some people is that they believe that everyone should follow their religious tenets and that if anyone doesn't that they are personally ridiculing them, their religion, and that it somehow changes their belief. It's not so. That's akin to saying that if someone eats your birthday cake, you don't get to grow up.

Edit: I would like to note that I did chuckle when the person in the video said that "millions of people" were offended by this. I find that extremely hard to believe. It's the same hyperbole that religious fanatics use to try and turn an ant hill into a mountain. I support his claim that it is disrespectful, I support his right to demand an apology, and his right to make the video. I also support Activision's right to not have to respond to it or apologize for it.
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LAZL0-Panaflex  +   1224d ago are the man! Bubbles +
knowyourstuff  +   1224d ago
I've seen the painting, there's no writing on it, it's all pixellated.

Besides, if a painting on a wall offends you, you've got some serious mental issues. As previously stated most sane muslims couldn't care less.
Dee_91  +   1224d ago
how about u not play the game .. your religious you shouldnt be playing this game anyway.
eh what ever
as long as they are bringing it back I thought it was gone for good.

It is weird that IW put that in there tho...
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MEsh3L  +   1224d ago
thank you for your kind replies guys ... but you are missing the point ...!
the holy teachings are written in a bathroom that's all i'm talking about.

you want to tell me it's not meant to be like that ? com'n, islam is always targeted in every way possible .even in a game !!

I'm not perfect and no one is , we can get upset about it and send a message to IW to fix it , this is democracy :)

Read Read Read about islam " the real islam " don't just insult Muslims like that .

are you following Jesus and Moses teachings ? then you are one step closer to islam .

thank you again
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mt  +   1224d ago
be proud MEsh3L that is how Muslims be, always protect your religion.
others religion don't care about their religion if you ask me some people just under a religion by a name only and they know noting about that religion.
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Septic  +   1224d ago | Well said
I'm actually genuinely disappointed by the reaction and sentiments by many on here.

It is so ironic that you are critiquing Muslims for their so-called intolerance and then a cursory glance at the comments on here show a complete lack of understanding and hate filled vitriol loosely dressed up as logic. ANd all this this has arisen from one, or a handful of users who merely brought IW's insensitive handling of of a subject matter to their attention.

The poor chap who made the featured video even says that it wasn't his intention to get the map removed- he (like myself) wanted clarification as to why the picture with Islamic wording is placed SPECIFICALLY above a toilet. Is this just a horrible mistake?

And its shocking to see people like donbear get mass agrees and bubbled up- have you read his other posts below? If anything, those are bordering on fanatical Christian musings- this chap is talking about how Muslims should get out of the West, how everyone should sever ties with Muslims and translating Biblical scriptures with his own silly interpretations insulting Muslims. Honestly, who are the ones making the knee jerk reactions now?

THIS is precisely the kind of ignorance and hatred that led to the persecution of the Jews during WW2.

Look at it again- its just a video of a gamer saying he's disappointed in IW's poor placement of Islamic references (which doesn't even make any contextual sense in a Favela anyway).

People saying things like 'they are always upset about something' just goes to show how little these people know/interact with Muslims.

No one is rioting over this, no one is screaming asking for blood to split. We're just disappointed that's all. Yet many on here are agreeing with and making stupid bigoted statements that generalise about a big chunk of the human populace. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

And laughably, people always comment on here critiquing COD players for being racist and intolerant bigots- yet over here, for an issue that affects Muslims and has been peacefully brought to the attention of the developers, many on here are making sweeping statements and generalising on the Muslim populace. But you know what, you're all right- how dare Muslims feel upset about this right?

Its a sad day for N4G- the kind of ignorance and intolerance shown on here is ironically similar to the ones the Muslim minority displayed over that stupid Youtube video.

Anyway- Salaam to all. It means 'peace' by the way so pitchforks down.
SilentNegotiator  +   1224d ago
So.....religious scripture is offensive if it's written on a painting in a virtual bathroom?

I can't understand the logic at all. Probably because there is none involved.
TheoreticalParticle  +   1224d ago
omi25p: "A picture tells a thousand words."

And some of those words are lies. Einstein wasn't an atheist.

"You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

Nor was Lincoln, nor Ben Franklin, nor Thomas Jefferson.

Just because they weren't Christian doesn't automatically make them atheists.
guitarded77  +   1224d ago
@ MEsh3L

If you are offended, then have a personal boycott against IW, but I stand by my above comment, of freedom of speech and artistic expression. I will respect your right to have your religion, but people in general are not required to respect yours or others religion. You have the right to be offended, but others have the right to not care that you're offended. Many of us are sick of seeing innocents killed by people which are offended by every little thing. The person in the video sounds like a zealot, and that kind of over emotional zeal can be very dangerous among those who grow bitter over time. We don't have to like everything that people say or do, but as long as someone is not taking away our civil rights, there isn't too much to get in a fuss about.
AngryTypingGuy  +   1224d ago
Colin Quinn had the best line about Muslims: "Don't let a few million bad apples spoil the whole bunch".

Supposedly, Islam is a peaceful religion. Now I do know some Muslims personally, and they are wonderful people. However there seems to be a large percentage of people who practice the religion whose mentality are stuck in the middle ages. I'm sorry but Sharia Law is outdated and barbaric.
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AsimLeonheart  +   1224d ago
Hey guys, stop arguing and fighting especially my Muslim brothers. I am a Muslim as well and any practising Muslim will feel bad about that picture in the bathroom because we do not hang verses of sacred scriptures in bathroom. It is considered disrespectful to read or display religious texts in a toilet. Cultures and people are different and when different people live together they have to care for each other if they want to co-exist. All the nations and cultures are part of a global community just like any local neighbourhood community. When people live in communities they show mutual respect and concern for each other's physical and emotional well-being. Such a community cannot survive where its members consistently hurt or offend each other. Dont you guys care for each other's feelings and well-being in your local neighbourhoods and communities? Sometimes even if you hate someone you cannot say it outright because of the backlash. Can you call your neighbour or someone passing by a motherfxxcker or axxhole in the name of freedom of speech without getting punched in the face or at least getting an angry response? The same goes on a global and international scale. Each nation and culture has its own set of likes and dislikes and if nations want to co-exist and benefit from each other then they have to respect and care for each other. Things do not work out between two people when one keeps offending the other.
All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. It does not means mocking, ridiculing or offending others. Such a use is actually an abuse of the right of freedom of speech and it is not productive in any way except for having some cheap short-term fun or gratification. In the long term such insensitivity, arrogance and lack of concern only leads to straining of relationships and disruption of peace. I have tried to explain rationally and politely so I hope at least some people understand. We Muslims do not hate "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) especially the Christians. Allah says in the Holy Quran that Muslims will find Christians to be friendlier towards Muslims as compared to other nations. Even the term used "People of the Book" is kind of respectful. The problem is that very few Muslims actually read or study Islam, Quran and Hadith so they do not know what God has told them to do and how to behave. They just act and behave based on their personal opinions or on the preachings of corrupt or illiterate clerics who do not even themselves know the religion in detail. Sometimes they twist the meaning of sacred scriptures and at other times they just ignore doctrines that are not in line with their own preconceptions just to maintain their loyal following and position of power. Moreover, there are a lot of false rumours and lies going around about Muslims and Islam which cause hate among foreign nations like we beat our wives, or kill rape victims or oppress women. On the contrary, some time back in my neigborhood, an angry wife was throwing bricks at her husband and the poor guy was just like "Honey wait, honey listen." Everyone in the neighbourhood was trying to calm her down and help the poor husband. LOL! The fact is stranger than fiction or rumours/news in the case of Muslims. I really want non-Muslims to understand Islam and Muslims. I would be so glad to explain anything about Islam if someone asked with an honest and serious intention.
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snp  +   1223d ago
All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. It does not means mocking, ridiculing or offending others.

Wrong. It absolutely means mocking, ridiculing and offending others are on as well. Of course, there's cause and effect - if you're doing these things to someone intellectually or otherwise incapable of a verbal response, you'll have to consider how they will likely respond. It doesn't mean these things are off the cards, though.

Not every useful development comes from polite people or polite situations. And not every internal challenge comes to an individual from another personality in the exact way they may want it to. To expect or demand it's so is childishness (of the individual, or the group). If you're easily stirred the trick is to look within and ask why you're nervous system is so vulnerable/shaky to externals (words). The more grown up it is - you are - the more genuinely firm in your beliefs you are (as opposed to externally theatrical you are) the less you'll rage at this stuff.

Work out what's holding you back. There's no good for a mass to be standing out on a beam over a gorge demanding the world - into perpetuity - create no 'strong winds' via free speech (or even soft winds). It's an outrageous demand, a uniquely childish demand, and an impractical one besides, especially with 6 billion people in the world - which means 6 billion personalities and ethical systems.

There's simply no way of muffling this many people so 'you' don't ever have to feel certain things (even if the demand wasn't self-evidently grotesque and destructive - to the freedom of others, and frankly to your own development).
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Kurylo3d  +   1223d ago
u know the problem with this is that its an insult to another culture. Its like running up to a black person and calling him a nigger and especting not to get punched in the face. Expecting him to honor your freedom of speech.

This is racism pure and simple. In the old days it acceptable to be racist toward black people. Now its just hidden away. But today its more exceptable to be racist and intolerant of muslims. Why? Because fox news and right wing biggots feel the need to bash anything that is not Christian. Its a sad fucking thing. It offends their culture.

I think the real question is... why the hell is this painting in a map like favela? Muslims don't even live in favela as far as I could tell. Wrong location on the planet. Seems to me that the artist who made this level did it purposely. So the real conversation shouldn't be "fuck the muslims and their need for respect" It should be "fuck the developer for allowing this shit". Im not a muslim either, and to be honest Jesus Christ would be ashamed of all these so called "Christians".

I can understand if in the story the guy who owned the house was racist against muslims, but this placement made no sense and had no value.. it was purely to be a dick and make a statement.
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Christopher  +   1223d ago
***All of the above explanation means that freedom of speech exists within a limit. Freedom of speech means the right to speak the truth or one's opinion. ***

Not in most countries, actually.
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Beastforlifenoob  +   1223d ago
I am muslim as well, but I dont care to be offended by something like this ESPECIALLY if it is in a game Like MW2 with people killing people, I wouldnt take offense to something so small. Also I wonder if this rule goes to the virtual aspect asweel (i.e no one technically poops there)
FriedGoat  +   1223d ago
Offending another culture? WHO CARES. This is OUR culture not theirs. If they don't like what we do, Don't play our games, don't come into our countries and tell us that we are wrong, If you don't like it, go home to your third world where you can happily kill eachother and live in blissful ignorance.
Kurt Russell  +   1223d ago
I'm sorry but religion should have sway on absolutely nothing... It should change nothing, if anything the religious should be sectioned under the mental health act, as to believe in any religion what-so-ever is completely preposterous and detrimental to society. You've got to be INSANE to believe in men in clouds and that other hocus pocus, whilst EVIDENCE has been formed to prove all of it a load of bollocks, and NO EVIDENCE has ever existed to prove it isn't.
WonderboyIII  +   1223d ago
I am a muslim too and to quote from a hadeeth and hide it in a picture frame is very intentional of a hate hidden in a high resolution gaming world. Now if I was a Jew I would call it antisemtism and move masses of media and legal powers against you, but I am not. I remember that the witcher 2 had a praying mat in a brothel as a texture. I spotted it and quitely sent them a message to fix it. They did in a patch. They have my respect. Nothing wrong with respect in both directions right?
AsimLeonheart  +   1223d ago
Did you even read the "productive" word?? How is pissing others off productive? You guys want the freedom to offend people, kill people and attack countries. You only think for yourselves, your pleasures and your needs. Cultural difference man... cultural difference. You guys are jut too self-centred, selfish, self-righteous and arrogant. We on the other hand are more concerned about what will happen to others because of our actions. Western cultures are individualistic and eastern cultures are collective. Keep in mind that people like you only last until they have the power because as long as they have power they piss everyone off and when they loose power they get crushed. Your arrogance is only because your nation is a superpower but it wont be forever. It will suffer the same fate as the Egyptian, Roman, Persian, Ottoman, Mongol and British empires. Because of your such behaviour you give rise to animosity among other cultures and that is why you people are called "ugly Americans" in the rest of the world.
snp  +   1223d ago
Did you even read the "productive" word?

An anarchists view of the word 'productive' differs from, say, a conservatives. There is no objective use of that word all 6 billion temprements on this world would agree upon. It's pointless.

Start trying to shoe-horn everyone to fit one mold under threat of violence from one or another group if topic x or y are approached, or approached in this or that way... we've got a serious problem.

How is pissing others off productive?

If nothing else its productive in terms of showing a very dark problem of just how easily offended some folks are and what lengths they'll go to once they've assumed this offense (offense can only be assumed). Job done. Next step is to find a fix for this arrested development. These folks who think the world outside their heads shouldn't be allowed to 'offend' them.

Honestly, personally i've got no interest in 'pissing off' anyone. But that's my choice. My nature. My voice. Nor am i easily 'pissed off' by others. I'm happy to say or hear anything in an world of open and free ideas - and any and every real world test for those ideas (be it pleasant or edgy).

Cultural difference man... cultural difference.

Nope, doesn't wash. If the world was completely disconnected, maybe.. But access to western developments of this past centuries necessitates respect and ownership of the values that come with those developments and made those developments possible.

Free speech is and has been essential in making our modern psychology/technology/lifestyl e - perks enjoyed by humans everywhere to varying extents.

I'll put all your other shots aside except to say that i'm not American. Nor am i religious or anti-religious for that matter. 'Culture' means little to me. If something is of value it can withstand any challenge/attack (however you want to frame it).

Whatever is real with stand, whatever isn't wont. There are many beautiful things that i'm sure can survive any test which would come under 'culture' (including Islamic). But they've gotta be able to stand on their own two feet.

I don't see Islamics, Christians, Atheists... I see humans. Life first, then humans.

The Madonna and the the Whore isn't a way of life to me or the epitome of male/female interactions. Frankly, it's a regressive psycho-sexual complex more in need of Freud than a shrine. Psychology - truth - trumps someone else's 'cultural' beliefs.

Some would see that statement as an 'attack' and demand it not be made. I see it as my truth, and i'm open to challenge.
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Death_Grin48  +   1222d ago
You're proud that your people kill each other every day for some dead messenger guy? You're proud that your people kill women because they don't do everything that they're told? You're proud that your people kill innocents to please their mighty ruler into bringing them to its magic fairy tale land with 70 slave virgins and be perverts forever? Sacred and peaceful enough...

It doesn't matter what your book says, it's how people use it to their liking. It's not sacred. The whole world is suffering because of your people. The idea of having them in my country, trying to change the way we live into their liking makes me sick.

There will never be world peace, but in order to have a better future, the idea of "Allah" either needs to go or stay in Egypt where it belongs.
Blastoise  +   1224d ago
I find it funny how the guy had to equip a sniper just to zoom into the blurred writing.

I've played this game since 2009 and I never noticed it. Seriously is this really that big a deal?

And on another note, where the heck do Infinity ward get these images from?!
jerethdagryphon  +   1224d ago
the immages quotes and all sorts are most likly aquired from the internet , it wouldnt have been done to offend anyone.

some art person was told they needed 100 paintings and frames for the game, so he found paintings shrunk them down applied filters and stuck them as a normal map over a group of polygons as seperate assets.

then the level designer makes the map and decorates it with props from the assets collection.

a picture of a tree in the bathroom ok, fair enough its relaxing right...

except he finds out down the line that the unique frame is actually religious text, he looks it up and finds its non offensive , say it said god loves us all, (christian references to avoid offence)... hes relieved because whatever it says is non offensive.

then some diligent person notices the picture and zoom in to have a closer look.... and here we are.
M_Prime  +   1224d ago
what gets me is he says he loves

MW1, MW2 and MW3, so he already bought the next game and played it. I am guessing he was bored and needed youtube hits.
FriedGoat  +   1223d ago
Guns offend me, we should take them out too.
chriski333   1224d ago | Offensive
doogiebear  +   1224d ago | Well said
Yeah i'm sick of the the fact that so many Islamic fundamentalists expect the west to bend over backwards for them everytime they get offended. But it is no surprise, seeing how they think they should be able to force the world to follow their own laws on religion (known as Sharia Law). Look up "Walid Shoebat Mark of the Beast" on youtube. If your a Christian, you'll be surprised by what you see. If your not, then you'll probably just think it's all nonsense. Either way, I just thought I'd put it out there.

It's not Islamophobia...It's Islamo-realism.
Yardie  +   1224d ago
Unfortunately, when they complain, companies do bend over backwards.

Comedy central bleeped out the prophet mohammed in a couple of south park episodes.

media molecule had to take down a positive muslim song in lbp.

and it seems infinity ward is editing this trivial detail.
doogiebear  +   1223d ago
This just in, from the religion of "peace":

Today, a 14 year old was shot in the head because muslims were offended that she was advocating for education rights of little girls. Then a statement was released by the villains, saying that the fact that she is secular (non religious) was an added bonus as to why she was shot.

Since we're on the topic of things muslims get upset about, I thought I would share todays event. Meanwhile, in the Asian muslim Nation of Indonesia, a man was flogged (whipped harshly) because he was playing a game of dominoes. I wonder what would happen if they found out about these muslims playing video games (who also enjoy things that are forbidden in Islam: such as music, musical instruments, pork, sports, and non-Islamic complient politics--all of which can land one in jail, or even a death sentence).

This happened today. The link is below.

Kid shot in head:

Dominoes story:
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victoryscreeeeeech  +   1224d ago
They are just complaints.
gta2800  +   1224d ago
Complaints for now. Till the "Death to America" Radicals hear about this and it becomes the next excuse for them to burn American flags over and want some Americans head on a stick.
N4realGMRZ  +   1224d ago
I have been a Gamer for roughly 30 years. I am also a muslim...complaing about something like this is trivial, however i did play this and i did notice what they did...This is why Muslims get upset......its not because of what is on the painting...its because the people who put the painting exactly where it is knew it would be offensive....the insensitivity is what upsets muslims.....Muslims would never put any of the holy scriptures in a shit infested bathroom.......again its simply because these guys know its offensive but still decide to do it out of spite that upsets the muslims.....A good muslim though would simply shrug and shake his head....not fall into the anger trap they have spitefully created.....these images are absolutely trying to cause a hateful rift....the best way to voice our protest is by simply never buying there games if only killing arabs wasnt enough in all of these military crud games...Halo 4 it is.
DragonKnight  +   1224d ago
You really think that people who are spending millions of dollars and time to make games are going to purposely do something like this out of spite? Talk about arrogance. Have you considered the possibility that it was in fact a Muslim designer that did this? Have you considered that there are members of every religion in the world that can't stand the religion they are a part of? I suppose what I just said could lend credence to your argument that it was placed there out of spite, but I still maintain that that attitude is the height of arrogance. As if anyone actually cares enough to go through that kind of detail just to piss off some Muslim gamers. If they really wanted to do that, it would be far more obvious.
jerethdagryphon  +   1224d ago
first i have no issues with anyone of any religion.
however the idea of it being done delibertly to offend is unlikely

to prove that it was deliberate you would have to have the texture artist the map maker and the quality assurance all understand Islam to an fair extent and read arabic.

i dont read arabic when i saw that picture i did not see language i saw texture the painting is a small image with a canvas filter,

the people who make the levels have a set of assets. most bathrooms in homes have some sort of decoration to make things nice. they likly were told put up a few paintings to break up the walls.

no offense was intended im sure of it.

however because of media coverage and exposure company's and people will bend over backwards to avoid causing offense to Islamic people.

however i really dont think its done out of respect, i feel its more likely fear driving all of this pc nonsense.

expect people to show respect for your religion is fine, expecting them to know the ins and outs and make there lives businesses and policys conform for your faith is not,
N4realGMRZ  +   1224d ago
@ DragonKnight........Yes i do think it was placed there on purpose.....otherwise where was the last time u have seen any holy Scripture in a bathroom? of any religon or culture? about my arragonce im sorry you feel that way.....i am offended by it the same way you would be offended by something that is dare to may not understand our ofence because the same does not offend you for your religon but i ask u this....why should i accept your notion of not being offended just because u are not? every culture is different my friend.....what u may find offensive i may not and vise verse.....there is a simple solution to understnading people of other cultures....its respect.

@ jerethdaryphon maybe your right maybe this wasnt done delibrtly .....and i do agree it wasnt ment to offend anyone that doesnt understand arabic but for those who does......
DragonKnight  +   1224d ago
I wasn't calling you arrogant N4realGMRZ, I was calling the idea that someone (or many people) would take the time and money to hide an insult to the Islamic peoples of the world in a game arrogant. It doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry but it is a trivial thing to be upset about. Consider this, Allah is the omnipotent being those of the Islamic faith state created the universe and all things. Do you personally believe that an all-knowing and all-powerful being is concerned with a video game?

Here's another question. If someone walked up to you and said "I'm offended by the color black so kindly change your black shirt now." Are you telling me right here and now that you wouldn't find that to be a trivial, non-issue to be upset about? This "insult" went unnoticed for 3 years and took actual work to find. That says that someone was looking to be offended and was trying to exert power by claiming it was religiously insensitive. Not because of what was said, but because of where the painting was.

I will never understand how something like that, or something like having verses of the Quran in a LittleBigPlanet song can be insulting and offensive. When you see Christians buying those Jesus Bobbleheads mentioned here so they can put them in their car to celebrate their faith, do you ask why they aren't insulted by a Jesus Bobblehead?

The problem with taking offense to something like this is that the world takes offense to the smallest little things. It shows that you have too much time on your hands and a chip on your shoulder. If people would stop taking offense all the time, perhaps the human race would actually evolve.
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mantisimo  +   1224d ago
@ N4real

what utter twaddle you wrote "Yes i do think it was placed there on purpose.....otherwise where was the last time u have seen any holy Scripture in a bathroom? of any religon or culture?"

These are generic pictures seen throughout the game in many different places, all games repeat the images when needed and they will just have thought "OK the tree will look nice in the bathroom"

AND that is that. look at Uncharted 3 the same pictures crop up time and time again all over the world, they were just lucky they didn't choose a prerendered image of a muslim frame in the bathroom scene in their game!

Oh and Jesus lives on my bathroom wall I chat to him all the time, Sheesh!

You my friend have the intolerant racist attitude NOT the devs or the people disagreeing with you. Oh and this is not an alt account.
N4realGMRZ  +   1224d ago
@ DragonKnight, the Omnipontent Allah isnt offended is he the one having a conversation with you? no! lol so u ask me to take into consideration things about my faith....this is great i will take your self implied knowladge about islam into problem isnt what God think my friend but how....I feel about it a problem now to be offended by something? im guessing you dont feel bad when Inmature inconsiderate muslims burn the American Flag...but ofcourse u will denie this......and you will say Americans dont complain about it...even though the media always points it out...God has nothing to do with this conversation my freind it it what I consider know the same way Denying the holocust ever existed is offensive many....i find people delibrtly mocking my faith offensive.....u fail to understand this because u live in a bubble...where you can only think in the way u put things into contex.....silly really.

@ Mantisimo....this isnt an alternate account? lol ok buddy. You can talk to Jesus all you want in your bathroom...i have no problems with that it dosnt bother you so therefore it dosnt bother me i respect that....can you do the same? or do u live in the same bubble like DragonKNight? by the way now that being offended means i have become an intolerant racist. did i offend you to be called a racist? if so how? the hypocrisy here is whats intolerable.
DragonKnight  +   1224d ago
@N4realGMRZ: First, you should consider what Allah would or would not be offended by since he's your God. If He, an omnipotent being, has better things to think about than so should you. Second, I'm not American. Third, the American media is deliberately sensationalist to try and rile people up, it's not the same as the people getting upset on their own. Fourth, I never claimed any knowledge about your religion, I'm simply using common sense. Would you remove an article of clothing you are wearing because someone is offended by its color? The Holocaust is on a whole different level than what we're talking about. You can't compare Holocaust denial to pixelated and difficult to find Muslim sayings in video games. That's more arrogance.

People are far too sensitive in this world and it stems from a huge need for attention and/or validation. Being offended by this is of the same mentality as the most rabid fanboy on this site. It's pathetic and sad. It has no bearing on anyone's perception of Islam (as only those who can read Arabic would even know what it means) and it isn't serious enough to warrant threats and demands. It is like being offended that the sky is blue instead of green.

If you get offended by the smallest things, then life offends you.
rainslacker  +   1224d ago
It's hard to believe that a big company would go out of their way to do something offensive like that. It's much more likely that the level designer didn't notice it, or maybe he was catholic and thought it made sense. I know several catholics that have the "footsteps" thing somewhere in their bathroom. It was an inspirational thing, just bad placement.
Shadowstar  +   1224d ago
Are you for real? No one there was thinking "Ha! Those crazy Muslims, we'll really get them with this obscure painting on the wall!"

Many Christian bathrooms I've seen have religious iconography in some form in them-- picture of Jesus, quote from scripture, painting of a Saint... It's not part of the culture over here to think that these things shouldn't be in a bathroom. And let's face it, most people are not culturally aware enough to make such a subtle insult on purpose.
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N4realGMRZ  +   1223d ago
@ Shadowstar.....Please re-read what i said....if your ok with jesus being in your bathroom and scriptures of your holy book then i have no beef at all with explain to me why by your logic i should except that to be the norm in our religon? Why on earth can any of you who posted in reply understand that this in our faith is offensive...i have accepted that talking to jesus and quotes and scriptures in your bathroom is normal and you take no offense to it...i understand! lol what i cant understand is your line of thinking....because u do this and its normal to you and ok by you and your culture...then the whole world should adhere to your standards and do and think in the same manner as you do? how does this work? explain it to me? becaus3e u think its normal...then a whole religon and culture should just say..."hey!! its cool they thinks its normal! lets all just be cool!!" because apparently the world...cant be offended by anything without your consent......Seriously what a condecending and disgusting thought.
Shadowstar  +   1222d ago
@N4realGMRZ : I do understand that it's offensive to you. And I think it's a good thing that they took the map down so that they can fix things, since it's always better to apologize and correct a mistake when it's made. Where I disagree with you is that you're saying you think it was an intentional insult. That's just ridiculous.

Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity or ignorance.

As far as "my" holy book goes, I don't have one, I think you're all delusional, Christians, Muslims, whatever else- but if it helps get you through the day, I have no problem with you keeping your crutches, so long as you don't go around bashing humanity in the face with them. I'm talking about prevalent "Western" culture and why it would simply never occur to anyone that it would offend Muslims until they took offense.
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dedicatedtogamers  +   1224d ago
In other news, Muslims get upset at this article for using the word "Muslims".
rezzah  +   1224d ago
it is not about who looks at it and who doesn't, it is about the meaning behind why the picture is up there with religious writing above a toilet.

You have to look at it as symbolism to get the idea of:

"I shyt on this saying/beauty/religion"

An act of hatred? or a act of respect? Until the reason why it was put there is revealed, no one will know.
Yardie  +   1224d ago

But then again, it's just as likely that Jay Z put it there to help on his quest for world domination.
Abdou23  +   1224d ago
As a Muslim i want to clarify that the prronlem is to write the name " Allah" in a toilet, as it's not a place of "immaculacy " For instance we shouldn't eat or drink in a bathroom.
But anyways as a Muslim if i ran into such thing while playing a game i will just move on with my life and would never care to complain or such, not something major comparing with the amount of offence we get on yearly basis from every part of this planet.
mantisimo  +   1224d ago
The thing is Abdou that a few muslims do make a big deal out of this sort of thing that moderate people of other religions would not.

I thank you for your tolerance and respect the fact you are knowledgeable yet temperate.

And yes there are idiots with extreme views in ALL religions (although I do agree that I never met a buddhist crusader or extremist). Hmmm?

So a little common sense and thought is all thats needed.

I'm a happy man and an atheist. I don't care where I end up If it's bad I probably deserve it but the fact that all religions are only at most a few thousand years old I think I literally will just turn to dust.

mantisimo  +   1224d ago
Oh and after watching the video again most religions would love to have quotes praising their gods in a game, wherever they were placed.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about" Oscar Wilde.
Halochampian  +   1224d ago
And this is why people consider me anti-theist. I'm all for people having beliefs but when it starts to deny rights to others, oppress, and do shit like this is when I get disgusted.

This isn't just against Muslims but Christians as well. They both are equally as bad. Both of their gods command the killing of others. Gays and others for the Christians. Non-believers for the Muslims.

I'm sorry if that offends you but there is a lot in life that is going to offend you. Cry in a corner and then come back and grow up.
GuyThatPlaysGames  +   1224d ago
If he wants an "official apology" then that should come in the form of a predator missile. :)
StraightPath  +   1224d ago
Activisions response and actions are brilliant. My respect for Activision has gone up by doing this and making the edits shows they care about diversity.
mcstorm  +   1224d ago
The problem we have in this world is people get worked up over the smallest this and for no reason.

Ok they may find this offensive but other people dont. Religion is one of the biggest problems in this world always has been and always will be as long as its around.

To me it dose not matter what religious beliefs you have or what colour your skin is. We should all respect each other for we are not who we belive in. No religion is right and none are wrong and its our choice in what we do and who we look up to. To me this not not be any big deal for anyone as its a game. Its not realy and i bet 99% of the people who play this game would not notice it and by the age of it people have not noticed it but yet again a very small number of people overreact and spoil it foreveryone else. Its a western game so expect western type thing in the game. Do you think the Germans look at ww2 games and make a fuss because they are the bud guys in all the games? No they just enjoy the game as a game.

For me the world needs to grow up.
Ranma1  +   1224d ago
Islam was founded by a terrorist, who kidnapped women and children and sold them into slavery, and gave some to the Sahaba (Muhammad's companion), so they can have sex with them.

Evidence here:

And i find it very offensive that people promote and practice the teachings of Muhammad everyday through be beheadings, stonings, war, kidnapping, e.t.c
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Tyrone_Biggums  +   1224d ago
Seriously. How the hell do people find such small details like this? Are they that bored while playing?
nerdkiller  +   1224d ago
religion of peace my ass,can u imagine a world with out muslim thats like 90% violence in the world gone.
CalvinKlein   1223d ago | Immature | show
showtimefolks  +   1223d ago
here is a simple thought from a peaceful muslim's view, why over the past few years some non-muslims have gone out of their way to piss of a rather large religion. By now people should realize islam is a peaceful religion but when someone does something stupid that means there will be a reactions.

Go ahead disagree but i believe if you don't know anything about islam A either try to learn before speaking or doing something that may offend people or B and just leave it alone and mind your business.

I know this game is old but IW should do the smart thing and remove this.

we have so much fighting going on on the name of religion and instead of trying to make peace and avoid conflict it seems like every few months someone goes if i do this will this offend a muslim. And when a muslim takes action than that person is labelled as a terrorist. Here is a thought leave our religion alone.

i have read few comments which said this game is made in a christian country but here is a thought a lot of christian live in muslims countries so by these things if one of them gets hurt than was it worth it? we should be trying to make peace but i guess we all have bad people in our religions.

a life is a life whether its a muslim or non-muslim everything should be done to protect that life and if these things will put anyone in danger than we should stop doing these

leave islam alone if you don't know anything about it
don't say anything about prophet Muhammad that you have not done your research about.

Believe it or not Islam is about peace and living in peace but it seems like people are poking the bear to see if he reacts and when he does than let's label him as bad
doogiebear  +   1223d ago
Quote by the late, great Winston Churchill:

(Churchill was the World Leader (British) smart enough to see first, that Adolph Hitler was evil when FDR, Chamberlain, and liberals everywhere were praising and courting him!)

Sir Winston Churchill on Islam:

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund,(dead-like Buddhism, Confucianism) Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step.”

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog,..."

"The fact that in Mohammedan law every...must belong his absolute property...delay(s) the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."

- Sir Winston Churchill

Also this excerpt from his speech goes into more detail in this quote:

"Ho w dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

This was written in 1899. Churchill was also the one of first major voices to warn the West about the impending danger of Nazi Germany. No one listened to him until it was too late.
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MrMister  +   1223d ago
Every day you look in the news and more than 75% of the stories are about some kind of crazy islamic uprising or honor killing. Then you get crazies always trying to defend these muslim cultists. Just sickening how they just let muslims play the victim role.
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IAmLee  +   1223d ago
Guess I won't be taking my muslim friend to the art gallery afterall..
Mounce  +   1222d ago
I notice they complain more than Americans themselves, its annoying to be honest, and in a non-racist manner.

Like, where Americans somewhat egotistically, (Generalizations included) think themselves as the world police or that the world revolves around them. With Muslims, I mean, is it meant to be 'Common Knowledge' of what would offend them or what is politically correct with their nation and religion and rules? Game developers who make games globally for sure as hell can't look at EVERY fucking religion, every fucking language, every species, every alien, and probe their laws, rules, dislikes, what offends, what's right or wrong with each culture like say, in some countries, its offensive to give a THUMBS UP. Its PRAISE to Burp after a meal in some. So, if in a video game, someone in a restaurant BURPS, should I fucking whine to the developers for being ignorant about my culture?! NO. and Fuck off. Religion-hate, 'Perceived'-hate or otherwise. Being offended in such weak ways, annoys me. It's pathetic. By all means too, It's not that I'm insensitive or just uncaring to other nations or religions, but must one whine about this? There's tons of Animes and Games that contain Jesus or God-like entities that reference Christian myths and its history and I don't even hear as many complaints unlike from the Muslim community.
hennessey86  +   1224d ago
Any excuse
These days, anything offends them.
JellyJelly  +   1224d ago
I wonder what would offend Mohammad, Jesus or any other prophet the most - The fact that their words are depicted on a frame above a toilet or the fact that their followers are playing a game that is about all about SHOOTING AND KILLING?

SaffronCurse - "This religion dosen't make any sense to me." What religion does, really? Christianity, Islam, it's the same sh*t with different prophets really.
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yaz288  +   1224d ago
jelly jelly , Christinity and islam would be the same , that is, if it werent for a pagan king who hijacked Jesus name and started mixing false rituals and believes . and that jesus was one of many of god prophets who were sent to guide curtain people , so is mohammed , but the diffrent is that mohammed was the last of the last of prophet and that god has sent him to all of humanity on the same goal as the prohets who came before him , and that is To bring them back to unite and worship God . the real god , the one and only god .
SaffronCurse  +   1224d ago
Lol they decide to get rid of this 3 years after release when millions of people have already played it.

This religion dosen't make any sense to me.
r21  +   1224d ago
So the map is out for a while, there are other maps to play.
Nutsack   1224d ago | Offensive
Zha1tan  +   1224d ago
religion should keep to itself and stay away from entertainment.
Smashbro29   1224d ago | Bad language | show
TheComedian  +   1224d ago | Well said
They get upset over a picture of a dog on a newspaper.
They get upset over an ice cream brand because it faintly reminds them of Mohammed.
They get upset over some verses of Quaran on a picture frame because they believe it is in a disrespectful place.

And when they get offended riots,mob lynches and in some cases even public executions and assassination orders from higher ups follow. Not in this case but in others yes. And by the end of the day they are the religion of "peace". Well of course. When you have exterminated everyone who doesn't share the same faith with you and there is noone with a counter argument of course there will be peace. Please I implore you do go on ahead and tell me how racist I am and how I have been brainwashed by the media. But everything I said is not media propaganda it is things that have happened in real life.
Baka-akaB  +   1224d ago
As long as you dont forget that christianism devouts are and behaved exactly the same way .
TheComedian  +   1224d ago
Interesting you should say that. I think you misunderstand my post. Yes Christians do get offended as well at nonsensical things. But when they do I don't see angry mobs in the streets burning flags,beating up innocent people and other such atrocities en mass. Yes there may be the occasional protest from time to time BUT it is not a destructive manforce walking in unison. And the last time Christians had that appalling mob mentally was,yes you guessed it,in the Dark ages. In short it is not the fact that they get offended that gets to me. It is the fact that they throw violent hissy fits and tantrums in response to the offense like little children.
and do note that I am an atheist so which religion is "better" is a silly point to me. But things are as they are.
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Baka-akaB  +   1224d ago
It's happening to this century in some remote and deemed "weird" places . Not so long ago , in 2011 a group of peruvians "shamans" were brutally murdered by that kind of lynching christian based mob .

And i dont care either way too , so long as one doesnt try to sell me it's less bloddy , stupid ; and an*l retentive as the other .

The christian world is just relatively at "peace" for now . While most islamic related countries are still in turmoils and changes . Religion has always been a political and warfare tool and will remain so . It just happens that right now the northern american hemisphere , and most of europe is at peace and doesnt need it as much .

Dont forget this isnt the first fps to get that kind of silly request . The Church petitionned for the removal of a cathedral in resistance too .
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TheComedian  +   1224d ago
"It's happening to this century in some remote and deemed "weird" places"
Do take a close look at the words you yourself used and you will see how it is not the same thing.
Muslims:en mass
Christians:singular happenings
"Dont forget this isnt the first fps to get that kind of silly request . The Church petitionned for the removal of a cathedral in resistance too"
Well...did it happen in the end?
Anyway last bubble if you wish to continue the discussion I will be more than glad to indulge in PMs.
InTheLab  +   1224d ago
I just made a comment in some other thread stating the exact same thing....well, I may have poked fun at a few religious figures...but mostly the same thing.

I love how one religion pretends to be the moral standard but all the rest are practiced by savages...


The Dark Ages? Ever hear of Cross burning? Still happens in the deep south of the U.S.
Baka-akaB  +   1224d ago
"Do take a close look at the words you yourself used and you will see how it is not the same thing. "

I never said it was frequent . But you guys act as if splinters , mobs and radicalists dont exist at all within the christianity and other movements .

Well it does with facts dating to right now , no need to go back to the dark ages , it even freaking was there in the 90's.

Many would even argue about the nature of the Bush wars as some ort of crusade , but i wont go further there .

That's all i'm saying
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Irishguy95  +   1224d ago
Christianity 'grew/forced' out of this. It was called the Renaissance. However, "Crusades" in the name of God. Inquisitors etc// I'm not gonna bother going on, the point is, Islam extremism must be quenched and destroyed just like Christianity's ridiculous BS was.

Really, Religion itself is ****ing fine. But Religion is abused and used as an Excuse for other stuff. Close minded people are simply close minded, Religion doesn't make people that way/
doogiebear  +   1224d ago
Don't be surprised that they use Peace as a tool to disable their critics.

Genesis 16:12
He (Descendants of Ishamael...aka the Arabs (most Muslims)) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers (everyone else)."

"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them (those who were fooled by the false peace), ...... and they shall not escape."

Daniel 8:25
"By peace, he (the leader of a hostile world-wide religion) will destroy many"

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It's okay with me if you don't believe the same things that I do, but i just thought I would put it out there.
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Scrupuless  +   1224d ago
No one cares about your crazy bible quotes. You think you can fight fire with fire? Your religion is just as ignorant, violent and untrue as islam. Also love how you needed to add your own caption/interpretation to direct the readers to see your point of view.
CptFalcon   1224d ago | Offensive
neogeo  +   1224d ago
I have no tolerance for religion.
Dovahkiin  +   1224d ago
Especially upset muslims.
BigBearNate  +   1224d ago
Seriously petty. Cause of a stupid little painting in the middle of no-where. Honestly. I seriously doubt they were trying to be offensive. Talk about a literal Sh*t fit for nothing. The solution is always... We'll Boycott. Typical.
Getowned  +   1224d ago
lol I bet who ever put that picture there pickled it at random from a gallery of other pictures. I'm really sure that the guy who did it had no idea about it. I'm shocked at how they took this as offensive. I'm Christian and I just say "meh" at these kind of things, I don't let it bug me.... I actually laugh at it sometimes too, sense of humor grow one. ;D

" *sniff sniff* suddenly it reaks of hypocrisy in here... Well well well if it isn't the Catholic Church.. OH and whats this ? no little Timmy glued to your crotch.. progress." HAH! :D

Hellsing abridged owns!

Anyway I think this whole thing is stupid, oh well I don't even play MW2 anymore, and one on my friends list dose.
GiantFriendlyCrab  +   1224d ago
allah is a the god of war
GiantFriendlyCrab  +   1224d ago
This means that the semitic monotheistic gods are nothing but a copy of the mythologies of pagan gods.
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GiantFriendlyCrab  +   1224d ago
And btw i love god of war as in mythology, not by making it look real, that where all the problems starts
MacDonagh  +   1224d ago
hey arq888

Jesus, man.

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yaz288  +   1224d ago
Allah is a word for God. In Arabic, the word means simply "the God." , we were all created by a universal god , and thats god.and no other but god . and that there is no such thing as god of war. or god of heaven or buddha or Jesus or holy spirit or any kind of forgery or falseness.
anticooper  +   1224d ago
so you got the proof of you god being the only god through a book,thats pretty impressive:-)ignorance is bliss isnt it?:-) oh and by the way , the world really needs your gods help,people are starving and killing each other can you please tell him to stop playing hide and seek:-)Peace:-)
serial00  +   1224d ago
My Friend That Book contain convincing proofs . so its not really about ignorance .

(No matter how you think about it , No person could ever fabricate such a thing especially at that era .

And you only die once .either you go to hell or heaven . if you follow righteous Path and be patient over life difficulty you will be rewarded
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anticooper  +   1224d ago
@Serial00 so you telling me a book can tell the truth about the truth, come on you cant be serious? and i just saw the two video link you posted, 6 minuts of video on youtube is proof to you, please open you eyes and ears, you are caught in a illusion reality is waiting outside you door, you should try it:-)

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.Quote:socrates
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serial00  +   1224d ago
Please you sound just like this guy here

Open your eyes , you have nothing to lose if you have a little faith .And I dont understand ? 6 minuts isnt enough for you ? you want more ? check youtube , read the quran , Try to be open minded

science every day prove Quran miracles and that it is truly god words . Dont be like the jews when Moses kept showing them god miracles , they kept drifting away and asking for more .When more was what they got , but they kept ignoring (not must of them ). so when you see a miracle think about it,what does it mean ? you dont just say thats it .
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kikizoo  +   1223d ago

"we were all created by a universal god"

no, only parents..and before monkeys : just science's fact.
reznik_zerosum  +   1224d ago
-censored muhamed joke-
nanometric  +   1223d ago
Dude, you misspelled Muhammad and you did it with a lowercase "m".

If I were you, I'd be running really fast right about now.
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Straightupbeastly  +   1224d ago
This is all part of karma for Activision for trying to screw over the old employees of infinity ward
GiantFriendlyCrab  +   1224d ago
Activision has sold more than 30 million copies MW2, so why would the give a shit about the game being boycotted ?, lmao
p_bateman  +   1224d ago
This is very sad aren't computer games illegal in muslim countries anyway.
Squall5005   1224d ago | Offensive
abzdine  +   1224d ago
No matter which belief one has, i think people should love and respect each other because we are all humans in first place.

I dont think it is ok to try to hurt others by any means. If i make a game and i insult the mother or even the idea of anybody i dont think that person will appreciate... Always try to put yourselves in the place of the other.
People who dont care about religion should at least let the ones who care in peace..

To me it looks like a mistake from the studio and i dont think they meant it as offensive. Let's see.
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SAE  +   1224d ago
Exactly , the people who try to insulte others believes are only showing how sick they are instead of proving the religion wrong..

You people blame us for being upset and sensitive instead of telling activision to remove it and respect all religions ...

imagine if muslims Made a game that insulted your religion , you wouldnt care ?.. i wont believe you if you say no because you wont let others insulted what you believe is right , if is a right for us to be upset.
GammaSix  +   1224d ago
Religion needs to die
SAE  +   1224d ago
So you like how the people that doesnt believe in religions live ?.. Drunk , no limits in life , no fear of doing bad things , tbe truh is that without religion people would kill each other more , ignorant age proves that , thats why we need somsthing to guide us , to live the right way , peacefully and dont do bad things we revret it or destroy our lifes or even others.

What relly must die is th hate , if we all accepted each other believes we wont have any kind of fight , each to his own believe , then god or nature judge us for what we choose.
brettyd  +   1224d ago
Um just because you don't believe in religion doesn't mean your a drunk crazy person with no morals. You're the one who's ignorant.

I think everyone has the right to believe in what they wan't but your logic is asinine.
DarkBlood  +   1224d ago
i didnt grow up in a church or anything of similiar nature, yet i turned out fine

in fact sometimes i think religion blocks who you really are from a black or white point of view, i rather be a good person because of who i really am and want to be good not because a bible tells me to be but thats my take

i believe in god in my own way, theres no certain way to determine which one is the truth so i back away from them im sure whereever i go in the afterlife "god" will understand my reasoning for it
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Pandamobile  +   1224d ago
@lDeath489 If the only thing stopping you from murdering, raping and stealing is your fear of a deity, then you're one messed up individual.

Take a look at the violent crime rates in countries with more a more secular or atheistic population like Sweden, and compare that to a religious country like Iran.

Get your head checked.
GezForce  +   1223d ago
The problem with Islam is that its not a religion... but an ideology that is not compatible with our western customs and beliefs. They are not here to integrate but to dominate through jihad... the islamification of the world. Unlike other religions Tolerance is not in their teachings unfortunately. The West is way too lenient towards these minorities in our societies. i dread the day we eventually becomes the minority on our own soil...I'm sure we wont be treated so mercifully.
WonderboyIII  +   1223d ago mRUx0&feature=relmfu
-Mezzo-  +   1224d ago
This story brought out the Colors of N4G, i never knew existed.
Deadpool616  +   1223d ago
Indeed. Behind the veil of the internet, people will type anything.
soraalam1  +   1223d ago
So much disrespect for a religion makes me sad.
yaz288  +   1223d ago
the short version of the shit going on here:

"I hate religion.."

trying pathetically to make a joke about this..

just disagreeing with any shit they don't like .. comments that ignite hate and racism somehow gets allot of agrees and bubbles. and the peaceful ones get all the hate .. very nice

and whats the fuss all about? just some guy posting 2 min video in a peaceful manner , no bombing, no killing.. asking for clarification, and what do you get? a storm of blind angry haters
DFresh  +   1224d ago
Religion is the downfall of mankind.
More people have died over religion then any conflict in history.
Dlacy13g  +   1224d ago
Certainly many wars have been fought with religious belief at the center, however religion is the corner stone to man becoming civilized. The books of religion have done far more to further mankind than to hinder it as you seem to believe. Religeous teachings are the basic foundation blocks of most of our laws in the world. Without religion and the teachings of morality we would be stuck in a far worse and dark place than your view of current society.
InTheLab  +   1224d ago
I think you meant Knowledge is the corner stone to man becoming civilized. Without science, you wouldn't be able to type your views on this site, on any site, or type at all.

Religion offers up no cures for disease, no advances in technology, and is responsible for the worst atrocities throughout man's history.

Even wild animals have the basic understanding of morality. It would exist with or without Religion. It's the reason most animals don't cannibalize their young or hunt prey beyond what is absolutely necessary to survive. All without the aid of Animal Jesus, animals are able to understand the difference between right and wrong...
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   1224d ago
@InThelab Knowledge doesn't stop a man from committing henious crimes. If anything it better equips him for such actions. Having Morals reduces these tendencies hence why religion for the most part keeps us civilized.
Dlacy13g  +   1224d ago
Science has given man the ability to do many things that we couldn't do without it, I fully agree. Knowledge of science gives us tools, tools to use but science does not teach morality.

You say even animals have a basic understanding of morality. Not eating your own is not morality. That is merely instinctual self preservation.

Morality my friend is accepted moral standards: standards of conduct that are generally accepted as right or proper. Religion gave us all basic sets of standards on how we "should" treat each other. Those sets of standards were used as the baseline for most of our laws and the general consensus on how we should treat each other.

Unfortunately, many interpret laws, religion and even what should be deemed acceptable behavior differently.... and thus where our differences often evolve from.

As for Religion not offering up cures for disease or advances in technology. I am not an expert on the matter so I can't say one way or another if religious efforts ever were directly responsible for a cure. BUT I do know with out a shadow of a doubt that science has contributed far more to the destruction of man than religion has. Weapons wether mechanical, biological...even nuclear are born out of science and have directly impacted human lose of life. Edit: and when I say directly impacted I mean these tools created by science are used to take life. I realize it takes a person to use them.

Religion often has been at the heart of conflicts, but science has enabled both religeous and non-religeous to kill in mass numbers far easier than ever in our history.
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serial00  +   1224d ago
There is ignorance , hate , racism , as many other things that people died because of it . basically religion was exist to set this thing right along with other things That God has sent prophets to guide people to it .

inthelap@ God had given you a brain without that there would be no science . God also give you a hand , without it you could not type your view on this site .or any site at all .
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mantisimo  +   1224d ago
actually evolution gave me my hands and brain through many many generations of natural selection, religion is there because we needed something or was scared of something hundreds of generations ago.

We then worshipped these 2 things and then over time it became religion.

Darwin was God.
serial00  +   1223d ago
your telling me that this Accuracy , this level of details and function that have been assembled through out your body was the act of coincident ?
really ....
..... until the time comes when you can crate a fly from ( nothingness ) .your argument is invalid.

And religion was there because we were simply ignorance and needed to be guided ,and that life is not meaninglessness . as some guys like him, thought
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mantisimo  +   1223d ago
Serial00 wrote "your telling me that this Accuracy , this level of details and function that have been assembled through out your body was the act of coincident ?
really .... "

No I'm telling you that over thousands of generations we have developed to become what we are by natural selection this is no coincidence just scientific fact.

No God made anything.
serial00  +   1223d ago
scientific fact ? its just a theory that have many contradiction .
josephayal  +   1224d ago
too sensitive
Religion BY Definition HAS Nothing TO DO WITH Video Games,
BTW players eat snacks during the game so we Don't Have Time For This
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-IronMan-  +   1224d ago
lmao the picture is in the bathroom
Emilio_Estevez  +   1224d ago
That's what makes it offensive.
Strange  +   1223d ago
Religion is a very convenient way to get offended.
Dlacy13g  +   1224d ago
I say just make a quick patch and change out the frame. Its an easy enough thing to do and ultimately given the climate of the world today probably the right call. Many will say "what is the big deal?" but the reality... it is more of a big deal than most will understand. I don't want to see this issue escalate on the level of that friggin Youtube video. Our industry doesn't need that kind of heat.
Dlacy13g  +   1224d ago
looks like IW was on the same page as me. Per IW a patch for fix should be in place by next week. Problem solved, everyone can relax and move on.

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AHall88  +   1224d ago
Why the hell should Muslims get special treatment? What about the countless times Christians, Jews, and Catholics have been mocked in media? What makes Muslims so special?
madjedi  +   1223d ago
Because usually when one of our(west/europe) religious nutjobs or non religious nutjobs goes on a destruction or killing spree.

They are criminally charged with all theirs offences, assuming the authorities didn't kill them on the spot.

Because we do not tolerate that as a society, enough of middle eastern states religious extremists get the ignorant mobs worked up into a frenzy, over stupid shit.

Take the recent innocence of islam(whatever it's called) movie rioting, that is a percentage of the muslim population that needs to be separated from the civilized world.

Until it can take criticisms, without turning homicidal and want to maim or kill anyone who offends them or their god.

I give a week(if that long) before some candy ass journalist starts asking for a committee to be established, to review games for any religious or racially offensive content.

Now if they had pages of the koran as toilet paper, i could see the offensive or outrage, this not so much.

But i am atheist/agnostic, if you want to put a bible in there to try and piss off christians knock yourself out. Just leave the everything has to be inoffensive and politically correct bs, out of video games.

Ask german or australian gamers how well censorship and gaming work for them.
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WonderboyIII  +   1223d ago
freedom is through respect not through being offensive and inconsiderate.If you need to criticize me do that in a respectful way. Dont cricize me to offend me and ridicule me. If you do not like my religion fine, its your choice, but to make fun of me because of that is defintly not accepted in any moral code.
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abzdine  +   1224d ago
i wonder how mental old some guys here are.
most of people here should first learn good manners of talking nicely, and they should also know what they are talking about..

Nobody is upset about anything the guy saw something he made a video to express his disappointment why don't you respect his ideology and be open minded like the western society claims to be.
If you think what he did is wrong then discuss slowly in a friendly way about the reason why in order to make you more knowledgable.

Please guys calm down, we're all here for the same reason, talk about games and not insult each other.
BrianC6234  +   1224d ago
Muslims are always complaining about something. Maybe they should be the ones who do what you say. Are you Muslim? It gets tiring reading these same old stories.
yaz288  +   1224d ago
that's exactly it .. he just peacefully made a video addressing his concerns .. just a 2 min video! and the shitty comment are appearing and bitching without reason..

I don't think this the first time I ve seen this kind of thing on n4g .. grew up and lets return and bitch how re6 suck..
Braid  +   1224d ago
Thank you for showing us that there's still some sense left here on N4G.

What most of you people don't understand is that it's a "cultural" matter. While you may think that a picture that's hang on the wall of a toilet with sacred writings on its frame would not offend anybody, that's your way of thinking, your cultural perception and your beliefs making you conclude that it's not harmful at all. On the other hand, it may be inappropriate, or even "forbidden by religion" as staded by the guy in the video, within the framework of a culture that is foreign to you. I was lucky enough to have the chance to study different cultures around the world throughout my graduate education and I clearly saw that you have to be tolerant, empathical and most importantly, push YOUR way of thinking shaped by YOUR cultural norms aside first, if you want to truly understand another culture. Forget about your rights and wrongs, try to understand the other. That's the only way to achieve a mutual understanding between different cultures, and when you do, you'll never think about matters in a single perspective, as you'll gain lots and lots of great things from other cultures. Expand your perspective, people, and do it for your own sake.

If this is an inappropriate action in their culture, you have to respect their way of thinking and try to fix what's caused by a hopefully unintentional circumstance. Nobody can know every cultural/religious ethic and norm, if there's some harm done one way or another, you sincerely try your best to undone it. The guy says that what they want is some respect, and as a human being I believe that every fellow man regardless of their beliefs on Earth deserve some of that civility.
PopRocks359  +   1223d ago
Somehow I had a feeling this would end up on N4G and wind up being a "Let's shit on the Muslims" fest.

Religious groups get upset about these things all the time. It's hardly exclusive to Muslims. Just because defensive gamers love their games so much, their disagreement over this issue apparently gives them a right to insult people for believing a certain faith.

Not everyone is like that, there are some actually constructive counterpoints in a few of these comments. But as usual, ignorance seems to have taken hold of the comment section.
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