StickSkills said, "Released a full year before its competitors the 360 was immediately snapped up by gamers eager for something new. It’s had a few dips here and there, but right now it’s outselling Wii and PS3 monthly and with pretty impressive sales for a console that is seven years old. So with that in mind, here’s why I think the next Xbox (it won’t be called 720, let’s be serious) will be next gen’s top dog."
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I don't mind paying for gold, I no online play should be free but the service as a whole is worth paying for in my personal opinion. I think giving away some freebies ps plus style would go a long way to thank gold subscribers for supporting Microsoft from day one, which I have as I have been an Xbox live sub since day one. I suppose if you were a play station only gamer last gen and didn't have to pay for online you can't really expect them to do it this gen when psn is free. Hopefully they will have a platinum service next gen with gold being free. At least it's then a choice like ps plus.
You have no logic.
@hennessey86- PS Plus is only getting more and more popular. You can bet that Microsoft will try to do something similar when the next Xbox comes out.
For $50 (PS Plus) I get tons of games that were all priced from $20-$60. My HD is full of them... so, what is your point?
You're a good poster boy for the internet. Your comment is nothing. You don't explain yourself, you don't provide any links, and you don't state any facts.
Even if you're simply stating an opinion, provide some sort of reasoning.
Again, your comment is nothing.
well maybe his reason based on fact that despite 1 year late came into the market (1,5 year in europe) ps3 has been outselling 360 almost every year except 2011... even 2012 until now according to neogaf ww number ps3 still leading.
would you agree if ps3 and 360 released at the same time ps3 sold better? maybe the same thing could happen with ps4 and 720
How about
1. Exclusives
2. XBL & Community (gamers)
3. Unrivaled 3rd support
4. Price & Kinect
5. Xbox Brand is now Mainstream
Those are the things that will carry the 720 through the next-gen, however, Japan will always hold them back, as well as diversity of exclusives.
If using trends of past systems to predict future system sales you could say PS2 outsold Xbox by a huge margin. PS3 and 360 are neck and neck. Based on these 2 facts 720 will outsell PS4 by a huge margin.
Of course this is all speculative BS but as long as we are pulling crap out of the air might as well have the poo fling both ways.
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False, not outselling the PS3. In the US, sure. Worldwide, no.
PS3 is the highest selling home console the past 40 straight weeks, including every week in 2012.
The site made a case for all 3 as Top Dogs..
In regards to the 720, MS is in it's best position ever to solidify a successful gen.
Xbox Live has not only been a huge factor in the 360s success this gen, but it will be a HUGE reason that the migration to the 720 will be massive early on for the hardcore 360 fans.
Xbox live 3.0 + Windows 8 + Kinect 2.0 + A system that will clearly outpower the 360 by a long shot all could could equal hardware that will easily put MS in a great position.
Franchise-wise the 720 has a strong set of go-to titles and next gen games gthatr will be hugely anticipated by millions and millions just like the Nintendo.
At the end of the day..they got a shot..only time will tell.
Evil
Nintendo wont have the same success they had with the Wii,
and Sony is in the process of some major internal restructuring.
It'll happen, rumors saying that all Devs switched to XBX3 development for at least a year, that's why there isn't much exclusives right now.
O-T
In America it already won ;) next one is Europe, Japan is out of the question right now, but in the future you never know...
On Topic: 1 reason this article is wrong: You don't know jack shite about the 720.
"Buying ANY game you want is better than purchasing XBLG. Even if it is only $60/yr. No one can say they would rather purchase XBL then buy a new game they really want. People buy XBL because they are forced to, plain and simple."
I buy XBLG over a game all the time. My problem isn't finding games to play, but rather finding people I want to play with that has a microphone and a way to efficiently play and communicate togheter. I have too many games sitting on the backlog already. It wouldn't surprise me that the vast majority of people hanging out here has the same problem with a backlog.
@LOGICWINS:
"@hennessey86- PS Plus is only getting more and more popular. You can bet that Microsoft will try to do something similar when the next Xbox comes out."
I would doubt MS would do something like that. It's like the strategy asians tend to employ by lowering the price so bad they think the competitor will die out. What really will happen is they both die as consumers get used to that price point.
In MS case, having free games every month would massively affect long term profits of third party. Third party pretty much makes up the platform when you look at the sheer amount of money that flows.
It will also negatively affect the value of games that already struggle.
A good example of this is why a new generation is needed to renew interrest and buying. Because lots of games are so cheap, there are no longer much profits to be made since people will just buy the cheaper games instead of the latest and greatest.
I do it all the time!
I held off buying so many games until they hit $20, because I already have so many games.
If there is one thing MS is smart at, it is the business game. They have consistently shown that during this entire generation with the Xbox 360 as it has been a massive success for both MS and the consumer.
See the only reason you get that 'impression' is because your bleed SONY and your a fantroll still fighting the make believe console war.
I love how keeping it real on this site, brings out the hypocrisy in these fankiddies. But, it's easy to see though em' like glass.
On topic..
You don't have to know one spec detail to know that if MS simply builds on what made the 360 successful they will be in great shape...
Evil
I predict my old black atari 16 bit will beat the shit out of any future console :)
I love how keeping it real on this site, brings out the hypocrisy in these fankiddies. But, it's easy to see though em' like glass."
Oh really? Go ahead and look through my recent comment history and find a post that's filled with the PR garbage you spew but about Sony. Go ahead, I'll wait.... Can't find any? Yeah thought so. You're spouting MS PR left, right, and center and yet you're not a "fantroll" or "fankiddy" and you're "keeping it real?" Yeah, ok there bud. Keep missing out on those checks.
"You don't have to know one spec detail to know that if MS simply builds on what made the 360 successful they will be in great shape..."
Actually yes you do. Nintendo, Sega, and Sony have all proven with their own failures that there are no guarantees and that you can't assume that "more of the same thing" will guarantee success. But what else can you expect from people who are satisfied with the same 4 exclusives every year and absolutely no demands being made for console defining exclusive GAMING experiences. Have fun continuing to pay for what everyone else gets for free.
You're 100% right. Guys like Dragon Knight simply HATE the fact that MS has so many console defining AAA exclusives. He claims he's not anything like Sony PR, but he does his best impression by actually trying to spin the 360's multitude of highly rated, high quality exclusives into a negative. His hate of the 360 has actually made him think it's BAD to have so many quality games.
Sure, we know nothing about next generation from MS or Sony. But, if more of the same from MS means more quality exclusives, that's fine with me. Dragon Knight (and the rest of the SDF) can keep spinning while Xbox gamers continue to enjoy the console defining games that he pretends don't exist.
Next will come the inevitable comment in which he tries to twist the definition of a console defining game so that ONLY PS3 games matter.
As long as the games are not crap made as fluff/filler simply for boasting's sake.
Over promising games that might not even finish development, hyping games barely on the drawing board and then having to announce delays and cancellations isn't MSFT's way due to being the world leader in software.
MSFT's goal this generation wasn't to fluff up their games lineup list with fluffware but to help 3rd party developers flourish adopting what they thought helped PS2 beat its competition last generation.
The only way MSFT was going to earn more marketshare/mindshare this gen was to help 3rd party developers thrive, at the same time allowing the 360 to become the go to console for developers.
What good is that strategy if MSFT had a ton of 1st party games competing with 3rd party games.
MSFT has built their rep up enough for them to do what they wan't next gen with the XBOX-720 (1st or 3rd party strategy or both)
MSFT has said this since before the 360 even launched.
Ms are looking to overtake rim and close the game with android and ios with windows phone 8 but know they wont over take it until at least 2015 if things go to plan.
Windows 8 is looking to pickup the tablet market as there are still issues in bridging the gape between pc and tablets with ios and android.
The next xbox is to take more market share from both sony and nintendo and if you look at the services they will offer in term of phone tablet xbox office skydrive xbox music and more microsoft will offer a very good all in one package that may get people using there products over others.
But each console gen is different and just because they had success this gen dose not mean they will this gen look what happend to sega after the mega drive or nintendo after the snes or even sony after the ps1 and ps2.
I hope sony microsoft and nintendo all do well next gen as they all offer us some amazing experiences and games and i will be supporting all 3 again by getting there next gen consoles.
One time payment? That would be nice, except I've had my Playstation 3 for five years now, and I'll be playing all year next year since new systems won't be out until next holiday at the earliest.
Had I bought a 360 instead I'd have had to pay $360 for online gaming ($240 if I got 12 month cards on sale for $40).
$240-$360 to play video games online? No thanks.
I will pay it until a similar service comes up for cheaper or free. Right now, neither Sony or Nintendo offer the same as Live.
People pay way more for cell phones EVERY month, yet Live is too much? LMAO.
I am very satisfied with my 360, PS3, not so much. I have had two PS3's and have sold both of them. The first party exclusives are pretty, yes, but replayability is severely lacking.
I have a gaming PC too, but most of my buddies have a 360, so that is where I primarily game. If I want to drool over graphics, I turn the PC on.
Anyway, I know I am falling on deaf ears here, so I will just shut the F^(& up as I know I can't spread any logic or common sense on this site.
"Why is it such a big deal that people enjoy Live?"
Perhaps you need a lesson in literacy. I never claimed that people shouldn't enjoy XBL. It's nowhere in my post. What I did say is that I'm not going to pay about $300 over 6 years to play games online when I can do it for free. I have no problem with other people paying money to play games online.
The games I've played online (Call of Duty 4, Warhawk, Killzone 3, Uncharted 2 & 3, Portal 2, Battlefield BC2 and BF3, and now Borderlands 2) have been problem free. That's what I care about in an online service. Not LastFM, Facebook, or cross game chat. But again, if others want to pay for those things, that's OK with me.
"The first party exclusives are pretty, yes, but replayability is severely lacking. "
Wow...Your severely lacking any reasonable judgement.
Nah im good, dont feel like playing on the Maintenancestation 3. Ill stick with live.
Lets speculate about systems that we know absolutely nothing about and already start calling winners and losers!
Paired with the fact that this kid is clearly biased towards the xbox as his negatives towards the Wii and Ps3 are typical over hyped criticisms.
just silly
"It’s had a few dips here and there, but right now it’s outselling Wii and PS3 monthly and with pretty impressive sales for a console that is seven years old."
yeah yeah, sure, and ton of exclusives..keep dreaming.
I'd love to be proven wrong, with Microsoft releasing a cornucopia of great exclusives and new IPs, but I just don't see it based on what has lead them to success this generation.
It won't matter though. Next gen will be won by Wii U. ;)
Every time I turn on my 360 and watch my PS3 collect dust I do so becuase M$ told me to, GTFO. I plau my 360 the most because the online is better to me, the controller is better to me, and most of the games I play are multiplats. The PS3 has great eclusives but they have zero replay value.
Or, does your theory apply only when the console you love trails the competition? Selective amnesia again.
MS's success this generation is due to games like Halo, Forza, Alan Wake, Gears of War, Project Gotham Racing, Fable, and numerous other retail and XBLA exclusives. You blame MS's success on Kinect because you WANT to believe that's the reason for their success. You clearly despise Kinect, so you try to portray ALL 360 owners as a bunch of gullible sheep who blindly buy Kinect products, instead of looking at the real reasons for the 360's success.
"Expect more timed-exclusive DLC" - You mean like the exclusive DLC that Sony bought for the upcoming Assassin's Creed 3? Or the PS3 exclusive Mortal Kombat, Dead Space, and Medal of Honor content?
Is advertising a new phenomenon this generation? Is it somehow a bad thing for a company to promote its products?
Your last sentence is a complete contradiction. You say you'd like to see MS release new exclusives and IP's, then you say that you think they won't. It IS MS's new IP's and exclusives that led them to success this generation. Since you don't seem to believe that new IP's and exclusives led MS to success this generation, what exactly do you think it was?
Halo, Forza, Gears, and Fable are among the highest quality games in their respective genres this generation. Those games (and many others) drove the 360's success this generation. But you're convinced that people didn't buy 360's due to quality - it was all about cramming their faces full of advertising.
"The Xbox 360's success has proven that games don't matter as much as advertising. " You state your position clear as day. You believe that advertising, and NOT games, are the reason for Xbox 360's success - despite a Mt. Everest of evidence to the contrary.
Sorry, but your comment was just a bunch of hate-filled drivel - the same kind that we've been hearing for years. You refuse to acknowledge the high quality of the 360 and it's games, so you make up false reasons as to why you consider it's sales to be so high.
Aside from the network effect, Microsoft's biggest gains this generation came largely from multiplats. Exclusive DLC, exclusive ad campaigns, exclusive console bundles, exclusive launch parties, etc. This became so successful that they no longer had to rely on exclusives. Why dump 50m into a AAA title developed in-house when you could just drop a couple moneybags off at Capcom, SquareEnix, Bethesda, or Activision and produce the illusion of multiplat superiority on the Xbox 360? Potentially greater payoff for a fraction of the price and manpower.
While it might annoy me in a "I see what you did there" kind of way, I don't hate them for their aggressive PR. It's not necessarily dirty, but merely something Sony can't afford to do. Having Windows as a bankroll allows Microsoft more breathing room for expenditures than almost any company on the planet.
Advertising, one of Sony's biggest weaknesses, is one of Microsoft's biggest strengths. Not a day goes by where I don't see an ad for at least two Microsoft products, and I don't watch a whole lot of TV. I can't remember the last time I saw a Sony commercial. Whether it be because I really didn't see any, or because they were completely unmemorable.
I'm sorry you feel so hostile and agitated by my post, but that's something you need to sort out yourself. Nothing I said was unreasonable.
I'm sure they'll bring back Banjo, Kameo, Perfect Dark, Halo, Gears, Alan Wake, Forza, Fable, Blinx, and several Kinect Titles. Also, others that were good.
The one game I hope they bring back most is Brute Force! (that is after Halo, Gears, Forza, & Fable)
M$ will start out fast next gen because they used the last 10 years making everything work together!
Live is outstanding & Smart Glass is going to keep everyone live no matter the mobile device.
720 is going to be a Beast!
Zales!, exclusives-are-not-important and "Woo Kinect is teh great".
I would just love to hear what a person like that would've thought of the x360 fanbase that ruined the atmosphere in here during the first 3-4 years of this gen saying the exact opposite of everything he just said pretty much.
"Why the PS3 was/iz and PS4 will be teh doomedz!!11!"
Fixed.
Now that the generation is coming to an end, the 360 doesn't see that many exclusive releases apart from Gears, Forza, Fable and Halo series. Two of which have been annualized. Forza is now getting released every year and they've almost annualized Halo also.
Don't get me wrong, I like those series but in my opinion they're getting released too often that they've become stale.
Sure, we get timed exclusive DLCs which doesn't justify the Gold subscription. I'm a subscriber just because I want to play online.
Recently I've been playing PS3 more than my 360 as it sees many more exclusive releases than MS' green box. Exclusives are what define the console and set it apart from the rest.
Still, that being said, I'm optimistic that we'll see more exclusive IPs from Microsoft next generation as they've opened several studios in the last year or two.
False..but we can count to see how many were annualized..
Halo..not annualized
Forza..not annualized
Fable..Not anuualized
Gears..not annualized
Pretty much 0 for 4....
Evil
As for Forza, Forza 4 was released last year and Forza Horizon will be released this month. Forza 5 will probably be released next year too, considering that the gap between previous installments has been about 2 years.
Halo Reach (The prequel) 3 YEARS in development did come out in 2010.
Last Year the 10 YEAR old Halo Anniversary came out, which updated to ORIGINAL Halo with the Reach engine.
Halo 4 coming next month is the start of the new trilogy.
Foza Horizon is a completely unique game with the Forza name and is not an extension of the 2-year developed Forza 3 and 4.
Gears is not even CLOSE to being annualized and the neither is Fable.
Either way, call em' what you want, but both Halo fans and Forza fans arent complaining one bit that they are getting the massive Halo 4 and Forza Horizon within the next month.
Just like millions of fans arent complaining about Assassin's Creed 3, Black Ops 2, NBA 2K13, Fifa 13, etc. froom TRUE annualized franchises.
Evil
Forza annualised because because last year and this year? Hmmm, I dunno, I'd say if it happens again next year then we can start talking.
Halo stale? Hmmm, 2009 we had an expansion and an RTS (completely different).
2010 was a whole new game in Reach, much different than previous Halo's. Then last year anniversary, which is how a game should be remade.
This year we have Halo 4, which looks much differnet from previous Halo games in terms of story direction and graphics and features.
You can call it annualised, but stale? No way.
Forza has been released 2007, 2009, 2011, and now 2012. Don't see how that is counted as annualised, especially when considering Horizon is completely different focus.
The fact is, that Halo games are getting released every year. That's a fact. Again, I haven't said I didn't like those games, because I do. They're awesome, even.
But it's the fact that we get those games every year now. Halo 4 looks amazing, yes, and I will buy it eventually.
Forza Horizon might be a new direction for the Forza franchise but the franchise is still getting annualized. The facts are pretty much with me on this one. Forza 3 was released in 2009, 4 was released last year. That's a two year gap, right? So it's common sense that Forza 5 will be released next year.
I, personally, have nothing against these games. I love them all, except Fable which isn't that great, in my opinion. But they are all we get every year. Microsoft's exclusive (retail games) lineup only consists if Fable, Halo, Forza and Gears.
Halo 2-2004
Halo 3-2007
So sinceHalo wars theres been a new entry in the series has been released yearly
Halo Wars-2009
Halo ODST-2009
Halo Reach-2010
Halo CE Anniversary-2011
Halo 4- 2012
Im not hating on the games cuz I love every game in the series and Im really excited for 4. It has the chance to be better than the Bungie games. But to say the series hasnt been annualized is kinda ridiculous
Recently MS haven't been releasing "core" exclusives (since for some reason Kinect titles don't count on this site as exclusives)but just because a game is "exclusive" doesn't mean it's a great game or that you will automatically enjoy it.
The number of "exclusives" released on a console means nothing if they are average at best titles.
Multiplats make up 90% of a consoles library and there are by far more AAA multiplat titles on each console then there is exclusive titles.
I love my PS3 but I don't see many exclusives coming out on that system that interest me. Thus this whole "exclusives" argument is redundant.
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http://www.cinemablend.com/...
nuff said..
ps4 for me.. I am sure gaikai will so some intersting things on ps4 and vita.
Logic is not strong with you.
Logic isn't strong with you guys.
MS charged around $100 for a 360 repair. A new console cost $299-$399. You really think that a "majority" of people chose to pay $299 or $399 instead of $100? Sorry, but your logic is extremely weak. Wishful thinking is more like it.
Despite what the naysayers WANT to believe, it's just a fantasy to believe that any significant number of 360 sales came from re-purchased consoles.
I was a blueshirt at bestbuy from december of 2007 until july of 2008 and I had customers every day that were buying new 360's as a result of the RROD. There was one gentleman that bought 2 pro's and frustrated decided to buy an elite after the 3rd pro bit the dust.. SO from my personal experience there were alot of consumers opting to buy new consoles rather then wait for the warranty.. As a whole there is no telling how many bought new ones but I think that it's telling in my mid sized community that people daily were buying new ones... Says alot..
and maybe a decent pc
I have a 3DS I'm getting a WiiU at launch I have a PS3 that I will trade in eventually for a PS4 and a decent PC
with no information about the system at all, and no information on the games, you can't say that it will be "top dog."
obvious xbox fanboy is obvious.
System info: Does it REALLY matter?
I think we all know Nintendo will produce the best games over all this gen, just like last, despite the wii being a POS. Sony will be in the middle with some 1st party different games, but mainly their old exclusives, and M$ will be there with all their shooters wondering how they'll make up for not having any good non-shooter IP's to make games for. All hardware will be okay in graphics with WiiU in last, so does it really matter?
they aren't going to be TOO far behind in graphics. Nintendo game will be in HD with good graphics and I will be able to play thing like Assassin's Creed and Darksiders and some good FPSes like Battlefield on the same console as Zelda and Mario!
#MindBlown
Microsoft and Sony could very well be 10-12 million consoles behind by the time they launch their respective consoles for next gen.
I wont lie though, I'm very much looking forward to see the evolution of Xbox Live and all the amazing games tied to the brand.
2) see which console will have the best 1st and 3d party game support
3) see which console is aimed more at the core gamer, rather then more interested in the casual market share
i support sony more over MS, ms is going kineck crazy atm, and paying for gold and having forced adverts is beyond greedy. if they dont make afew fresh ips early next gen i wont touch it.
sony has gaikai up there sleeve too,and may try and push the tech like they did on the ps2 with DVD, and the ps3 with bluray, this time it seems to be 4K res, can the real top dog return next gen ?
well if you look at past history, the underdog usually does pretty well
offer cheap hardware to cheap/naive folks and let them build your brand for you = the MS way
And we all know gaming interests' never change at all......
R Zone 2.0 baby!
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What if the next playstation has cross game chat, and a overhauled UI. What will the next 360 have to offer? Sony is winning in the games department, and MS is winning in the socail one because of its early launch and party features in Live.
Its much easier to incorporate those social features in the next playstation than it is to find developers to make a plethora of exclusive games for you
Until we see the new consoles, the specs, the exclusives, the add ons and so on, we cannot say anything about which one is going to be at the top.