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Submitted by Venomousfatman 744d ago | opinion piece

Hardcore and Casual Gamers Don't Exist

People will always separate things and see them as parts rather then a whole. Many will look at the faults and differences of things and use them as a means to divide that which is one. This is evident in history through things such as racism and other forms of personal prejudice. And the world of video games, in both industry and community, is also plagued by such illogical and unjust thinking. The terms, or rather titles and brandings, of both Hardcore Gamer and Casual gamer are the two culprits of this. There is a misguided way of thought that is almost conditioned into everyone means or ways of becoming either one. It is only when such overblown and useless titles are rejected can one see the real truth. That neither the idea of hardcore or casual gamers really exists at all. (Borderlands 2, Culture, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Gears of War 3, Industry, Super Mario Galaxy 2)

Outside_ofthe_Box  +   744d ago
Yes they do. You can pretend that they don't, but they do. There is a huge difference between someone that plays games on a regular basis and on that hardly plays at all. There is a big difference in someone that plays nothing but temple run and angry birds all day and one that plays games like Red Dead Redemption and Skyrim. To call these type of gamers the same or say they aren't different at all is ridiculous in my opinion.
baodeus  +   744d ago
@outside_ofthe_box

i don't think u understand the concept at all. People can be hard core in one but not another depend on their taste and interest. Perhaps you can differentiate/group people by their interest, but you can't label them as hardcore/casual based on what you like (hardcore) and what you don't like (casual).

Example taken directly from you "There is a big difference in someone that plays nothing but temple run and angry birds ALL DAY and one that plays games like Red Dead Redemption and Skyrim"

So people that play angry birds can be hardcore as well in that matter (they show dedication by playing all day) but they don't care about RDR or skyrim, while it is opposite for people that do like RDR or skyrim. They may have different taste in game, but the ultimate end is that they are both just playing game; that is what the article is talking about.

You can't truly define hardcore and casual in black and white like many do on n4g. You guys can also be consider CASUAL when it comes to game like angry bird, motion gaming, dance game, etc.. because you don't care and you don't show dedication towards it. Even within your own group that are so call hardcore (according to n4g) shown differences in interests to particular types of games (some like RPG and hate shooter or sport, while the other like the opposite) as example.

True gamer can enjoy all types of games (regardless of what genra etc..), although i still have doubt if that really does exist.
vickers500  +   743d ago
@baodeus

So what do you suggest we call people who play Red Dead and people who play Angry Birds? Do you suggest we call them all 'gamers', as if we're all the same? Because we aren't. Or, what word do you suggest putting in front of the word gamer to clarify what type of gamer the person is? If we're just going to call everyone who plays any type of game a gamer, then that's just going to cause a lot of confusion. You meet someone and they claim to be a gamer, you think "oh cool, we have some common interests", because the social definition of "gamer" (which pretty much everyone understands, even non-gamers) is someone who plays a lot of games on their console or pc, someone who loves playing games as a hobby in their free time, and not just as a distraction at work or school or wherever, but then you find out that they share none of your interests in games and end up disappointed, bummed out and annoyed that time has been wasted. That's why we create the labels of hardcore and casual, to make things more easily understandable for everyone.

We have this social definition that most people understand, but those who are obsessed with semantics and the tiniest little details (or those obsessed with trying to rebel against societal standards) are a very small minority of people who need to stop getting their panties in a twist over something so trivial.

Hardcore and Casual are just quicker than saying "someone who spends a lot of time playing complex games" and "someone who only spends time playing simplistic time waster games". Stop trying to make it so complicated, just accept the social definition, it's much easier.

If you have problems with the supposed connotations of the terms hardcore and casual and think that being called one or the other is an insult, then that's your problem, but don't let your feelings about that come into your argument (if you are doing that, I wont assume you are).

In fact, you seem to be a bit guilty of what you're arguing against yourself with that last line. By your logic, I could bring up a bunch of bs, questioning you about what makes a "true gamer", saying that anyone could be a true gamer, but me arguing that would be pointless and unnecessary, just like the arguments that have a problem with the labels "hardcore" and "casual".
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   743d ago
***"We have this social definition that most people understand, but those who are obsessed with semantics and the tiniest little details (or those obsessed with trying to rebel against societal standards) are a very small minority of people who need to stop getting their panties in a twist over something so trivial."***

Wow I was going make a long detailed replay but Vickers already hit the nail on the head... I love it!

It's not rocket science really. Publishers and Developers know that hardcore and causal gamers do exist. As long as you like and/or have interest in games beyond the (in vickers' terms) "simplistic time waster games" you're hardcore, so as long you play games on a regular basis.

Not that hard. It doesn't mean that you can't play those simplistic time wasters though. I play Angry Birds and Temple Run from time to time nothing wrong with that. Just because a game is casual doesn't mean you can't play it or enjoy it. I know some people take offense to the word "casual" but that shouldn't be the case at all.
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smashcrashbash  +   744d ago
That is why we get games like RE6 and NG3 because you don't listen to the hardcore that you claim doesn't exist. Many times the casual game are the ones that don't care how the game is made or what horrible things are done to it because they don't have a clue but hardcore gamers are the ones who remember the essence of the games that the developers are so quick to change. But many times they cater to the casual or the people who don't get it,ignore the hardcore and turn the franchise into junk while they pretend that it is fine like this. We hardcore are trying to keep gaming awesome and the casual and indifferent are turn the other way and don't really care if the company turns it into mind numbing, stagnant crap.
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MeatAbstract  +   744d ago
Actually I think hardcore gamers would more than likely play RE6. That's because I see hardcore gamers that play anything that falls into their lap. They'll try nearly all types and overlook controls and graphics and if and when they finish, decide if it was worth it, memorable or whatever and move on. I know people that play all sorts of stuff I wouldn't go near.

In that respect, I wouldn't consider myself hardcore. I do put a lot of time into games but I am choosy, especially if you consider the choice thats out there.
smashcrashbash  +   744d ago
I am not denying that there are some hardcore like that who play anything and couldn't careless about the differences but the main problem lies in making the game assessable which in may cases seems to mean dumbing down or taking much of the challenge away from he game or making it into a clone of everything else. I am all for expanding your audience but not at the expense of turning the whole game inside out and losing the core essence of the game.

Not every casual is like that because some stills see the challenge in games but many of them are being payed attention too while they ignore the cries of people who dislike the direction the game is going who many times are the hardcore that everyone is so eager to ignore. We practically lost the whole survival motif of RE and now it is more like the mindless movies instead of the game we love.I agree long ago there was no casual or hardcore. Everyone played a game and there was no line. Mega Man was hard as hell and EVERYONE played it.But you have to admit that a line has been drawn between casual and hardcore.It shouldn't be there and developers should be listening to all sides.I wouldn't mind if they would stay on their side but it is starting to leak into other games e.g. motion controls and less challenging games. Hard mode isn't even that hard anymore.
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majiebeast  +   744d ago
There is a difference no doubt about it denying that is just foolish.
Bigpappy  +   744d ago
There is some overlap. But there are definitive differences. This kind of talk mostly comes from publishing companies. This is how money ends up hurting the industry. The people that have the money are the business execs. They do not have a clue about how to sell to gamers.
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Venox2008  +   744d ago
actually I think there are gamers and casual gamers
LiquidSword93  +   744d ago
I'm not casual or hardcore, I'm neither. I JUST LIKE GAMES. Do I have to be categorized?
R1CAN617  +   744d ago
Hardcore Gamer's to me are guys from Korea who play Starcraft
i think the appropriate word would be Avid Gamer.
thebudgetgamer  +   744d ago
I don't like people labeling what kind of gamer I am. I enjoy playing games like MGS or Halo, but I will also spend many hours playing Horse Frenzy on my phone.
isarai  +   744d ago
As a rookie game dev i can most certainly say they do. Casual and hardcore are the two most definitive aspects of the target audience you're aiming for. If they didn't exist publishers would be lost on who to target. this whole "Hardcore gamer doesn't exist" argument came from people abusing the word, and the casuals being butthurt by it.

by definition Hard Core is: a central or fundamental and usually enduring group or part as a militant or fiercely loyal faction

I wouldn't exactly call someone who casually plays smartphone games "Fiercely loyal" to gaming as a hobby. To that definition someone should want something to challenge them, keep the on their toes, something worth being loyal to. Someone that dedicated to something wouldn't want to have their hand held all the time, it starts to make you second guess your loyalty, hints the hardcore gamers aggravation at the current state of mainstream gaming.

I'm not saying either is bad, and i'm not saying we shouldn't have games for all audiences, but when you start to abandon the people who were there in the early days, and overlooking their wants and desires, things start to get hostile, and anger ensues which is why the hardcore veteran gamers are lashing out at casuals, i for one don't like it but i understand where they're coming from.

IMO what we need devs to start doing is create games that can be enjoyed by casual gamers, yet mastered by the hardcore. best example i can think of is Minecraft, anyone can jump in, learn the basics and build a fun experience. However put it in a hardcore gamers hands and you see amazingly grand houses, immensely complex machines, and insanely creative inventions.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy both, but there is a clear difference between audiences.
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ChunkyLover53  +   743d ago
People use the terms "hardcore" and "casual" for whatever suits their arguing needs.

When I was young gaming was a "kids" thing to do, now people are trying to label it something else, I do believe that there are different types of gamer's, as in what appeals to them, but I wouldn't try to really label any of them core or casual.

I know some people who buy and play nothing but sports games, they play them often and online and competitively, but they don't play any other games, are they core?

My mother plays Facebook games all day, but she also has a PS1/PS2 and a Wii, she loves Zelda and Mario games, but because she has a Wii and plays Facebook games people would try and label her casual.

I play a bit of everything, game competitively in my own clan, play Halo, Gears, COD, Battlefield, Madden, WWE and a ton of other games, but I also love Kinect and have like 20 Kinect titles, oh and I also dig the Facebook version of Sim City...try and label that bitches!
ShaunCameron  +   743d ago
Exactly. Video games especially console gaming was never as niche as a lot of gamers like to make it out to be. It was popular back then, but nowhere nearly as popular as it currently is.

<When I was young gaming was a "kids" thing to do, now people are trying to label it something else, I do believe that there are different types of gamer's, as in what appeals to them, but I wouldn't try to really label any of them core or casual.>

I don't why gamers have a hard time believing that there are people who buy consoles just for the sole purpose of playing sports games, shooter games and/or (insert most popular game of the day) if not for some of their multimedia capabilities.

<I know some people who buy and play nothing but sports games, they play them often and online and competitively, but they don't play any other games, are they core?>

SMH. Gamer insecurity at its finest.

<My mother plays Facebook games all day, but she also has a PS1/PS2 and a Wii, she loves Zelda and Mario games, but because she has a Wii and plays Facebook games people would try and label her casual.>
DigitalRaptor  +   743d ago
There is a distinct difference, and I'll waste no time repeating what has already been said above.

My definition of the most hardcore gamer, is one that has interest and care for state of the industry itself, the developers and fellow gamers. The ones that are not afraid to call out the BS when a developer or publisher does something they are not happy with. e.g. would Mass Effect 3 had even got an extended ending if the people hadn't risen and expressed themselves?

They are the ones that keep up with gaming news, visit these sites to discuss the games they love to play. They play lots of games on a regular basis and are also welcome of new ideas and not scared to put their money down on that new idea. They appreciate the rich heritage of games and consoles past and still play those games from 2-3 generations ago or older. They are the ones that developers should be listening to the most, but are oft ignored for the casual gamers who line up for something that they wouldn't be interested in unless it were advertised or their friends were all doing it.
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mananimal  +   743d ago
F U!, Yes they do, Your Indoctrination has no affect on the TRUTH.

You, THE INDUSTRY, u greedy, Lazy, Lying A__holes Dont want there to be a difference, u want all gamers to buy whatver SHOVELWARE Crapola game u decide to make.

Screw You Game Industry!, May the horse you ride on get Leprosy & buck you off head 1st into a Tree. lol

PS- how's that for TROLL'n ? lol
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ShaunCameron  +   742d ago
Actually they do exist. It's just that right now the industry is focusing on winning the casual audience because it needs new blood to keep it going. After all today's casual might end up being tomorrow's hardcore. The current hardcore audience is not gonna be around forever when adult life really sets in on them (work and family obligations, aging).

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