Submitted by Argus9 973d ago | opinion piece

New Xbox Live MyAchievements Program a Ruse?

Argus9: "You may have heard recently that Microsoft updated its Xbox Live Rewards program to offer gamers discounts on content from the XBox Live Marketplace. It's a nice idea, but in my opinion, a complete ruse on Microsoft's part." (Microsoft, Xbox 360)

claud3  +   973d ago
Lies as I said and a joke
Argus9  +   973d ago
Yeah, I saw your comment in the report about the program. I don't see why they couldn't make it, you know, worth it for the consumer to be a member. As it stands, it's at best a "yeah, sure, why not" program. At worst, it's a money scheme.
darthv72  +   973d ago
I earn points..
by using bing for web searches as well as answering a few questions a month. It doesnt take much but I get MS points in return.

I do the same with earning nintendo coins on rating different games I play. If this is what these companies do in return for my part then...no worries.

edit: "You must have and maintain an eligible Xbox LIVE Gold membership and the applicable Gamerscore for the appropriate tier by the first of every month in order to be eligible."

That is an interesting bullet point. Especially considering that the gamerscore never goes down.

"And here is where the ruse lies: in order to get that kind of a GamerScore, somebody is going to have to play a lot of games, and therefore, buy a lot of games."

Since when is playing lots of games a BAD thing? Im pretty sure many use rental services or swap games with friends and can get their score up without having to "buy a lot of games".
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TekoIie  +   973d ago
Why are we complaining exactly? Isnt this just an added bonus? 2% is near worthless but i would rather save that measly 2% on whatever I get the opportunity I can than simply pay full price.
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TekoIie  +   973d ago
Thought i would also add something. The problem the article attempts to bring up is kind of well... desperate. Heres the quote from the TOS:

"** You must have and maintain an eligible Xbox LIVE Gold membership and the applicable Gamerscore for the appropriate tier by the first of every month in order to be eligible. Limit:Up to 30,000 Microsoft Points can be earned per account for the entire Offer Period."

I dont find anything wrong with that tbh. All it says is that you need an XBL account (duh), gold membership (from the beginning of a month to take advantage of this) and the appropriate amount of achievements and that only 30,000 MS points can be earned in total...

If your spending enough money to get 30,000 MS points back then i envy the size of your wallet.

Simple math 30,000 MS points = $500 based off prices on Xbox website which means i think you would have to spend a total of $50,000 to get that $500.
Argus9  +   973d ago
Thanks for your interest Pekolie. Let me elaborate a bit on what I meant by that: I felt the fine print was a bit ambiguous. To me it sounded like it wouldn't start counting your GamerScore until you signed up for the rewards program, after which it would start tracking any GamerScore you earn from there on. It wasn't until I checked the heading at the top of the page before I realized it would count it retroactively. Confusing fine print, what else is new?
ALLWRONG  +   973d ago
Only people complaining here are Playstation fanboys. If Sony had done it first they would all be saying how great it is.
claud3  +   973d ago
Its all smokes and mirrors mate. And never believe when money is involved
iamnsuperman  +   973d ago
I do not think people are going to "fall for this" because it isn't like offering you 10% which seems a lot but it is offering you a maximum of 2% which seems (and is in a way) extremely small. Now the birthday gift might entise people until you read the finer print. But then again how may people really read them
NYC_Gamer  +   973d ago
MS is full of crap with this reward non sense
ChunkyLover53  +   973d ago
Well this is N4G, unless its Sony giving people things, its a bad thing!

Seriously though, I think this is a nice little option, especially for those of use that play a lot of games. I also complete the survey each month and do Bing searches and get about 400-500 MS Points a week that way. I guess that's been a ruse too /S
Shadonic  +   973d ago
Its a nice option but its SO late in the game. I remember reading an article about them possibly doing this when achivments were first introduced and now they implament this during the whole next gen fiasco. They could possibly be test running the idea.
ChunkyLover53  +   973d ago
Whats wrong with testing something for next gen? Achievements will carry over, so will this. Its only an option. Microsoft has actually done some really nice things, especially this year. I've gotten 3 or 4 free games from them, free MS Points via surveys and Bing searches. Its helped me get The Walking Dead games for nothing.

They have had Avatar Awards in games for years now, there is really a ton of content. I don't see how anyone could complain about this, or any positive news.
darthv72  +   973d ago
"Its a nice option but its SO late in the game" If you are referring to timing of such an offer. Its not late at all. The live marketplace is being made available to not only the 360 but pc and mobile devices as well.

The points you earn can be used for any marketplace content not just 360.

Now if your comment is relating to the 360 then again it isnt late. The next platform is almost upon us and this is something they are putting in place now to be a solid piece of the live service as the next generation of windows/phones/consoles come out.

You must not have been an original live member? To have seen where it started to where it is and understand the growth in between. If you were, my apologies.
Argus9  +   973d ago
@Chunky: My article refers to the new MyAchievements program specifically. I'm glad the original rewards program was started, because I feel that's a legitimate benefit to Microsoft's customers. But come on. 2% discounts and a gift worth 20 cents on your birthday? I mean why even bother? You can be neutral about that at best. That's like if you boss told you, "You've worked here for 5 years, so I'm going to add an extra $1.20 to your paychecks every month." I mean, thanks? But really, what does that do?

Why would Microsoft go through the effort to think up a new rewards system that barely benefits the customer if not to hope for some return for it?
jetlian  +   973d ago
if its 2 percent including everything thats not a bad deal if your a big spender.with forza 50 dollar season pass cod 50 dollars, bf etc. And whoever else its not hard to spend over 1-2 hundread a year.

And ms has random months were they give 5 percent back(feb 2012) so if it adds 2 percent its not that bad moreso because you dont have to do anything.
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ALLWRONG  +   973d ago
Well said ChunkyLover53. Sony didn't think of it first, and I think that's what pisses them off. As soon as Sony copies it they will all say how innovative it is.
Belking  +   973d ago
Its a little but better than nothing and still beats PS plus.
Tres21  +   973d ago
i usually play xbox & i agree its better than nothing since im only a 2000 off the 2% but better than ps + uhhh dont kno about that i dont hav it but i been tempted from all the free games had i not got those walking deads on xbox i would of def got + for them alone
Argus9  +   973d ago
Tres took the words right out of my mouth. I'm sorry, but as far as rewards programs go, Sony has Microsoft beat. Sure, it's $5 a month, but you get such a return on that it's not even close. Free games every month, tons of discounts and free avatars and themes all the time. if you buy just one discounted game after signing up your first month, it's already paid for itself.

If you still say MyAchievements beats PS Plus, you clearly just haven't seen it from the other side of the fence.
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OneAboveAll  +   973d ago
I love the XBL Rewards program. So far i'v earned 1100MSP. Can't argue with free.

I have 62,000 Gamerscore. So go me. I'm a Legend.
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WiiLovePS360  +   973d ago
I'm sorry but this article is one of the biggest over reactions that I've seen on the Internet.

No one is going to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on games so they can save 2%. People aren't that stupid.

In my case, I signed up and straight away I have 2% rebate. Don't need to spend a cent.
urwifeminder  +   973d ago
Ill join thanks ms i have a 115,000 gs give me the world .
Argus9  +   973d ago
This is my last bubble so I'm going to try to do an umbrella explanation. Hopefully I address everything in this comment; if not, anything goes after this.

For anyone who didn't bother reading my article: I'm referring to the *new* MyAchievements system. The original rewards system MS started is great, I love it, and I think it's a nice gesture to their customers. I'm not saying anything against that, so *please* stop bringing that up as a retort, it's irrelevant and doesn't hold water.

But the new MyAchievements program is barely worth it for anyone involved. Let's break it down a bit so you can see just what that extra 2% is getting you, MasterCard style:
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Avatar costume (complete): 320 MS Points. After discount: 313.8 Points.

Avatar Prop: 80 MS Points. After discount: 78.4 Points.

Geometry Wars Evolved: 400 MS Points. After discount: 392 points.

Borderlands 2 Season Pass: 2400 MS Points. After discount: 2352 MS Points.

That face when you realize Microsoft copped out on the idea of giving rewards based on GamerScore: Priceless.
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So not only are the discounts meager at best, but given the fact you have to buy MS points in fixed increments, the amount of points you'd need to spend to reach one of these denominations is pretty high. IIRC the smallest batch of MS points you can buy is 400. Assuming the discounts you get, you'd need to buy 250 props, 63 Avatar costumes, 50 copies of Geometry Wars Evolved, and 9 Borderlands 2 Season Passes to get one bundle of 400 points for free. Double those amounts if you only get the 1% discount.
It's awkward. I mean is MS doing something for you? Technically, yes. Do you see any practical return from a 2% discount? Not really. So why do it in the first place? And don't say "to show appreciation for their customers" - they already did that with their original rewards program. This is just an empty gesture.

Finally, any future comparisons to PlayStation Plus are totally moot. You may get an impractical discount for free, but my $5 monthly subscription gets me one or two free games every month (and 12(!) of them last June), 25-50% discounts on popular game titles every week, tons of free avatars and themes, and access to beta events and pre-order discounts. So let's just keep PS+ bashing off the table. It's not favoritism, you just get so much more for such a small investment.

That's it. Hopefully I covered everything. Go nuts, everyone!
WiiLovePS360  +   971d ago
"But the new MyAchievements program is barely worth it for anyone involved"

How can something that doesn't require you to do anything be "barely worth it"? It's quite simple - if you buy anything from any Xbox Marketplace, be it on Windows Phone, Windows 8, or Xbox, you get 1% or 2% of the cost back. You don't have to fill out any forms, you don't have to pay a yearly fee - you just get a discount because you have got achievements adding up to a certain amount.

Your article comes off as Microsoft bashing any way you look at it. They're giving people discounts for having played lots of games, yet you are complaining because the discount isn't enough for your liking? Very childish and immature.
Killman  +   973d ago
Meh, I am unexcited about this to say the least, but I won't complain. I can just go about as normal, but with a tiny discount so no harm done.

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