PSPSPS.tv reckons that Europe has been given a rough ride by Sony over the past year. Is really that bad or is it time for things to change?
I hate title, it is so anti Sony and fanboyish
SONY products are really really well made in the world of electronics.
Whether it's TV's, Cd players, DVD, Blu-ray, or games.
When you buy one it lasts.
Other companies don't have the same quailty control and break.
before the playstaion , my dad always told me to get sony ,,it last forever and tell me there products doesnt look good ...
Yeah, those PS1s where you had to tilt it on it's side for it to work, or those PS2s with the defective DVD drive, or even those defective Sony laptops that would spontaneously explode. That sure is some high quality stuff right there. Yes let's all just ignore Sony's faults and just focus on Microsoft's RROD. Face it, it's impossible for ALL of one companies products to be fail proof. It happens with Sony, Microsoft, Mattel (lead poisoning), etc.
yes but a under 5% failure rates is normal. 30% IS NOT!!! 30% is unforgiveable.
And if you do get a working Sony product it lasts forever, my PS2 still works today as the day I bought it and I bought it like 6-7 years ago. I never even cleaned it. I'm spoiled dirty kid. And my PS1's laser kinda went bad, but only after 10 years of use!
you have a point. i have said this many times about sony products such as problems with the ps1,ps2,and laptop and the batteries exploding. but as i realized is that it only falls on deaths ears. because fanboys and games site deny it was a major problem. yet post endless threads about the 360. now i not said the that RROD isn't bad. but lets be fair here. sony just started making a reliable product with the ps3.
PS. for the guy that said it's only 5% of ps2 that suffered with the dre problem. sony never to this day. ever admitted to the failure rate of the ps1 or ps2. so where do you get 5%.
I disagree, all companies treat us like this. Plus now the situation isn't as half as bad as it used to be. Sony giving US region Free games is a god send and they aren't praised enough for that
what a loosers!! they couldnt find anything negative so they made this story! everyone knows europe way or distributing and taxes and everything is so much different than USA and JAP, and they have multilanguages to consider and many different regions and countries to consider, thats why always they get things later! europe is a continent not a country thats what americans keep forgetting!
People also forget that PAL games have to be configred for 570i not 480i and the age rating system takes longer over here.
<sarcasm><p>Yes because Sony is the ONLY company that treats Europeans this way. <br> Shame on you Sony! </sarcasm> </p>
Content takes longer.... Patches Take Longer.... Releases Take Longer - Its all due to the EU Rating system ombined with the Incompetence of Sony Europe. Its all down to the Bureaucratic nonsense that is set inplace, things need to be streamlined so to prevent these pointless and damaging delays. I`ve said it before for a long, long time, PS3 is being kept alive due to the European Market. Isn`t it time Sony Treated Europe with the same love, if not more than the Wobbling PS3 American Market!
why is Europe still Sony’s b!tch? Question should be: Why does Europe hates M$?
Europeans like Japanese made products. Sony has been reliably for the last 30 years but you need to be careful on new technology or you will end up with a betamax.
MS has a bad reputation in Europe. Monopoles or owner of a largest market segment depending on your opinion.
MS work ethic the "Do as I say or your fired" which is like most American firms are like and are right wing approach.
European firms are more lift wing with Trade Unions talk to the managers and all employees are covered under them. It is law for managers to accept them in most countries.
It is believed the profit drive of MS and other US companies are against the well treated employees and profit not being the main concern the welfare of the employee is.
IMO, I think sony europe is just a unorganised mess.
I have a US psn so Im good for demos, and the ps3 is region free so importing games is easy and alot more legal then last gen.
Because Playstation 3 is TEH best?
someones got PMT!
... how gamers in the EU are treated.
We pay the most for the games and consoles. We are very often left out of the cool stuff. And we also often have to wait extra long to get games and other crap, like the new PS3 controllers.
75 EURO (over 100 dollars) for Uncharted! (!!!)
I do hope that all the euro gamers will remember how Sony has treated them, when the console gets cracked and it will be possible to mod it.
I'm serious. I'm usually against modding etc, but when companies treat their costumers this bad (not just Sony, but Microsoft as well), they dont DESERVE loyalty.
They need to bring prices down to an acceptable level, where we pay roughly the same as the people in other parts of the world!
70-75 EURO (!) is just not acceptable.
sony we uk gamers have stuck by you through the storm (notibly the rough year of 2007)
reward us for our loyalty, we understand your mainly based in japan but your products reach far and wide!
prices need to be reviewed and i for one am sick of tired of always getting products released here last.
our moneys just as good,well that obviously shows because you like to charge us more!
we are 1st class citizens remember that
im from the UK and proud
I love your product, but i can't understand the long wait in this day and age.
Its been about 2 months between when UT3 came out in US till when it came out in the UK. Why?...is it just the PAL issues?
Where the hell is Pain?....or is the pain in the waiting?
Maybe if they gave a little info as to why there are these delays i might understand more...but we're talking months here some times.
i hate paying $60 U.S. dollars for games. hearing you get charged about $100 U.S. for uncharted, which is $59.99 down the street from me...... damn that blows im sorry to hear it. Can Europeans order from the U.S. or online retailers for cheaper? It can be a pain waiting for a game to be delivered, but saving a bunch of money is worth it. man they best recognize who's buying their stuff! ; the ps3 has been alot cheaper in japan for a long time now, they made a japan-only price cut before launch i remember. i know Microsoft doesnt do the same thing with us Americans, and seeing preferential treatment like that to a companys home territory doesnt rub the consumer very well.
...but it is a bit of a pain, cause when customs get a hold of them, you must pay taxes and some other extra costs which are totally ridiculous.
The European gamers just get screwed over, which is why I hope that when the PS3 gets hacked, the customers will bite Sony right back in their ass.
Like I said before, I am against piracy etc, and I have a whole room full of dvd's and games to proof it, but when companies are ripping you off, the gloves come off and loyalty goes out the window.
I paid roughly £35 for COD4 and UC before xmas which in Dollars is ~$68. Importing is only worth while if the game isn't out over here and has to be under £40 to avoid import tax. But seeing that I'm a Brit I know all about patiance and would rather buy games here than import. The only thing I've imported was a DS3 only because there is no release date on the horizon for the EU or NA.
Some parts of europe are cool but some of you are being slapped like 2nd class hoes. You "WAIT" longer than your american PS3 owners.
Sony always screwed Europe... nothing new.
so many desagree's...
the console is more expensive and games are more expensive...and so many desagree's... lol... stupid blind fan-babies
considering he has no idea what he's talking about and making himself more like a moron then ever.
Sony's not to blame kids.
Europe is not a Country. It is a collection of many countries with unique guidelines for online content. “if Sony doesn’t actually care where you are when you download its PSN content, why bother holding it back from other regions?” The author didn’t realize that he answered his own question. Sony doesn’t care if PS3 owners download content from the Japan Store, U.S. Store, or European store, but they are mandated by law to have all content for each regional store approved beforehand. It’s the reason they don’t go out and punish users who do download content off of the international servers.
My heart goes out to you. Really, you deserve to be treated as well as we here in the U.S. and Sony should step up and show some appreciation.
I love my PS3. It has been very good to me. The company behind it should make sure the console is equally good to everyone else.
... but the ridiculous price of both the console as well as the games, plus the fact the proper joypads arent here yet, is keeping me from buying one.
F**K that title. I buy Ps3 because It's the best. It doesn't break like 360 and I'm looking for a training console (Wii). I want games like FF, MGS, Home(not a game but probably FUN!) and LBP and so on. We in Sweden get games like 3-4 days after US and I say so what? I can wait a couple of days and I can import if I want to so not a problem.
3 or 4 days is no problem.....but 2 months for UT3 to come over???
I know some of that was licencing and some PAL issues, but its a long wait.
If it was just one game, I'd get over it.
Most die hard or educated gamers know to own both an Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 or just an Xbox 360. America is the Largest market in the world. What happens in America carries over to Europe. In The United States, the Playstation 3 has sold less than 4 Million Systems. The bulk of 3rd Party (and Even 1st party) Software doesn't move or it doesn't move at the same rate as Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, DS, etc. In Japan the PS3 is only at 1.8 million units. That doesn't far well for the Rest of the world. As a gamers only system, the PS3 isn't great. As a secondary system, it's fine for those one or two exclusives a year. In the End, 95% of PS3's game library are on Xbox 360 (and arguably better). Xbox 360 simply has more games and isn't as expensive in every sense of the word.
How does it carry into Europe? The PS3 install base in the EU is over 4 million and higher than NA. 95% of current games? Don't think you realize how many exclusive games the PS3 has this year, not to mention Sony owns more developers than M$ and Nintendo combined. And games like Burnout are only trailing 10k units behind the 360 version, while games like COD4 and Assassin's have a better attach ratio on the PS3 than the 360. And last I checked, the PS3 outsold the 360 in 2007.
you are really uneducated. bubbles -
rofldings, how are games not carried over to Europe? Europe is never first on the list, they are last. After America, After Japan, there's Europe. Who got Playstation 3 last? Europe is a pain in the ass for Developers because everything has to be localized in 6 different languages. Games are made with Japan or America in mind. Europe is always an after thought. It never surprises me when I hear that Europe finally got a game Americans got 3 years earlier. With Xbox 360, Europeans got the same priority as Americans. Microsoft treated you equally as important as America. Sony though so much of Europe that they made sure you were last priority. Now that the European consumer or fanboy is the only group sucking on Sony's titty, they are giving you a little priority since the rest of the world doesn't care about PS3.
Games? All you said was: "What happens in America carries over to Europe." - which sounds like you're comparing sales. It still doesn't change that you're wrong about the 360 having 95% of the PS3's titles this year, it doesn't. And you're saying because games are made with the US & Japan in mind, that's somehow Sony's fault? Not the people who created the game? If M$ gives such priority to all its regions why are games such as Lost Odyssey, etc not out in EU and US yet, but in Japan over 2 months ago?
I said that in the end that 95% of the Playstation 3's game library are on Xbox 360. Meaning that you can go to the store right now and count the 5 games that aren't on Xbox 360. As for Lost Odyssey, Any JRPG that comes out only a few months after its Japanese Release is a Miracle. Square Enix usually released their western renditions of their JRPG years after they've been released in Japan.
Heh. And now it's Square's fault? It's published by Microsoft Game Studios... Why isn't M$ rushing it to EU and US? Yet when UT3 takes 2 months to release in EU, it's Sony's fault?
Sometimes Sony hurt them selves with the delay just like Lair, but I think most of the problems are out of their hands, but I noticed that some times things get to Europe 1st, like some demos and more PS1 games, that might be a good start. But it sucks that they want to sell only the 40 Gig model.
The wholes world must be a b**** to sony because ps2 is a monster...and now the up and comming DS
Microsoft treats the 15 people who own a 360 in Japan better than Sony treats the 4 million who own a PS3 in the EU.
I wouldn't say they're that bad. Sony have gave me a fair amount of free stuff that I'm not sure the US got. But I'd still say those in NA were better off that us for games etc.
mmmmmm ... Flamebait...
As an European PS3-owner, it is kind of hard to admit that what the guy in the article is writing is true. But it is. A few months ago we had to pay much more than Americans for a product that wasn't as good (lack of EE-chip). A PS3 in Sweden cost 6000skr. That is 900$!. Now the EE-chip is gone in US too, but our PS3 still costs way more. And the delayed games are annoying, but something Europeans have grown used to. However the delays on PSN are just ridiculous, and there's no reason for them what so ever. As the author wrote, all PSN stores should have the same content. And all those competitions and stuff on blog.playstation.com that we never get to take part of because it's "for NA residents only".. I still love my PS3, and I never regretted buying it, but I do feel like Sony has treated me poorly. And people defending Sony on this are nothing more than fanboys. Edit: Well if you're going to disagree, at least point out where I'm wrong. Can you?
COMPLETELY AGREE BUD - BUBBLES FOR YOU It is a sad day when one of the biggest markets for the PS3 gets treated like second class citizens - while the same PAL converssion/localisation arguments are thrown about, it can be solved easily - a vast majority of Europeans speak english fluently, so could'nt they release an english only version? Or how about working of the localisation as the main game is developed? It has to be done anyway, why not do it simultanoeously? The EU store is crap, the release schedule is crap - where the hell is UT3? I love my PS3 just as much as I love my Wii and 360, but this is annoying. BUT Nintendo does the same too - it took 6 months for the Wii conversion of Trauma Centre!!!
Disagreed. Europeans aren't going to settle for a lesser piece of hardware just because they feel like they were treated unfairly. They recognize that the PS3 is incredible tech at a great value and I am sure that is why they are all over it, as is Japan.
'Bout time it caught on. PS3rd FTW!!!
European's aren't Sony's b*tch. They are just smart enough to recognize a superior piece of electronic equipment at a great value.
If you look at the sales data, Xbox360 is only doing good in America. I live in America and I see the ignorance all around me.
I think Sony is treating Europe much better than before. And don't forget, Nintendo's treatment of Europe is much worse.
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