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Submitted by Theyellowflash30 1236d ago | opinion piece

It's Time Sony Proves The PS3+Vita Can Do Everything The Wii U Does.

Since the Wii U has been announced, Sony has been quick to state the PS3 and Vita together, can do everything the Wii U can do. To add to this, Sony fans have backed those claims on forums and websites across the web with little to no evidence. While this may be true, Sony really hasn't shown us anything to the level Nintendo is doing with Wii U. (Industry, Nintendo, PS Vita, PS3, Sony, Wii U)

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Hatsune-Miku  +   1236d ago
Marvel vs capcom 3, lbp, wipeout , motorstorm and a few others with more coming. There was a patch to use your vita as a controller for ps3
Theyellowflash30  +   1236d ago
There are drawbacks to each one of those games that make the functionally not as good as the Wii U. Especially Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3.

Patches are never as good as built in functionality. And the users have complained of Remote play lag with the PS3+Vita combo.

Not only that, you only mentioned 4 games. Wii U has 23 launch titles that all use the Gamepad and far more on the way.
blitz0623  +   1236d ago
Why is this an issue? All Sony said was that the PS3 and Vita can do what the Wii U does. They weren't lying.

It's just that the Wii U does everything BETTER because it IS what the Wii U is all about. The PS3-Vita combo is just an added optional functionality that's not even polished. The Wii U is all about using a controller with its own screen.

Anyone who says the PS3-Vita combo is just as good as the Wii U is in denial. I'm not even sure why fanboys can get butthurt over this. The PS3 and Vita aren't meant to be like the Wii U and its gamepads anyway.
Hisiru  +   1236d ago
The only game you listed that is really trying to do what the WiiU does is Little Big Planet.
sikbeta  +   1236d ago

you pointed out what's wrong with these PS3<->Vita connectivity thing, in order to use your Vita with your PS3 game, you need a patch, sure First Parties can do it, but you can't expect every game to get a patch in order to use it with Vita.

And even then, a PS3+Vita is more expensive than a Wii-U

Though one of the guys in the PSMobile community did it already

It's not complete and if it works like charm (don't think so) you don't know IF Sony will actually allow it.
gaffyh  +   1235d ago
It should be able to do almost everything, apart from anything which requires IR functionality, like TV remote control. However, it all depends on whether anyone develops anything for it, which they probably won't (except for Sony obviously) because it is not a forced pairing like Wii U. For example, the Xbox 360 came with a headset, and as such almost everyone talks over Live. PS3 didn't, and because of that, very few people talk on PSN.
Venox2008  +   1236d ago
people like you, just don't understand... it's more in Wii U than a remote play or other features shown from Sony.. we have to wait and see that in a future..
chadboban  +   1236d ago
I think we really need to wait and see how Sony supports this functionality not only with the PS3, but with the upcoming PS4. I mean you have to look at things like

Will all games require a vita copy of the game as well to obtain this functionality?
Will cross-buy be suppported by all games that have this functionality?
Will third parties invest in this feature or will they ignore it if it costs too much?
Will consumers buy a Vita for this feature?
Will this functionality play an even bigger part in the PS4 than the PS3?

I'm quite interested to see how this all turns out and see how Sony can actually make this work.
r1sh12  +   1236d ago
I dont know why anyone would use the vita as the ps3 controller over the actual ps3 controller (Unless their controller is lost, stolen or damaged lol).

I get that a game can be continued on the go - THat makes sense.

Im with Chadboban on this, it will be interesting to see where Sony go with the vita/ps3/ps4 use.
But if its meant for more integration with the ps4 then why release it now?
I can see sony making an ecosystem like Apple, and recently MS and android.
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sikbeta  +   1235d ago
"I get that a game can be continued on the go - THat makes sense"

This is exactly what Vita has the U-controller cannot replicate, being a separate system, it can be used anywhere with an internet connection, so it'd be awesome to play a game on your PS3 @ home and then keep going with it in another place.

This kind of functionality is way ahead of its time though, wi-fi and ISPs don't allow it atm, but in the future could be the standard.
r1sh12  +   1235d ago

I agree with your point to an extent but should the vita be the hardware that carries on integration with the ps4 then why have sony releasd it now?
Thats my main concern, you would want hardware that accomdates with the ps4 (assuming the vita is supposed to function in that way).
Oldish hardware is just annoying to work with, and maybe a 'vita2' may be released with the ps4.
Its a bit of a confusing strategy.
With the way everything is heading to the cloud nintendo could have made a great call to invest early and start getting some functionality.

Its an interesting time we are in, because processors are actually not getting more powerful (hence dual/quad core etc..) due to the number of transistors on the chips.
Cloud is going to be the future, its just a matter of when.
yabhero  +   1235d ago
WiiU is essentially cheaper PS3= Vita combo with a better GPU, a BETTER CPU that's CLOCKED A BIT SLOWER (understand the difference people),8x as much total RAM, dedicated support and no lag...
Same thing right guys?
herbs  +   1235d ago
Yabhero speaks the truth. You cant explain the facts any better than that :}
Hicken  +   1235d ago
It WOULD be the same thing, if you could take the Wii U controller everywhere and use it as a standalone system.

Not gonna say that the Wii U isn't more powerful, but I think the versatility nod still goes to the PS3/Vita duo, since they're two systems that can work together or separately, as opposed to the Wii U and its controller being dependent upon each other.
yabhero  +   1235d ago
6 agrees from sane people, 6 disagrees from people who are hating because the know I'm right=
+12 points
Muerte2494  +   1235d ago
Ps3 can....
play blu-rays and dvd. Can the Wii U do that?
ChickeyCantor  +   1235d ago
It got a TV function with integrated social networking. Does PS3 have that?
( I don't care for neither, but that shouldn't really be criticism towards the Wii-U)
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Theyellowflash30  +   1235d ago
Has nothing to do with the topic. I got 2 Blue ray players that came with TV's I purchased. This isn't 2006, Blue Ray players are cheap and all over the place
donman1  +   1235d ago
Latency problems alone is enough of a reason why Sony cannot duplicate the experience that the Wii U and the controller can do. Wii U did COD on the controller with zero latency. That is the gold stamp in performance at this point.
mewhy32  +   1235d ago
well it probably can. But the wii u does it without having to buy anything additional for it. If you have a 299.99 ps3 you'll also have to buy a 249.99 vita to do the same thing that a 299.99 wii u can do. Not me.
LX-General-Kaos  +   1236d ago
This article is pretty spot on, and informative.

The true duplication of the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system tablet like control functions remain to be seen. It only takes a couple of minutes of research to see that the capabilities of Nintendo's next generation game pad innovations are far more advanced then what's currently available on the market today. It can almost be labeled as factual at this point. If you feel that you can debate that, then by all means go for it. Let the debate begin.

Rated E For Everyone
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DragonKnight  +   1236d ago
I question only one thing, and that is how you have 6 Bubbles.
vortis  +   1236d ago
Bubble boost brigade, perhaps?

OT: the Wii U's main gimmick is the interactivity between the GamePad and system, and since that wasn't what the PS3 was built for or the PSV, I don't see why people would even suggest that it's going to be a comparable feature to the Wii U. It's like fanboy talk as far as logic goes.
zebramocha  +   1236d ago
@vortis I think people are comparing the overall features to wiiu than the specific functionality of either system.
Blankman85  +   1236d ago
Because unlike most round these parts, Kaos praises his console maker of choice without ever once saying anything negative bout the other consoles. And that is why he has my respect.
Biggest  +   1236d ago
Did I miss the part where the WiiU is going to have full retail games on the gamepad only? Not that it matters. . . The PS3 is old. The WiiU is unreleased. Why would the PS3 need to prove anything to a new system? The more important point to be proved is that the WiiU is more than a gimmick and more than a HD shovelware platform. The Wii started with a strong push toward core gaming and quickly transitioned into the #1 choice for "The View" watchers. Hopefully the WiiU is more than the GameCube and Wii were.
DragonKnight  +   1235d ago
@vortis: Probably.
@Ndivhu: You seem to be blind to subtlety.
ALLWRONG  +   1235d ago
Sony needs to prove it because they said it. Put you money where you mouth is.
Qrphe  +   1236d ago
Duplication? Weren't the Vita+PS3 capabilities announced a day before the Wii U announcement?

Regardless, let's be honest, as far as capabilities go, the PS3+Vita combo could do pretty much anything the Wii U can do. But to be fair, it does lack TVii.

If the Wii U is very successful, we'd see another situation similar to the Wii where Sony and Microsoft tried to jump into motion controls albeit late. This time around Sony would not be late at all but just in time.
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kneon  +   1235d ago
Actually the PS3+Vita could do more than the Wii U because the Vita can run it's own code. They are two independent yet complete systems working together. The Wii U gamepad relies on the console for everything so it has more limitations.
rainslacker  +   1235d ago
In the end it will only matter if developers support this kind of functionality on the PS3-4/Vita. They may not see the need to. However if it's a port then it could be nothing to add it in for both systems, and likely smartglass.

Sony has a history of making statements long before they have much to show for it. Then they back off those statements and the developer support never really shows up. I don't know if it's because Sony doesn't push it internally or to 3rd parties, or if there is just a complete lack of interest on either Sony or 3rd party developers part.

Their statement, and the lbp demo did seem like it was attempting to take some of the wind out of the Wii U's announcement, which is understandable with the holiday coming up.

The only thing I wasn't sure of was if this combo would support the motion control support the Wii U has with it's sensor bar. I suppose it could be added using the Vita's built in camera...similar to the way the old light guns used to work.

Ultimately though, while it's not hard to see how the two systems could do the exact same thing for a majority of gameplay experiences, it doesn't mean that it will. Unless Sony pushes hard for this kind of integration it will likely just be an afterthought to developers, or a nifty feature for some PS3/4 games.
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LX-General-Kaos  +   1235d ago
You pretty much answered all of the questions I would have came up with for me. After what I had seen with the LBP demo, and some other talked about features with the combo. It became quite clear to me that nothing in this current generation will truly duplicate the offerings that come standard with the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system tablet control functions. I honestly dont feel that the LBP demo (while nice in its own right) even scratched the surface of what is possible with the Nintendo game pad.

Just take 5 minutes out of your day and research the game pad. Watch a couple of youtube videos. You will clearly see that it is unarguably much more advanced feature rich tech.

At this point in time it is clear to see that a lot of supporters of competing platforms have a lot of pride and just dont want to admit that a different brand is releasing a platform that is more advanced than their platform of choice. This debate looks pointless from what I have seen in this comment section. Until Sony proves that the PS3/Vita combo can outclass Nintendos innovative offerings. There is not much else to say. Now we just play the waiting game.

If Sony proves me wrong with what I believe to be a false claim, I will be around to admit it with no problem.

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yewles1  +   1236d ago
There's really not more to it. The Wii U cloud streams all the extra game data into the controller, because the Wii U has all those resources. The Vita/PS3 combo accomplish their task by "cheating" if you will... since the PS3 doesn't have the amount of resources that the Wii U has, it's up to the Vita to alleviate the stress by rendering it's own assets to coincide with the PS3's game data.

Here's Little Big Planet

Now look at this WipeOut comparison

This is what happens when you utilize cross-play. BTW, cross-play utilizes both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth simultaneously.
Teflon02  +   1235d ago
Wow, what a imagination, you talk like that was smart, but fact is!!
WipEout 2048 is it's own game entirely with the ability to have the whole PS3 title in the game. You people seem to get "Cross Play" & "Cross Control" confused. As well as Remote Play (not RP in your case).
Cross Play - The ability to play a Multiplatform game together across multiple platforms. Examples WipEout HD+ Fury (PS3)/ WipEout 2048 (PSV), PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale (PS3/PSV), Street Fighter X Tekken (PS3/PSV), DCUO (PS3/PC), PSO2 (PSV/PC). You see what I mean? All those are separated games for 2 different gaming devices, whether PS3/PSV/PC etc. But they can play together.
Cross Control - The ability to use the PS Vita as a subsitute controller for PS3 to take advantage of All it's extra abilities to add to your gaming experience, LBP2 (no Vita game Needed) can use the Vita the EXACT WAY Nintendo presented Wii U. Not that it can top Wii U in performance. But also I want to know What is your problem? So what if vita's power helps them work together, Wii U I'm sure used atleast a GB of the RAM for Video transfer.
Now some fun facts.
Wii U tablet is only 480p resolution, meaning PSV has a higher res.
Wii U tablet can fully multitask while in game from my understanding. Ps3 can't do that much on RP
Wii U tablet has a crappy pressure single touch Pad like DS/3DS, PSV has a heat sensor multitouch Pad as well as a multitouch back panel
Wii U should be alot faster then PS3 as PS V is definitely with no question faster and smoother then PS3 even while Party Chatting, Playing LBPV online with friends, while playing music and on twitter all at the same time! Yes PSV can do that all at once, you can also do it all with PS1/PSP but music will stop and games sound will play. All that can be done with no frame drop or lag, I know, cause I did it last week with LBP/MegamanMHX/FFVII.
Wii U has the ability to one up Sony because it's newer tech.
BUT all besides the point, because PS3 released 2006, the fact it can still be this relevant is amazing on Sony's part.
It's the truth. BTW I never get lag on RP on my vita sinde update 1.80+
chukamachine  +   1236d ago
Some features will be possible on vita/ps3. But tbh why does anyone care. I think having a controller with a screen is stupid.

You buy a vita to play games on it, not for cross play. If it happens the game you want to play has it, fine.
Teflon02  +   1235d ago
But that's the point. I want Cross Play in most things I want, PSABR, Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, SFxT etc. and like on Wii U Cross Control is promising for only certain games like Sly where you gam take your vita and look at your TV and all the treasure close by glows. Or in LBP, where Back and front touch can be added, or just simple things like guacamelee where it shows you a map and so on. BTW you answered your question lol. PPL don't beg unless it releases a game for both PS3/PSV cause it might as well play together, example Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault. Once they heard of the vita version, what was the first question? Does it have cross play between PS3/PSV? It's just a nice way to unify PS products.
Moonman  +   1236d ago
It's all about doing it well, simply doing it isn't enough. It must function in a seamless way that you don't even worry about it when playing.
StrawHatPatriot  +   1236d ago
It can't. The PS3 Vita cross play needs the $250 Vita that needs its own separate game, and that's considering whether or not all games will be ported to the Vita, whether or not Sony can some how eliminate the need for a separate game, and whether or not all developers will feel like supporting it.
Nutsack  +   1236d ago
Sony needs to support its marketing talk for sure.

Once they were talking about Move doing all that Wiimote does and more. While Move is more accurate than Wiimote, support is hardly there.

Some patches for games, that remain overall best played with the DS3 and hardly any exclusive Move support just pretty much killed Move all together. To the point that they'd better not had introduced it at all. That is pretty sad.

If you say something Sony, actually make sure you make it a success, don't bring it out by just talk and leave it to die.
NYC_Gamer  +   1236d ago
PS3 wasn't built with that type of function in mind
baodeus  +   1236d ago
Just one question, can it do it @ $300 like Wii u?
air1  +   1236d ago
All i want is to continue playing my ps3 games from my vita.. How about you just focus on that first sony..

I regret getting the damn vita! Pisses me off to see hacked vitas playing ps3 games yet sony still doesnt support it, complete bs!
Ares84HU  +   1236d ago
Why does Sony need to prove that??? The PS3 and Vita does what they do and the WiiU does what it does.

Both consoles are great for gaming. Pick the one you like the most. How about that???

Idiot fanboys!
Benjamminkno  +   1236d ago
I suspect Sony would only make such a claim to prevent PS3 owners from trading in for a Wii U. Because it's quite clear, Sony can not duplicate this... yet.
R_aVe_N  +   1236d ago
Its time people shut up about this bs. The PS3 and Vita don't have a need to do what the Wii U does. I am perfectly happy buying games for both. I would rather have games that are designed for the Vita or PS3 in mind not cross over crap that feels tacked on. If you want a Wii U experience go out and buy one.
telekineticmantis  +   1236d ago
Not only prove
but utilize it much more often, I forgot about that LBP patch.

Are they gonna built games specifically for this function? That's what I wanna know.
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WeskerChildReborned  +   1236d ago
Why does it have to prove anything?
Jadedz  +   1235d ago
A lot of people seem to forget about Nintendo's latest handheld (3DS)
I'm not comparing the two (3DS/Vita), but Nintendo can also use their handheld device for remote play features, and whatnot's.
Qrphe  +   1235d ago
Very doubtful, unless all Wii U games were modified to scale down properly at 240p (which sounds extremely difficult anyway), you wouldn't see much detail on the screen.
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Teflon02  +   1235d ago
yeah, I notice the difference here is PS Vita though being under 720p it was clearly made it render 720p and when I'm on remote play I notice my PS3 has to drop from 1080p so the vita can run. But 3DS is half standard res which means its going to drop to under a 4th of its res and 3ds cant run the details so its kills the purpose
Drainage  +   1235d ago
so theyre gonna come out with a RAM xpansion you stick on the back or what? Because thats the only way the PS3/Vita could do what the Wii U can, for half the price
rainslacker  +   1235d ago
It could offload tasks onto the Vita, since it has it's own processing power being an independent console. Whether or not developers take the time to do such a thing is the bigger question.
DivineAssault  +   1235d ago
It only does everything... RIGHT
wastedcells  +   1235d ago
What if the PS4 came with a vita as the controller. Just with some dual shock grips or something.
1upgamer99  +   1235d ago
Uhhh, the Vita 3G is $299 how much do you think the PS4 With a Vita would cost? The PS3 is $249 now and that is 6yo. So lets see Vita basic $249 with brand new console tech. I would guess $650
wastedcells  +   1235d ago
Not the actual vita lol.
1upgamer99  +   1235d ago
Yes, Vita and PS3 work together but not as well as Wii U and the Gamepad. Nintendo has painstakingly done everything they can to make sure the Lag is next to non-existent. Big deal if the Vita and PS3 work together Nintendo has done that since Gameboy Advance. I also have a very sneaky suspicion the reason for the 3DS XL may be for it to be better used as a Wii U controller. The 3ds will work with the Wii U, but to what extent I don't know. I just have a feeling it is going to eventually be able to work as an extra gamepad.
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IWentBrokeForGaming  +   1235d ago
I like that it's an OPTION with Sony...

if this functionality crosses over with PS4, this would bode interesting... although way more expensive for the PS4/Vita combo than the WiiU
1upgamer99  +   1235d ago
Okay what I said was PS3 and Vita work together...Have you not read the lag reports, that is between the it is not a very good combination. They do connect, but Nintendo has done that for years and years.
samtheseed  +   1235d ago
Yeah, go one Sony, I could do with a good laugh.
InTheLab  +   1235d ago
First off, I find it inappropriate to write about what fans in a forum think about a subject, because we all know how that turns out...

As for Sony's nonsense about matching the WiiU...probably not. There's no evidence to support that idea. The fact that Vita connects to the PS3 isn't good enough to suggest that it's on par with the WiiU, as 3rd party devs and Nintendo themselves have built experiences around this idea.

Old school Gameboy devices connected to the SNES at one point and the Dreamcast's controller had a detachable memory interface that also directly interacted with the console but that is not the same as what we see with the WiiU.

Now, no one mentioned it, but even "Smart Glass" technology (or Second Screen technology, as it's been called for six years prior to MS "creating" this concept) is also nothing like what Nintendo is doing because it is not a central feature of the Xbox and like Vita, does not come in a single package like the WiiU.

So for either Sony or MS or the media to claim that either of those two companies are capable of creating similar experiences as that of the WiiU is complete nonsense to me..
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rainslacker  +   1235d ago
I don't think it's a question of IF they CAN do it. Being a programmer, I can logically see that all 3 choices have the ability to provide a similar experience. They may not be 100% the same across the board, especially with more complex variables, but there is no reason to think that the PS3/Vita couldn't achieve what's been shown on the Wii U.

I do think that the question is IF they WILL do it. Taking a page from recent history, lets look at the Move controller. The Move controller was a better technology to the WiiMote. However since there wasn't much developer support it never really achieved what it could have been. On top of that I think it came out way too late in the generation when motion control wasn't really new and exciting to a lot of people. In the end the Move support became a tacked on feature for some games, has some exclusives to it, and isn't even considered an option for other games.

In the end it comes down to if the developers want to support this. If Sony pushes this hard enough with their own first party titles, and gives incentives and tools for 3rd party titles to include this feature, then it could catch on and just be another option to the Wii U. In the case of ports keeping the feature for both the PS and Wii U would be good for the developer, as it means they can make the same product for both systems. It doesn't mean that it will destroy the Wii U though, and the combo will likely always be more expensive than the Wii U, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
Man-E-Faces  +   1235d ago
I think the dualshock won't even come with PS4, a tablet controller that will be better than WiiU's gamepad will, let me explain the dualshock has 3 gens of barely any changes it was obvious Sony wanted to change the controller themselves this gen with the boomerang but then just settled on the standard dualshock again. They won't put out the PS4 with the same controller again you can qoute me on this, I am sure the dualshock will be compatible and be sold along side PS4 like WiiU pro controller but damn I am personally sick of looking and playing with the dualshock controller yes it's good and gets the job done but enough is enough I want something fresh like Nintendo did with N64 TO Gameqube controller or Sega from Saturn to Dreamcast. GET ME EXCITED!!!
metsgaming  +   1235d ago
guess the writer didnt see the video on the lbp 2 cross controller dlc. The demo of it was way more interesting in showing off what can be done with something like that than anything i have seen from Nintendo which is sad because their whole console is based around it and sony did a better job of presenting the idea. BTW sony isnt going to go all out with it, just a few games to use it at best. The video
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isa_scout  +   1235d ago
While I do admit the Wii U has me curious, why does the ps3 and the vita have to compete with nintendos next-gen system? shouldn't people just wait and compare the Wii U with oh I don't know the ps4? The Wii U is a gimmick just like the Wii. Now, I'm not saying it's not a fun gimmick but in the end that's all it is. Nintendo is smart releasing the Wii U well before the Xbox720 and Ps4. I sure as hell wouldn't want my Wii 1.5 competing with the graphics seen in something like the unreal engine 4 demo...Would you?
young7yang  +   1235d ago
as a loyal fan-boy of both Nintendo & Sony i have to agree with this article!

Sony needs to step up or shut up!

I have my Wii U on order as well as ninja gaiden razor blade

In any case i am looking forward to seeing what both companies can dish out.
Blackcanary  +   1235d ago
At the end of the day its a nice feature to have. And so far from what we have seen the PS3/vita combo isn't that bad will and will get better in time and if more game studios decide to bring out games that have that feature that's great. Another thing is anyone who loves Nintendo and who has the money will buy a Wii U. Any one who already has a PS3 will probably get a vita since it will be cheaper if they want that type of feature for there PS3. End of story i do not understand why people are making such a big deal over this.
jacen100  +   1235d ago
wiiU for me,, i dont want last gen old tech like the ps3 when i can have more modern cpu architecture and gameplay with the wiiU o and yea the tablet control comes in the box and is totally integrated with t he wiiU
Thepcz  +   1235d ago
sony are the laughing stock of the games industry. ps3+vita=wiiu????? lol
only a total imbecile would think so. just stop it now. cut it out.

sony is trolling by making the suggestion

sony are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the games industry, with their failure of a handheld called vita, it is now being pushed as a pseudo-wiiu controller for ps3. how embarrassing. what a slap to the face for all vita owners.

vita is finished, not even as a quasi-wiiu controller does it have any future. sony are just desperate and clutching at straws now to try to sell the useless thing
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