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Million Metal Gear Solid 4 Launch Day Quote Is "Incorrect"

One million copies. At launch. Late last year, Kojima Productions Associate Producer Ryan Payton was quoted as saying Metal Gear Solid 4 needed to shift a million copies on launch day to turn a profit. From the original Reuters piece: "Payton said the new "Metal Gear Solid" needs to sell over a million copies on the first day it goes on sale due to its costly production, but that may be a tough mark to hit given sluggish PS3 sales.

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sonarus5921d ago

mgs4 has to sell at least a million on launch day assuming it dosent launch at the exact same date in all regions add up Pal and ntsc regions it should sum up to 1 million. Anything else is a terrible showing

Capt CHAOS5921d ago

I mean come on..

'but that may be a tough mark to hit given sluggish PS3 sales.'

This is MS4 we're talking about, I don't have a PS3, Don't even like the MS stuff.. but I can tell you that it'd be very surprised if this game didn't sell a million on it's first day.

darkshiz5921d ago

Capt Chaos I agree.
PS3 sold more then 360 world wide in 07.
Sluggish compared to Wii but not 360.

ravinash5921d ago

I love this quote - "are we going to go over to Microsoft, how much will they pay us. You know, all this weird stuff". classic.

Keowrath5921d ago

Capt CHAOS, MS4???? MS? as in "SHOTGUN!" ahhh no, that's Metal Slug! Have some respect please, it's MGS4 =)

I'm just playing with ya, having visions of snake running round eating loads of melons though and getting really fat "WOAH! BIG!"

Hmmm, maybe I need to get out more =/

On topic, I think MGS4 "could" hit the 1 million sales but at the end of the day all I really care about is that I'll be playing it the day of release and I'll be taking time off to do so. This is my most anticipated title this Gen and it's going to be PHAT!

MikeGdaGod5921d ago

i'm grabbing this day one. it is by far, my most anticipated game EVER! nothing else will matter on launch day. NOTHING!!!

.........hope my girl doesn't read this

barom5920d ago

a lot of you are forgetting that the article they mentioned was written months and months ago.

I don't even think they've announced the 40gb back then

dafinaldays5920d ago

Yes I also agree with capt CHAOS i just got into playin some of the old metal gear games and from wat ive played with and what Ive seen on videos there is no doubt that MGS4 will hit da 1 million mark and yea (Wii with most sales b/c of its casual gamerz)

Daishi5920d ago

"This is my most anticipated title this Gen and it's going to be PHAT!" Maybe for fans but not the most anticipated overall. I'd give that to Halo 3 or GTA4. Like it or not Halo 3 sold more than anything else day one period, but it's got competition in GTA4 that's for sure. But on topic this article is very old and I'm pretty sure at least 1/10 of PS3 owners are planning on picking this up day 1 making 1 million easy.

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Pika-pie5921d ago

With the anticipation surrounding this game 1ml shouldn't be a problem in the first week.. But first days?

Plus I dont understand why it has to be in the first day.

sonarus5921d ago

think about it. 1st day sales for a game like devil may cry reaches about 100 grand in JA. mgs4 1st day sales have to be in the 250,000 range NA 1st day sales has to be in the 400-600,000 range and europe makes up the rest easily covering over a million in 1st day. But this is under given incentives to make a gamer choose 2 buy the game on day 1. A midnight launch some promotions and really strong advertising

ravinash5921d ago

Big first day sales just add to the hype and encourages more sales.
it makes no difference if the game was sold on the 1st day or the 10th, they still get the money for it...but if it sell a lot on the first day, then it gets a reputation for being a popular game and there fore more people will look at it.
Why do you think shops have those charts of top 10 selling games???
Because people are sheep, and will buy what everyone else is buying because its popular.

Big Jim5921d ago

So if it only sells fifty copies the first day, but 60 million three weeks later then its a failure? That quote never made any sense. It doesn't have to do anything the "first day". It just needs to sell a lot, and it will.

The Closing5921d ago

Exactly what i've been wondering. What all the money they make from sales other than day one goes to charity then? Does the money disappear into the atmosphere never to be heard from again?

The Closing5921d ago

Although the first day is prolly the strongest sales a game will get, and it needs to peak at at-least that many copies. Still think it will do just fine to say the least.

Either way GOTY right there!

Chubear5921d ago (Edited 5921d ago )

He didn't mean they HAVE to sell 1 million copies on day one to turn a profit, he jsut meant that if they were to turn a profit on day one they'd have to sell 1 million.

So he's just stating that when MGS4 hits a million, they'll start to turn a profit that's all and if they sell that on day one then they'll turn profit on day one.

The way people are twisting his comment makes it seem like if MGS4 doens't sell 1 million on day one then it's floped and failed.

Gosh, I don't know what's going on with the gaming industry but it jsut seems like there's all of a sudden an overwhleming urge to be ignorant and negative all the damned time. It's gotten very sickening.

SO what, MGS4 sells 900,000 on day one and the gaming media will slap titles like "MGS4 - A COMMERCIAL FLOP!" all over the place whe they damned well know what he meant in his statement. Just anything to get hits and adds on their sites. It's gotten really crazy in the gaming industry.

Kain815921d ago

the limited edition and the normal version.
And i hope the essential collectors edition (MGS1, MGS2 substance,Mgs3 subsistance all Directors Cut) hits Europe. If not than i buy the US-Version. I have allready MGS1 and MGS3 Subsistance, but i am a Huge fan of Kojimas MGS.

Keowrath5921d ago

I'm the same Kain, I think I'm one of Kojimas biggest supporters. I have 4 copies of MGS3 (US standard, JPN special with art book and mini Shagohod, US Subsistance with Legacy DVD and UK Subsistance so I can play it on my PS3)

No doubt I'll be buying a few versions of 4 too.

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PlayStation 3 Games That Desperately Need a PS5 Remaster

The PlayStation 3 may not have been the strongest generation for Sony, but there were still some diamonds in the rough that deserve a revisit as PS5 remasters.

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OtterX47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro47d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv7247d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_47d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga47d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt2347d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball200047d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin47d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole47d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix47d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel198947d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel198947d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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One Last Smoke - The significance of Snake's cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4

An article looking at the symbolic meaning behind the cigarettes in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

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Hideo Kojima laments that Metal Gear Solid 4's digital battlefield 'is no longer science fiction'

Game creator Hideo Kojima is and probably will always be best-known for his creation and stewardship of the Metal Gear series at Konami, which since his departure has been more-or-less on permanent hiatus (don't mention Survive). In his almost three decades these games evolved to the point where they predicted certain problems of the information age (MGS 2), took aim at contemporary topics like Guantanamo Bay (MGS: Ground Zeroes), and ended on a profound sense of sadness about our species' inability to break the cycles of global conflict (MGS V).

It's not clear what sparked this reflection, but Kojima's been thinking about Metal Gear Solid 4, an entry that was (and unfortunately still remains) a PlayStation 3 exclusive. In that entry the player controls an aged Solid Snake in the year 2014, caught up in a civil war being fought between Private Military Companies (PMCs).

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Dirty_Lemons358d ago

That was a great fucking game/ movie.

DarXyde358d ago

To this day, it's one of those games where I refuse to skip the cutscenes, no matter how many playthroughs I've done.

But if you ask me...MGS2 was bloody prophetic and has aged like fine wine. That game was blasted as the weakest entry, and yet it's so enduring. I replayed it some time last year and it was remarkable.

sadraiden357d ago

Heed not the lamentations of people that say that MGS2 is bad because of the Snake/Raiden bait and switch. Every MGS game has its own merits, and while most people consider 3 to be the best, they all shine equally in my opinion.

porkChop357d ago

@sad

I would generally agree but with the exception of MGSV. It had truly excellent gameplay/combat, but dull and largely empty open world(s), and a narrative that is literally only half finished.

I really wish Kojima hadn't tried to go open world with MGS. It just wasn't right for the series. But I get it. He didn't want to make MG anymore but he wasn't allowed to make anything else. So he had to experiment within that franchise. Still, it was the wrong direction.

Santouryuu357d ago

I have been thinking about this a lot, MGS2 being the weakest and getting blasted.
My conclusion, for some years now, it's my favorite game of the series.
Going from MGS1 to MGS2 was such a big leap, in graphics, mechanics, etc.
And now it's even more relevant for being 'bloody prophetic' as you stated.

Maybe dust of my vita and play it again...

porkChop357d ago

It's a shame we never got a remaster of MGS4. The original game only rendered at 1024x768, and it ran anywhere from like 20fps to 60fps depending on the area. A remaster could have very easily cleaned up the visuals and performance. It's such a great game. I just want to play it again but in its best possible state.

MIDGETonSTILTS17357d ago

I agree, but they did all sorts of tricks to make use of the ps3’s cell processor….they’d probably have to rebuild the game in order to make it run on another machine. And, if that involves remaking those cutscenes somehow, then itll never happen, unfortunately.

porkChop357d ago

Nah. There have been plenty of remasters of PS3 games and they've turned out fine. It can be done.

ANIALATOR136357d ago (Edited 357d ago )

You can get near enough 4k 60 with it on RPCS3 these days

FallenAngel1984357d ago

War... war never changes. Or does it? The war has changed ...did it? The answer is no! Unless it is yes! No, of course it is! Is war! Yes! No! Yes?

PitbullMonster357d ago

Ah a man of culture. Duty calls

cell989358d ago

He was always ahead with this series. MSG1 taught me about the importance of passing on our genes into future generations but in a responsible way, for they are bound to what we experienced in our lifetime. Sons of liberty taught me about global control and simulation runs to test society in a grand scale, the importance and dangers of control of information. MGS3 taught me about patriotism and how that can blind you into doing things you never would have otherwise, all for the sake of politicians who only see you as another pawn in their grand scheme of things. MSG4 taught me war is inevitable and always orchestrated because it's great for the economy. Soon simulation systems will start dictating who goes to war and why, all run through proxies. Privatization of military company are already here. We already started to see how a small group of elites dictates everything that happens. Nothing is done, nothing happens without strings being pulled.

Eidolon358d ago

You learned all this from MGS?

Tody_ZA358d ago

All that was literally the themes and core story of each game, so not surprising he learned that from MGS. Metal Gear Solid 2 in particular is so relevant today, it was more than a decade ahead of its time and a work of genius. Kojima saw what the digital future was going to become when it was in its infancy. Even MGS 5 despite being unfinished and less of a traditional Metal Gear Solid game with regards to story, had a fair bit to say about language and control over it that is relevant today.

It's a highly acclaimed series for a reason, and one of my favourite.

Eidolon358d ago

I've watched my brother play the MGS games, but I only beat MGS1 myself on the PSP in 2014, and MGSV in 2016. I took the themes and plots as lore, tbh.. trying to piece together the story of MGS rather than relating them to our current times.

Tody_ZA357d ago

It's definitely social commentary, Eidolon. You should read the "themes and analysis" section of the Wikipedia page for MGS2: Sons of Liberty for a start! Game was heavy on this.

Eidolon357d ago

I'll take a look, thanks. Actually might pick up MGS2 again (PS Vita), It's been years since I last played. Might start a new game tbh.

sadraiden357d ago

MGS2 literally predicted digital manipulation of information that we see today all the way back in 2001. MGS2 became Zucc's playbook.

Knushwood Butt357d ago

MGS taught me not to pee my pants.

cell989357d ago

Yes back in 1998 when I was 13. Throughout the years more information has been shown on this subject matters, but go back to early 2000s and information wasn't as prominent. Kojima was ahead of the game

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MaxiPower90358d ago

He was on the ball about many things. A true visionary.

sadraiden357d ago

If it wasn't for the retconning of how FOXDIE works, including clunky scenes with Naomi and Liquid, MGS4 would be a perfect game. There are so many gameplay options. It felt like us PS3 owners got something truly unique and special.

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