Phil Eisler, the general manager of GeForce Grid Cloud Gaming at Nvidia, says he agrees with the notion that the next generation of consoles could be the last.
I honestly hope not. After experiencing the BS from valve holding my games for ransom to sign their ToS or lose 161 games I own. I have no desire to jump on cloud gaming what so ever.
It makes sense to have a cloud based system both from a consumer and manufacoring point of view. However I agree it does give more power to the companies to pull moves like this
I hope not cloud gaming, but any laptop might be strong enough to run an (almost) photorealistic game.
Streaming games takes up a huge amount of bandwidth, and I think that once people start to pass their bandwidth caps and end up paying huge money for every gigabyte that you go over, cloud gaming won't be a viable option for most people. I'm excited about Sony's GaiKai purchase, but bandwidth is going to be what stands in the way of mass market adoption. I think that there will still be consoles beyond the next generation, even if they resemble a PC rather than a traditional console.
That move should have been a wake up call to the whole community to see that DD needs a lot more work before it becomes the main standard in gaming. I personally have nothing against DD whatsoever, but there are some serious issues that need to be addressed before the whole industry moves onto it. This is what really annoys me about these articles, and the pubs/devs/hardware manufacturers making these statements. They keep assuming that the community as a whole is just going to accept it. Never once do they really address the truly valid concerns that come up from a DD only model. They really do just keep repeating it hoping the general public will start demanding it. It's not to say that DD won't have a much bigger market share in the future, but there are still way too many issues to work out. Because of that DD will just be another option, but physical media will still be around for quite some time.
I call BS from NVIDIA. No matter what happens we will have at least two more generations. Disc drives are not going to disappear overnight. Cloud is great idea yeah, but its not here yet as a mainstream way to do anything and lag is always been an issue with games. Can't fix it with a cloud.
Sounds like somebody's upset they didn't get to develop hardware for the next gen consoles... :-P
Yeah! he is upset to right?? http://www.kotaku.com.au/20... Consoles are what? A service in a box. Since console makers like to stay relevant and follow trends now I can see console games being anywhere in the future. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.gaikai.com/ http://www.forbes.com/sites... just some baby steps.
They arent upset, infact Consoles are slowing the industry down. Its AMD that needs to grow a pack of balls and give the middle finger to console makers. The amount of chips that are sold to console makers arent that many when you think of it. Every year about 15million PS3s are sold and simular amount of Xbox consoles are sold. Now if you consider Nvidia and AMD each get only 15million chips each from the console makers every year. Thats not a whole lot. In return what happens is that, games are then developed with consoles in mind which means old tech. This causes a problem where not many PC gamers have to upgrade their PCs to play those games, since they are designed for old console hardware. Not only do PC gamers not have to upgrade their GPUs, they also can forgo upgrading Motherboards, Ram, CPUs etc. AMD being a producer of all those parts losses out on those sales for the piddly amount of chips they sell to the console makers. Previously when games actually used to be designed around new PC hardware, PC gamers actually need to upgrade every 2 years to keep up with the games. This is no longer the case. A 5 year old GPU like the 8800GTX can still play most of todays games in 1080p(this was never possible in the past). Essentially what AMD and Nvidia do by supporting consoles is kill their product cycles. Console gamers who buy a console wont be buying another console until it goes bust be it 3,4,5-7 how many ever years. PC gamers who used to upgrade every 2 years no longer upgrade cause their is no reason to, games designed for old hardware dont need new hardware. Hence overall its a loss loss situation, personally i am glad Nvidia is out of it.
dude, you're crazy. PC gaming is huge but is mostly due to social games, indie games and MMO and these can run even on a netbook. And the other thing is that Nvdia and AMD make a range of GPU's that go from low-end to high-end and these days most laptops (that aren't netbook) come equipped with one of these. So even if 1337 PC gamers aren't buying their $600 top of the line GPU's AMD and Nvida are still making tons of money from the average consumer buying a Dell XPS, Asus Ultrabooks, etc. and that's why your argument is pure bullcrap. And the same with the Motherboards, Ram, CPUs. Or do you think that when people buy a new PC they come with no Motherboards, Ram or CPUs? lol
@wishingW3L I am sure a lot of people are playing Social games over at Steam /s There are millions of people online on Steam. Check the Steam stats most of them have DX 10 or DX 11 Spec GPUs. If games really dont need new hardware why should those users upgrade? Like it or not that is lost sale for both AMD and Nvidia. As Decrypt mentioned its not only GPU sales that gets compromised, every other component in the PC does not need an upgrade.
Of the 54 Million Active Steam users, - http://store.steampowered.c... - the top graphics card is actually an Intel HD 3000, an iGPU. The top DX11 GPU is the 560 Ti. WishingW3L is correct on this.
@RyuStrife You do realise thats because many Cpus now a days come built in with HD3000 graphics. Where as the Gpus sold by AMD and Nvidia compromise of many different variations. Hence when you will combine all the different GPUs sold by Nvidia or AMD it will far outpace the ones represented by Intel on Steam. Nearly 50% GPUs as per Steam stats are DX11 Near 43% are DX10 Id say those are solid figures.
The idea is that being DX11 or 10 capable means absolutely nothing. If there isn't enough processing power, it's still not what we would want to use for high end gaming computing. What steam just show is that many users are using gpus from integrated gpus to midrange vs high ends. That's where the most profit is made for AMD/Nvidia/intel. The average users dont buy high end gpus. In fact, intel HD 4000 is DX11 capable. Of the 54mil, half is DX10/11 capable. That's 27mil. How come we don't see high end games on steam selling 13.5 mil only through steam? Source games are probably the most sold games on steam, and the engine itself is a DX9 and OpenGL engine. Low to midrange gpus are plenty enough for many of the games on steam. DX10/11/12 features will come, but that doesnt mean low-midrange gpu will stop selling. That's the whole point of this discussion. Gtx 650 is DX11 capable, but I wouldn't say the gpu is high end.
decrypt 15 million sales a year is no small amount, and its probably more like 26 million, rumor has it both ps4/720 are going with amd what you dont take into account is if amd dont supply the chips, somebody else will, so why give away business for no good reason
While this might be true they still shift a hefty number of PC parts every year. Its up there quite a bit closer to console sales than most believe. As far as Intel Integrated goes. Intel is upping their game up with GPU tech. Said to feature up to 1 Tflop in its Haswell line-up. All integrated works alongside any AMD/NVIDIA graphics cards out there. So in a way this only relates to how many people that bought an Intel PC recently with the integrated tech in it. There is quite a bit of them out there. I do agree with the need to upgrade going down a bit in most cases. Microsoft is a key component in this. As porting from the X360 is easier than ever today and the next version of Windows welcomes the next console to port directly to it for a long time as well. Sure yes the PC developers have the option of doing their own thing with even DirectX new version out there from Microsoft, but console developers see this as a cheap and easy way to shift a game directly to the PC so they do it. In a very closed in environment compared to any game built from scratch on the PC. Microsoft could even lock new generations of DirectX into their Windows cycle in the future. Its the path I believe they will be taking seeing Xbox Live in Windows 8, but that is up to them.
I said the same thing and got called all kinds of nasty names! Now that Nvidia is saying it I wonder how people will react! Too much money is wasted in R & D, Manufacturing, and warranty repair of consoles for the first 3 or 4 years to warrant making them when you have great tools like the Cloud or PC that Sony/MS can use to have their own community of games/gamers. also Nvidia is selling Gpu's and it's Tegra 2 chip like Hot cakes. Nvidia can careless about the console market as they make big money else where. AMD needs to sell as many GPU's as possible cause it's CPu division is getting smacked around so the console market is a big plus for them.
Nvidia is daydreaming......... Blah blah
Yeah you keep waiting for xbox 720 and ps4 and getting upgrades every 8-9 years. I'll stream games that have constantly upgraded graphics from their servers and let THEM pay for the upgraded hardware.
ATi off topic is that last months magazine on your avatar or this months m8
hmm don't waste your time reading this
Do they even realize that not everyone around the world has fast internet connection?
Who the hell disagreed with you?? It is a fact that you stated. I myself only have a 1Mb connection and it costs my $20 a month even though the per capita income in my country is only about $200 per month! Now that is expensive. A 2Mb connection is worth $40 per month!! Nobody can afford that in my country. If cloud gaming is the future then gaming is over for me... :-(
I´ve agreed with you. but don´t we´ll forget that we talking about Next Gen, that will launch sometime in 2013/2014, and will last for more 7 years. Until there, I think that even in 3rd world countries (like mine) we´ll have a better speed internet for a cheapest price. ;-) Here in Brazil I have a 10MB for 45 USD... It´s not that bad, but far away from Fiber in the US.
I have 4MB for $50! 0__0
Theyll match u up with other slowpokes. 5mbps is all you need for 720p 30fps, according to a couple days ago article....why cloud is only getting started"" gotta upgrade that 1 mbps speed dude. Dont worry everyone is beefing up their wire...timewarner has 50 now,..my friends with comcast just got an up grade,. So hopefully all the other people with shit connections will get beefef up to at least 5.
^How I wish you guys are right. I can only hope, it took years for my country to even get 1MBPS as standard and in an available price.
These egg heads live in their perfect little technology bubble, they don't give two shits about rural areas with no fiber.
Oh, and its the majority of the world that does not have hsbb, so consoles are here to stay. This is just another way for hardware companies to stay in the deep black and maximize profit. Imagine to slew of jobs eliminated by cloud gaming.
On psn the full games are like 5/£10 more then retail, retail I get a box etc can resell, don't have to wait hours to download even on my fiber optic broadband, keep my HDD clear....the cloud may fix downloading via streaming but still I will not consider digital over physical unless it's a serious amount cheaper which I don't see happening for a while, tho I spose like others have said next gen won't end for a long while so who knows what tech we will have..tho for now il choose a disc everytime
well if they dont adapt to gamers needs then ya.
I can see this happening. Im some countries at least. Even in the small town I live in I'll be changing to 30mbps fibre broad band later this year. Something which most cities enjoy now anyway, as long as servers are relatively close latency wont be an issue as new TV's will make up for that. I tried onlive when the beta came out on a racer and the latency was noticeable and definitely hampered the gameplay but I was way out of the nearest server they used and i was surprised by how well it ran. Plus now people are buying smart TV's which all support applications, so soon enough services like onlive will be right infront of us, supporting all the main multiplayer games. When you consider that the big sellers are games like CoD, Fifa, made by large companies which are already getting involved in a big way, its easy to see where we are heading.
It's projected that by the end of 2016 HDTV market penetration will be around 50%. So yeah, while all these features are coming out and will increase demand for better ISP service, it's still a far cry from being all inclusive and applicable as a sole business model for console makers. You do however make a good point. Smart TV's are a place that the current console manufactures will look to too increase their marketplace. One could easily see how PS Mobile could be adapted to this model, and it may already be in Sony's plans to do so. Playstation is more than just a console to Sony, it's an entire brand for their console and their games. MS, with Windows 8, is looking at a unified platform approach, and living room integration is something that they've wanted to achieve long before the first Xbox was even in their minds. However, for anyone to say right now that consoles won't continue in another 10 years is short sighted. What's more aggravating is this is coming from some of the top minds in the industry without really discussing the down sides of a DD only model. Cloud gaming will just be another option in the next next generation, but consoles and physical media won't be pushed out the door. All that would do is alienate a very large group of people who have supported the industry for a very long time, and these people will be needed to continue gaming as a whole.
If cloud gaming gets adopted by the masses nx gen, they very well may be the last consoles we get.. Eventually the majority of ppl will have tablets with button attachments that can be used for all things.. Computing, on the go games, phone, etc.. Prolly HDMI to connect it to the tv for wii u style controls to without the need of a console... MS & PS might develop an app or service just to stream xbl & psn in full PC graphics.. Then u have a portable device, phone, & game console in one
You are absolutely correct, it could go that way. The next generation is going to be a very interesting one because of all the new technologies that exist today that will be implemented into the coming generation. What it will come down to is if it's adoption rate far exceeds that of physical media. If not, then if the profits far exceed what can be made from the loss they would incur from losing the physical sale, then you would see an adoption of this from at least one console manufacturer. I do believe though that this model wouldn't be adopted across the board, and at least one of the Big 3 will still offer the option for a physical format, just to gain that market share.
No they won't be! That's rediculous to even think that!
nvidia sell more dedicated, gaming oriented gpus in a year than wii's, 360's and ps3s combined. people who want the best graphics best/most variety of games best online best community best mods best prices best/most control options best performance best/largest library going backwards compat all the way to the 80's best/most customization emulation of all consoles going back to the 80's they game on pc when you want the best=pc consoles are great for a few years and then are obsolete next gen ps4/720 will likely be the last, and it wouldnt be suprising to see either sony or ms not even make ps4/720
People say this to influence the market. It's a money making scheme used in big business and has spread to the gaming industry. Ignore it and let things happen how they will. Fact: If everybody stops making a console, all it takes it one person to continue it, that company now/then has a monopoly on gaming consoles and has a huge advantage moving forward. There Millions of console gamers who won't quit gaming on consoles just because greasy businessman decide they can make more money a different way. They can't take away what people love. They are foolish. But those making those decisions are already making millions, and they will just move on to a different company if this fails. That is how these douche's work....they think they know more than they do and they single handedly ruin companies.
Cloud Gaming is not the future for me, and I feel bad that my children will deal with it. Look at the situation Steam just pulled, accept new ToS or have games you have paid for take from your hands. Again, This would be like Gamestop, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, whoever, walking into your home and taking your games you paid hard earned money for. I have always liked steam but that is such a load of BS. The only way I will use a cloud service is if I can pay 15.00 or 20 bucks a month with unrestricted access to any games made that are on the service. I know that I do not own the games I am just renting them, but really if you buy a Cloud game do you own it? No, you are paying for a 60, 70,80 + dollar rental.
It'd be nice if they were future proofed, but the reality is they will be "next gen" for about a minute (or say a year) next round before PCs catch up what little ground the consoles will likely have over the average gamer rig and leave them in the dust for the duration of the, what, ten year life cycle they are to have? There's always the possibility though, that graphics will look great enough this round even on consoles that gamers won't mind where they are at. I know I'm loving Battlefield 3 on console just fine, limited as it is. So who can say.
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Nah, that only happens when one divides by zero.
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