"Would Bayonetta 2 not exist without Nintendo? The answer is yes," says Atsushi Inaba, executive director at Platinum Games.
Just imagine if Nintendo saved Shenmue 3 or something like that. Shouldn't gamers be happy by this?
any company that brings shenmue III will have my soul. seriously i miss that game :(
And the great thing about it. They can find a buddy with a WiiU, rent the game, beat it and be done. Hardly no money spent. I think B2 will benefit from ground up development on WiiU instead of multiplatform buggy ports. Either way, someone would complain about some hair sized detail..lol.
You could easily say that Bayonetta as a franchise exsists because of the fans who bought it on the PS3 and 360. It works both ways people seem to forget that Pretty sure if they put it on hold for a few months they would of found a publisher to release it on all platforms...cough cough Konami
Soon you'll come to the stage of acceptance on your journey through the stages of grief.
....man what are you going on about Im just stating the obvious....it must of done kind of well thanks to PS3 anf 360 fans to get SEGA to think about and start Bayonetta 2 off in the first place. Dont be immature...come on
Why does konami need to wait, no publisher wanted this game, if they really wanted it they would not need to wait "a few months". It could have sold a ton more multiplatform but no one wanted it.
But so many franchises die or never ever return. No matter who made it popular it goes away and only fan websites keep it alive. At least the Bayonetta franchise won't die or never return. I wish a new Earthbound (aka Mother) was being made.
ahhh my brain Dx it hurts! that doesnt make any sense! you could easily say that bayonetta exists because of the fans who bought it...??? so let me get this straight... bayonetta was brought into existence the second someone bought the game? how could bayonetta be made because of the fans who bought bayonetta if there was no bayonneta? you seem to imply they made bayonetta because fans bought bayonetta my brain hurts
Or maybe.... the lack of sales is the reason Nintendo had to fund it. If the series had lived up to expectations, then they probably would have made a sequel on PS3 and 360. But apparently, Sega didn't think it was worth it. And so Nintendo stepped in and put the funds up. In my opinion, they had higher expectations for the first game. The game didn't meet those expectations. So here we are.
Who you should really blame is really the consumers and MS/Sony. MS/Sony didn't support it, nor did enough consumers either. I bought it at $20 and regretted it, but that isn't to say it isn't a good game. It was just not to my taste. I understand the fans, but in light of all the facts, shouldn't fans be happy that the game is at least getting a release. If I knew a new Ninja Gaiden was made by Itagaki on any platform, I would jump for joy (albeit prefer it on my Xbox 360)!
And its thanks to Nintendo fans that Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Castlevania, Tales Series etc and alot more titles, see what i did?
Bayonetta was actually advertised fairly well when it was out. I played it at my boyfriend's house and bought it when I got back home. I've already replayed the game about 3 times but it was very fun each playthrough. I do hope that it goes multiplat a few months after release though because I really wanted the second one to be made really bad.
Actually, it was the lack of enough PS360 buyers that made sega cancel bayo 2.
totally agree with you, I, too, bought 2 copies of bayonetta, one to loan to my friends. The game sold well to cut even, but Sega didnt spent a single penny for Bayonettas Marketin.
Don't say that...that's blasphemy...Shenmue should only release on a Sega console. Sega must make a new console and release Shenmue for it, else they betray their fans. /s
To be honest, I really don't care if someone saved Bayonetta 2. The first wasn't my type of game, highly doubt the second will be either. I think this got saving because it is a "core" game that appeals to Japanese gamers and Nintendo wants more core games for their Japanese market since third-parties in other markets tend to provide a lot of those type of games already. That's the only reason I can think of.
But the only reason the sequel needed to be "saved" is because SEGA is as jumpy as EA, and so they took 2 million Bayonetta sales (FOR A BRAND NEW FRICKIN IP) to be bad. Bayonetta 2 shouldn't have needed "saving" in the first place, which is what makes this so infuriating; SEGA is just being stupid again. They probably could have released on WiiU, ps3, and 360 and sold 3 million minimum.
Do you know the financial report for Bayonetta? Nobody knows how much it costs to make, how many copies were sold at $60 compared to a lower price point. Just because it sold 2 million copies doesn't mean it made money.
If a linear beat em up needed to sell MORE than 2 million to make even, they are incredibly idiotic and wasteful.
The funny thing is that Shenmue sold less than Bayonetta and most gamers including me haven't even played it, but the notority and seemingly high-profile nature of it would cause a much bigger uproar. Most people just want a game to be on their console so they can say so.
Gamers are, it's the fanboys that aren't.
Considering most of this gamers dont like the wii,its like your trying to force a gamer to buy a shitty console that you dont want and you just want to play one of your favorite games...but with this bayonette game they bought,im okay with that because it would of never existed anyway... its like something Microsoft does(gears halo fable etc)
whoa... what a concept
Had they address this from the beginning they wouldn't have this drama by the fans. This is the problem with many developers, they expect the lack of awareness is something they can take for granted.
and how could platinum address that problem themselves? they cant fund and publish bayonetta 2 by themselves, and sega didnt give a flying fudge about the series. after all they didnt deliberately just said screw 360/ps3 fans, we are going to the wii u! they basically had little choice, and really, put yourself in their shoes. you are a studio with great franchise that have potential to expand into further sequels, and nintendo came and basically would fund and publish your game, would you say no? and lets have a reality check people, do you HONESTLY believe any major third party publisher would waste their money on bayonetta 2 in the age dominated by shooters? even konami instead of buying the right to bayonetta and let platinum release it, the let them play it safe and made a hack and slash game based on the MGS universe which is a guaranteed hit for the brand alone. and even in theory if they had a chance to go with another major third party publisher, would you really think they would let more than 100 million base of gamers for a new console that have none? and do you think seriously that nintendo is the kind of companies that can throw money around snatching games for it to being exclusives on their system? its not microsoft that we are talking about here, and am not saying nintendo cant afford to money hat, but if they would, you would figure they would go with a bigger franchise with bigger fanbase, as nintendo are known for keeping it "safe" and releasing/ publishing games that are guaranteed to be a hit of some sort.
I agree with you but what I think DigitalAnalog meant was that they should have addressed the issue by explaining to fans why their game is being published by Nintendo instead of Sega.
They actually were pretty quick to explain this...the same day the game was announced actually. Before then it was kept under wraps, and to get ahead of it would have ruined the announcement.
Thank you. Someone actually read my statement in it's correct context.
Blame Sega if your mad that the game is exclusive to the Wii U but thank Nintendo because without them this sequel would not exist. I does suck that the game won't appear on the platforms that the game started on but at least those fans are getting the opportunity to even play a sequel.
Very true. If anything it's SEGA's fault. I do feel for Bayonetta fans though, they as loyal fans deserve the right to be asking questions. Sony and Microsoft could have went to them as well, but given the first was a horrible port job on ps3, I can see why Sony would steer clear, not to mention they are re-structuring at the moment to focus more on their core studios. For those of you who were getting the Wii U regardless, good luck to you. For those who weren't and/or aren't, life is a b****., and I feel for you.
be grateful there even making a new one.
I think it's a "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation. Platinum Games obviously wanted to make a sequel, desperately needed publisher. Nintendo obviously wants core gamers, desperately needed core credibility. The partnership helps both get what they want, while giving gamers (granted Wii U gamers) the game they've been requesting. I have no issue with exclusivity. I don't feel entitled to get the game on my console of preference. I just want to see more of this (along with other reasons to own a Wii U) on the platform and it not become the home to Disney Princess Wii U Fit Edition, Babysitting Mama w/ Jonah Hill or Cook This Shit You Punk Ass Little Kid.
Lol, good post man.
Thank you good sir!
haha cook this shit you punk ass little kid xD i would actually play that and thats what ive been trying to get across to many raged fans platnium was making the wonderful 101 for wiiu that helped them build a relationship with nintendo so platnium had a peanut butter nintendo had chocolate mixed those two and reeses peanutbutter cu- i mean bayonetta 2 was born
Heeey!...I happen to like 'Babysitting Mama w/ Jonah Hill'. Clearly,one of the best games this gen.
This should settle things for those who did not know this the day it was announced.
Was the 1st game a sales flop?
It was not a sales flop exactly, But considering it has a 90 on metacritic, and fans were praising it as the best thing since god of war, It begs the question why it didn't sell like mad. Hopefully the series can find its way..
Maybe people were complaining about it being "too hard" or simply not getting it. I, personally, loved it. Thought it was one of the finest action games I've ever played. But people obviously overlooked it to buy the CoDs and Halo's and any other established name, based on brand recognition alone. Just look at the sales numbers for 2, of my top 3 games this year so far, Sleeping Dogs and Darksiders 2. For shame :(
@Zechs I have Darksiders 2, great game. I am also disappointed by its sales. Vigil really put all they had into it this time around, but consumers still avoid it (can't really blame them, as it is VERY competitive atm). I want to get sleeping dogs, but I'm working 60+ hours a week, and don't have much time for games. I think this is only getting worse, as many franchises are making their expected trilogy, then a prequel and so on. It leaves little room in people wallets for lesser known titles and new IP's. Hopefully the Wii U can bolster sales for multi plats. And maybe, just maybe, Darksiders 2 will be a launch hit with the Wii U.
I'm sure many publishers would have wanted it years ago, when Kamiya wasn't so arrogant.
So now Kamina is the problem? I don't even.
Yes he is a part of the problem .. Look at his Tweets on Twitter ! He doesn't even pay attention to other developers , he is just a Diehard Nintendo Fanboy - If this is the right example to describe him - !! Just look at his old-new tweets ~
Jesus, you're such a bottom feeder. Who cares if he's a Nintendo fanboy? People from iD and Epic games like Nintendo as well. Lots of people love Nintendo. And considering that Nintendo just saved Kamina's bacon with Bayonetta 2, I doubt he hasn't much reason to be grateful.
A bottom feeder !! Can't you even look to his old tweets before SEGA cancelled bayo 2 or you are too lazy to do that just because you are a "Nintendo Fan" ? Oh-Wai .. You are trying to cover Nintendo movements for this just to make sure that the game will be a Wii U Exclusive Forever !!? Who is the Selfish now .. and why can't platinum games find other publishers since the Cancellation announcement to make sure that game will be on all platforms including the "Wii U" Yeah that's right a Wii U As a major platform , not only PS360 . its simple .. Kamiya Doesn't care !
Look at all this f*** I give. His game was saved by Nintendo. I think he has the right to say what he wants at this point. "its simple .. Kamiya Doesn't care !" Conclude that sentence with "about stupid, immature whiners who are blasting him on his twitter account," and we're golden. I really love how ridiculous your argument is. "Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive is BS because Kamina just don't care!" Yeah, maybe to a whiny fanboy with no sense at all about how this industry works. Exclusives happen all the time. Final Fantasy used to be a Nintendo exclusive and went to Sony. Resident Evil was a Sony exclusive and went to Nintendo. Hell for a time, Sonic of all things was exclusive to Nintendo. Stuff like this happens. Get over it and grow up.
Hold in There Smart boy ~ What i mean by "its simple .. Kamiya Doesn't care !" is that Kamiya DOES NOT care about other publishers not platforms In particular ! And if you see me in that category, "angry and annoying" fans in Twitter or other social media, you are wrong, anyway! All I'm trying to say now is to clarify that Nintendo did not save Bayonetta 2, and this speech that you're seeing is just a simple speech to silence the fans .. The studio could have deals to other Publishers by but Kamiya perspective look another in the gaming world and has another look and Preference last keeps him from taking the rest of the publishing companies for the Games! Enjoy Bayonetta 2 on Your Wii U anyway ... Fan !
http://www.theverge.com/gam... This proves you wrong. Nintendo saved this project and you're just bottom feeding for things to complain about. Good day.
Nintendo fans can pat Sony/MS fans on the back for getting this game some legs, but Sony/MS fans can definatley return the back patting for Nintendo actually picking up the franchise to help it carrying on... man if it were only that easy for people to not be fanboyish to make this vision a reality!!! lol
ppl should relax about this already.. I can see if they dont want a wii u & want to play but damn wth? Theyre getting MGR & wii u isnt so i think thats a hell of a better deal
Bayonnetta isnt that great but it wasnt bad enough to be overlooked, you cant fault Nintendo for comming first but either you cant blame that people are angry for having to get another console and no there is a difference between being a Fan (Wich cant bring themselves to cash another plattform) and being a fanboy (Wich will sell his mother for the game).
Fan boys are ungreatful sons of b..... Nintendo just saved a game that Sega throw to the garbage because they dont have the money to publish the game.
so people are actually complaining about a game that almost never was? seriously so many games regardless of selling or not selling well disappear for many reasons be thankful this is not one of them. let me list a few of my favorite games that did sell well that may never get sequels; Jade Empire, Kotor, Battlefront, smugglers run, shenmue, XIII, darkwatch, x-men legends, etc. its irreverent if a game sells well, sometimes games just dont get made. so stop complaining and either buy the game or dont.
It's actually risky for Nintendo to fund a game that no other publishers wanted. If no one else wanted to publish Bayonetta 2 then why would the fans be angered with Nintendo and Platinum? I think some people are just simply upset because it will come out on another console which is the usual case.
Ok, thanks nintendo!!
While they're at it they should release the first Bayonetta on the Wii U as well.
See, People should at least be happy that Nintendo is helping it.
This game will not sell well on Wii U. Mark my words.
That SHOULD shut people up about it, but I doubt it does.
Or... While in the many negotiating deals PG had with nintendo,they brought the idea of B2.Already working on an exclusive P100,why not build a stronger relationship with nintendo. The guy already would like to develope starfox. Think they will need a larger portfolio before they can touch though..
everyone here must like outdated stuff, because the wii u cpu is outdated lol
Nope. But I'm sure some people are getting tired of these outdated comments..Really-you stopped in just to say this? You can't even troll properly, are you 12?
dont be upset that ur wii u has no new IPs only zombie u which is crap compared to other horror games out there
Great reply..you put me in my place-instead of feeding you though I'll stand by my original statement..
I don't think a lot of people would care, if it didn't exist without Nintendo. If you can't get it out to original fans, then why bother in the first place? The fact that people keep using that excuse is..stupid. I will be playing MGR, but i will not be playing this, unfortunately.
Now I just hope there is a Vanquish 2.
Square-Enix should make a new Actraiser, but ONLY if they make it for the SNES!!! SNES fans MADE the Actraiser franchise happen with their support, and I shouldn't have to buy a whole new system just to play it? FUCK Square-Enix if they don't make Actraiser for the SNES! Ahem... *cough cough* sorry. I somehow fell onto the "blowing rubbish out of my ass" bandwagon for a moment.