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Submitted by Rrobba 759d ago | interview

Wii U's GPGPU Squashes Xbox 360, PS3; Capable Of DirectX 11 Equivalent Graphics

CinemaBlend: "All that talk about the Wii U being “weak”, “underpowered”, and not capable of outputting graphics like the Xbox 360 or PS3, is apparently hogwash. Unity Technology's CEO David Helgason squashes the rumors by acknowledging just how far the Wii U's tech can scale and what developers will be capable of utilizing with the Unity alone." (PS3, Wii U, Xbox 360)

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Hatsune-Miku   759d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(25)
Shaman   759d ago | Trolling | show
chukamachine  +   759d ago
Still means nothing.

dx10 meant nothing, dx11 early games barely used it, and most games still don't use it enough.

People seem to think i hate nintendo, i don't. Friends play mario and i've played many games on the Wii.

Do i think the WII U is a massive jump over PS3/360.

No and you'll see this as games come and go, by 2014 you'll be seeing PS4/720, there you will see the jump.

If you love the new controller from ninty and need mario, you will buy a wii u.
Griffin4871  +   759d ago | Funny
We all appreciate you taking the time to time travel just so you can come back and let us know that.
HammadTheBeast  +   759d ago
Looks like you squeezed in with him.
FriedGoat  +   759d ago
No need to buy, will be emulated in 1 year.
HappyGaming  +   759d ago
The jump between PS2/Xbox and Wii is similar to PS3/360 and Wii U...

It worked for them last time so they are trying the same tactic again lets see how it goes.

Edit: Also if I was thinking about buying a Wii U (which I wont because I am waiting for PS4 and 720 to come out before I decide) I would be very cautious about how much Nintendo will focus on hardcore gamers. Zombie U looks great but I do not feel like games like that will be Nintendos main focus.
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AsimLeonheart  +   758d ago
Nintendo fans again grasping at straws; twisting an ambiguous statement into their favour. Why are you people so hell bent on proving that WiiU is more powerful than the 7 year old PS360? WiiU is not competing against them for market share. If you think it is then it is already almost 70 million units behind each of them. The Wii was severely underpowered and gimmicky with loads of shovelware but you guys still defended that as well and were even proud. You guys did not care about graphics at that time then how come you guys have become such "graphic whores" like us PS360 owners? :/ If you still want to talk graphics then just wait for the PS4 and XBOX 720 and then we will talk about who crushes whom. Then again you guys will just go back to saying "graphics dont matter you graphic whores! Gameplay and review ratings does! Look at us we have the best gameplay in the world as we play the ugly looking, rehashed and stagnant but highly rated 200th Mario and Zelda game." Oh and cant forget the GREAT gameplay of the Nintendo exclusive shovelware. LOL!
stragomccloud  +   758d ago
@AsimLeonheart
It's not that they've become graphics whores, it is that it is frustrating when people make claims that it is not as powerful, when it is in fact more powerful. Like how the same people claimed that the Wii was not as powerful as PS2 or Xbox, when in fact was quite a bit more powerful. Just nothing compared the the PS3/360.
chrisarsenalsavart  +   759d ago
That is the all point. People who buy a nintendo is first and foremost for playing nintendo games and in order for nintendo to grab the core audience(the cod, fifa, assassin creed .....Kind of players) they will have to show to thirdparty publishers that wiiu can be more than just a gap between the current and next gen.

But to be honest, i don,t think sony wll go crazy on ps4 cost either. I think they will try to build something eith good specs but mostly something that can make money straight away.

After the slow adoption of the ps3 and vita at launch Kaz hirai knows that content will makethe difference in the next battle, not power.
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AllSystemsRocks  +   759d ago
no not Mario will make me buy a Wii U but Zombi U will !
NewMonday  +   759d ago
it's the 360 vs PS3 graphics all over again
Tonester925  +   759d ago
Lens Of Truth is about to boom come release of Multiplatform games! Lol
linkenski  +   759d ago
My PC has direct 11 graphical capabilities... yet games are like slideshows.
dogoodmatters  +   758d ago
Betting on when DX11 will be standard probably. Nintendo sees one now, upped it a little, and will play the wait and see game. They waited for HDTVs to be more "standard" and are probably thinking the same with DX11?
milohighclub  +   759d ago
My PlayStation broke beyond repair recently and I was dying to get another for the last of us. I've been a massive PlayStation fan since ps1 and was waiting for the new slim to be released but I may actually just get a Wii u for now and wait til the goty version of tlou before buying a new ps3 as the price will have dropped and the last of us will be the complete version.
NewMonday  +   759d ago
the good WiiU stuff will not come till 1-2 years

it will make more sense to get a new PS3 now and the WiiU later
andibandit  +   758d ago
Your disagrees suggest you must get a ps3
nirwanda  +   758d ago
It depends on how many PS3 games you own or play online with friends or even if you own an xbox too, there is little dought the wii U will be slightly better than the PS3 and will definatly give you change from the games you find on the PS3/xbox.
milohighclub  +   758d ago
Thing is there's only TLOU I'm really bothered about Thats an exclusive. all the rest are multiplat so id rather play them with the best possible graphics. Also the ps3 will probably get another price cut before the last of us And In my opinion its more logical to wait a few more month as ive already owned 2 ps3s and would ideally owant to spend as little as possible on it.
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Gamer1982  +   758d ago
*Yawn* You notice no serious sites with credibility ever makes these kind of claims?
AAACE5  +   758d ago
You do realize current gen consoles cant run dx 11 right? Also, you guys need to remember that ram was the main issue for ps3 and 360. The cpu could be managed and the gpu could be manipulated.
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ninjabake  +   758d ago
Please feel free to name some games on PS3/360 running directX11
avengers1978  +   758d ago
then were are all the games that show a huge leap. The problem here as it has been since the Wii U started being talked about is the comparison to 360/PS3 when the real comparison will be PS4/720... lets see how it stacks up to those machines.
xtremeimport  +   758d ago
Comparison between the WiiU, xbox and ps3 shouldnt even exist.
The WiiU is a next gen console, it should be obvious that its more powerful than the current consoles. The fact thats its not is what causes people to speculate on just how powerful it actually is.
kikizoo  +   758d ago
Oh look, another stupid article from cinemablend..

ps : "MS got the right combination"

for easiest devellopment, ok, but the ps3 powerfull cpu made the prettiest games this gen.
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donman1  +   758d ago
Since you went into the future and came back with knowing the PS4 and Xbox720 is going to crush the WiiU. Can you also tell us the price? Since with that advancement in specs I am sure it will not be cheap so those of us who believe in you can start saving up from now.

The bottom line is WiiU will be first time in a long time Nintendo stepped out the box and is bringing something fresh, innovative and with a wealth of entertainment value. My pre-order is already set. I cannot wait. Till then I will enjoy my PS3.
SilentNegotiator  +   758d ago
We've already seen the WiiU run Batman:AC and AC3. They're 720p native and have little or no AA. Their framerates might be better but what we saw was no 60fps. You can scream about the games not being "finished" yet (as if a MASSIVE graphical leap always takes place between running footage of a game and the final product) and the games being early (As if launch ps3/360 games ran at 480p), and about them being ports (because they just got "lazy" about doing something as simple as raising the native resolution to 1080p if the WiiU could even handle it, right?) but let's not kid ourselves....

The GPU is only slightly stronger and the CPU has been outed by developers as being WEAKER.

It's not a generational leap. And this time, it's price is at a disadvantage with the other systems, which are only slightly weaker in graphics to a degree that hardly anyone will notice (and higher in CPU power).

The success of WiiU will be ENTIRELY based on their ability to make interesting uses of the tablet controller that anyone cares about and living off of their IPs (Mario might be popular, but it didn't save the Gamecube).

Now go ahead; call me a troll, fanboy, whatever. But when something is oversold and sensationalized like this, I'm going to be there, whether you like it or not.
hennessey86  +   759d ago
the GPGPU
May well be good, but from what I have read. The CPU brings the WiiU back down to PS3/360 levels of power.
PopRocks359  +   759d ago
I'd buy that if I wasn't already made aware that the GPGPU can take some of the load off of the CPU.
WeskerChildReborned  +   759d ago
Agreed.
Malice-Flare  +   759d ago
in which case, the new games will not take advantage of the GPU's new features due to it doing some CPU stuff to compensate for the same weak CPU...

the reverse of the PS3 where a weak GPU is compensated for by a powerful CPU...

MS got the right combination the first time by being balanced: a reasonably powerful CPU with a reasonably powerful GPU, and quite easier to develop for due their experience in development software...
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Jockamo  +   758d ago
...you had me at "irregardless". :/
Shok  +   759d ago | Well said
To be more accurate, the actual statements regarding the Wii U's CPU is it's "slower." When it comes to console CPU's (and even PC's to a certain extent), clock speed =/= power.

The Wii U's CPU has a much more efficient architecture. so it doesn't require such high clock speeds as it can do work much easier and more efficiently. Not to mention, like you said, it has a GPGPU.

People will call it damage control but that's the hard facts lol.
PopRocks359  +   759d ago
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't too sure about the specifics regarding the CPU. This makes it a lot clearer though.
donman1  +   758d ago
@Shok,

You hit the nail on the head. Very valid points you made. The bottom line is the WiiU is next gen. PS4 and Xbox720 will be more powerful but the difference will not be that great. For those that disagree always remember the cost factor. Are you willing to pay $500 or $600 for a console and is Microsoft/Sony (especially Sony) willing to bet that consumer will purchase their next gen consoles at that high price as early adopters. History shows (PS3) that it was a very bad bet.
Nutsack  +   759d ago
They have yet to show a game on WiiUpgrade that touches visuals like The Last of Us, Puppeteer or God of War for example.

And the day they might reach it, 'knowing' WiiUpgrades hardware, by then real next gen already is out with Xbox 8 at the end of 2013 and PSOrbis somewhere in 2014.

Which will have CPU's that are really a generation ahead, and not some WiiUpgrade CPU that even is slower than current gen. The real next gen that will have GPU's that are leaps ahead of current gen and not just a tad newer than consoles that are launched in 2005/2006.
Pillsbury1  +   759d ago
Did you have a traumatic incident involving a Nintendo system hitting ur nutsack when you where little? You really hate Nintendo.
Nutsack  +   758d ago
Not really. I loved the NES, the SNES, heck, I was a N64 fanboy.

The SNES and N64 both pushed great games, N64 pushed 3D in games.

With the Gamecube a bit less already, with the Wii, which had basically overclocked Gamecube chips, Nintendo lost me as a gamer yes. Their focus became sh!t. The focus was put on selling hardware boxes the most, and not care for games. Same with them selling Wiifit hardware, Wiimote Plus hardware addon to fix the inaccurate Wiimote.

And now, the one touch bulky tablet is getting in gimmick control to sell the package again. Plus bringing the WiiUpgrade up to par with 360/PS3 that are 6 to 7 years old.

Thats what I dislike about Nintendo. They were great once. Now its only their 1st party games that are the same over and over again. Rehashing stuff to the max. Meh.
Quetzll  +   758d ago
leaps ahead? we already have 3d games running in 1080p. you think next gen means 4th dimensional gaming where you control the game with your mind? or just more pixels?

dont know how many times it has to be said that a stronger GPU makes up for whatever the CPU is lacking.

and i think next gen is going to be more so what you can do with a game (sand-box type stuff) and not so much how many pixels it has. games will look better, yeah, but nowhere near the same leap as snes was to ps1/n64.
IaussieGamer  +   759d ago
Yet with all this power they will never really be able to make the most of it due to the limited storage capacity of the Wii-U
donman1  +   758d ago
You can add an external hard drive to the console. You are not limited to the internal flash memory. So storage will never be an issue.
DivineAssault  +   759d ago
what uses this engine? phone & indie games? If i see a few good games actually achieve what hes claiming, ill consider buying one.. With great power comes great responsibility.. Its up to 3rd party to take advantage of these things & make the games i like.. Theres potential with everything thats out.. devs using that potential is whats missing
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neogeo  +   759d ago
I disagree.
DivineAssault  +   759d ago
keep trolling me.. U bring about your own demise..
violents  +   758d ago
That's hilarious, everyone is disagreeing that you disagree.
YoungPlex  +   759d ago
The Wii U is in fact a more sophisticated and graphically more powerful console to date, that will bloom once the architecture is understood, and developers learn how to utilize the GPGPU to offset and maximize the efficiency of the CPU! You obviously live in a bubble, were you think that the Wii U isn't capable of so much more than these current consoles. You honestly think that developers will sit back and wait for the other next-gen consoles to roll out, and not develop anything for Wii U? Your the biggest fan-boy I've ever run across, next to the other 3 on this site!

Oh and because this guy disagrees with you, he's a troll? Please! If that's the case, then your the biggest troll for commenting and dissagreeing on everything I post!
HalfNerdHalfAmazing  +   759d ago
Lmao
thetorontokid  +   758d ago
Yea just like every dev, choose to develop for the dreamcast!!
Kingnichendrix  +   759d ago
Well I should think so the PS3 and 360 have been out for a long time this is like saying, well guess what the ps3 and 360 squash the gamecubes graphics..
sarshelyam  +   759d ago
Only time will tell, but put pen to paper and make the tech scream. Right now I'm not seeing anything in the launch window that any other console on the market couldn't handle without breaking a sweat, so to speak.
GhostHero333  +   759d ago
Hope they actually use it to its full advantage. And I hope AAA games decide to go above and beyond on their games when it comes to the Wii u.
DasBunker  +   759d ago
For a console that's a gen behind that's the least one would expect.

PS4 and next Xbox will crap on this.
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Statix  +   759d ago
Not sure why you're getting disagrees, but it's almost guaranteed that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will be much more powerful than the Wii U, based on leaked specs, devkits, and rumors alone.

Refer back to this comment in about 2 years when all the consoles have released, and we'll see who's right and who are the fanboys eating crow.
krazykombatant  +   758d ago
almost guaranteed?? lool do you work at either of these companies and see what they plan to release???
thebudgetgamer  +   759d ago
So this jist of this article is, a brand new console has more horse power than a six and seven year old console.

GTFOH
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-Gespenst-  +   759d ago
That's all well and good, and I hope it'll be a good console. It'll likely do a lot better than the Wii.

But like, what about when the next Playstation and the next Xbox? They're probably due pretty soon, and they'll likely more powerful consoles.
Bowzabub  +   759d ago
So brand new technology squashes 6-7 year old technology? Stop the press! Idiiocy.
Edit.. Budgetgamer beat me to the obvious.
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PygmelionHunter  +   759d ago
Still not obvious enough for N4G users if this was posted here, let alone the DOZENS of other articles that claim the same thing...
glopez  +   759d ago
Look above you. The guy that posted first always trolls Nintendo articles. The dude/ chick must really have no life lmao!!! He/she is always first lol. To the point: you geniuses are the ones who keep comparing it to the ps3/360, so yes when it's proven that it's stronger STOP the presses so the trolls can read and go back to their bridge lmao j/s.
Bowzabub  +   759d ago
Guy.. I hope and pray that the damned Wii U is 3 times stronger than the PS3 & X-Box.. Trust me, I plan on getting the Wii U when it lands. Hopefully now I'll get the HD Zelda game we have all been waiting damn near a decade for. Think it will happen? There are no excuses now right?
firelogic  +   759d ago
These kinds of topics need to stop. The WiiU is coming out 6+ years after the PS360. Even if they wanted to make a weaker or equivalent system, it'd be damned hard to do. It's a foregone conclusion that it's more powerful than current-gen offerings.

The fact that it's up for debate just shows how far Nintendo's reputation has fallen due to their history of releasing overpriced, inferior tech.
theaceh  +   759d ago
Agreed. I just can't seem to shake this belief that nintendo (as a brand) represents the cheap/inferior brand. Nintendo's real battle is a a battle of perception, not specs.
FarCryLover182  +   759d ago
I would hope it does, this is a console in 2012. Those are consoles that released in the mid-00's. Uh, this should happen. Big deal.
Straightupbeastly  +   759d ago
Sony fans getting scurred. Can't ride the uncharted train forever, sony must bring something new to the table before Sony fans lose their marbles
ballzdeep  +   759d ago
The Last of Us says hi!
ape007  +   759d ago
ummm MGS GZ Crysis 3, Halo 4, GTA V says YO YO YO
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one2thr  +   759d ago
Scarred at what exactly?
The PS3 is at the very edge of its life cycle and yet Sony announced more rhan 5 new ip's at Gamescom... Heck it wouldn't be a surprise if 8 days or The Getaway are launch titles for the next Sony home console, and by going by what they had so fair for Ps3, it should be Wii U owns that should be scarref if Sony continues to follow their successor consoles bring 10 timed mote powerful than there previous console trend...
Ex. PS2 10x more than Ps1
PSVita 10x more than PSP
PS3 10x more than PS2
So imagine a home console that is 10x more powerful than a PS3(if possible, at a reasonable price too)
Then what would be the reason for any Sony or even MS fan to be afraid of a Wii U in terms of visuals,AI, gameplay, etc.?
(P.s. I hate my phone)
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Pillsbury1  +   759d ago
You're really gonna deny ALL the exclusives Sony has had? Mgs4, killzone, god of war, gran turismo, jak and daxter, the last of us, beyond and hopefully the last guardian? Really?

@ ape007 most of those you listed are multiplatform so I really don't understand what kind of point you're trying to get across. Thanks.
thetorontokid  +   758d ago
Scared of a console called wii! Just saying!
All the power to Nintendo fans, finally stepping into the hd era! But come on, Nintendo lost their groove along time ago.
kasser  +   759d ago
Wii U vs PS3&360 ? How about a Wii U vs PS4 and Next-Xbox ?

I believe the Wii U is a quick cash-in for Nintendo since it will be available before any new nextgen hardware. Their strategy may win them the sales battle (again) but in terms of higher quality gaming machine, we are pretty sure either of Sony/Microsoft will pull it off in terms of graphics, online gaming and entertainment capabilities.

The question is, how big the gap will be between Nintendo and the competition? Hardware technology nowadays is scary, and neither Sony or Microsoft are afraid to harness it and go on-par or even beyond the PC capabilities.
omegapower  +   759d ago
power doesnt matter newb.

You want the best entertainment? Correct me if I am wrong but the wii has more of the highest rated games of the gen than the ps3 or 360 have exclusively.

The wii u preorders are sold out everywhere, you cant freaken get one

The wii u has already won in japan and the us
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kasser  +   752d ago
I don't care and I did not state that Sony\Microsoft will outsell the WiiU. I don't care if a Nintendo product is soldout or not because I have 0 interests in playing Nintendo games.

I am speaking in terms of technology, how big the gap will be between WiiU and the upcoming hardware. Don't try to convince me that technology isn't important or otherwise, why Nintendo were showing off their "processing power" and making it a 1080p res device.

If you have no clue about what I am talking about, go see Crysis 3 "DirectX11 PC-only Footage" then come back and tell me that can be played on WiiU.
modesign  +   759d ago
its cute people think the wiiu is next gen. haha whatever helps you sleep at night
gamingGod123   759d ago | Spam
topgeareasy  +   759d ago
DX 10.1 lol

game Devs use 9 or 11

10 is irrelevant
Irishguy95  +   759d ago
You are right, DX10 was an odd entity that no one really cares about hehe, but DX11 is beasht.
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   759d ago
how are they gonna compare a new console to 6/7year old consoles?!
IHateYouFanboys  +   759d ago
i cant help but laugh at how fixated on theoretical specs and graphics the N4G crowd is. all i can say is thank god that the general public in no way reflects N4Gs intelligence or opinions.

the wii was an enormous step behind the PS3/360 in both theoretical peak power, graphical output, and feature lists. it has some of the best games of the generation and absolutely destroyed both the PS3 and 360 in sales. the Vita wipes the floor with the 3DS in terms of specs and graphics and features. the 3DS wipes the floor with the Vita in terms of games and sales.

the reality is that graphics and specs mean next to nothing to the general public. they dont care if the wii u's cpu is "only" as good as the PS3 and 360s. they didnt care that the Wiis CPU was incredibly inferior. they just dont care about 99% of the things people on here argue about, and rightly so because most of it means very little in the real world.
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omegapower  +   759d ago
graphics and specs mean less than nothing when it comes to sales or library
AngelicIceDiamond  +   759d ago
Wow people can't consider the fact the Wii U's GPU is stronger than the PS360's. The Wii U isn't even using anything "brand new" in there hardware, rather an update on what the PS30 currently uses.

I can see graphics looking slightly better on the Wii U. That's fine In all, but in the long run I'm afraid "slightly better" won't matter in this gen of consoles. The talk will be about the 720 and PS4 whenever they make there debut.
XXXL  +   759d ago
To counter the ps4 and xbox 720 the Wii U will offer an eventual add on so we can watch VHS tapes!!! Than they'll offer an "upgraded" ocarina of time witch will actually be a direct port from the 3DS
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ame22  +   759d ago
We'll have to play the game of time to see.
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ape007  +   759d ago
i don't know how in the blue hell u got a disagree, here's an agree
spike  +   759d ago
If your a kid get a Wii U. I pre ordered mine but that is for my daughter. I'm not really going to play it unless its a game that me and my daughter can enjoy as a family. When the PS4 comes out that system will be all mine. Kids don't care about how the game looks, they care about the fun factor. Adults are the ones whining about the Wii U not being a next gen console.
ape007  +   759d ago
well Zelda NEXT GEN, metroid NEXT GEN, mario NEXT GEN, smash , kart etc... will make any adult go crazy for them
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metroid32  +   758d ago
Wiiu has open gl 4.1 so even dx12 features can be ported graphics on wiiu are equal to ps4 FINAL.
Tornadobounce  +   759d ago
Meh whatever. I still want to play it.
ballzdeep  +   759d ago
Agreed!
Pre-ordered and paid in full!
November cant come soon enough
stuntman_mike  +   759d ago
they are using a modified E6760 AMD's first gpgpu.

http://www.techpowerup.com/...

ive posted this before but click the picture at the bottom and you will get the full specs for it, seems way more powerful than the x360 and PS3 graphic solutions.
ballzdeep  +   759d ago
Nice find, thnx for the link
Honestly, most of that sh!t went right over my head
But whatever, zombiu looks great and looks hella fun
Cant wait
Irishguy95  +   759d ago
Basically it is alot more powerful, but Nintendo are ****ing themselves over this gen again, when PS4 and 360 come out...Wii U will be left behind for multiplats again. But they can still take 360 and Ps3's multiplats and 'improve' them somewhat so who knows. Nintendo sit alone in their own little world for this gen and last gen imo. Whatever works for them though hehe/ They'll still make the most money
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