Microsoft doesn't see what all the fuss is about and says Vista adoption is well on track with sales over 100 million.
The article is not lame. Vista for the time being is not required and useful for laptops or regular machines as it is a system hog. BTW i dint post this news.
I have a great setup other than 7950GX2 but rest of components are quite good when overclocked. The performace is pretty much high end @3.4ghz 1720fsb, i get 5.4 on vista score. But I dont like playing BF2142 on vista and stil play it on my xp.
The only reason Vista is selling so much in most countries is because the big companies refuse to sell people computers without an OS. Come back to me when there's an operating system that has gained share in the market because of its inherent value, rather than one that has been forced into the marketplace due to backroom deals with computer manufacturers and big retailers.
I just bought a sweet a$$ laptop (Dell XPS 1530) but unfortunately windows xp wasn't an option, it only came with Vista. i have to tell you, Vista is terrible for playing games.
Battlefield 2142 crashes like crazy in Vista, so now i am in the process of downgrading to XP (i'm downloading XP off of bittorrent as we speak).
alot of Vista's problems with gaming has to do with DirectX 10 (which is Vista only) being non-backwards compatible with DirectX 9 (at least that is what i read). avoid Vista at all costs for gaming.
Right. With sales over a million because you are forced to get vista with almost any new computer you get. There is the option of getting XP but then you need to pay more to do. Is all about "choice" huh Microsoft ?
BF2142 works just fine on my Vista partition... Ohh there is nothing to make DX10 incompatable, with DX9. Actually you can choose to use DX9 over DX10 if you so desire.
i assume they count the ones installed on every new pc computer. to me that's not a sale. nobody wants vista nor needs it.
Going to lose a bubble for this.... So does that mean that BR didn't actually win, since 95% of the units sold were "forced" on the customers. Not that I really care about the HD format war that was, but a unit sold is a unit sold, weather you bought the little Vista box, or it came with your new computer.
'Ohh there is nothing to make DX10 incompatable, with DX9. Actually you can choose to use DX9 over DX10 if you so desire.'
You are absolutely, 100% wrong. You need to study harder in CS. BTW, i don't remember being given a choice of DX9 or Dx10, where do you make that choice in Vista Mr. Computer expert?
'...Prior to DirectX 10, DirectX was designed to be backward compatible with older drivers, meaning that newer versions of the APIs were designed to interoperate with older drivers written against a previous version's DDI. For example, a game designed for and running on Direct3D 9 with a graphics adapter driver designed for Direct3D 6 would still work, albeit possibly with gracefully degraded functionality. However, as of Windows Vista, due to the significantly updated DDI for Windows Display Driver Model drivers, Direct3D 10 cannot run on older hardware drivers.'
I kind of like that you got so riled up over this. Anyhow there are only a few DX10 games out but here are 2 you can run in DX9 mode, the rest I'm sure you can, I just honestly don't care enough to look up more than this. http://forum.notebookreview... http://forums.2kgames.com/f... And since I decided to run Crysis, in Vista on the 8800GTS in DX9(since DX10 is only slightly better visually but with a huge req.) it kind of proves your little rant wrong. Granted it does take an edit to the cmd line but none the less, DX9 in Vista. And for your second rant, Vista has yet to crash anyone of my programs. Well no thats not entirely true, it didn't like Sacrifice when I tried to install it a while ago, but that was fixed with a simple "google" check. Yep that was pretty much it. Well no, it did crash Firefox one time, does that count? Listen, I know from reading your post, that you for some reason have jumped onto the Vista hating bandwagon when you really have no reason to. And thats fine, hell I prefer Linux over Vista as I said in a later post, but before you go off trying to insult my intelligence please do some research first. I only say this because I proved both of your comments wrong. Cheery O my good man.
'Listen, I know from reading your post, that you for some reason have jumped onto the Vista hating bandwagon when you really have no reason to.'
Wow, you're a really bad reader. If you read my posts carefully, you would know that I am downgrading from Vista to XP (right now in fact). That's a pretty good reason to hate Vista. On Vista, I can't play BF2142 without it crashing (and btw, i know a thing or two about computers as well, having worked as a system administrator in Silicon Valley).
And as I said, BF works just fine on mine. And from working in the valley as you say, you should know that no two computers are alike. Just because your BF decided to crash, which if you visit the BF forums you'll find isn't all that uncommon for any OS you decide to us, does not mean it's Vista fault. My BF decided to crash because of first a sound driver problem, then a video driver problem, then back to a sound driver. In any event being a Sys. Admin in the valley should have taught you that no two machines are the same. And just because yours decided it didn't want to play BF does not mean it's the OS fault per say. Actually I find it odd that a person such as yourself wouldn't simple choose to fix the problem instead of going through the hassle of switching to XP. But I suppose BF isn't your only reason, at least I hope it's not. In any event I really could care less about which you think is better for the simple fact that even though I prefer to use Linux, Vista works just fine for my needs that Ubuntu can't accomplish. So feel free to respond, but I wont read it.
@ SlippyMadFrog Technically, BluRay does remove "functionality" as it limits games in the way of it's slow transfer rates. For these reasons game designers need to take extra care and use techniques including redundancy to get as much out of it as possible. In addition, many games REQUIRE and greatly benefit (read: need them to match the competition) relatively large installs. Though, being a console, ANY install is too much of an install. About Vista. Vista is a decent operating system. What did people say when XP launched? "Oh, you don't need that. There is no benefit! Stick with Windows 98!" I know, because I was there. I was a Windows 98 supporter until I realized how much better XP would run my games, but it wasn't like that out of the box. Windows Vista just needs time, and developers need time to build their programs with Vista in mind. The majority of problems are caused because there are few programs and games built around Vista. Once there is a high install rate, software will be marketed with Vista as a minimum requirement and will no longer force the operating system to deal with a program built for an older OS. If you read into the benefits and technical additions in Vista you will realize Microsoft is taking things in the right direction (for the most part) and in my opinion, the transition from XP to Vista was much smoother and enjoyable compared to my transition from 98 to XP.
I wonder if these people are some of the same ones that were complaining about XP when it first launched? : )
I'm not chaing over to Vista until probably either end of this year or next year. XP is good for the time being but truthfully Vista is a great OS but needs more time to be fixed and yes I know its annoying but the same thing happened with XP.
On Apple Mac's you can bootcamp, have Vista/XP one part of the hard drive and the Mac's OS on the other. You can do the same on PC's though.
You wouldn't look so hot. Monopoly is the only way to sell a MS product!
i made backup recovery disc but then i found on the ms website that only vista business/ultimate has that option. mines only premium. i want xp back especially with sp3 coming out soon [or is it out already?]
Download it, stick it to them...it's not fair what they're doing, it's not like xp is unstable...and it's better for games.
One of many carcases sitting in my closet. I didn't exactly do it for XP but the old laptop has instantly become my favorite again specifically because of XP.
i want to downgrade but i dont want my pc getting screwed. i dont know how to boot with the discs i made lol, so if i downgrade and for whatever reason need to wipe my pc again i wont know how to bring it back. i think ill stick with vista for a while. see what happens
And just like the xbug 1.5 when people see how much of a POS product this is, half the shipments are returned but microsuck still count them as sold lmao.
The people ranting and raving about XP are mostly noobs. When XP came out it was complete garbage. It stayed crappy until years later with Service Pack 2.
Vista has only been out for one year, and it already is superior to XP and a great, stable, and fully features operating system to work with. And SP1 still isn't even out yet!
I use 64 bit Vista and have had no problems at all. Everything is compatible, faster than XP, and more. People who talk about it hogging RAM also don't know what they're talking about as Vista has a very good RAM management system that caches things you might use according to your patterns.
Vista is a great OS, and you all are just repeating hearsay and look foolish when you bash it. Vista bashers know absolutely nothing about technology or are Linux/Mac users trying to bring attention to their inferior Operating Systems.
I agreed until you said Linux is inferior. That my friend is just plain wrong. If my games ran well enough under Ubuntu, I would never use Vista, but they don't so I do.
That's our plight my friend...I never changed my os because I play games.
OSX is way superior to Vista, get real man.
yea linux an operating system that comes in pieces with its mediocre applications, steep learning curve, and ugly interface is so much better than windows. when you download something like ubuntu, you lose all the benefits of linux because its full of crud, bloated apps in redundant amounts, and everything is precompiled. none of you know anything about computers or linux, youre just bandwagon hoppers riding on the ubuntu train.
and yea os x with its bloated and uncustomizable OS, double the price for half the power, and lack of applications is amazing i tell ya. especially the fact that you cant add whatever hardware you want. yea thats the best part about macs...
Yes with my 3/4 of a degree in computer science, I know absolutely nothing about computers. These past 3 years I have just been learning how to make the "Hello World" program... And I bet you could argue, irrationally I might add, about how much better Vista is till the cows come home. But at the end of the day, Ubuntu(in this example) has a far less memory footprint, and a smaller file system. Yet it runs *most* of my applications just as well as Vista does. And last time I checked, you tube is full of people with Compiz, Berly and the like showing off their desktop, when was the time anyone say a Vista video showing off Aura. And the best one of all Linux-free Vista-$$$ Now I'm not saying Vista is horrible, I happen to like it very much but to claim that Linux is piss poor shows your lack of understanding in the field of CS. Not ours.
os x a bloated OS? last time i checked, on startup, it only uses ~450mb of ram. also, uncustomizable? clearly you haven't used it. without the aid of a program such as windowblinds or shapeshifter, its easier to customize os x because you just have to swap a few png files. in case you didn't know, microsoft ripped more than half the things from vista from tiger, made them worse, and released it to the public. leopard is leaps and bounds ahead of vista, and with the forthcoming 10.5.2 update, it'll be even better.
Hm, let's see Vista vs XP
XP Pro around 1 gig/ Vista Home Premium 7~8 gigs
Boot to desktop:
as low as 8 secs/ Vista, like 1-2 minutes plus
XP Pro 11 processes running/ Vista 28
RAM being used with all the same programs as Vista:
112-125MB/ Vista over 450 MB
Hard Drive access times and transfer rates
Almost twice as fast on XP as they are on Vista
Games run at a higher framerate on XP than Vista. Vista has way more funny little bugs that i cant figure out than XP.
Ease of Use:
XP better than Vista
And the list goes on and on. Vista is only prettier then XP, that's it!
Oh and btw, thats XP without any service paks!
Of course vista is over 100 million to buy a pc u need to buy vista
I work for the #1 Life Insurance company in the world- all of our field agents are equipped with IBM think pads, and XP
My friend upgraded his desktop to Vista and everytime he plays Starcraft it crashes. He had to downgrade back to XP to fix the problem. I won't be upgrading to a Vista anytime soon.
I have Vista on one of my computers. It's not that Vista is a bad operating system, it' the fact that it's not really needed. It's a resource hog and I'm having a hard time getting some of my programs to work on it. You go though this every time you upgrade to a new OS. The problem is that there really isn't a reason to upgrade. Vista is not really better or faster at anything than XP and the requirements to get it run well is crazy. I'm not sure how long I'll keep it on my computer.
People need to stop complaining and wait for Vista's first real update. Just like all the others.
the problem here is MS don't want to give you the option to wait...their trying to shove Vista in your pie hole now.
besides, wasn't service pack 1 out already for vista?
Honest to god, I bought a new PC like two weeks ago with Vista, the only problems I had so far were mouse problems, but everything else seemed fine.
Why people keep saying that "they were forced to buy Vista"... why is that? didn't know Apple forces you to buy Vista.... also, Dell and other companies give you the option of buying their PC with XP...
Though I have 2 Computers with Vista, my main development environment is Windows 2003 and XP... I don't recall microsoft putting a gun on my head to upgrade to vista... they are currently supporting XP...
The days we live in... anyone that do not want to use windows (specially vista) have many options to NOT use it.. besides one can get linux by downloading it for free from the internet...
So, let's not confuse one thing from another... if Vista is covering some ground is because people are adopting it... I personally know a few people that wouldn't go back to xp... (not me) simply because the sofware they are currently using run fine with Vista and they are not having any problem... to me it wouldn't be a good Idea... I have legacy apps that wouldn't work on Vista... the same way I had some legacy apps that didn't want to work on windows XP when it was released...
I also find interesting the constant bashing against vista... that it's not good for games... and let me guess... Linux, OSX is? I bet you that with compat issues Vista runs more games that Linux and OSX put together...
You say Apple is better and linux? For what? to play music? To run a web server? yeah... this is a game site... so as far a gaming is concern nothing beats windows... Wake me up when I'm able to play crysis on the mac or linux...
I want to buy Apple when its way more overpriced and it has way less programs to run on it?
Or Linux with its compatibility issues? And higher learning curve?
So yes, you dont really have a choice, unless you are willing to pay more to get it with XP. And even then, not every company gives you that option.
The only real choice you have is to not upgrade and just stick with your old computer, some option. And i've been using Vista since Aug of 07, and i still hate it in comparison to XP. Its way way slower, way buggier, and way more bloated with junk i dont either need or want. The only reason I havent uninstalled it is because i am trying to learn it as much as possible. But after all these months, i still dont think its better than XP. As a matter of fact the reverse is true. The more i use it (which btw is more often XP now) the more i realize how much better XP is. I want faster, slimmer, less buggy. Not slower, fatter/more bloated, and buggier. And that's in comparison to XP Pro without any SP's
You never go back to crap.
I can't believe I wasted my time downloading Ubuntu. THey should name it WINDOWS RIP OFF. Ubuntu blows, the pre-packaged apps blow. It's performance really blows. Stick with XP or Vista you will be better off.
My friend got rid of Windows on his laptop and installed Ubuntu instead, and it actually ran applications a lot faster (and the installation process blew my mind). Charlie's laptop used to chug at everything.
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vista sucks would rather have linux to bad most game developers doesn't support linux.
Heres the thing, Microsoft keeps putting out new versions of Windows and Office and other products because thats how they make money. We understand that. However, it would be a much much better business model if instead of removing the old (usually just getting somewhat secured and stable from patches) versions, Why not offer a maintinence agreement. Those of us who are happy with the current version could subscribe for a yearly fee and still recieve new patches and upgrades to the versions we like. They could still offer the new versions, but this would put them in a position where they dont have to rely on a new version to make money. Win win. Anyone who doesnt want to pay the yearly fee, can just keep their OS unsupported after the cutoff date as they currently do. And anyone who wants the new version could also go that route.
As an IT consultant, this would aleviate many many headaches. Vista offers nothing useful to my clients. I would much rather pay a yearly maintinence fee per licence and keep XP until I see fit to migrate to something different.
I hear that brother.
Vista is right on track of course, which is why most businesses and universities are not buying it and people are PAYING to have Vista removed and XP installed.
It actually puts your RAM to use dumb a$$e$, I am an IT manager Vista is way better than XP, currently running it on 250 machines. Vista rocks, it runs alot faster than XP, unlike XP, Vista uses your RAM. VISTA USES YOUR RAM NOOBS
I find it difficult to accept the point of view of someone that calls others "dumb a$$e$" and types NOOBS using capslock.
Anyways... I use XP. Will change laptop soon... thinking about getting a macbook.. but will probably get one with Vista. Because of the games.
I enjoy playing the xbox360 "exclusives" on the PC. Since I own a PS3 as main console.
Two keywords that outline what you need to consider when talking about XP and Vista. It's all a matter of personal preferance and (in the case of Vista) having the patience to accept that maybe not every single game in your back catalog will work but that more and more games will migrate from working on just XP to working on Vista+XP, then eventually being focused on Vista, but that's a very long way off.
I don't see how having a background in any kind of IT service instantly means everyone should take that opinion as the gospel truth. Some people don't like change, some say that XP does all they need it to do and don't need Vista, some people have favourite games that won't work on Vista (according to them). It's all a matter of preference.
I recently got Office 07 and although I initially didn't like it too much (before getting it) I knew that it would help with my reports for Uni, and it has. As Office 07 is associated directly with the Vista look it turned me off of it and I stuck to 2000 for a while but once I got used to the new interface and functionality there are things that are major improvements over the previous versions. This is how I see Vista at the moment. Not many people like it, yet over time it'll become more accessible and more accepted as a 'good OS'.
For now XP is fine, but by next year I think I'll consider a serious upgrade from laptop to high spec desktop w/ Vista. I like XP and from what I've seen of Vista it looks good, although I haven't presonally used the OS yet. I'll wait a while for it to get up to speed in the gaming area and I'll hop on over to the Vista side.
false information. They sold 100 million licenses to PC manufacturers (who technically have no choice but to sell us computers with Operating Systems pre-installed), but only about 4 or 5 million of those are active, and the second largest PC repair service is actually the Removal of Windows Vista.
I already bought my 64-bit version of XP so that when I upgrade to a quad-core I won't have to worry about my OS eating half of my system resources.
Microsoft responds to Save XP petition MS - "F*** You".
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