GameSpot - PlayStation VP of hardware marketing John Koller says Sony will support aging console as long as development scene is running; claims $270 price point for new model a result of consumers' call for value.
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Before anyone says it, this doesn't mean that they won't have the PS4. It just means that they will continue to support the PS3 the way they supported the PS2 after the PS3 was revealed.I know people will start with the 'PS4 in 2016' so I am putting up a road block.
Sweet news. I wonder if Microsoft will continue to make new exclusive IPs and support the 360 till 2015 as well? I hope they do, but great news for PS3 owners.
2014 is too late, by that time, the Wii-U will be 2 years in the market with a big userbase and Devs would use it as lead platform for development, so every HW advantage will be useless for non First Party Devs.
That's not necessarily true. There other factors to consider. As an example, the DC was in the market two years before the PS2 came out and performed well on the market where support for the PS1 still continued for that interval. The DC was significantly more powerful than the PS1 and N64 but this time around the Wii U isn't more powerful than current consoles (so multiplat support should be even for the big 3).
They should support it through to November 2016 at least, as that would be 10 years. The PS3 could realistically be supported for at least 5 years beyond the ten year mark. Developing countries like India and Brazil are huge markets that haven't bought into this generation of consoles quite yet, and with the PS3 Super Slim being much cheaper to produce, you would think that Sony would be starting to push their hardware more heavily in those regions.
PS3 will still be a viable console up to the year 2020, as it still connects to online services and still allows people to buy items from the PS Store.
Sony = 5/10 year policy since the PS2 has ended up with 12+ year policy for support on PS2. Its starting to dwindle down in US, but its likely in some regions to be supported for a few more years.
PS3 will have no less than a 12 year cycle of support. 2018 is when I believe support might dwindle, but as they have stated they won't stop supporting it unless the sales drop to a low point for awhile. Which is why it is stated at least until 2015. They don't know where sales numbers will go when a new platform takes the lead. Sometimes it stops, sometimes it sells faster and other times it just stays steady.
The ps3 will probably be about 105million sold by then outselling all the consoles on the market now to be the second highest selling console below ps2. The ps2 might be around 180 million sold by then also
I do like that Sony supports their systems for years after they release a newer upgraded version. They are the only company that does that and its commendable.
30 mill for the PS3 in 3 years while the system already reached its peak while only selling 11.6 mill per year? Yeah that's feasible.
But as a PlayStation fan since day one I do commend them for continuing to support their older platforms. I wish Microsoft would've continued with the Original Xbox, that thing had the world of potential.
@ninjabake Your math doesn't make any sense. Where do you come up with it peaking at 11.6mil? The PS3's only been out ~5 1/2 years. It looks like you just took its total amount sold and divided by the number of years, because it would have to have sold at your peak number the full 5 1/2+ years to hit its 60+ mil sold to date.
vgchartz has this, which looks much more legitimate than your number: 2006 - 1.25mil 2007 - 7.95mil 2008 - 10.27mil 2009 - 13.02mil 2010 - 13.90mil 2011 - 14.12mil
If this new PS3 came out at $149-$179 (12GB Flash stock w/ HDD addable) and $199 for the 250GB it would have sold like hot cakes 18mil+ per year. With the announced price point, we're probably looking at more near the 10-13mil range per year for the next couple years (without a price cut, higher with if soon).
If it sold 41mil the past 3 years, 30mil in the next 3 years is easy with the $199, $179, $149 price points still untapped.
I want a ps4 now but it would also be nice to see a PS4 in 2015 because it would for sure be leaps and heaps better just due to the tech in 2015. One fear I have is if they rush it out soon and also try to keep it cheap like $399 then it wont look noticeably better then WiiU and it will be skipped by casuals. The core gamers only make up 12% of the market.
The next gen consoles wont use the newest hardware available. It will use hardware thats a year or two old. Thats how R & D works for consoles. If they use the newest harddware they wont have enough time to test how well the newest hardware will work in the chasis / case they want to use to make sure it runs cool enough and has enough airflow.
I would love for this current gen to last longer. If only developers decided to be more innovative and push the barrier a little, I think this current gen could last a least another 3 years. Just because I can, doesnt mean that I want to drop another 3-4 hundred for a new system. Especially when I have games on my current system that I havent had a chance to play yet.
i been saying this for a long time why won't both ms and sony do what nintendo did.
announce a new system next e3 than for the whole year build hype keep quite than e3 2014 show everything and launch date etc, that way all the attention will be on ps4 and xbox720 for 2 years like it was on wii-u
also since both xbox360 and ps3 are HD console expect the software support to last a lot longer than gens before just because most 3rd party publishers will port their games over to ps3 and xbox360 even after next gen console.
so software support till 2015-2016. enjoy this gen i don't know why everyone is in such a hurry because 3 years in y'all will be asking for newer systems when development is so expensive and long why would these billion dollar companies rush when their current systems are selling strong and that's without a price drop for a long time
Thank u smash. People can be such imbeciles. Sucks that u have to hold their hand and feed them such simple concepts as if they were babies. Sony always supports systems well beyond the next generation's iteration, like Smash said.
I made a dumb mistake last gen. I sold my PS2 just before the launch of the 360, and bought a 360 at launch even though I knew the PS2 had a lot of life left.
I was so anxious to move on to the Next Gen, and I probably missed out on some good PS2 games because of it.
I am taking the opposite approach now. I currently own only a PS3(sold my 360 in 2007 because of all the hardware problems), Anyway I plan to get as much as possible out of my PS3 before moving on to the Next Generation. As long as there are still games coming out that interest me I am not going to move on to the Next Gen.
Sony did start the "10-year-plan". Once the next Xbox and wiiU is released expect support for their older consoles to be dropped. I predict even after 2015 support and demand for the ps3 will continue.
Me too. I feel like PS3 games are finally starting to feel like the "next-gen" titles that were promised before launch. Give us PS4 in 2015. Who cares about Nintendo and Microsoft launching early?
I think it should be obvious right now that Sony care for more than just money. Sure they are a business, but if they only cared about money, they would only play around with safe ideas, would've charged for online years ago and now with Vita, and would cancel most games they have actually greenlit and continued to support.
Keeping customers happy and loyal on a long-term basis is hardly a waste of money. If you've bought something I don't think you'd appreciate to be cut off and be forced to get the new one. That's why I think Xbox fans have a weird sense of loyalty. Reminds me of stockholm syndrome in a way.
Well they did say "10 year lifespan" when it was announced. They did it with the PS1 and PS2, I don't know why anyone would think Sony wouldn't do the same here.
The even better part with the PS3 (that the PS1 and 2 didn't have) is that even with the PS4 out, they can still release some games digitally to the PSN on PS3 near the ass-end of it's life.
So manufacturing costs wouldn't matter to Sony (and third parties) when it comes to making PS3 games.
I don't want the PS4 to come so early myself, I'm just saying that there are chances that the PS4 will be revealed next year since we're in a similar situation to the PS2/PS3.
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have all said they will continue to support their current consoles. Support to me means they will continue to manufacture them, but I highly doubt they see much in the way of first party support after their collective successors have been released.
Third parties will no doubt still take advantage of large install bases and produce games. We'll probably see Madden 16 and Call Of Duty Black Ops 4 on PS3 and Xbox 360.
Once the PS4, Xbox 720 and Wii U are released, there wont be any first party titles, unless they were hold-overs that ended up delayed.
Looks like Zelda Skyward Sword was the last bang for Nintendo and the Wii, while Gears Of War Judgment was last for the Xbox 360 and I'm not sure what will be last for the PS3, because I'm not convinced they are releasing a new console next year, but their last huge AAA title seems to be Last Of Us.
why would you want that? If they did that than you will have to buy all your old games again just to play why not make it BC so we can still enjoy our games....take no offense but that was stupid to even bring that up man
@slaton24 if you read his post correctly he means because you have downloaded youre games digitally you will be able to download them onto youre new system because it under youre account. Take no offense but it was stupid for you to comment.
by "support" they basically just mean "we'll keep making the hardware as long as people are buying it".
how many first party games did sony release on the PS2 after the PS3s release? God of War 2 and ....... think thats about it.
theyd be stupid not to keep making PS3s, as itll keep selling as the price drops. but if they dont throw their full development support straight behind the PS4 we'll just get the PS3s first 2 years all over again.
"but if they dont throw their full development support straight behind the PS4 we'll just get the PS3s first 2 years all over again." I suggest you play those games instead of trying to make it seem like all of them were junk. Yes most of them were, but Uncharted: Drakes Fortune was a Hit and has lead to one of the highest rated franchises this gen. WarHawk STILL has a few thousand players every day(even the beta was more liked then Halo 3 beta). Heavenly Sword was a great attempt at a GoW, but sadly the devs shot themselves in the foot.
You won't be seeing a ps4 until Sony turns a couple year worth of profits on ps3. At least u can just buy the new wii u or the new Xbox next year. Sorry to hear this guys
regardless ps4 will most likely be released in the fall...if i remember i think ps2 was oct ps3 nov.....just be patient ps4 will come when its ready....do you want them to rush it and have problems like the 360 did at launch(RRoD) or some ps3s(YLoD)
to be fair though, they were being gouged by Intel and nVidia for that moneysink of a console. and, nVidia didn't learn and now they're out of Sony's next console...
Im in no rush to get into next gen yet theres still games yet to come this gen. If what previous console generations have taught me is to NEVER buy 1st generations hardware as they tend to crap out...*COUGH*RROD*COUGH*
Give me the ability to transfer all my data and play my ps3 and ps2 games on a ps4 and ill buy it day 1. I really do not want to have 3 consoles next to my tv.
Its a pity the PS3 is such a complex machine. The PS4 will almost certainly use off the shelf PC parts making it easier to develop for. If the PS3 had a similar architecture to a low end PC, games could be easily ported to the PS3 from the PS4, thus Sony tapping into the low end and high end spectrum of the market simultaneously. Looks like games will be independently developed for the PS3 long after the PS4 is released. I just dont see downloaded PS3 games as an option for most consumers. Not everyone has a unlimited data cap to download a 20Gb game. That said, Sony supporting the PS3 well past the 10 year mark was expected. It will be a choice for the developers to develop for the complex PS3 or risk it and go for the easier to develop for PS4 which will undoubtedly be a bit more expensive but could drastically cut down development time due to the less complex architecture. Its a pickle i tell thee...
they have to start giving it support in europe first. by support i mean a company that has even the slightest clue how to do its job, not the shambles that is scee.
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how long they will support the ps2? seems that energizer bunny really does keep going and going and going and going and....
huh ? except kk gears and halos and a forza every year...what do u mean exatcly by saying CONTINUE TO MAKE NEW EXCLUSIVES ?
this guy is joking right ?
That's not necessarily true. There other factors to consider. As an example, the DC was in the market two years before the PS2 came out and performed well on the market where support for the PS1 still continued for that interval.
The DC was significantly more powerful than the PS1 and N64 but this time around the Wii U isn't more powerful than current consoles (so multiplat support should be even for the big 3).
PS3 will still be a viable console up to the year 2020, as it still connects to online services and still allows people to buy items from the PS Store.
PS3 will have no less than a 12 year cycle of support. 2018 is when I believe support might dwindle, but as they have stated they won't stop supporting it unless the sales drop to a low point for awhile. Which is why it is stated at least until 2015. They don't know where sales numbers will go when a new platform takes the lead. Sometimes it stops, sometimes it sells faster and other times it just stays steady.
I do like that Sony supports their systems for years after they release a newer upgraded version. They are the only company that does that and its commendable.
But as a PlayStation fan since day one I do commend them for continuing to support their older platforms. I wish Microsoft would've continued with the Original Xbox, that thing had the world of potential.
Your math doesn't make any sense. Where do you come up with it peaking at 11.6mil? The PS3's only been out ~5 1/2 years. It looks like you just took its total amount sold and divided by the number of years, because it would have to have sold at your peak number the full 5 1/2+ years to hit its 60+ mil sold to date.
vgchartz has this, which looks much more legitimate than your number:
2006 - 1.25mil
2007 - 7.95mil
2008 - 10.27mil
2009 - 13.02mil
2010 - 13.90mil
2011 - 14.12mil
If this new PS3 came out at $149-$179 (12GB Flash stock w/ HDD addable) and $199 for the 250GB it would have sold like hot cakes 18mil+ per year. With the announced price point, we're probably looking at more near the 10-13mil range per year for the next couple years (without a price cut, higher with if soon).
If it sold 41mil the past 3 years, 30mil in the next 3 years is easy with the $199, $179, $149 price points still untapped.
So that would mean only 3 right? One per year.
announce a new system next e3 than for the whole year build hype keep quite than e3 2014 show everything and launch date etc, that way all the attention will be on ps4 and xbox720 for 2 years like it was on wii-u
also since both xbox360 and ps3 are HD console expect the software support to last a lot longer than gens before just because most 3rd party publishers will port their games over to ps3 and xbox360 even after next gen console.
so software support till 2015-2016. enjoy this gen i don't know why everyone is in such a hurry because 3 years in y'all will be asking for newer systems when development is so expensive and long why would these billion dollar companies rush when their current systems are selling strong and that's without a price drop for a long time
I remember Sony droped the suport of games PS2 after 7 years life time.
So, this is just some damage control PR crap from Sony after announce of Wii U...
I was so anxious to move on to the Next Gen, and I probably missed out on some good PS2 games because of it.
I am taking the opposite approach now. I currently own only a PS3(sold my 360 in 2007 because of all the hardware problems), Anyway I plan to get as much as possible out of my PS3 before moving on to the Next Generation. As long as there are still games coming out that interest me I am not going to move on to the Next Gen.
Then i as a citizen of the playstation nation i was living in my world, but played in there's. for many years
As 2006 came along, i was playing beyond and i am enjoying every minute of it.
why? because it only does everything.
Keeping customers happy and loyal on a long-term basis is hardly a waste of money. If you've bought something I don't think you'd appreciate to be cut off and be forced to get the new one. That's why I think Xbox fans have a weird sense of loyalty. Reminds me of stockholm syndrome in a way.
The even better part with the PS3 (that the PS1 and 2 didn't have) is that even with the PS4 out, they can still release some games digitally to the PSN on PS3 near the ass-end of it's life.
So manufacturing costs wouldn't matter to Sony (and third parties) when it comes to making PS3 games.
Creating value by raising the price. Pretty sure thats not what consumers mean by giving value.
Troll harder.
The PS3 Super Slim comes late 2012, announced life support for the next few years, so chances are the PS4 is revealed E3, 2013.
Third parties will no doubt still take advantage of large install bases and produce games. We'll probably see Madden 16 and Call Of Duty Black Ops 4 on PS3 and Xbox 360.
Looks like Zelda Skyward Sword was the last bang for Nintendo and the Wii, while Gears Of War Judgment was last for the Xbox 360 and I'm not sure what will be last for the PS3, because I'm not convinced they are releasing a new console next year, but their last huge AAA title seems to be Last Of Us.
how many first party games did sony release on the PS2 after the PS3s release? God of War 2 and ....... think thats about it.
theyd be stupid not to keep making PS3s, as itll keep selling as the price drops. but if they dont throw their full development support straight behind the PS4 we'll just get the PS3s first 2 years all over again.
I suggest you play those games instead of trying to make it seem like all of them were junk. Yes most of them were, but Uncharted: Drakes Fortune was a Hit and has lead to one of the highest rated franchises this gen. WarHawk STILL has a few thousand players every day(even the beta was more liked then Halo 3 beta). Heavenly Sword was a great attempt at a GoW, but sadly the devs shot themselves in the foot.
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So probably a 2014 PS4 release.
if i were them i would show it in e3 then the best time to release it is befor Christmas in next year, that's a way to sell a lot ...
still waiting for TLG and FFVsXIII...
That said, Sony supporting the PS3 well past the 10 year mark was expected. It will be a choice for the developers to develop for the complex PS3 or risk it and go for the easier to develop for PS4 which will undoubtedly be a bit more expensive but could drastically cut down development time due to the less complex architecture. Its a pickle i tell thee...
they have to start giving it support in europe first.
by support i mean a company that has even the slightest clue how to do its job, not the shambles that is scee.
because scee is not support, it's a piss take.