"Today, BioWare co-founders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk have announced they are retiring from BioWare."
Well it seems like after the lackluster success of Star Wars Online, the controversy surrounding DA2 and ME3 - EA finally pulled the plug and let some heads roll. I say: Good! Let someone else take over - however I fear that it'll be another indoctrinated EA manager. The good ol' days of BioWare seem to have come to an end. However if it was up to them and they decided to leave the industry as a whole - who can blame them. It's a broken thing these days. It's never nice to see people leave or loose their jobs, so I bid them farewell and good luck - but it doesn't come to me as much of a surprise. It was only a matter of time.
v0rt3x you may think this is good, but if you case study RARE. They didn't get better when the Stamper Brothers left, in fact many gamers would probably say, it was all downhill from there. You could be right or seriously wrong, once these founders direction is no longer evident in the development process.
@DevilishSix - I'm not saying its going to get better from here - the BioWare I know has long since past. It just doesn't come to much of a surprise to me.
I guess we'll find out if they ever move onto other jobs whether it was EA that pushed them out the door (literally), whether it working under EA that forced them to want to leave, or whether they just felt like it was simply time to go after being there for so long. Either way, best of luck to them for the future.
Very sad, you never know though. The people they have lead my actually put the ship on track.. Also, I see that they said the next game will be on "new gaming technology" does this mean next gen launch title?
Seeing as they are retiring exactly 5 years after EA acquired Bioware, I suspect their timing is more due to a lockout in the buyout agreement...
Ah, very insightful! I think your name is a little more accurate than most will admit.
This is true...
My thoughts exactly. Well put.
I apologize for the personal attack, but I am just tired of seeing a good company like Bioware that tries to push the gaming industry forward being crucified over small stuff. The character development and the inclusion of the ability to play as a gay or lesbian character is a truly bold statement. So many other companies shy away from the issue of gender and sexuality, but Bioware embraces this issue and tackles it head on. Yet the gamers give them so much hatred because of 2 or 3 games with bad elements out of the tons of good games they have done. I am sorry, but when I read this statement by you "EA finally pulled the plug and let some heads roll. I say: Good!" I just snapped and lost my patience completely. I shouldn't have personalize my comment like that but it was just a knee jerk response.
Sorry, but nope. Any lingering quality left in Bioware after it was bought into EA was likely there precisely because the 'old guard' still had some voice. The decreasing quality of Bioware games is most likely the result of their decreasing influence... This is how EA operates. It's happened before, just as Devilish 6 pointed out. If you're expecting Bioware games to somehow improve... you are sadly deluded. Hell, with this, Bioware no longer exists, period. It's just another "brand" in EA's library. Most of the real talent at Bioware left ages ago for Black Isle, and with the two founders gone, there's nothing left.
I just want to congratulate EA for making 2 people passionate about gaming quit their job *golfclap* This is only second to Capcom who overworked Ono so badly he ended up in the hospital.
It is a shame. The industry needs more visionaries like these men, whose brains were their greatest assets. Well, until ME3's ending that is.
EA wanted Mass of Duty. They said no. This announcement five minutes after the no. Just guessin' though.
Very Very funny!! + Bub to you pixelsword.
Get out while you can, the corporate machine that is EA have taken over what was once a great company. Congratulations Bioware, you're journey to the realms of Bullfrog, Maxis, Westwood etc will soon be completed. The company voted worst in America strikes again.
A truly sad they in the video game industry. I wish both of the doctors well.
EA is just one of the worst publishers around.They just destroy everything in sight by making studios aim towards casuals.What studio is next to be ruined?
Will they change their minds and come back if fans complain?
I see what you did there.
Thats sad those guys are legends in the gaming industry. i feel the degradation of bioware is nigh. Thanks for all the fish guys.
"not going to be working in games for a while, and there’s a strong possibility that I won’t be back." Uh huh. That's just something he's saying so he's not bashing EA... "If things go well, I’ll work on other beer-related shows, apps and projects. " Uh huh. We will see them with a new studio in a year or so. Best luck!!
I think these guys got sick of making games for crybabies and realized that they shouldnt work trying so had to please a bunch of whiny children who will complain no matter how minor the flaws of their product. I bet some of these gamers sent hate mail and threats to them over stupid stuff like ME3 ending and tehy said im not going to wast my time trying to please spoiled children any more. I know everyone will blame EA instantly, and im sure tehy were partly to blame. But these guys didnt just go start another gaming company or join a different one, they left the industry entirely. I think maybe the "fans" could have something to do with this as much as EA.
I think there is some truth to what you said. Between the fan reception of their recent games and pressure from EA probably became to much to bare. I envision a scene between the two doctors, where they sat down and discussed what was going on and they probably came to the conclusion that this was just not what they wanted to do anymore. Thus they are leaving just like they started, together. I wish them the best, they created some fun times for me and many others, they will be missed.
Well said! They will be sadly missed after setting the bar for RPG's the last two decades.
Bioware did what Bioware wanted. Living in Edmonton I've had the opportunity to hang out with a few Bioware and ex-Bioware folks. No one has ever had a bad thing to say about EA. Back in the day, Bioware were the ones saying DLC was the way they needed to go and it was EA that was pushing back in favour of physical releases. How times have changed. Bioware looked at what worked and what didn't, listened to the fans and attempted to make their games accordingly. But that's the problem. Anyone see any of the interviews while they worked on Dragon Age 2. The streamlining combat, the stripped down inventory system - those types of changes were all because that's what the average gamer was telling them. What they didn't account for is that probably the majority of gamers who were happy with the game were happy to simply stay quiet. Squeaky wheel gets too much grease in this case. And people were upset that Mass Effect 2 was more like a shooter and less like an rpg? You couldn't tell from the sales because ME2 crushed the first game. What's a company supposed to take away from that? At any rate, I wish both docs a happy retirement. Looking at the disgusting backlash that ME3 received for it's ending, the hate mail, the death threats to the staff, I wouldn't blame them if they just threw up their arms and said "F**K these people. They don't deserve our efforts. We're cashing out." Gamers aren't who they used to be. See Bayonetta 2.
That's a bit dramatic... but it might be true. I have a feeling these guys will be back soon though.
I don't think that's overstated at all. The BioWare we know is long gone.
It is very unfortunate that this happens to the good companies. Especially if they are bought out by some larger corporation. In turn, this leads to changes and sometimes for the worst. Besides, there are many good reasons why EA was voted Worst Company in America.
I wonder if this is forced in lieu of getting fired since the last 3 games have been border line fiascoes. First the Dragon Age 2 reception followed up by the multi-million dollar Star Wars disappointment and how can one forget the Mass Effect 3 issue that had to cost EA more money just to appease fans to try and possibly salvage the franchise for future releases in the series. This is one way to save face but we may never know.
Truly, this is the worst Bioware ending
Wrong, the worst ending was when they announced EA were buying them out.
No. That was the original ending... This is the extended cut. :-[
Who knows? Maybe they will need to "clarify" this and then follow up with more DLC.
Could be a blessing in disguise,free themselves from the oppressive EA regime under the cover of 'retirement',only to reappear a year later at the helm of a new project. Bioware ceases to be but it has been dead for awhile now anyways,in heart and mind at the very least. EA drags them all down eventually,in all likelihood it will destroy itself in time.
So according to the interview Omega DlC in the Autumn and a new Mass Effect in the works.
we have seen it time and time again... what will be really interesting will be what they have to say now they have left. we all know they were limited with what they could say while under EA's pay. Now they have left I think they will be able to be honest about how they felt they did with everything..
The founders always jump ship that is the way it works. They build up a company sell it then leave. People blaming EA for it are just being weird. The fact is Bioware did it to themselves. All company's do this they loose track of what made them great to begin with. Bioware has never been a company to make a lot of sequels to games but that is pretty much what they have been doing. They do better when they make a game then move on in my opinion. I just think it is stupid that when anything that is produced by EA people automatically blame them for it. End of the day it is Bioware's fault.
I hate to say it but I think you are right on this one Bioware just lost all focus on what made them so great. Still love to play Neverwinter Nights every now and then, but I truly hate what they became.
Neverwinter Nights. What a delightful game.
Another one in EA's kill count.
Only 3 more to go for the AC-130
The founders are gone & Casey Hudson is in charge of the Mass Effect series now?Any hope for the Mass Effect series has now gone up in red green & blue flames.
Casey was always the guy behind the ME games? Yeah he slipped up on the ending of ME3, but all the other games would've never been there without him!
what a nab lol dude get yourt facts before bashing something. he was ALWAYS the big boss of ME franchise
Not shocked considering the hell they have been through basically for the past 2 yrs... Dragon Age 2 fall out, Old Replublic and then Mass Effect. You have to wonder if EA was the leading factor in this. At some point you know they had ot look at each other and say... "f*ck this, it just isn't worth it".
nothing is wrong with me3 except the ending stop puting this game along trashes like da2 and swtor
I am talking about all the fall out that came about with the ending, not the ending itself. Whether you liked the ending or not you cannot deny it became an utter sh*t storm. I am sure that whole situation felt like it was spinning out of control for a long time.
Sad to hear those two leaving, but i'm really happy to hear that Casey is working on a brand new universe again! I can't wait to see it!
thank you fcking EA you ruined another great company
We are witnessing the coming end of an age in gaming ~~~~~~ Soon dark times of crisis and collapse will be upon us... The first signs are clear! Already we see multiple unexpected closures of legendary studios (e.g. Bizzare, Liverpool) as well as regular developers (e.g. Homefront dev.) We see legendary studio founders leave their companies (e.g. Capcom, Bioware, People can Fly, Team Ico) We see first publishers suffering collapse (e.g. Sega, THQ) Next to come are the following: 1. the fall of mid-tear games and studios, independent dev failures (e.g. Insomniac, Bungie, Respawn), publishers reduce amount of games, concentrate only on +big releases+ 2. next-gen hardware not repeating current-gen sales, very little hype and consumer interest surrounding them, gone are myths, excitement and promises for extraterrestrial power of Cell and Blu-ray, a $600 price will not be acceptable 3. the market becomes too fragmented, current-gens will be competition to next-gen (same features) that is divided between 3 similar 'kore platforms - 3 or 5 to support in order to break even making it even harder for developers to focus on the game causing decrease in quality and originality
I hope Sega dont collapse... Im STILL waiting on Shenmue :/
Getting away from EA will be one of the best things they ever done.
All I have to say is...What's a Paladin?
Well, the important thing is that Bioware is still going, and their style of video games survives with the company. I'd love to see Mass Effect return, but ONLY if it takes place post ME3. IMO there' nothing worse than a prequel because you already know what happens (unless it is coupled with a sequel to the original, much how the next two Metal Gear Solid games are going.).
Give me some Jade Empire loving bIOwARE mk11.....
this makes me feel sad...I love-ED Bioware. I wish they had never joined up with EA in the first place.
For those of you who disagree with me on my first comment above - read this: http://www.dsogaming.com/ed...
I am now convinced the head of EA must be the antichrist and I'm crying on the inside. Those doctors are good people. They love gaming, and over the years they have made many products people have come to love. I'm sad to see them go, I hope they resurface in the gaming industry as heads of a new company, and soon. To lose their talent is a loss for fans of gaming everywhere.
Yes, the five-year period was probably a buy-out option and/or retention clause in the agreement for EA's acquisition of VG Holdings (the parent company of Bioware and Pandemic). I'm not surprised that these two exercised it or that they decided to sell their interest in VG Holdings (Bioware) five years ago. Consider: 1. They built a successful studio by making games that tell the same basic story over and over, the Hero's Journey, in different settings (and shame on you if you haven't read Joseph Campbell). 2. They got tired of doing it and/or realized they they were running out of new settings. 3. They had a lot of equity in a very valuable but private company which meant that they couldn't cash out very easily. 4. EA gave them a way to do just that, cash out, by offering to acquire VG Holdings (Bioware), probably for some combination of cash and EA stock. Now the doctors would have some cash and a lot of equity, but it would be equity they could easily convert to cash (by selling EA shares on the stock exchange). 5.In order to help protect the value of the Bioware brand, however--and their investment in it--EA probably demanded that the doctors continue in some figurehead role for five years as part of the acquisition. That's not an uncommon requirement in corporate acquisitions because it conveys the image of continuity and stability, which helps to preserve value. And, voila! Exactly five years later, Drs. Muzyka and Zeschuk coincidentally retire at the same time to "pursue other interests". Wish them well, people, but, by God, don't feel sorry for them. They did what they enjoyed doing for a while, they made their dough, they knew when to get out, and they did. I wish them well, myself, but I'm also pissed off about all the bullshit they spewed over the last five years about their continued dedication to gaming and their passion for continuing to make great games with EA, which we now can see was little more than toeing the EA company line because they knew from the outset that they had to stick it out for five years and help protect the brand. Thanks, Drs., you gave us five great games. No thanks, however, for all of your shitty sequels and your obviously disingenuous corporate propaganda over the last five years. How does it feel to be sell-outs?
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