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Submitted by Nitrowolf2 1235d ago | opinion piece

Tekken the p**s: my issue with difficulty in Tag Tournament 2

TPG - Before I begin this opinion piece, let me make one thing clear: I love Tekken. Katsuhiro Harada’s beat ‘em up is the reason I bought a Sony PlayStation instead of a Sega Saturn, the reason I took up martial arts, and the reason my teachers rarely received my homework on time. From the moment I performed my first 10-hit combo at the age of ten, I was hooked. Consequently, I’ve purchased every instalment across all three PlayStation generations, become at least competent with every character, and taken part in a variety of official tournaments. In brief, I’m pretty handy. (PC, PS3, Tekken Tag Tournament 2, Xbox 360)

LOGICWINS  +   1236d ago
Very well written article. I remember playing Tekken 2 and 3 on my PS3 all the time when I was a kid. I had plenty of fun with the franchise despite not having the patience to learn even a two hit combo(except Law's Machine gun punch and Eddie's basic breakdance attack).

Shame to hear that this Tekken is virtually impenetrable for casual Tekken fans.

The people who say, "You just suck" don't realize that cheap A.I. is what stops casuals from getting into fighting games, thus giving the genre as a whole a bad name. If the genre has a bad name, sales dwindle. If sales dwindle, your precious elite fighting games that alienate 85% of gamers will stop coming down the pipeline.
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Septic  +   1235d ago
Gotta love the title heading.

I've noticed this problem in a number of fighters actually. End bosses tend to have similar difficulties regardless of the difficulty setting you pick. I do tend to play Hard modes by default and if I want to do a speed run I barely notice a difference in the end game. I think Street Fighter 2, Turbo HD Remix had a similar problem but I'm not 100% sure.
Mocat  +   1235d ago
AI respons to button input so if you start mashing the AI will punish you just like online, you have to use a strategie like keep poking lows so ai will defend low and try a launcher

even though unknow was a B**ch at the end to beat i still got on ultra hard
Baka-akaB  +   1235d ago
"Shame to hear that this Tekken is virtually impenetrable for casual Tekken fans. "

Except it isnt at all . I know you are talking about the boss' AI in this instance , and it's true that it's weird to be that "hard" on easy .

But otherwise in every other aspect the game did a lot to teach beginners right , between its moves menues , tips and various training modes
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krisq  +   1235d ago
Figh Lab is a great example.
mike1up  +   1236d ago
"You just suck"

Nice read. Sorry, couldn't resist lol.

It sounds broken, but aren't Boss Battles supposed to be tough anyway *shrugs*.

Thanks for the warning. I'll keep my fingers crossed for an update.
csreynolds  +   1236d ago
Don't worry my friend. I knew SOMEONE was going to bite... ;-)

I'm not going to contest your point; boss battles should be tough, but on the game's easiest difficulty setting stages seven through nine were brutal - even for me, and I've been playing Tekken for 18 years. The new 'bound' technique makes it too easy for the AI to knock you into the air and pummel you without remorse until you expire. If the first hit connects, you cannot defend against it. 9/10 it's lights out.

Again, I’m not saying TTT2 a bad game. It’s a fantastic tribute to the franchise, and playing other people is both fun and enjoyable, but the single-player component as it stands currently is an extremely frustrating affair.
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mike1up  +   1235d ago
I believe you.

In all honesty, I wouldn't put past Namco anyway. The Apprentice in Soul Calibur made me want to pull my hair out.

And yes, like you, I play "a little" Tekken myself *flex*.

I have been playing since Tekken 1 first hit the arcades. I haven't played any single player Tekken Tag 2 yet, but online multiplayer on Tekken 6 was "bound headquarters".
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SnowTheGoon  +   1235d ago
Great article, i had the problem with multiple fighters like Guilty Gear, Street Fighter 2 or even Mortal Kombat. Some characters (mostly the main ones) are designed the way so you can pull off really easy combos/super moves/wake ups etc. which basically means that playing against the AI is a pain in the ass. And since they spam the same moves over and over without giving you the chance to attack you're getting frustrated and once they got you they'll continue with a deadly absurd super mega combo leaving you wondering what the F just happened. The attacks are cheap and they AI wont make any mistakes thats why the difficulty stays the same or it just seems that it stays on hard. They really need to do something about it!
rezzah  +   1235d ago
Very true.

After MK 4 I noticed that Scorpion was always the easier character to play with over Sub-Zero.

This still hasn`t changed.
TheSpoiler  +   1235d ago
Unknown is a whore, but there's a trick to beating her, and most other Tekken bosses.

1. Spammable moves. She can't deal with Kaz's spinning legs of death. Since she likes to attack a lot, enjoy the counter hits you'll get off of her.

2. Lower down your aggression. How well you play is how well the game response to you. Look at Ghost Battle. If I'm doing horrible, the CPU will kinda scale itself back. But if I'm doing great, it'll knock me around.

3. Tag combos. If you can map them to your L2 button, you can hit that and juggle her all day since she hardly ever blocks it.
CYBERHATER  +   1235d ago
I've have been playing tekken since it was in the arcade and for the first 2 years I was a cannon fodder. But, after years of training and practice, I will beat you like you stole something! I enjoy playing 1 vs 2 because it's a challenge. Tekken is a very difficult game just like a real martial art, it takes practice and dedication. If you are a newbie or just a casual gamers and you run into a monster like me, you will be cremated and there is nothing you can do about it but train like rocky.
Ares84HU  +   1235d ago
Don't even compare this game to real martial arts!!!

You have no idea how wrong you are.
Ares84HU  +   1235d ago
I have a problem with the difficulty in the game as well. I've been playing Tekken since 1997 and ever since than I got every Tekken game on day 1. This difficulty problem for me with the final bosses started in Tekken 6 with that huge beast Azazel. Now it;s June and Unknown. If they get you in the air or on the ground your health is 50% gone if you are lucky.

At some points, I was feeling like throwing the controller into the TV.
rezzah  +   1235d ago
I think Azazel was pretty easy compared to June and Unknown.

You just had to read azazel`s moves and learn how to dodge or block them.

I beat him with every character and I plan to beat June/Unknown with every character too.
Ares84HU  +   1235d ago
Good luck, I guess!
Staude  +   1235d ago
Like many others here, I think that the AI can be frustratingly cheap in TTT2. I have every single playstation released Tekken sans the psp version of Tekken 6, and the non online enabled psn version of tekken 5 (only because it was pulled before i got a ps3)... oh.. and Tekken Hybrid :P I don't really see any difference in the opponents whether you play on easy or ultra hard in this game.. And it annoys me that you can't disable custom costumes in arcade mode :P both things takes a little away from the experience.. But instead, since you can unlock stuff including endings by playing ghost mode, I've taken to playing that one :P .. I hope they nerf the AI a bit and add a few more options to the game..

Including tekken ball mode from t3.. I'd pay for that :P

Other than the two things i mentioned, I do think the game is fantastic. Just a lot more unforgiving than previous titles.
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csreynolds  +   1235d ago
Valid point about custom costumes in Arcade mode. I personally feel they should be reserved for Ghost Battle and multiplayer modes. Some of them are just ridiculous.

As for Tekken Ball, I too would welcome the return of that bonus game, along with Tekken Force and TTT's Tekken Bowl. There's Harada's pay-for DLC model right there.
Ares84HU  +   1235d ago
I think custom costumes should be scraped all together. They are just all ridiculous looking and to me it takes away from each characters personality.
Baka-akaB  +   1235d ago
Not everyone and everything is ridiculous in customs .

If you care to do so , you can find and create costume that fits your characters that arent ridiculous . Hell in many cases , again if serious , you can get customs that are way better than the meager offering of official second costumes for tag 2 .
AusRogo  +   1235d ago
I've been playing Tekken since the first, and I'm not the greatest so I usually play easiest difficulty. But TTT2 on beginner is a pain from stage 7-jun/unknown, well Ogre isn't bad so count him out. It gets to the point where its not even a fun challenge. Jun/Unknown is cheap as hell and once she starts juggling you, you're gone. Other then that I absolutely love this game.
Ares84HU  +   1235d ago
I actually stopped playing TTT2 because of Jun/Unknown. I couldn't take the frustration anymore.
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