Epic Games' Cliff Bleszinski has suggested that he doesn't want next-generation consoles to include support for optical media.
Not gonna happen...optical media will stay for a long time.
Pretty much. Bleszinski might be overlooking the fact that not everyone would probably afford or have the means to go completely digital. Some people don't have access to a fast internet connection, some people have caps on theirs etc. In my case it's far more practical/cheaper to take a 10 minute walk to the nearest EB Games, buy a game rather than spending significantly more time downloading it.
Optical media will be here for the PS4 and 720. I just hope they BOTH have Blu Ray this time so there's a level playing field and the developers won't have any excuses for not using the available disc space this time. I'm sure the 720 will have Blu Ray this time though. It would be crazy not to. That would be like the Wii U coming out and not having Blu Ra.....oh. lol j/k All joking aside, I'm sure the 720 will have Blu Ray this time. I still wonder if the PS4 will have some sort of new 4K Blu Ray discs that it will play.
I agree. Have you seen the prices of full digital games? For example, I bought BF3 back in February for £30 brand new from Amazon. But on the PS Store, it is STILL £50. I bought MW3 about 3 months ago for £25, though I still see a steep price of £45 on some high street retailers. But, on PS Store, the game costs, wait for it, £60! And that is without any DLC; just the game. So, to sum up, optical/physical media isn't going anywhere for a long time.
Thats the exact problem sony will face with Gaiki or however its spelled and onlive on its own.
Bleszinski can zack my Dikszinski. Speaking without thinking, he does that often.
He only says this because Unreal Engine 4 might not be fully capable on the new consoles without a cloud service. Am I right?
That's the dumbest thing I've read today. It's just an engine.
Yeah, but Epic thinks the world revolves around their engine. What I am saying is that he is worried about it coming to consoles without the full ability like what can be present on the PC in 2013. Only way to counter that on a console would to have a quality Cloud service that could stream it at a higher resolution. That is likely what he wants anyway. An example of this is Crytek. There 3rd build of their engine has been around for awhile and pretty much does everything Unreal Engine 4.0 does, but they have not shown it all off in a trailer yet.
Already happening disc is losing the war. I like my game disc but throwing up your hands and saying "not gonna happen" is just denial. People just want to hold on to something, even if it's obsolete.
No they are right it is not going to happen this upcoming gen, optical media will be obsolete at some point, duh. Look for a flash memory device/drive to be the "discs" in the ps5/xbox 4.
What a load of bull. Optical media won't stay for long, it might manage to get on next gen consoles, but it'll be way obsolete before that gen is out. The vita finally got rid of optical media, pretty much all Apple products shun optical media and an increasing number of laptops are ignoring it too. Here are the downsides of optical media - it's bulky, degrades easily, slow reads, no writes, requires intricate moving parts in the console. Here are it's benefits - it's cheap. Solid state memory will kill it dead.
are you an idiot. you do realize that people have downloading caps on their internet services. Oh let me guess that somehow just gonna disappear. more & more companies are doing the whole cap services even now all phone companies are doing it. oh we must all be millionaires like who can just exceed cap limits and download so many GB worth of data in games. you haven't even takin into account that not all countries have any sort of decent internet services. consoles generations last every 7-8 yrs if you honestly think that somehow were just going to go digital in such a short amount time, then your delusional STFU
RivetCityGhoul, you asked me whether I was an idiot. I am not an idiot. I do not have to ask you, because I know you're an idiot. I did not mention digital distribution once. I mentioned flash memory, which will only continue to get cheaper. Why did you reply to my post without even reading it?
Bleszinski doesn't want discs on next-gen consoles well, thats toooooo damn bad CLIFFY B not going to happen. as XWOW said: optical media will be around a looooong time.
Yes and no, for movies/music yes, but for gaming rotational media needs to eventually die off at some point, because it is going to be slowing everything else down. The 2 slowest devices, in gaming is typically the hdd and disc drive. You figure the ps5 and xbox 4, will switch to solid state storage(ie flash cards/drives) for games, but maintain a disc drive for music/movies and maybe bc.
It could include a disc drive and still not use discs for games. A flash memory/solid state-type format would be great for games in terms of fast load times, better draw distance, no texture pop-in, etc. I just don't know how it would be feasible on a cost basis. A 20-40GB cartridge/card would cost a lot more than a blu-ray disc I would think. The ultimate goal I can't wait for is games installed on a solid state drive. Having the entire game ready to be read off the drive instantly at any time...developers won't know what to do with themselves.
I read the title and that was enough. NOT guna happen XD
I believe in cloud gaming and downloadable games but what I don't believe in is removing the physical media drives from consoles. The huge reason being is that not every gamer in the world has a strong and stable internet connection, so just because they can't afford or simply dont have one...you want to cast them out? Its strange because all the people who want to remove physical media from consoles never even bother to touch on that point. Also a lot of people want to sell their physical copies which is something you cant really do with a digital copy.
Tough, it's not up to you Cliffy.
Downloading 20 gig games is not my cup of tea thank you very much Cliffy.
Yeah, I don't really want to go through the trouble of delting one game, just so I can play another...then months later, I have to download the first game again if I want to play it again. Even with a large drive, it will fill up at some point. I don't mind if the option to download it is there, and I may even use it now and then...but I still want the option.
Yeah I totally agree that downloading takes way to long with the speeds that are provided to us. If there was a way where you were able to start to download a game but while you were downloading you could actually play the game while it was downloading in the background, that would be a lot better. But ips's are starting to put caps on bandwidths anyways so unless that changes sometime than physical we go.
I'm fine with no discs on consoles... As long as the publishers reduce the prices of games seen as they have no trade in value, no cases, no booklets, no discs, no manufacturering process to pay for and no distribution costs. We all know that won't happen though. They'll make some rubbish excuse up for why we have to pay more.
Then the attitude we give through emails to the various gougers lower the price or we will find something else to do. Psn still has a bunchaf ps3 players playing old games so I will just play old ps3 games until they bring ps4 download games to fair prices
My internet ain't fast enough yet.
Please, we do not all have 100Mbps internet ...yet. And I like to trade and borrow games from my bro.
I want my shit on a physical copy. Disc
Great developer of games, crap businessman... What kind of fool would opt out of physical media this early on in the piece.....He's a gen. at least too early & would either be cutting his games, like Gears, down to bitesize pieces that would equate to more episodic-like 2-3hr games that are souless, $20 rip-offs that have us poor consumers (un) lucky enough to have the interweb, eating from the palm of there hand & paying $180 (at least) to get a full game similar to the length & content that a disk based game like COD or such afford us. These geese developers like ol' Cliffy should shut up, & stick to developing videogames & leave the other, business stuff to the people good at it. I don't want bite sized, mobile phone like downloadable titles scattered all over my hdd. These guys just don't want to understand that there biggest market, the casuals, aren't as tech savvy, & don't care or even know what speed internet they have & what there download limit is. Then, even for more on the ball mid level to high level hardcore gamers, not all of us can afford the type of speed internet needed to download big a$$ game files, & as well as the ammount of gigs per month that is needed. My, as well as most of Europe (which is THE BIGGEST market in the world), do not have access to internet prices, speeds, etc, etc, to be able to make this a viable option at this stage. I would guess that 2 more gens would be needed to rely on physical media, then when PS6 arrives along with Wii-U,Me & Everybody, & Xbox 1920, will arrive without any means of taking physical media. I am not looking forward to that day, but nothing can be done.
It'll happen when we have free internet.
aint gonna happen buddy. takes me 2 days to download 15gigs soo this would kill me.
Console's doesn't want Bleszinski on next-gen Fixed !!
The day consoles go digital is the day i stop playing them. I don't want to wait an eternity for a game to download. given my connection speed i could walk downtown, buy a physical copy, walk home and clock the game before i had finished downloading the digital version. Not to mention servers can go down at the drop of a hat. If the servers did go down at 99% of a download how do you get a refund for that?
I expect in the next generation of consoles that every game will have a digital copy available to download. However physical copies will still exist and they are not going anywhere in an extremely long time. What cliffy said is just stupid in my opinion.
These dev's really think we are that stupid... Yes Clif, we know you would love a download only future... so we can't lend your games to our friends who maybe don't have the money to buy it or sell it back to the preowned market so we have a bit more money to add to our next game purchase. No doubt when they get the chance to do digital only, they will start chopping up the games into chapters and episodes while charging more for each one. Before you know it the overall price of a regular game will be a £100 because they are charging $10 for each level of the game. At that point I think I will quit gaming altogether
Maybe because gears plagued Craigslist postings??
A developer doesn't want discs next gen? Gee I wonder why? Maybe it has to do with removing even more consumer rights by making everything digital only, maybe it has to do with a tighter grip on that almighty dollar. Either way it's not going to happen. If it did, a lot of people would just give up gaming. ISP's aren't charities and they love bandwidth caps because they can charge extra for going over that cap. DL'ing games would be murder on those caps and with the way the economy is today most people simply wouldn't be able to afford all those costs. These idiot developers who think like Cliffy B don't care to realize that.
Not suprised a dev is happy to see the end of physical media. Easier to control digital copies and licenses. I for one am old skool. I like, nay demand a physical copy that is mine to play when I wish offline and to have in my collections.
Easy, sell disc but full installs might be required if devs want the performance boost over optical media.
If I didnt like physical media I wouldnt have 500 blurays. I'd just download BR rips for free.
I do. Sometimes I hate waiting an entire day for a game to download if its just easier to buy a disc.
why so he can charge $60 years after Gears of war 9 is out?
Well too bad. Because he's getting them.
I wonder if discless next-gen consoles will be an option for those who don't own a credit card. How will they be able to buy games if they're all gonna be digital-download?
Unfortunately his comment doesn't specify if he meant physical mediums in general or just the optical discs themselves. Quite honestly I don't see what the delivery system should really matter to the developers. If it's a I/O speed issue then they will likely have ways to install or have some sort of swap buffer storage or something. Research in that area would be more beneficial than just getting rid of the disc tech because you don't care to do the research. Disc media is cheap to produce, and not subject to pricing fluctuations that physical memory devices have. On top of that disc based media will likely always be cheaper to produce on a per-unit basis than static memory carts.
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