Saqib Mansoor of SegmentNext writes:"Don’t you just hate it when you see people following trends just to act like one in the crowd? Well, I do and I’m not too pleased with what’s happening with Bayonetta 2 either."
Because Bayonetta fans own Xbox 360 and/or PS3.
ok then shouldn't these "Bayonetta fans" be happy that a sequel to their favourite game is at least coming out rather then the game never seeing the light of day?
No, because most will still not be able to play it (regardless of their reason). Their support (for bayonetta) came from their console of choice ps3 or 360 (because bayonetta wasnt on a Nintendo console). So now, bayonetta 2 is announced as wiiU exclusive? Of course they'll be angry. And personally wouldn't care if it saw a release or not, if they can't even play it. It should of been multiplat, here's hoping its time exclusive.
@rattlesnake Yes they would be happy if they didn't have to pay $360+ just to play the sequel to a game they enjoyed, rather than $60 for the console they already own. Platinum Games / Sega made a mistake in allowing Nintendo to publish this. EA, Sqaure Enix, even Capcom would have been better devs. to publish Bayonetta 2 since they have partner contracts where you keep all rights, and they would have made the game multiplatform (PS3/360/Wii-U) and everyone would have been fine with that. They could have even put Bayonetta 1 & 2 on the Wii-U version so they could enjoy the entire series. Putting the game exclusively on Wii-U just eliminated a large portion of previous Bayonetta supporters, who didn't plan on buying a Wii-U. And they have every right to be upset about this whole ordeal. If you and others with that same view don't understand that, then there's no need to continue the conversation any further. Now sending death threats and bashing Nintendo are uncalled for and ignorant. It was a smart business move for Nintendo and their console, and wishing death upon them shows immaturity and just how ignorant people can be when they can hide behind a screen.
You guys are a riot . Where did you even get a hint of EA, Square Enix, Capcom or others even wanting to go near it ? Capcom frickin' recommissioned Devil may cry to a western developper , despite sales figures for DMC4 only inferior to King God of war , in the hope of selling more , and they are going to publish a platinum games this gen ? To boot , those guys ran away from Capcom for many reasons and would happily go back there ? EA ? and Square ? Get real Square only saved an open world urban game , those usually always has sales potentials
@ABizzel Yes, you are right if they had partnered themselves with another publisher they prolly would have gone multi platform and not alienate their already existing fan base. But no one stepped up did they? Nintendo saw the potential and cashed in. Like you said it was a smart business move on Nintendo's part. And at the end of the day the harsh truth is that the video game industry is a business and in business, someone's gain is someone's loss. The best we can hope for is that publishers and developers release quality products( on any platform) that are worth our money, and we do not feel cheated or conned if we end up buying an inferior product. If a game passes us by in this process for any reason, well another great game is prolly just around the corner to enjoy. That is my opinion at least.
@rattlesnake_906 someone's gain is someone's loss allright, nintendo's gain, bayonetta fan's loss. Saying that no other publisher would have picked it up or partnered with them is just heresay. This is why the real fans are upset.
I predict alot of bayonetta fans settling for watching playthrough videos rather than shell out hundreds of bucks for a system they do not want.
but if it released exclusively to PS4 or Xbox Durango they'd have to buy a console that i'm almost certain will cost more than $300 just to play, so either way they need a new console to play it anyway. so what's the problem?
In my 30+ years of gaming ever shunned a system out of spite because it received a game that I was expecting to come to my platform of choice. That is why I end up getting all of them. Its costly yes but certainly better than being limited to the wrong one. I'm not alone in this either. People have their reasons for owning the 360 and ps3 and wii and (insert other platform here). This is gaming we are talking about. Not diehard loyalty to your favorite sports team.
@rattlesnake & Baka-aka You guys act like you know who Platinum went to. There's no proof or evidence of Platinum going to EA, Cpacom, Square, Sony / MS (which would have been bad as well). For all we know Nintendo was the first publisher (first come first serve), the highest bidder (Platinum being greedy), or something completely different so don't act like it was Nintendo's saving grace that kept Bayonetta alive until you know facts. But it's a fact that Bayonetta being a Wii-U exclusive pissed off a lot of their fan base, and it's going to hurt the sales of Bayonetta 2, unless Wii-U owners pick-up the game, and seeing how the missed the first one it's unlikely millions will want to jump in on the second game.
I own a wii. I grew up with Nintendo. My favorite video game? Halo 3... I'm a fan of games I have friends and family who own other consoles. Let's think like gamers and stop thinking like this Bayonetta exclusive sucks. Bayonetta 2 is alive and it's coming. I'm happy, so should other gamers.
Cool. So gamers who bought and showed support for bayonetta on the ps3 or 360 (because it wasn't on the Nintendo wii), should be happy the game (bayonetta 2) is at least being made, though on a console they probably won't get regardless of their reason?
killerhog using logic. Then again, I'm neutral on this matter. I just feel meh about the whole thing.
I'm new to N4G. Like really new so I don't know how to respond to comments made by others on my post. @ killerhog. I agree that it is a bummer for people who supported bayonetta and probably won't get a WiiU for B2. I'm just saying its one game. Surely people upset about this have friends or family who might be interested in the WiiU and will pick up Bayonetta 2. They will get to play it. Now for people who don't have friends or family that like games and want to own it for themselves, that really sucks... Do I guess you are right. People like that should be upset. But it's very silly to get very upset over a game that can be experienced now that it is revived.
I'm a fan of games. I own all 3 systems, but I don't like nor do I play the Wii. Haven't in almost 2 years. The only reason why its still around is because my kids play it all the time. I don't plan on buying a WiiU. I have no interest in it, plus theres plenty of life left in regular Wii for my kids. So now I have no way of playing Bayonetta 2, a game I enjoyed playing on my PS3. So now I'm screwed. So YES, I am upset about the move to Nintendo. Am I making death threats like other morons on the internet, No, but I am very disappointed.
This will never be seen in another console other than the wii u. Nintendo is publishing it so no other consoles are in mind. I mean i understand how fans are mad but at the same time they have to understand that a sequel wouldn't have been made if it weren't for nintendo so they can really blame them. Sega didn't want to fund the exclusive so they ax the IP. People should be happy that a sequel can be consider an option.
people dont get it bayonetta fans are BLAMING nintendo for making it exclusive BLAMING platnium games for making it exclusive they have MISDIRECTED anger the game was dead, platnium games didnt find someone willing to publish it BUT people STILL think that nintendo STOLE IT from ps360... they didnt steal it, THEY HELPED IT STAY ALIVE they FUNDED platnium games game NO ONE ELSE WANTED TO platnium games is making the wonderful 101 for wiiu that helped them build a relationship with nintendo so platnium games had a DEAD IP in need of a publisher nintendo has a BRAND NEW CONSOLE in need if games everything else just fell into place NOBODY SOLD OUT NOBODY STOLE ANYTHING NIVODY WANTED BAYONETTA 2 NINTENDO DID
Smartest thing I've read in any of the Bayonetta 2 articles, you sir are a very smart person worthy of praise. People are just stupid and don't know that if it wasn't for nintendo, bayonetta would have just vanished into the darkness… Cheers.
Thank you. Really I mean it. The general user on this site is a moron.
Where does it say Nintendo funded Bayonetta 2? Please show me, cuz thats what every Nintendo fan has been saying. Also this SEGA cancelled it, did SEGA or Platinum games ever say they cancelled Bayonetta 2? Or did Sega say that they cancelled several projects? Lets be honest, since SEGA went developer/publisher only, non of their games ever touched close to 2 million units, only Bayonetta. So your convincing yourselves that SEGA is willing to release Jet Set Radio,Hell Yeah! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit, Super Monkey Ball, Sonic Racing, Football manager, Yakuza 5, Phantasy Star Online 2, Aliens, The Cave and Total War, all which will not touch near 500,000 units but cancel Bayonetta 2? Please!
Because they have to buy a whole new system to play it? Will be forced to use a controller that many disliked at first sight if they do buy a WiiU? FFS; I mean that I'm not a fan of the game and I understood that the second the weight of the announcement set in. Why are people/defenders of this not comprehending such a simple thing? People cannot afford/don't want to buy every console/handheld to play their favorite series/franchises. We've been arguing this point since the 360 and PS3 launched and the word "exclusive" became a meaningless PR term. @rattlesnake_906 No. They weren't "sitting on a goldmine" because either the game honestly didn't sell, or it didn't sell well enough for Sega to take a chance on a sequel, because apparently to new logic sequels don't sell as well as the original title. The first game would have been a minor note if not for the drama surrounding it, which again didn't help it sell. Likewise as a launch/launch window title for a new system, there's a good chance that its not going to sell well. The family market that was attracted to the Wii certainly wont be attracted to it. I get why Platinum's took this chance, I just don't think that its going to do especially well for them. Not like putting this sequel on both the PS3 and 360 would have. Then again I'd be willing to bet they still hold all IP rights and the game if not a 3rd sequel will be headed to the PS4 and Next Box - where all this crap with the fanbase will happen all over again.
I get your point about not being able to afford another console just to play a single game. It's a valid point. But what about the developers side of the story? They were sitting on a goldmine and yet no one was willing to fund their next game and publish it on the 360/PS3? So what they were suppose to do when a dominant force in video game industry made an offer to bankroll them? Just say no?
If it were a goldmine then they wouldn't need someone else to fund it.
Even if you couldnt afford the new console and had to skip it ... at least it gives the serie another chance to live long enough to appears later on future other platforms including yours . half the people complaining didnt even get Bayonetta from Platinum games to begin with . They never developped a ps3 version , sega did on their own . it as alays an exclusive technically The only truly sane reason to complain imo , would be if the sequel showed hints of being bad and compromised , like people felt with DmC and NG3 . Then you could prefer seeing the game dead rather than raped . But so far all points to a regular Bayonetta sequel , except on a given different platform . hell no one is even mentioning Vanquish yet . I'm pretty sure it will be dead unless someone decide to bankroll it . it's not as if regular publisher , or Sony and Microsoft seemed even interested by platinum stuff
Those people having to skip it, because it's on a new console, will send it back to the same fate of floating in limbo looking for another publisher. And if sales are as low as I expect by being a Wii-U exclusive then it's going to be even worse this time. Bayonetta just isn't the type of game for the Nintendo audience. For those people with a PS360, Bayonetta being a Wii-U exclusive is like being canceled anyway if they have no intention of buying a Nintendo console thanks to it's "For Kids" image. Nintendo is trying to break that image and adopt a "For Everyone" image, and that's great, and exactly what they needed to do to make Wii-U cater to everyone outside of Nintendo Fanboys. But the fans of Bayonetta have a reason to be upset, since they now have to spend $360 just to play the sequel to a game they liked.
You dont know that for sure , and even so ... keeping it alive for yet one more good game and long enough for it to appears in the future , be it as a port or a bayo 3 or 4 on widespread consoles is definitively worth it . At least in my book , it's better than death , then the unlikelihood of any reboot , and even less certainty of a reboot being any good if greenlit . And like you said , Nintendo is trying to break away from their image among "core" gamers . You do need titles like Bayonetta for that . That's at least a possibility of them bankrolling unlikely to be successful games , for the sake of building a portfolio , at least for one or two games . It beats : - activision or EA swooping in , and deciding they want their money's worth and making a travesty of the game . - Just no one even wanting to show up
You dont know that for sure? Know what? That Bayonetta won't sale well on the Wii-U? If so I don't, that's why I said I EXPECT it to sale worse. It's a fast action / violent game. Look up all the hack and slash on Wii. None of them broke 1 million in sales unless you count Zelda as a hack and slash, so why would Bayonetta do it? And if Bayonetta falls into the same low sales as all the other Wii hack and slash then it's going to have a harder time finding another publisher, which is why they have to release it as a timed exclusive if at all possible. It makes no sense from a "Business Expansion Standpoint" like Platinum claims it was to put Bayonetta on the Wii-U exclusively. Nor are there that many hack and slash games on Nintendo platforms, because developers who make those games know that the PS is the platform for that audience. Even though Bayonetta was an awful port to the PS3 the PS3 version still outsold the Xbox 360 version, and every hack and slash will sell better on the PS3 9/10. IMO it was better to wait in limbo for a multiplatform release than to release exclusively on the Wii-U. Perfect example, is the current fallout from fans. No company ever want this kind of PR nightmare on their hands, and this all would have been avoided if the game was multiplatform. I don't know any other way to say it, so if you guys don't get it then I'm done explaining. Nintendo did nothing wrong. They did what was right for their business. Platinum Games, however, made a bad decision making Bayonetta 2 a Wii-U exclusive. It alienated their ENTIRE fan base, and forces them to pay $360 to play Bayonetta 2, rather than paying $60 for their current gen console. EA has a partners program speciafically for aiding developers and allowing them to keep their IP's and work as an independent developer (Insomniac is doing this). Platnium is working with Konami on MSG: R, and could have simply asked them. Many of the employees of Platinum Games worked at Capcom at one point of time, and could have asked them. Namco Bandai are willing to take chances and love making combat heavy games like Tekken, Anime fighters, and Asura's Wrath. Square just picked up Sleeping Dogs from Activision and saved that game from limbo. They could have done the same thing for Bayonetta. Any of those 5 developers seemed like a better choice over Nintendo, but now that I think about it more it was probably Sega who chose this. They need them money, and Nintendo and MS have a lot of it, so they were trying to feed their pockets. Either way I wish the game the best of luck. I'll be getting my Wii-U probably next year (after a decent library builds up) and I'll get the game. As for everyone else I'm sorry that happened, and hopefully you'll get to play it some kind of way.
the REAL problem is this bayonetta fans are BLAMING nintendo for making it exclusive they are BLAMING platnium games for letting nintendo make it exclusive you honestly think that if platnium games had a choice between releasing it on 3 console rather than 1 new console they would pick the latter? the game WAS NOT GOING TO BE MADE AT ALL platnium games is making a game called the WONDERFUL 101 FOR the WiiU dont you think they built somewhat of a relationship with nintendo? PG has a DEAD IP nintendo has a BRAND NEW SYSTEM in need of games see how it all comes together?
I like the amount attention this game is getting. The more you hate, the more people get to know about this game. It's like free advertisement to people that never ever heard of the game, especially for those that own Nintendo consoles.
I like your comment why sharply reminding you that people who own Nintendo consoles are aware of games that aren't on Nintendo consoles.
Here's why gamers are upset: If the Wii U was exponentially more powerful that the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 then fine, Bayonetta 2 would have to be on the Wii U because the PS3 and 360 couldn't run it to its necessary potential. But the PS3 and 360 could, without a doubt, handle Bayonetta 2 since the Wii U really isn't that much more powerful that the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, respectively.
Somone asked him about that and he respond to him with this pic : https://twitter.com/PG_kami... It looks like Kamiya really hate Sony .. oh well :\ !
That's quite a bullsh*t claim anyway We know that the Wii U is more powerful than the both . And can actually handle their full vision for the first game at least , in 60 fps without compromising as much as they had to on 360 (let's not even dwell on the crap sega port on ps3) . How the hell do you even know what they want to do in the sequel , and if it's possible to handle on a ps3 and 360 ?
It's a no-brainer: Wrong target market.
only when you keep believing the target for the console remain the same as the wii
with Wii U nintendo does seem to be targeting a more mature audience with games like batman, mass effect 3, ninja gaiden 3 in it's launch line up.
But releasing ports of games that came out a year or more ago isn't going to draw in the core gamer, they've already played these games. Having now tried the Wii U I'm even less interested than I was before trying it, and I didn't think that was possible. It was not a big graphical leap, some games looked worse than on other consoles. And that controller is just huge and feels cheap.
And yet you know it's not only ports . At least if you didnt get it , you might slowly (or maybe even faster in the coming months) with announcement like bayo2 . besides a good chunk of those titles arent late port , but coming pretty much alongside the rest .
actually most adult nintendo fans i've met online or in person are anime fans, and guess what bayonetta is like?......bingo! it's like freakin' anime. so the audience is there. just check the wii u facebook page or any given anime or nintendo forum
I am a huge Bayonetta fan. Just seeing this game come out is worth it to me. It doesn't matter if it's for PS3, 360, or WiiU. If fans of Bayonetta wanted it they can save to buy it. It is so annoying to see all of these people complaining. They need to grow up already and learn to appreciate all of gaming.
This. I had to buy a whole new console get Dead Rising and the and Metal Gear Solid 4. You didn't hear me whining like a baby and outright attacking the people who make the games like a spoiled brat.
Wow, first person I've seen to say this. Crazy if you think about it. I understand Bayonetta fans' anger, that they don't want to buy a system for one game, but that's thing, you THINK you'd only be interested in that ONE game. Even if someone is legitimately NOT interested in the Wii U games at launch/launch window, there WILL be other Wii U exclusives down they line that they'd be interested in.
Exactly. I think we're passed the time of 'Virtual Boy' platforms. The Vita is struggling to find an audience and the primary reasons are its library and price. Both of those are bound to change. The same can be said for the Wii U.
Because we don't want to buy a WiiU. I'm not going to play Beynetta 2 because it's on WiiU, and though I'm not really mad about it, it is still disappointing. It was easily one of the best action games of the generation, the best IMO until GoW3 came out.
Bayonetta >>>>>>>&g t;>>>gow3
Easily the most hated gaming company out of the big 3 (myself not included).
nah all three of them get equal hate from the fanboys of their 2 rival companies i feel. :-P
Depends on the person. I don't 'hate' Sony or Microsoft (though I'm not very fond of Microsoft anymore) I just happen to like Nintendo more than Sony. That's basically all it boils down to.
No1 is gonna buy a wii u just for Bayonetta 2.. Its a great exclusive to have but not worth buying a system.. Im not mad but some ppl are even canceling their pre orders for Metal Gear Rising cuz of this.. Its not platinums fault either.. Blame Sega for not publishing it.. Nintendo stepped up & saved the series from going under.. Thats commendable.. Ill pick it up on wii u if i buy one
I dont even blame Sega they are in the business of making money, and when a game on multiple platforms only sells 2 million copies thats not a good sign. So you could say blame the gamers that did not buy it, or the fact the game was just bad/mediocre besides the combat. Maybe even launching it around the same time as God of war 3 and Darksiders could have effected it. @divine assualt Well it has alot less games to go up against on wii u so who knows it might sell better or it could bomb like madworld did.
agreed.. I see their point of view.. It didnt really blow up on 2 well on two established consoles so wii u will be even less..
Only sold 2 million copies? I hear this all the time, but I got to tell ya, I think 2 million copies for a new IP in this genre is pretty solid.
WIIU exclusive? No sale for this game LOL.
I guess these so called "Bayonetta" fans are more of the "If I can't play it then no one should." If you a true Bayonetta fan you should be excited that the game is coming out at all instead of just fading into the abyss. Even if it is no on your preferred console. I personally don't believe Bayonetta 2 will sell the WiiU as an individual game but will help nudge those on the fence. Personally I've got my WiiU pre-ordered and plan to enjoy all it has to offer. From Bayonetta 2 to Pikmin 3. I love video games, which is why I will be buying the WiiU and probably whatever console Sony and Microsoft launch. If it is a money issue for people then that sucks, but that is life. Some are lucky, some are blessed, some just not so much.
It's also just plain common sense, if there is only 1 or 2 games you want for a console, its not worth your money. Bayonetta fans aren't typically Wii owners, this is platinum's folly.
Yeah but you make it seem like there's only ever gonna be those two games you want on the damn thing. I have almost never played my wii compared to other machines I own, but I've still played more than two games on if
Yet another article fanning the flames of gamers who are disappointed it is Ninty exclusive. Can't these so-called journalists yet it go. Let the healing began and stop writing articles about disappointed gamers.
The reason is becuase most Bayonetta fans don't seem to realize that Bayonetta 2 was originally cancelled due to Sega loosing intrest and refusing to fund or publish the game. They all assume the developer chose to make it WiiU exclusive, They didn't. The game was cancelled due to lack of funds when the publisher bailed and the franchise was then picked up and is now OWNED by Nintendo. If you really want to blame someone, blame Nintendo for being nice enough to resurrect a dead franchise that no other publisher wanted. Or better yet, blame Sega for bailing out of it.
The franchise is still property of Sega and Platinum Games. Nintendo only has rights over the second game. As far as rights go Bayonetta 3 could go multiplaform or Sony/Microsoft exclusive.
Regardless, This still isn't Platinums fault. The game was dead and Nintendo offered to provide funding for it. If anyone is to blame, its Sega. Platinum games had no say in the matter (unless they were willing to just let the game die) and Nintendo should be thanked for offering to fund it when nobody else would.
Because they are "FAN" boys!
ROFL I find this VERY funny. The MAIN reason they are pissed is because its on a NINTENDO system. I own Bayonetta and i Have PS3 AND WII and they funny thing is it was originally meant for 360 anyway. it is indeed an AWESOME game and i cant wait to get the sequel they are just mad because nintendo got something awesome. so yeah that proves that not ALL bayonetta fans own JUST a ps3 or 360
First, I don't care for the Wii U controller, however, the Wii U pro controller has no tablet and has a 360 layout, which is perfect. Also, for those of us into that genre, look into Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge, I have played NG3 on 360 and was disappointed in the title and very critical of it, but from what I have seen Razors Edge looks much improved. Additional characters to play, in game weapons, not some BS DLC to purchase after the fact and I see they brought dismemberment back into the game. Check out the trailer and you will see what I mean. So for me Ninty is getting closer, I am not quite there but Bayonetta 2, NG: Razors Edge, and Wonderful 101 is almost enough for a console purchase. I just need a couple more games and I will be able to justify getting the Wii U for Bayonetta 2.
Well they are complaining because gamer's have become so spoiled this generation. Their sense of entitlement really overwhelms me. I think a lot of it is clearly fanboys that are upset that Nintendo actually has some core games for the Wii U, or that Nintendo swooped in and saved a game that was about to be shelved entirely. There was going to be no Bayonetta 2 until Nintendo stepped in. People keep assuming 2 million sold for a new franchise means its a success, that isn't the case. I enjoyed the first game on my Xbox 360, the second game I'll be enjoying on the Wii U. That is the upside to owning all the consoles, nothing is ever exclusive to me.
This is exactly what they did for Sin and Punishment: Star Successor. It didn't sell well, sure, but it made *me* happy to buy a Wii when it was at the end of its cycle, on the cheap. I'm not regretting for a second that Nintendo pulled that franchise from the ruins and gave Treasure a shot at a sequel. Just keep in mind what Sega's going through. They can basically afford to revive their old titles at the moment, and that's it. That no one truly made a sequel to Rez (because Sega sat on the IP and Miz had to step around it with CoE), that we haven't seen a Panzer Dragoon since Orta, that United Game Artists and Amusement Vision no longer exist, are all tragic consequences of Sega's long, drawn-out crash. I'm glad *someone* took the reins for a new Bayonetta. So, I'll wait, the way I did for S&P2, for Bayonetta 2. It'll be a while, at least until I don't have to spend over 300 on hardware, but at some point, I'll play that. I've got other stuff to do, I can wait.
-People are lucky it is even coming at all, Spoiled punks, just shaking fat a-holes out of their comfort zones so they may have to stop talking trash on Nintendo and buy a Wii U, who knows they may even like the Wii U! I will take Bayonetta 2 next year rather than like 2016 on the Next xbox and playsation, or even worse, Never...
by the logic i see here, final fantasy 13 versus should be a multiplat too? i mean, ff13 was on the xbox, the ppl that brought it should be able to see the rest of the FF13 universe history without buying another console right? metal gear should be on released on the wii-u too as ppl that played the first one in the nes and the twin snakes remake on the GC should be able to see rest of the story in the series universe right? right?
I'm not complaining I'm actually happy it's a wii u exclusive plus I wanna see what they going to do with the controller (^_^) can't wait