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Nintendo confirms a few Wii U specs: memory, game disc size, more

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata confirmed a few new Wii U specs during a Japanese presentation today. (Wii U)

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LX-General-Kaos  +   798d ago
It seems that the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system will be properly kicking off the next generation of Elite gaming. Sporting powerful next generation specs to deliver a seamless experience online and off to the Nintendo Elite supporter this holiday season. Everything seems to be going well just as I and many other positive supporters had imagined.

Delivering futuristic high end specs that look to be leaps and bounds ahead of what is currently available on the home console market today. Just as beautiful as a new born baby. The Nintendo Wii U entertainment system looks to be a wonderful, and very capable piece of next generation hardware. This holiday season can not come soon enough.

Have a blessed day and happy gaming

Rated E For Everyone
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CaptainPunch  +   798d ago | Well said
Nice PR talk
Army_of_Darkness  +   798d ago
You definitely work for nintendo lol!
"Delivering futuristic high end specs that look to be leaps and bounds ahead of what is currently available"

LMFAO!! I just luv that line, classic! Like what normal gamer talks like that?! really?!
Septic  +   798d ago
Lol yeah, that was a bit odd.

1GB for OS seems crazy! It must be for some crazy multi-tasking and streaming content to the screen on the controllers. 1GB for gaming does seem very little for next-gen consoles though.

Still, it should be enough for Ninty to produce some great games and hopefully enough for third party developers to not be haemorrhaged by limitations.

Rated R For Retarded
I really wish LX-General-Kaos would quit doing this PR talk on every Nintendo article.
Hisiru  +   798d ago
@Septic
They will probably test the OS for stability and then they will release more ram for devs later. They won't use 1GB for OS forever. 500MB at max
gaffyh  +   798d ago
Pleasantly surprised so far, couldn't imagine 1GB for OS ever. Suggests that they are leaving a lot of room for new features if needed, and I guess later on in the lifecycle they can update the firmware to give part of this back to developers.

"Game discs are 25GB, discs run at 22.5 MB/s."

So this is an unlicensed Blu-ray disc, that runs at 5X speed? Seems weird. PS3 runs at 2X which is 9 MB/s, should help a lot. I'd expect that Sony would go for 8X at least when they announce PS4, and I'd expect the same from MS too.

Now I just want to know processor/GPU speeds.
DeadlyFire  +   798d ago
@gaffyh
Power 7 is confirmed.

GPGPU is now confirmed. E6760 likely candidate, but there are stronger candidates out there that many are unaware of floating around. Basically any Mobile series AMD GPU could qualify. So its not out of the question that WiiU has some might behind it.

Honestly GPGPU confuses me, but I just look at it as AMD Llano type performance with 576 Gflops from E6760
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Bigpappy  +   798d ago
It looks strong enough to run some good 1080p games. If developers take full advantage and the online has full voice chat and easy of use, Nintendo could create some serious inroads by the time Sony and M$ get their systems to market.

It all depends now on how impressive the games look when people walk into the Gamestops and Bestbuys the holiday season.
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raytraceme  +   798d ago
Btw to the people who know their tech. The wii u has a tdp of 75 watts. This is going to be a weak system. I guesstimate gpu to be on par with an amd 7470 which has a tdp of 27 watts. The Wii u is about 2-3 times more powerful than the Xbox/ps3.
scissor_runner  +   798d ago
@raytraceme
They could ramp up the ghz but that would lead to systems that burnout. Nintendo does make those type of systems. Mid ghz mixed with crazy bandwidth and a balanced approach works better. Go check out what amd just released in the professional gpu computing space and you will see balance and full core usage is how they are getting higher performance from their high end chips not ghz. You want to do more percycle not just have more cycles.

This also means amd can actually make the chip which is why another system may get delayed.

Look up system on a chip designs, the power7, what amd is trying to do with apus and why lower power makes more sense. Nintendo was smart to go with the power7 for the CPU.

What I like the most is the disk read speed!
guitarded77  +   798d ago
I think LX-General-Kaos is Reggie's n4g account.

I'll be getting the Deluxe Wii U... seems like it's worth the extra $50.

Rated M For Mature.
darthv72  +   798d ago
interesting...
Japan pricing of $338 basis and $405 premium could translate into $299 US basic and $349 US premium.

Premuim also includes 2yr membership to nintendo network so it looks like they are going the xb live route.

Launch in the US Nov 18 and JP Dec 8th. Now that is a twist. Usually they launch in JP first or try to coincide all launches to be within a few days of each other.

Oh and JP Dec 8th...? No disrespect but, who came up with that date? LOL
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Razmossis  +   798d ago
These specs only make me excited to see what Sony and MS are going to have to feature in the PS4 and Xbox 720. I doubt they would allow themselves to be bested by Nintendo hardware, for ego's sake!
vulcanproject  +   798d ago
A few times more powerful than 360 and PS3 at best case scenario.

75w max TDP does indeed confirm this as well as only DX10.1 level render hardware, meaning...dated. Radeon HD 4 series. R700.

The 75w TDP is a hard solid fact, this confirms it to anyone that will still deny Wii U is just a slightly heated up Xbox 360. 4 times the performance, tops.

If the entire system can only pull down 75 watts then best case scenario is maybe 55 watts for the GPU, at most. Probably less in reality, more like 45w, but I am being generous at the top end of the scale.

On the latest and greatest process of 28nm this means something like a 7750, AT BEST.

In terms of the Radeon HD4 series, thats more realistically like a 4770 core roughly because of inferior power management. Maybe it'll have more shaders enabled than a 4770 but it'll probably run at a slower clockspeed and be slower than a 4870, I guarantee that, you can take that to the bank.
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No Way  +   798d ago
KingOptimusOrigin111 -
Iduno ... he's not much different than DarkSniper for the Sony side. :P
darthv72  +   798d ago
external storage confirmed...
from destroid via engadget:

If the increase in internal Wii U memory had you considering the more expensive Deluxe set, then you'll be happy to note that the system will allow you to increase its storage capacity yourself -- without the need for any weird workarounds.

"You can plug in a full-on three terabyte hard drive if you want," explained Nintendo of America CEO and president Reggie Fils-Aime in an investor Q&A. "I'll love you as a digital consumer."

Continuing, he says: "The reason we did it that way is that the cost of that type of storage memory is plummeting. What we didn't want to do is tie a profit model to something that's gonna rapidly decline over time. We'll let the consumer buy as much as they want, as cheaply as they want."

Engadget also reports that the hardware necessary for TiVO and DVR functionality is not built into the Wii U, so in order to make use of such features, you'll need existing hardware
sikbeta  +   798d ago
@LX-General-Kaos

Whatever you say, when PS4 and XBX3 come out, WII-U will not be anything you wish, doesn't matter though, as the games will be there as usual, but to proclaim it something that it's not, doesn't work

As usual, Nintendo Console for Nintendo Games, anything else on PS4/XBX3 or both to get the most out of the gaming world...
Sarcasm  +   798d ago
Are you guys really basing the performance of the system on how many watts it can pull? I understand that you can somehow base it on certain components like gpu and cpu, but we don't really know the real efficiency of either.

It's like a 63W ivy bridge processor which blows the doors off a 125W AMD processor. (not starting a cpu brand war here, just an example.)

Still, the 1GB of RAM is going to help this system a lot. It might just be Xbox360/PS3 graphics but with more RAM so it will probably be able to do more real 1080p games.
vulcanproject  +   798d ago
"Are you guys really basing the performance of the system on how many watts it can pull?"

YES.

This is a pretty good metric of GPU performance in particular. CPU TDP comparisons are not relevant. When we KNOW the maximum efficiency of current GPUs on the best process available. We have a known quantity, having the base architecture now as R700.

We KNOW roughly the fastest and most efficient GPUs on 28nm that pull down 50 watts or so.

There is no avoidance of this, there is no magic bullet that can make any GPU design on 28nm in Wii U significantly faster than what is commercially available. You don't get even 7850 performance or whatever on less than 60 watts, it is totally impossible on the best available GPU node around.

It is obvious to anyone that understands the GPU industry.

It simply isn't possible to build a significantly faster chip on 28nm than the ones I outlined. If you want maximal efficiency just look at laptop chips, because these are specifically designed and cherry picked for low TDP and maximum efficiency. Only the best samples make it. Wii U won't even have the luxury of this cherry picking of dies (as it is expensive)

GTX 660M and Radeon 7870M are as efficient as it gets for the sort of TDP Wii U has and we are talking 1 Gflop max. That is as good as it could possibly be, best case but reality is it'll be slower for cost reasons.

I don't know why people disagree unless they are clueless about GPU hardware. Remember where you read this because you'll realise I am right about it, for sure.
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Computersaysno  +   798d ago
Its a simple matter of looking at the limits of current technology.

You can squeeze no more than about 1 gigaflop from a circa 50 watt graphics processor that is state of the art. Just like you cant travel across the galaxy in a few minutes in a human spaceship right now.

1 Gigaflop is 4 times Xenos in xbox 360. This is as humanly fast as AMD can make the graphics in this machine without some alien technology or a time machine to go into the future :)
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knowyourstuff  +   797d ago
lol if by leaps and bounds you mean barely scratching what Killzone 3 and Uncharted series can do, then ok sure, not that we've seen anything that has beaten those games in the graphics department as of yet, will probably be several years before the Wii U comes out with something that blows Uncharted and Killzone out of the water. Only High end PC's come out with stuff that's on par with slightly higher resolution textures and slightly better technical pieces here and there, you're not going to see anything from the Wii U in terms of graphics, they're going to seriously need to innovate and do something amazing, and learn why they were successful early on with the Wii if the Wii U isn't going to be a flop.
Hoje0308  +   798d ago
Hardly futuristic when it has half the ram of current mobile devices.
FarCryLover182  +   798d ago
Mobile devices have 2gb RAM?? I didn't know this one.
FinalomegaS  +   798d ago
@FarCryLover182

only cell that has 2Gigs that I know , the Samsung Galaxy S3 North American model with Dual Core. International is Quad core 1Gig Ram.
Hoje0308  +   798d ago
The Galaxy Note 2 also has two gigs of ram as does the quad-core Korean GS3. By the time the Wii U comes out, this should be the standard in the mobile world.
scissor_runner  +   798d ago
Yeah an arm CPU against a power7, really man? Put the cool aid down the next Xbox and apu playstation don't have a chance! This is why specs don't matter any more. No one understands them.
Tsar4ever  +   797d ago
I agree, 2GB would be pretty good for THIS GENERATION, which is the 7th Gen, but Wii U is spear-heading the next generation/8th Gen.

RAM is so CHEAP nowadays. Com'on nintendo, 2gb is the BEST you could offer your console? The bare minimum for next-gen should been at least 4GB, and even worst than that, it's divided between OS, and gaming graphics. This is as bad as the pathetic memory cap of the ps3's divided 256mb of ram. The X360 uses the much BETTER UNIFIED MEMORY ARCHETECTURE with an extra 10mb of EDRAM dedicated for anti-aliasing shaders.

The Wii U's graphics capabilities will be ALL USED UP by the end of the second quarter of it's lifespan. Everything else on the spec sheet seems OK, but that WEAK MEMORY CAP, just NUKED IT for me, REALLY DISSAPOINTING. Change it to 4GB nintendo, and maybe you'll be able to hang a little longer competing against the Orbis & Durango
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MASTER_RAIDEN  +   798d ago
LX-general-kaos, i logged in just to give you a disagree.

shut up.
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Muffins1223  +   798d ago
My gtx680 is around 4x the power of the weak thing....the wiiu i wouldn't even call it next gen
andibandit  +   798d ago
Looks like it will almost be as powerful as the PS3.
jeseth  +   798d ago
"leaps and bounds ahead of what is available"

LoL. Drinkin' the Kool Aid much? Honestly General, that was the most shameless Nintendo _____ stroking I've ever scene on N4G.

As for the Seamless Experience .... its so seamless you can go from playing Batman AC and Mass Effect 3 seamlessly from this gen to next (Or is Nintendo just 7 years late to the current gen?)! LoL!

I hope you get paid for your Nintendo propaganda!

On Topic : Interested in ZombieU, the trailer at E3 looked great.
Allsystemgamer  +   798d ago
I'm buying a u BUT those specs are disappointing to be honest. Not even CLOSE to futuristic.
Jamzluminati  +   798d ago
ROFLMFAO!!!

TGSI
ALLWRONG  +   798d ago
Nintendo

Starts the ball rollin
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WiiU beats current consoles. 2x more powerful. But when ps4 comes you know it's over.
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CalvinKlein   798d ago | Trolling | show
ziggurcat  +   798d ago
"Delivering futuristic high end specs that look to be leaps and bounds ahead of what is currently available on the home console market today"

you're delusional. those specs are barely better than what's on the market today. in fact, so far the other two systems are producing better graphics with at least half of the RAM that's available on the wii U.
Awesome_Gamer  +   798d ago
Not Buying....
Seems too weak, i'm sorry
Urbz7870  +   798d ago
Lol that's a lot of disagrees.
l3Display  +   798d ago
WOW,this is how you start off next gen.
HiddenMission  +   798d ago
@LX
with them chops of yours come work with me to promote my site because me like silver tongued devils lol
ATi_Elite  +   798d ago
@ LX-General-Kaos
"It seems that the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system will be properly kicking off the next generation of Elite gaming."

Blah ha ha hah ha hah ha

I have an Enthusiast Level PC!

Wiiu and Elite gaming OMG how funny!
Chris558  +   798d ago
Again this nintard
showtimefolks  +   798d ago
i am excited for wii-u but will wait maybe 6 months just to see what's happening. But one thing is for sure its not as next gen as nintendo fan-girls try to make it out to be(xbox360 and ps3 have fanboys Nintendo for kids and families so its fan-girls)

why so low hard drive space? can we upgrade it?

you know one thing now i can't wait for is next E3 or in sony's case maybe next GDC. Because ps4 and xbox720 will have much better specs and that's what has been really excited.

but i am super excited to play Nintendo exclusives in HD so don't have appreciate.

if wii-u is suppose to start next gen than be it let's not hate it for that. but IMO the price point is a bit higher and why didn't nintendo include the regular controller? that's another extra $50-60
Neo-Axl  +   798d ago
.. Are.. Are you a Nintendo Employee? or do you have a creepy obsession with Nintendo? o_O
Lord_Sloth  +   797d ago
I think you're a robot.

Yes, your posts definitely seem to be driven (drivel) by an AI.
Shok  +   798d ago
2 GB total, 1 for games 1 for OS.

If they're reserving 1 GIG for just the OS than it must be a multi-tasking beast.

Kinda disappointed that only 1 Gig is available for games, but with updates they can shave off the OS memory usage like Sony and Microsoft have done with their consoles, so more RAM should be available for games later on.

A GPGPU is very good news.

I also saw that there was a 32 GB model shown, good, cause 8 wasn't gonna cut it.
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jetlian  +   798d ago
lol dont spin it now playa its only 512 more than current gen ps3/360. ps4 and 720 will be atleast 4gb. MS and sony also have better OS than nintendo.

man this is wii all over again. guess they going 250-350 for us prices which is why japan has to get it first.

Edit: why the disagrees? hmmmm lol pcs even use 2gb minimum for most games

Not really the sliming is within the first few years if it was over the course of ps3 full life they would be able to add party chat. But they will slim it down.

Even if they cut it in half which isnt likely still its not much more than current gen and still will be half of 720/ps4.

All that nintendo will be near ps4/720 you been doing past few months now exposed
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AWBrawler  +   798d ago
reaching really reaching aren't you?

you talk as if u know Sony and MS specs
Shok  +   798d ago
Spin? The truth is the truth son lol. Facts are facts.

Sony shaved off the OS RAM usage in the PSP to open up more RAM for developers. Microsoft did the same with the 360. As time goes by the companies OPTIMIZE the OS so it leaves a smaller "footprint."

Also, this RAM is most likely GDDR5 RAM, and not DDR3 RAM like in the 360 or PS3, so it's using much more efficient RAM.

Research.
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FlairSomewhere  +   798d ago | Intelligent
you clearly don't understand how computers and consoles work differently when it comes to running games.

the wii has 2 gb of what i will wildly assume is crazy fast ram.
wild guess.
i know.

the 360/ps3 have 512 mb of memory.
TOTAL.
360 shared it between its cpu and gpu.
ps3 split it 50/50.
and pc's have more memory because windows is (generally) a memory hog.

so the wii now gets... 1 gb for gaming, strictly.
and 1 gb for the operating system, strictly.

Whereas the 360/ps3 had to have operating system and gaming shared amongst ~256 mb of ram on the cpu.

Yeah...that's why people disagree with you.
Dasteru  +   798d ago
@shok GDDR5 stands for graphics double data rate v5, it is proprietary GPU memory. it is not used in Ram. Current Ram is DDR3, even PC's don't currently use better. DDR4 exists but hasn't been brought to market yet.
jetlian  +   798d ago
to flairsomewhere http://www.psuni.com/ps3-os...

And thats 2010 ps3 was down to 50 mb for os and MS was at 32mb. So ps3 has 462 left for gaming and 360 has 490 including 10mb edram. Nowhere near 1GB like wiiu

Hell they arent even using 1/10 the total. wiiu is 50 percent total now sony was at 120 at the start. My point was to show its way to close to current gen, Its clearly more though.
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SegataShanshiro  +   798d ago
sony's OS sucks....it hasnt changed since that failed bastard of a child called PSX in 2003
neogeo  +   798d ago
No. PS3 and 360 have 512 ram SHARED on the whole system! Thats running the OS and gameing all shaing that little 512. With Wiiu you get a 100% whole 1gig for games and another 1 gig just for the OS. Big difference there,
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pecorre  +   798d ago
@everyone saying that PS3 and 360 ''only'' have 512mb of ram

Keep in mind that we're talking about 6 and 7 year old systems.

1Gb for gaming is not much today. The Wii U is simply not a future proof system. It is good today, but in 1-2 year it will already start to show it's age. When the PS4 and Next Xbox launch, the Wii U will be in the same position as the Wii was this gen.
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scissor_runner  +   798d ago
Nothing is future proof but the wiiu has what it needs to make great games for the next 3 years though. It is fixing a lot of problem with the current gen also.

What is important is it is a true hd console and it is affordable. Those two points are big. Future proof is pr hype and not possible on consoles since computer tech always advances. If you want that then get a pc.

The wiiu has one job and that is to play console hd games with new ideas along with tech we have mastered. It is not made to be a hype balloon that never reaches its potiential.
ChickeyCantor  +   798d ago
"ol dont spin it now playa its only 512 more than current gen ps3/360."

512 for games and os.

1 gig is fully available for games. There is a difference. Especially in RAM type.
FredEffinChopin  +   798d ago
@scissor_runner

"Nothing is future proof but the wiiu has what it needs to make great games for the next 3 years though. It is fixing a lot of problem with the current gen also."

Nothing is future proof, but the other consoles this gen were future resistant. Proof? The Wii died very young and quietly, and Nintendo were forced to be the first into the next console gen. Better hardware means the system can remain relevant for longer. Do you really not understand that? Also how does this do anything to fix their current-gen issues?

"What is important is it is a true hd console and it is affordable. Those two points are big. Future proof is pr hype and not possible on consoles since computer tech always advances. If you want that then get a pc."

That's not what's important. The fact that (no matter how much you like to pretend that underwhelming hardware doesn't matter on a console) it might be overshadowed by the competition in a year or two is pretty damned important also. And the fact that they're still trying to wow me with the same titles that they've been using for 30 years. And the fact that no matter what they say about catering to the hardcore, they still had to have their arms twisted before they acknowledged the necessity for a more traditional controller. They still don't seem to have their fingers on the pulse of the hardcore community. Luckily for them though, there are plenty of people willing to pay $300 just to play Zelda, who will be apologists and PR reps for Nintendo to the bitter end.

"The wiiu has one job and that is to play console hd games with new ideas along with tech we have mastered. It is not made to be a hype balloon that never reaches its potiential."

Yeah, that was the Wii's job.
mrbojingles  +   798d ago
Can't wait!
TotalSynthesisX  +   798d ago
25GB discs? Holy crap.

And when the hell are they going to announce the release date (if they haven't already)?
FlairSomewhere  +   798d ago
I've heard that said discs are CAPABLE of being triple-layer.

Granted most PS3 games don't fully utilize its (blu-ray's) potential, nor did Wii developers capitalize on dual layer pseudo-dvd discs.
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mi_titan27  +   798d ago
Release date will be announced 9/13/12 at a live NY press conference
akaakaaka  +   798d ago
sounds ok!? just what we kind of knew...

so 31,000y means the WIIU will cost $400 to $450? i am lost...

i may get it if the PS4 does not comes out next year... and devs. actually make superiors "multiplataform" and exclusive games on it.. since i can sale it back to my native country and not lose money once the next gen hits ;)

@LuridShadowX i belive they already say Dec. 8 in Jap.
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Dasteru  +   798d ago
30,000y = $386USD currently.

The premium model will most likely be $359. Electronics typically end up slightly cheaper in the US compared to what the direct conversion shows.
cee773  +   798d ago
that was before the yen obliterated the us dollar so we dont dont know how much usd it will be
Dasteru  +   798d ago
Nintendo has just confirmed, $299 for the basic model, $349 for the premium.

http://sync.sympatico.ca/ne...
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TotalSynthesisX  +   798d ago
Oh. Thanks. :P
DaThreats  +   798d ago
Games for this console that are multi-platform should be the definite version and be 1080p
No excuses BIOWARE
Qrphe  +   798d ago
That's not really fair to say specially when Rocksteady, Ubisoft nor Tecmo are probably not going to pull it off either.
SonyNGP  +   798d ago
Don't look at Bioware. They aren't handling the port.
grassyknoll  +   798d ago
Already confirmed for 720p!
joeorc  +   798d ago
@DaThreats
"Games for this console that are multi-platform should be the definite version and be 1080p
No excuses BIOWARE"

welcome to the world that is Microsoft and Sony when dealing with 3rd party. unless Nintendo pay's for it, the developer may not do it, not to say they would not, but i would not be shocked if they do not.

and with the spec's that the system has, it's more than capable of it. but what i think is only a slight problem, is the way Nintendo is pushing the WiiU as the main attraction is for the WiiU Game Pad. which the emphasis on that function over really Graphic's.

That may be a real problem for Nintendo to push for more dedicated HardCore games that Mainly end up on PC, and Systems from Sony and Microsoft. Though the good thing that Nintendo is releasing a very robust system this time with the WiiU. but i fear it may go to waste, unless A) nintendo pays for the extra development into their system from 3rd party publisher's. B) Nintendo does it them selves with their first party. Which i have no doubt that Nintendo will.

I have to hand it to Nintendo, they put out a very powerful inline system this time, but will the Nintendo base buy it, seeing it's more expensive than many times what Nintendo releases?

the 3DS for example is a great system, but the Hardware did not warrant the Price Nintendo is asking for it.

But with the WiiU they have a very good price for the Hardware that's in the machine, but I think many People that mainly buy Nintendo machines may wait on a price drop, which is sad because the hardware is really worth the cost Nintendo is asking for it.
r21  +   798d ago
Ah finally confirmed specs :D The wii U can finally and undeniably be called a next gen system that is more powerful then the current gen systems.
WiiUalpha  +   798d ago
Judging by the responses here it doesnt look that way. I've been looking for a site since Gamepro went under. Is there always hate for Nintendo on this site?
xflo360  +   798d ago
This site is a ps3 fanboy site disguised as a multiplatform site. Just take a look at any anti sony comment and see the disagrees pile up even if the comment is fair!
Im not anti sony infact far from it i own both a ps3 and vita but lets face facts this site is a sony fanboy site!
r21  +   798d ago
Yeah there is hate for Nintendo but theres also hate for Sony and MS. I usually ignore the hate comments and look to the positive ones. I do read the hate comments if theres a good point but if its blatant fanboy hate, not interested.
for we are many  +   798d ago
most people here "worship" PS3, it's really pathetic and totally obvious.
Jazz4108  +   798d ago
This site worships sony as a god and includes $ in ms. Enough said unless you want biased information with the front page usually covered daily in sony news. There is a very small community of ms fans still holding on but they are trounced on and reported on daily by sony fans who badmouth ms and nintendo and are bubbled up for it.
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AWBrawler  +   798d ago
so far so good

@phantom disagree
at least explain your reasoning
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NobodyImportant  +   798d ago
I didn't disagree with you, but I would've preferred more of that ram allocated to game assets as opposed to OS.
1Gb ram for games is only double the current gen machines.
I'm sure nintendo know what they are doing though and Zelda will look great when it ships.
We might get a decent looking Metroid too.
FlairSomewhere  +   798d ago
but current gen machines had to split said ram between cpu and gpu...
and didn't have anything dedicated to their operating system.
joeorc  +   798d ago
@NobodyImportant
"but I would've preferred more of that ram allocated to game assets as opposed to OS."

i can understand why you would say that, but im sure it would not really be an issue, in the games console space with the system's like the xbox360 and the PS3 were able to do already, imagine what Nintendo and some 3rd party developer's and publisher's can do with the WiiU.

I think fearing about the system not having enough ram is pretty much moot at this point, you could alway's need a lil bit more, but that is the trap, pretty much every time you add on something many times other problems arise, from the added enhancement. Not to say those problems are not able to be fixed, there is always something..lol at a certain point too much ram can have an adverse effect on the system performance.

1 GB for system and 1 GB for game system Asset's is quite a bit for embedded systems, I think many times is many people think Add more ram to the system is always the answer.When that's not always the case.

this is quite a bit of ram to be able to put to good use in making games for a embedded SOC entertainment system. I would not worry too much about it.
FinalomegaS  +   798d ago
@phantom disagree
at least explain your reasoning

New to this site or something? Naw dawg you should know that's how they roll on here lol
RmanX1000  +   798d ago
Seems good. Cant wait to try it once more than another 2D Mario game comes out. I mean yeah theres Pikmin 3 and Nintendo Land but that aint quite enough.
QuantumWake  +   798d ago
Wow. 1GB for the OS? That's a pretty big footprint. Nintendo must really be pushing for heavy multi-tasking. I'm going to assume maybe a fast & good web browser, HD Youtube videos, etc..
NobodyImportant  +   798d ago
I imagine it has something to do with the second screen too. Handling inventory etc then swapping assets on the main screen across to the controller.
Then it can also browse the internet while in game. Then there's the twitter feed like connectivity to your friends.
It all sounds really good.
Although part of me wishes that 1.5G was for game assets and they were only using 500Mg for the OS.

The Wii U appears to be around twice as powerful as a current gen machine, much as the Wii was around twice as powerful as a last gen machine.
I preferred back in the good old days when Nintendos were beasts like the SNES and N64...
...but then I don't run a video game hardware business so what do I know.
torchic  +   798d ago
good post
WiiUalpha  +   798d ago
You will be able to video chat without leaving your game. Seems Wii U will be able to multi task in ways current gen consoles cant
xflo360  +   798d ago
Some of that 1gig is prob for the new mii plaza.
DiRtY  +   798d ago
At first I thought "meh specs" but then I realised how great Halo 4, Gears of War 3, Uncharted or Crysis 2 look and the Wii U has even more power than the consoles that run these games.

I still think the Wii U will be the weakest console next gen, but still powerfull enough to give gamers great looking and deep experiences.

LOL AT subscription based model. Pchter was right !
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ozstar  +   798d ago
There is no subscription model.

That was about buying the 32Gb bundle, and how as a bonus you will get 10% of all online purchases for 2 years. It was nothing to do with online subscription costs.
DiRtY  +   798d ago
*edit*

To quote the article:

"The Black 32GB Premium Set will come with a two year subscription to Nintendo Network Premium, which gives you 10% back when you purchase content digitally, and controller stands."

Well sounds like a subscription to me.
ozstar  +   798d ago
^ But not the type of subscription model that MS has been using for the 360.

Nintendo isn't charging monthly bills, or online gaming subscription fees.
DarthJay  +   798d ago
What else would a "two year subscription to Nintendo Network Premium" be? What happens after the two years. You obviously renew, either monthly or yearly. That is EXACTLY what a subscription based model is.
Gemmol  +   798d ago
what is a GPGPU
Pandamobile  +   798d ago
General purpose graphics processing unit.
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Gemmol  +   798d ago
does that make it better or worse?
Kennytaur  +   798d ago
Better, it means the GPU can do CPU stuff.
joeorc  +   798d ago
@Gemmol
"does that make it better or worse?"

It is better, in general usage terms this GPU will be able to offset CPU tasks that can tax the CPU or IE: central processing unit in it's tasks, so as to let the CPU do what it does best. there is a change in Chip designs that are really starting to show the increase in flexibility of using such designs, one of the added Benefits is the CPU's can offload some GPU tasks and while it does that the GPU can offload some of CPU extensive tasks. Its a Win win in gaming terms a more performance gain for gaming asset's running on the system.

Good thing's ahead. with the start of the WiiU
Gemmol  +   798d ago
My favorite spec annouce is the how much the Wii U Cd can read which is 20 something MB a second compare to ps3 and xbox 360 low rate
scissor_runner  +   798d ago
Which means no installs needed. Pretty cool huh? You could stream a movie off this disk and play a game at the same time. The 8gig limits patches so devs better get it right on the first try. So yeah Skyrim better learn how to release unbuggy games. It supports USB external drives so you can get a terabyte drive for cheap.
SegataShanshiro  +   798d ago
YOU'RE AN IDIOT
Yeah SKYRIM has to release unbuggy games... We are tired of SKYRIM being a crappy developer that always gets 10 in its game depite being buggy and coming up with the GOTY edition for half the price...gotta love SKYRIM for being a crap developer.
Here is a list of games that Skyrim has released in 2011: Skyrim.
See my point MORON? Did you mean B.E.T.H.E.S.D.A.?????????????? ?? idiot?????
Getowned  +   798d ago
XD! @ Andree1991

that was hilarious!! lol

Yeah, scissor Skyrim didn't make its self, Bethesda made it, but I agree with you they really need to work on not releasing games with so many bugs I mean EVERY single damn game!!, when they stop pulling dick moves and actually try to fix bugs, even if they delay the game to fix bugs. I would be happy with them, if there next game is a buggy mess than I'll pass.
scissor_runner  +   798d ago
Sky realm or skyrim to the country folks, Wow Skyrim is touchy buisness. LoL I know who made Skyrim and I know who published them. They are called the skyrim now lol. The Skyrim guys, need to get their act together no one wants patch fests. You need to get off your high horse before you fall on a ps move after being an a hole. I thought Bethe da best we could be, made that game well actually their development team did. Be the da best only publishes crap now. Didn't they publish rage too? I've never liked their games plus how could Skyrim be made by folks who get 10s for their games? Skyrim did it man! You are an idiot for even coming at me like that. Are you a Skyrim fanguy? I didn't know Skyrim had fanboys? Why are you so angry lol? Are you done talking about Skyrim now? Oh yeah the wiiu is looking good so why are you mad again?
YoungKingDoran  +   797d ago
Chill out Andree, he said Skyrim by accident instead of Bethesda. So what?
Go fuck yourself.
Now someone can tell me to chill out.
DivineAssault  +   798d ago
Thats great.. What games use even close to that power again? The system being this expensive isnt very good.. who the hell wants 8 or 32 GB? are u kidding me? i have over 100GB on my 360 taken up & dont even use it much.. Wii ware, Virtual console, possibly game installs will eat that up the 1st day.. Not bundling in nintendo land wasnt very smart..
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AWBrawler  +   798d ago
buy a terabyte
AO1JMM  +   798d ago
How much is an external hard drive these days? You should probably stop crying before you drown in your tears.
DivineAssault  +   798d ago
not drowning pal.. far from it.. i was read that article in class on my phone & didnt get it all.. I think its a decent offering.. Not sold but if things continue the way they are (software) ill buy one.. Sell my 360 to help pay for it too
TemplarDante  +   798d ago
1GB ram for "next gen" games? Nintendo, are you mad?
Their trying to limit the next gen ideology of Sony and Msft... This I hope wont be the lowest common denominator for next gen multi platform games like Fifa etc.
1GB of ram.... yeah, they must be smoking some crazy at Nintendo if they think that will be enough for the next 7-10 years.
Battlefield 4 on Wii U will be a port of the 360/PS3, while the PC, PS4 and Xbox 8 version will be real next gen.
Battlefield shuts fanboys up. Reveals the facts on capabilities.
dennett316  +   798d ago
There's more to gaming than graphics or Battlefield. Minecraft has sold millions despite looking like crap...graphics aren't everything. I'd rather play Pac-man than some crappy movie tie-in like Thor or Battleship for example.
ALLWRONG  +   798d ago
Do you like Battlefield?
richierich  +   798d ago
So in terms of performance what would the GPGPU graphics card compared to? How much powerful is it than PS3 and 360 gpus?
TemplarDante  +   798d ago
Im sure the GPU is lightyears ahead of 7 year old hardware gpus in the PS360. But, why compare it to current gen tech? I doubt its as great as a HD6670 GPU.... ,so, in other words, Nintendo says this is next gen?
Go to Youtube. Type in "Battlefield 3 Caspian Border trailer"
What you see upon your pc monitor, friend, you will NEVER see on this machine.
nepdyse  +   798d ago
You think the 6670 is great lol.
zebramocha  +   798d ago
A gpgpu doesn't determine powerful all it means is the wiiu gpu can do CPU type work,which allows to run better and at higher quality in comparison to a CPU.
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Moncole  +   798d ago
1gb for games is pretty good, consoles dont need a lot of ram because they dont use as much stuff as a PC. A console doesnt need 8gb of ram.
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Getowned  +   798d ago
wouldn't hurt :P, Idk 2GB of ram just seems weak.

I really want to see some PS4 and the new Xbox specs now.
Nutsack  +   798d ago
So only 1GB available for a game in its RAM.

So much for 'next gen'.

At the end of 2005, memory was expensive, so 512MB was about what they could do and keep the consoles price not going really sky high.

And anyone saying 'it got 2GB', well that 1GB reserved for the OS is nice and all, but this 1GB for the game won't hold up against the 360 and PS3 that'll get at least 2GB and maybe even 4GB for the gamepart next gen. Those saying '1GB is enough for consoles', thats nonsense. Its enough for this gen. Its not enough for next gen. Once they said 64MB was enough for consoles too (not that long ago, XBOX 1 and PS2) but then it was multiplied by 8 with the gen after. And thats how every gen pretty much goes. Count back from PS1 too. The memory gets multiplied by a factor 8 over 5 to 6 years. This time it might not be a factor 8, maybe a factor 4. Still means next gen gets 4GB's of RAM.

Furthermore, its funny how Nintendo gives these details but won't talk about the CPU and GPU. It must be weaker than everybody is expecting them so they're holding back.

Last but not least, an extra gamepad controller, converted from Yen into Euro, 135 Euro, really? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOO

Can buy a Wii now for those monies! HAHAHAHAHA
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akaakaaka  +   798d ago
so why will next PS4 will only be 4x more ? by the logic that even you said it should be 8gb ram and i will not surprise if they go to 12gb rams since they have delay the next gen to make a bigger impact and rams has gone cheap this days.

I just hope the ps4 has min 8gb ram but 12gb ram will be ideal or even 32gb ram but 32gb may be ilogical if we go for what they have done in the past.

Multitasking like the wiiu should not be a problem for the next gen.

Over 100gb format blu-ray.

1tb basic console memory (is what they the creator of the ps3 60gb where working on)

And a new exclusive video card that is like or better then any top of the line video card that will be sold that same year.

I am just been logical and going by what the past have prove...

I know and it's very clear that next gen engines will be shear by publishers like BF4 and Crysys 3/4 engine will be used by many others EA games. Fox engine will be used by most if not all Konami games (PES14 and i hope next gen SH and Castlevania)

We know Sony devs shear their teach and this next gen Sony devs will shear their teach more then ever and maybe even to 3rd party devs just like they did with some other devs this gen.

so the ones that will make a true difference are those dev who actually have talent and a great art style.

Sadly a lot of other devs may and will use the next gen of Unreal Engine more then ever and be limited by it, since it will be cheap and easy to use just like this gen but most of this devs do not have great talent anyways...
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Nutsack  +   798d ago
Well, I said, maybe this time it'll be 4 x the RAM of last gen, because last gen both MS and Sony sold their consoles at launch and for a long time at a loss.

Next gen might be different, as Sony is still making loss on their games section since the PS3 launched in 2006 for billions and billions. MS turned profit, but mainly because of the Xbox Live subscriptions.

They've watched Nintendo pull a Wii and earning on each unit sold even at launch already. Both Sony and Nintendo might hold in a bit on the hardware, to sell at least break even or even with a profit on each unit sold.

That might mean that the traditional jump of 8 x the last gens memory would be broken this time.

Besides that, I really think that 4GB can be about enough to run great games for a good amount of time. Like most PC's aren't above 8GB's these days and they need to reserve a lot of memory overhead for the OS and other stuff.

A console could do with 4GB RAM next gen, then again, I'd prefer 8GB. For sure they won't climb above that. Even though memory got a lot cheaper, that would be overkill and would drive up costs too much even though its cheap.

Oh and PS3 could do 100GB BluRay discs with a firmware update. Then again, 95% of all PS3's games are hardly above 10 to 20GB. And those using 40GB's are often PS3 exclusive games that copied the same data about 3 times on the BR disc to do some faster loading trick while playing because the PS3's BR drive isn't as fast as a DVD drive.

Probably 50GB can hold up for some time, but its good to know the PS3 already could make the jump to 100GB if needed.

But point at this article is that 1GB of RAM is not enough to really make a jump to next gen. Its just doing stuff a bit smoother/with less programming problems for this gen.

I bet more laughs will rise when the details on the CPU and GPU of the WiiUpgrade become clear! When real next gen releases in 2013 with PSOrbis and Xbox 8 the WiiUpgrade will be the Wii story all over again. Getting downgraded sad ports or won't even get them ports at all. And for now, it gets old ports too at a premium price. Like Mass Effect 3 or Batman, 60 bucks for WiiUpgrade sold as 'new', while at the time that will release the 360 and PS3 versions will be sold for 15 to 20 bucks in the bargain bins! lol!
sourav93  +   798d ago
People who are complaining for the mere 1GB dedicated RAM for gaming and the GPGPU should look at it from another perspective. I will use the PS3 to represent current generation of consoles in this comment due to the fact that many people claim it to be the most powerful console this generation.

The PS3 has 256MB dedicated RAM for games and 256MB for the OS. This means that the WiiU console will have 4x the RAM for gaming AND for the OS.

The PS3 sports a Nvidia RSX GPU, which is basically a derivation of the Nvidia 7800 GT. The WiiU, which sports a GPGPU, which will likely be a E6760, is should have similar capabilities as a Radeon HD 4800, which is a more powerful GPU than the RSX.
Albeit, the PS3 seems to have a more powerful CPU i.e. the CellBE, its other components seem to be outmatched by the WiiU.

So, to conclude, although there is a high chance that the Wii U may not be as powerful as the upcoming next generation consoles from Sony and MS, it seems to be more powerful that the consoles from this current generation. This basically means that first party devs, who will push the hardware to its limits, will be creating some visually stunning games, making it a win for all gamers.
shadow2797  +   798d ago
"The PS3 has 256MB dedicated RAM for games and 256MB for the OS."

Where in the world did you pull that from?

The PS3 has 512MB total across the system. 256MB for the CPU and 256MB for the GPU. The OS, which can pull from both, uses around 50MB last I heard. That's ~460MB for games.

Just wanted to clear that up. Personally, I don't think the WiiU needs more RAM than 1GB. If anything is going to bottleneck, it'll be the CPU (or GPU if it's doing a lot of CPU tasks). I don't see memory being an issue (devs have said the same), but if it's needed, I'm sure some of that OS memory can be borrowed to run a game in the future.
TemplarDante  +   798d ago
1GB of ram for consoles are great? ... in 2012. This is suppose to last years. My cellphone has 1GB of ram, I bet when I upgrade it next year, my new phone would probably have double the ram and an extra cpu core to boot.
Shok  +   798d ago
Your cellphone =/= console or PC RAM lol.
FarCryLover182  +   798d ago
My PC has 8GB of ram and it runs like crap.
sourav93  +   798d ago
Does your phone have 1GB dedicated RAM just for gaming? No? That's what I thought. No offence, but if you do not fully understand technology, please don't make ridiculous claims about it.
jay2  +   798d ago
looooooooool not good at all :@
chukamachine  +   798d ago
1gb is not enough, yes they can lower the footprint.

AA will be free though with the edram. No tiling needed.

It sounds like a decent system, but not seen anything launch wise that looks better then PS3/360.

Zombie u, looks poor tbh.
Kennytaur  +   798d ago
But if the memory is split, then I don't think Nintendo is going to bother.
Agent_hitman  +   798d ago
Fanboys of the other consoles....... Are here commenting, bashing!
frankiebeans  +   798d ago
RIP Wii U and its 1gb of ram for games for the next gen SMH.
optimus  +   798d ago
What i find funny is that when microsoft mentioned they would add a browser to the ( i can't say the name since i'm a beta tester, but it rhymes with) rexbox. I posted in their forums that i would like for it to integrate while in a game and the posters there said it was a dumb idea and now we have nintendo doing just that. :p...

Well these specs and features have certainly made me lean towards the wiiU a lot more since i was on the fence about it... All i need now is the announcement of some stellar games. I.e. Metroid, zelda at launch and i'll be sold for sure.
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MrBeatdown  +   798d ago
An in-game browser is a seriously awesome feature. Having a walkthrough or a Youtube video available at the touch of a button when achievement or trophy hunting would make things like finding collectibles so much easier.

Hopefully Sony and Microsoft are taking notes. I'd love to see this feature in all consoles.
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oNIXo  +   798d ago
hahaha, beta testing, that's funny.
yewles1  +   798d ago
DAMN!!! Almost had it down. I was off on the OS RAM by half!

http://n4g.com/news/1029365...
joeorc  +   798d ago
@yewles1
"DAMN!!! Almost had it down. I was off on the OS RAM by half! "

lol, I think everyone was, the rumor for month's was 512 MB for the OS, 1GB is pretty d@mn powerful , and it is indeed for Multi-tasking. I am very glad Nintendo is offering such a good , hardware inline system this time, so many Hard core 3rd party games that many Nintendo fans have been asking for, can also be on the Nintendo system this time, well atleast a very good chance. But what many may not like is that once Nintendo did this, they are going to be in the same boat as Microsoft and Sony. Many 3rd party publisher's will only give your system increased development asset's if you compensate them someway.

Its just the way of the industry, Nintendo's 1st party though i think will really shine in the graphic's department. If Nintendo invest's into development time toward the WiiU's system, but increased Art and Enhanced physic's are time consuming so it will slow releases, down which is standard anyway.

good times ahead in my opinion for this Nintendo Machine and I think this benefits the gamer quite well, Nintendo is offering a very powerful robust system out the gate.

@cedaridge

"I'm looking forward to next gen consoles like everyone here. But think of it this way! what happen when xb360 jumped out the gate before the ps3? xbox 360 is LABEL Today as the "Developement Friendly Console of Preference" among multiplat games. All Nintendo have to do is gain that 1 year head start over xb720 and ps4 and if the Wii U is "DF"? then both xb720 and ps4 will be playing catch up to Nintendo. just my 2 cents!!!"

that happens with everything, it does not matter really when you release pretty much anymore because it's not the release from the start that defines your product, it's the support that you can service for the entire length of time the system is on the market.

example the iPhone5 is one of the most talked about system releases in the mobile space, that does not take away from the fact other systems in the mobile space will also be releasing, just because one product has the main Buzz, off the bat does not mean the other systems are not just as viable and can carve out their own market share.

Even if the market share is only 1 or 2 % of the market it's still Million's! and Million's of consumer's that will be buying your product. you publish a work's such as a book , and it sell's a million copy's, that is good sales. anytime you have over a million people that use a single product on a day to day basis is not something to frown at.

Im sure selling over a million systems is not something any company would be unhappy with esp. when these systems run upwards past $300.00+ or higher. even selling a single 1 million systems a year is pretty d@mn good. that's a freaking 1 million people!

that are playing games, at anyone time during the day!
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cedaridge  +   798d ago
I'm looking forward to next gen consoles like everyone here. But think of it this way! what happen when xb360 jumped out the gate before the ps3? xbox 360 is LABEL Today as the "Developement Friendly Console of Preference" among multiplat games. All Nintendo have to do is gain that 1 year head start over xb720 and ps4 and if the Wii U is "DF"? then both xb720 and ps4 will be playing catch up to Nintendo. just my 2 cents!!!
DarkZane  +   798d ago
A little too late. The PS4 and new xbox will be out before the devs can learn how to properly use the hardware to make games looks as good as the games looks currently on ps3 and 360. Not only that, but the launch games on PS4 and that new xbox will probably look better than any good looking games the WiiU will be getting at the end of his lifespan.

Sorry, but I will be waiting for the real next-gen here, not getting fooled by this again. PS4 is the way to go for me.
cedaridge  +   798d ago
So when did YOU say the ps4/xb720 is coming again? Take next gen out the picture a minute. I am talking about Friendly Developement, if Nintendo is allowed to have that head start and the system is not a head scratcher? why can't they do the same as Microsoft/xbox 360 THIS GEN? Nintendo is coming this Holiday Season! No word on xb720 or ps4. Instead ALL WE KNOW is xb720 and ps4 is COMING but when? And all we know is xb360 and ps3 still have games coming to there RESPECTED system! I will not debate which system will be TRUE NEXT GEN but what system will Developers think is Friendly to them. And Wii U will be the 1st out the gate BUT will it be to HARD to develop by the time xb720 and ps4 launch? my 2 cents!!!
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neogeo  +   798d ago
The old Wii has 86 megs of shared ram with a truly ancient GPU that your grampappy would lol at. Yet they still made Mario galaxy look beautiful. So I'm excited for the upgrade!
jacksheen0000  +   798d ago
Guys,
the 360 are equipped with a 12x DVD drive, capable of a maximum read rate of 15.85 MB/s. The Wii U are equipped with a drive, capable of a maximum speed of 22.5 MB/s, that's fast.

So I can see why Nintendo went with 1gigs for Main memory.
neogeo  +   798d ago
You forgot that dual layer DVDs only read at 9.2 MBs and almost all 360 games are on a dual layer. So the WiiU will seem much faster.
WiiUalpha  +   798d ago
Now I am very interested in the Wii U.

It has way more RAM than PS3 did.I am curious though if the CPu/GPu will share that like PS3 did with its 512. 1 gig is more than the 256mb it had for the CPU. If they can do TLOU on 256MBCPU/ 256MB GPU imagine what they can do with 1 gig..

With 1 gig for OS it should offer a seemelss transition and should allow games to load much faster than they do now with the drive speed and dedicated memory.
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