Gaming Blend "The new benchmark in visual fidelity is no longer Crysis. No, instead, across all forms of digital and cinematic media the benchmark is now James Cameron's Avatar. With that said, AMD has already mentioned that the next gen Xbox could produce Avatar-like graphics and the co-founder of Geomerics has followed in AMD's footsteps claiming that lighting capabilities could hit that benchmark as well."
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With Kinect 2.0 and what Microsoft has been doing this gen with Kinect they won't have the amount of exclusive games or software Sony will have. Plus I know that they'll implement the fee for xbl again so I'm looking forward to ps4 way more. I'll get an xbox 720 but I don't expect much.
To some some Microsoft and Sony are equal with what they offer in ps3 and xbox 360 but to logical gamers who likes quality games and new IPs, Sony PlayStation 3 is the best console available. In reality I can logically deduce that because of this gen and previous ones that Sony will be way better with the ps4 than Microsoft offering the next xbox
Not only PS4.
If you want a console without any of these other input devices PS4 is the way to go. If Wii U is a casual system then what is 720? How is 720 any different when that uses Kinect? What makes that "hardcore" and Wii U not? Sorry but if your blasting Wii U you need to get the facts in front of you first. Microsoft is taking the exact same route. If Wii U is a casual console then so is the next Xbox. If the next Xbox is a "hardcore" system then so is the Wii U.
My definition of the terms is
casual = mini game or quick play games which get boring after 5 minutes
hardcore = games with depth that you can enjoy a time and time again.
but Avatar has too many info running to be done on real time yet
Only when it's playing the Avatar blu ray.....
I can't wait for the PS4 because it'll be betterer *skquernz* I can't wait for the PS4 because it'll be betterer *skquernz* I can't wait for the PS4 because it'll be betterer *skquernz*
We get it. Now go back to waiting for that Sony PR cheque to clear ...
It takes minutes to just render one frame. To say that next gen consoles will even come close to Avatar visuals is hilarious. Not even the PC could render Avatar in real time. It's not realistic.
casual = past time / no dedication
Hardcore = dedication / put a lot of effort into improving your game
Practically any game can be hardcore/casual, it is just how you go about it. Example, dance dance revolution. Would you think it is hardcore if people actually have competition? Would you think Tetris is hardcore because that gamegod from Japan sure spend his lifetime playing it to perfection.
it is all about dedication.
All the promises of last gen are probably going to start taking shape for Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft will add keyboard/mouse support, Windows 8, and Cross platform gaming as an excuse to put XBL fee out there for people to pay. While Sony will add cross game chat, build a better browser, and a few other things.
Sony will likely do what they always do. Invite all to develop for their platform. Make some quality exclusive sequels. Maybe say something about those elusive PS3 titles that were supposed to exist like Eight Days/Getaway titles on PS4 maybe? That and well Agent details? Just maybe. :)
As far as graphics go. PC will always be king. In 2013/2014 it will be kinda close for consoles vs. PC graphics, but somewhere along 2014/2015 line something will trump them.
Nothing really has produced graphics like Avatar on todays tech. Not unless they are putting something like OpenRL into the platforms. Allowing for Raytracing without a hiccup or that is the supposed aim of it. :)
The standard max level graphics tech that is present can give us quality PS4/XB3 titles like Metro Last Light at maxed out PC quality graphics on a console. That is impressive, but not Avatar like graphics.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, new hardware doesn't instantly equal better games. The bottleneck is the developer and the resources available to them. Otherwise, every game would be an Uncharted or a Gears of War, or every PC game would look like Battlefield 3 maxed out. It's not just hardware that holds devs back.
Perhaps you're thinking of this...
"'One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist,' Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers 'are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.''"
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1...
Or maybe this...
"Gates said the 3-D chips in the Xbox would be three times faster than anything on the market and offer nearly unlimited graphical visuals. 'We're approaching the level of detail seen in Toy Story 2,' he said, referring to the computer-generated kids film from Disney/Pixar."
http://www.wired.com/scienc...
love how you always have an Xbox quote article ready to go any time anyone mentions something about Sony. Always gotta be ready for damage control, right?
http://n4g.com/news/1073858...
Swing and a miss.
I was disproving something, and helping our poor misguided friend Jazz determine the REAL origin of the Toy Story reference.
I see you have a problem with factual, on topic information being presented, and it being presented in response to a person who is known to troll in the name of everything Xbox, even going so far in this case as to make false claims. Accuracy is a problem for you?
I find it interesting that you can't separate that from me calling out nukeitall for bringing up the PS2 disc read error and lawsuit time and time again (in fact, he did it two separate times in that same article), and in the comment you linked to, doing so purely because someone dared mention RROD in an article discussing Microsoft's hardware issues.
I was correcting something here. nukeitall was not correcting anyone in that article. Nor was what he said even relevant. I know you want to imply some hypocrisy because what I say bothers you, but what I brought up about Xbox was relevant to Jazz's comment, unlike nukeitall's.
What I find really interesting is that you tried to go after me in that article to, but failed to follow up when I replied. You've done that a couple times now when replying to me. Funny you still take issue with what I said there, and it made such an impression on you that you remember it from a week ago, but yet you couldn't be bothered to actually back up what you said when I replied, despite having free bubbles. And yet, here you are, bring it up again, as if my comment here or there was unjustified, and using a paraphrased quote from me addressing a comment that was out of place, even though my comment here isn't. Talk about grasping at straws.
With the exception of Geometry (OpenGL 3.2) and Tessellation (OpenGL 4.0) shaders, and the deprecation of the old API (OpenGL 3.0), OpenGL has been pretty much stagnant in it's capabilities since OpenGL 2.0, which made it's debut in late 2004.
Avatar, like any movie, was pre-rendered and took minutes to hours to render a single frame with multiple computers. Why you seem to think it was rendered in real time is beyond me.
Also, unless there's some incredible leap in technology sometime soon, we're not going to be seeing anything remotely close to Avatar running in real time for decades. And whenever we do get to that level of technology, it's not going to be much more expensive than current PCs.
"it could"
unfortunately we all know nextgen never does or will.
blah to these comments and articles
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
to this on a gtx 460(released july 2010) card
http://www.youtube.com/watc... hd remake!
then I wonder what pc mods will looks like next gen?
on top off that gta 4 is a bad pc port.
Pc is already read for cg no doubt.
They just have to wait for something.
But more important than graphics I want user created content to continue be the way of the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I'm sure we'll get some really photo realistic game though.
Get ready for $100 games - jk!
It's already a known fact that cream of the crop pc specs to date are better than next gen hardware specs. Yes they will be able to push the hardware to the bounds since it will be universal. Still even games like witcher 2 and battlefield 3 maxed out look fantastic, they are no where near avatar level. We are still years away from that level.
Even so, no way they will sell a piece of hardware at console prices that would do the same as the hundreds of thousands it cost to render what was in that movie. Also you would need it all in a real time virtual environment so it would actually have to render faster, much faster.
So yea, LOL.... Somebody likes trolling the net.
Can you send me the hardware specs you have for nextgen consoles?
If these consoles are to launch by the end of 2013 they have had to already make their hardware selection or narrowed it down to only a few choices. They would have had to do this from possibilities from CURRENT technologies, therefore making it comparable to pc's today. We have seen proof out on the interwebs already...
http://www.digitalspy.com/g...
While there is no way to confirm 100%, I think all the parts easily add up, and the fact that it was bought for $20k is easily the icing on the cake.
4gb of ram or less (dev kit has at least twice as much)
a 8 core cpu (compared to 12 virtual core cpus out, and even 24 virtual cpus possible with dual cpu motherboards)
AMD 6000 series gpu? A single gtx 680 performs almost twice as much.
I'm sorry, but it simply comes down to this. You get what you paid for. Technology moves fast but not that fast, especially if the new consoles are on the horizon.
http://www.picvalley.net/u/...
If true then PS4 would be better.
Who knows what we'll get though, nothing is fact.
That would be awesome if they could pull that off, but I would be extremely surprised if they could do it even with their price point fo $600 at last launch.
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Clearly you didn't get my point. The next generation of consoles from either manufacturer will not be capable of, or close to the quality of visuals from Avatar.
That doesn't need a crystal ball or a 'Who knows?' attitude. You just use your common sense and your grasp of reality.
Probably not. But as long as we haven't seen a single game in action on the 720 and PS4 anything is possible. Who knows? Maybe they will pull it off. Let's wait and see. I personally highly doubt it.
But clearly, you didn't get my point.
But we're not going to see the level of Avatar yet. Just look at FF Spirits Within and see how long it took for a retail PC rig to run that type of graphics.
In which case we really aren't that far off from it now. Even Heavenly Sword would be pretty close.
http://images.psxextreme.co...
Just adding Higher quality textures will do wonders for the next gen consoles because all it really costs is more Ram and Bandwidth which should hopefully be cheap enough now that they will include a decent amount. Then you can add all this new processing power to push more objects in game and realistic physics and a multitude of other things.
Console gamers have a lot to look forward to, it just might take awhile for the AAA game makers to finish a game that will blow your socks off.
And yeah, a lot of games would look significantly better without blasting budgets just by allowing for higher resolution textures, models that aren't downscaled for LOD purposes and unrestricted physics.
In some ways I can't wait, but then I keep thinking about today's gaming climate and how people like Activision and EA just kind of complain about budgets but milk the same ideas, over and over again while losing money.
MGS5
Demon's Souls 2
Uncharted 4
God of War 4
GT6
Killzone 4 (or new ip)
InFamous 3 (or new ip)
The Last of Us 2
"unannounced quantic dream title"
"unannounced media molecule title"
team ico's next game (or the last guardian)
Agent (whats with this game?)
FF vs 13 (???)
newer revamped interface
dualshock 3 overhaul (attract the fps crowd, imo ds3 is perfect)
Keep basic online free, but keep ps plus and make it even more attractive
make ps4 much easier to develop for (no brainer)
if sony does this next gen they will bury the competition
Zelda
3D Mario
Metroid Prime 4
Xenoblade 2
3D Pokemon RPG
Donkey Kong Country Returns 2
PIkmin 3
Star Fox
Mother 4
2D Mario
and Eternal Darkness 2
not happening. if any company could miraculously have all their big IPs ready for launch they would wipe the competition.
At best these consoles will mimic the style of Avatar's visuals.....but if you're expecting 100 million dollar plus visuals in your games next gen....you're delusional
* Get a grip dreamers ...and wait at least 20 years or 2 more cycles of hardware beyond next gen for Avatar visuals....remember N64 claims of Jurassic Park (1990's)visual technology based hardware...what did it equate to....? nada, 22 years later and even top range PC's can't replicate Jurassic Park visuals!!!
Don't be fooled, next gen will look impressive....just remember the PR machine spins ;/
Just sayin'.