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A conversation with the first PlayStation Vita hacker.

Cnet: In an exclusive talk with Crave, a person associated with the first group to hack the Sony PlayStation Vita tells us how and why it happened, and what to expect as they develop the exploit.

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tachy0n1550d ago

"Before you get all excited about the idea of illegally downloading full PS Vita games, you should know that this purported hack can't grant such abilities."

^ thats for all the sheeps that say this will lead to piracy.

homebrew does not mean piracy.

NYC_Gamer1550d ago

Homebrew should be allowed on all platforms

blitz06231550d ago

"you should know that this purported hack can't grant such abilities."

You clearly know nothing about the piracy of video games. Do you think the PSP was hacked to immediately play pirated games? It started with a hack like this. Once you break something, then spread it in cyberspace, it opens the door to other hackers out there.

Autodidactdystopia1550d ago

whats with all the babies on these forums,

is like you're chomping at the bit to suck the dEEK of anyone not against vita progress.

If you think that this whole exploit hacking thing isnt going to lead to whole games eventually pirateable and playable, then you are in denial and are likely a sony fanboy whom are completely incapable of having any form of conversation where they dont put someone else down.

Another thing is that you all seem to want to limit the system. You are free to do as you wish with anything you buy. that includes run games not allowed or directly sponsored for the machine.

that is the whole issue with you piracy hounds spouting archaic psudo truisms about how you think it affects the gaming industry.

Piracy is inevitable, and is a direct result of monopolistic practices by all involved parties.

There is not gonna be a change at the counter when you go buy your "legal" copy of MGSKZ3UC5 vita edition. they are still gonna charge you up the ass and your still gonna pay and get your game.

Piracy is an option not a disease it drives hardware sales for the poor and stimulates micro economies that would otherwise not have been able to legally purchase any particular arrangement of 1's and 0's.

you may not agree with it but your idolistic treatment of the grain and all things that go with it is sickening.

you want to live inside the box, go ahead but just dont think it makes you smarter... or even a better person.

were all alike and you just spent 250 bucks on a vita and you have to spend 60 more to get a game to play on it. The hacker just spent 250 bucks on a vita and now he can make his investment go farther for free using only his intelligence.

something most of you lack given that you take it up the ass constantly from anyone willing to sell you an "experience" you cant conjure up yourselves.

who's the smart one? the guy who occasionally gets more for his money or the guy who feels good about himself because he gave away more of his when there is a perfectly viable alternative which contrary to popular belief will not affect the market either way; as individuals who buy are indifferent to those who dont. immiscible markets for immiscible mindsets. Not likely to forage into one-anothers territory to begin with.

Autodidactdystopia1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

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Menchi1550d ago

@Auto

Some of us don't like being thieves and stealing what should rightfully be paid for. I love how you choose to justify it by saying it is an act of intelligence though.

Theft plain and simple, and by most moral compasses that is wrong. Of course, if you have no reason to care that you're a theif that by all means carry on...

Autodidactdystopia1550d ago

walls o text aside I am not a theif.

I play devils advocate alot, and love people's sense of security they derive from going with the grain.

so long as people are comfortable with doing what they're meant to do then carry on. unfortunately for everyone I did bring up some valid points.

If you can explain to me what people are stealing when they copy arbitrary 1s and 0s

and no i do not mean philosophically or metaphorically.

what material are they stealing.

the creator of the content still has acess to his or her creation and or the right to sell it.

nothing has been stolen. only something gained.

Strakken1550d ago

@Menchi
Then just don't pirate and leave everyone else alone

ConstipatedGorilla1550d ago

@Autodidactdystopia

You've done a good job justifying piracy to yourself. It's stealing, it negatively affects the production of future projects, and you know it or you wouldn't have had to produce a thesis on why it's okay for you to pirate.

Get a job, buy your games, dry your tears. Money makes the world go round, baby boy.

Nimblest-Assassin1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

@auto

So your telling me that I see a tv in a display in an electronics shop that costs $1500, and I don't have the money... if I throw a brick against the glass... IM A F**KING GENIUS! I dont have to pay for the TV at all

You're justification for piracy is bullsh*t. I mean

"the creator of the content still has acess to his or her creation and or the right to sell it"?

IS THAT A JOKE?

WHO IN THERE RIGHT MINDS WOULD BUY SOMETHING, IF THEY CAN JUST TAKE IT?

Your not screwing sony over.. you are screwing the publishers. If their games don't make money, they have to let people go.This is not going to be the project lead, but those new guys who are actually working for a living. Pirates become a competitor in which no business can compete with

It might drive sales of hardware... but not software

Lets put it in a way everyone can understand... because you've fooled yourself into thinking your not stealing

Lets say you run a fruit stand, and the guy next to you has a copier, that copys your fruits, and just gives them away. Slowly, people will realize that the guy next to you's fruits are just as good as yours, but he's just giving them away. Nobody will want to buy your fruits.. because no one would spend money when some one is giving the same product away, at an infinite supply.. FOR FREE

He stole your business.. your not going to make money... which doesn't effect him.. it effects you

You getting the picture, or are you still convinced your not stealing?

People worked hard to make that software, and someone copies that work, and gives it away for free... how can they make money

I laugh when people say they are not stealing when they pirate.. because they have their heads up their a**es

In the end, pirates are greedy, and don't care for who they effect, only that they saved money... why do you think your called pirates?

You want something? Stop being lazy, and get a f**king job.

Autodidactdystopia1550d ago

You guys are right. I dont have a job and I pirate everything. LOL

Im just stating fact.

dont hate the player hate the game.

you dont like piracy then destroy it. oh yeah thats right survival of the fittest. evolution at its best. you and your petty ideals and political correctness are no match for the ugly fist of humanity you live in a dream world where everything is fair and people have morals.

Lets say you run a fruit stand, and the guy next to you has a copier, that copys your fruits, and just gives them away. Slowly, people will realize that the guy next to you's fruits are just as good as yours, but he's just giving them away. Nobody will want to buy your fruits.. because no one would spend money when some one is giving the same product away, at an infinite supply.. FOR FREE

so in theory all of the people who wont buy the honest fruit are the ones to blame. P

hkgamer1550d ago

@auto
piracy is bad and can't be justified, most of the time.

i know its stupid for sony, nintendo and microsoft for releasing such high spec consoles for such a cheap price. they want people to buy their consoles so that they can hopefully make money off game sales. not sure if vita is profiting at all from every sale (if you include r&d).
but people have respect for such company and do not try to rip them off.

it would be ideal if this was a perfect world where no illegal acts are made, but people are selfish, greedy and tempted to do illegal things if they are not caughtor given a chance.

think about pc gaming and how piracy pretty much changed the industry, most games have now got stupid drm or cloud driven like mmo's.

actually, gametrailer's annoyedgamer made a few good/obvious points about game piracy and pretty much all that needs to be discussed is there.

now to move more on topic.
homebrew is good, but outdated. before where itcost alot of money torelease something on a console made homebrewers want to create things like iphone apps. but now with psmobile, it doesn't cost a fortune and you could make money for yourself.
although homebrew has no limits to licensing issues, at the end of the day it is bad. think about emulators. homebrew is mainly for emulators and it enables me to play any game i wanted from the past. but roms are technically illegal so are emulators opening a market to piracy?

i could go on forever about good and bad points, but lets just keep it simple and say homebrew leads to piracy, piracy affects publishers revenue. blah blah blah...

Kurt Russell1549d ago (Edited 1549d ago )

Piracy is maybe not so good... homebrew is awesome.

Playing around with a bit of Unity and having to a system to easily upload your efforts to is great. It pushes creativity within the industry and plenty of gems are created in this way.

Don't be naive and think they're the same thing...

Anyway, piracy won't kill a good console. The DS had the R4 early on, and that didn't stop people making an arse load of money from it, producing a huge library of games.

... Don't know why I am bothering to comment here though, got to get passed some pretty thick skulls to make a point on this site.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1549d ago (Edited 1549d ago )

@NYC_Gamer

The pro sony nazi's disagree!

You bought it so it's yours not sony's property!

Dee_911549d ago

lmao
so when I was stealing candy and gaming magazines from the store I wasnt a thief.I was clearly a genius... despite me being banned from that store for 10 years lmao.Maybe I wouldnt have been banned if I said Hey officer,stealing is inevitable,I go against the grain,Im just an outside the box type of guy,Those idots spend 50cent on that snicker and i got it for free,those dumb idiots spent $5 on that magazine I got it for free,see officer I know how to get the most for my dollar for I am genius.

Auto your not a fanboy your just a idiot lol
That was a good read tho gave me a good laugh at how people here tends to twist evil into good.Then call you a fanboy if you disagree lool too funny

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ZeroChaos1550d ago

A chip in a wall. Let hope someone doesn't continue to go at that chip, causing a crack to appear...

Its not sheep saying this, its common sense.

Strakken1550d ago

No, it is sheep, sheep who don't bother to think past, PIRACY OMG EVIL STEALING HERP DERP

Mythicninja1550d ago

Shimber me timbers! Let the butthurt flow from fanboys! YARRRRRRRRRR

DragonKnight1550d ago

@tachy0n: "Before you get all excited about the idea of illegally downloading full PS Vita games, you should know that this purported hack can't grant such abilities yet."

Fixed to show reality and remove naivety.

ziggurcat1550d ago

"homebrew does not mean piracy."

for all the idiots who says this: homebrew invariably leads to piracy, and hackers that claim that what they do isn't meant for it are just fooling themselves into thinking that someone won't modify what they've done to allow for piracy to happen.

edgeofsins1550d ago

Any kind of hacking leads to piracy. It makes the system easier to manipulate.

TheGamingArt1550d ago

How can anyone argue this. You'd have to be an ignorant idiot to think that people who attempt to hack a console won't reverse engineer any successful attempts for their bidding. Simply put, use the f'ing Playstation Mobile if you want to develop for the Vita. It's available, legal and provides you with the ability of making HOMEBREW. If you go any further than using a provided dev kit, you're not doing it for Homebrew.

Strakken1550d ago

Any kind of creation of devices leads to hacking, so we should stop making things

hkgamer1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

@thegamingart
the hackers reasoning behind this apart from pride and to get famous for hacking first is that homebrew has no limitations to the full use of vita, emulators can be made and no need for sony to allow the game or app to be available on market.

valid points but still not justifiable.
nintendo, microsoft and sony have tried hard this generation to bring back old retro games via dlc. not every game is available and some will never be released due to licensing issue but that is good enough.
if people did really want to play these games then play it on pc. if not then use psmobile app to remote desktop your pc and play those games online.

not sure how much vita sdk costs but psmobile sdk is cheap, like $99 a year i think.its limited, but its apparently easy to use and you could make money from it.
homebrew was also used for video players that support all codecs, but sony and microsoft have been trying to support alot more video files. not 100% sure but i guess an app can be released to psmobile that plays all video formats.
why don't legitimate hackers who want homebrew just wait until psmobile is released so they can see if there is any need to hack the machine.

one final point, hacker also mentioned that homebrewers can bring linux to consoles. sony understood that and put linux on ps3. hackers just ended up abusing that.

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Abriael1550d ago

Homebrew opens the doors to piracy. It's that simple. I'm appalled that some sites continue to give visibility to this kind of lowlifes.

JD_Shadow1549d ago

Care to explain how Homebrew leads to piracy? I heard the arguments of how jailbreaking leads to piracy, but this is the first time I've heard of the Homebrew = piracy thing.

Again, care to explain how Homebrew leads to piracy?

TheGamingArt1550d ago

You'd have to be an ignorant idiot to think that people who attempt to hack a console won't reverse engineer any successful attempts for their bidding. Simply put, use the f'ing Playstation Mobile if you want to develop for the Vita. It's available, legal and provides you with the ability of making HOMEBREW. If you go any further than using a provided dev kit, you're not doing it for Homebrew.

ShadowKingx1550d ago

“Homebrew does not mean piracy”. Thats a bunch of pure BS, theres only one reason hackers hack systems and one of them is always piracy. Plain and simple. Otherwise why the hell do it. So you can get a Gmail App on the vita.

Kamikaze1351550d ago

Sure and Einstein didn't invent the atom bomb, but opened the door wide open for it.

subtenko1549d ago

There is homebrew for Iphone and other mobile smartphones. We all know what else goes on in the underground community's there...

i.e. iphone jailbreak grants you customization which is perfectly fine..but with the jailbreak you can also do unethical things as well.

andibandit1549d ago (Edited 1549d ago )

This would be a huge deal if the Vita had any games worth pirating. And before you say x game says hi, i dont care i already played it on my ps3

MEsoJD1549d ago

It would be great if you could play birth by sleep.

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Carl_Shocker1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

<Never mind...read it in the wrong way>

LOGICWINS1550d ago

Ummm...so? Whats wrong with a homebrew?

Haha1231550d ago

Expect same suituation with the PSP, insane number of sales due to exploitation of the hack, and poor game sales

less then 2 million copied of Peace Walker sold... tut tut

Qrphe1550d ago

What is PlayStation Mobile?

Regardless, I'd be completely happy with PSM if it allowed tapping a bit more into the Vita's power.

SweetIvy1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

"Before you get all excited about the idea of illegally downloading full PS Vita games..." who is this guy addressing?

Definitely not dedicated gamers that realize that producing games COSTS money and that is not just fair but respectful as human beings to pay for the work of other people.

All those that pirate games just 'cause "you're silly not to get freebies when you can" (disrespectful, coward attitude), I'd really love to see them work for a month and then have their boss forfeit their income (yep, working for free, not so nice, uh?).

takohma1550d ago

Nice way to put it. I literally pictured my boss not giving me my check because my work got pirated lmao. Its funny but scary at the same time. I dont know why anyone would disagree with your post.

SweetIvy1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

I guess anyone that could share the view of some very "intelligent" comments made above could disagree with mine.

It's funny how people see digital stuff as not being "real", they wouldn't steal in a shop but they steal online.
It's the same.

Do this people realize that whether something is "real" or digital they are produced in the same way? There are workspace expenses (rents, furniture, cleaning services, bills) and workforce expenses for both, it's not just 0s and 1s!
It's equipment and the work of people.
Never heard of a Studio closing down? Too many times in fact...

The point is some people probably need to feel "smart".
Sure we live in the real world, all of us buying games, and perhaps most of us realize that less a**h**** and more respect wouldn't make for a dream world, but at least for a less crappy one.

And sure you can do whatever you want with a piece of equipment you bought, as long as it doesn't hurt others.
It's funny how these people scream at Sony for imposing upon them (didn't know you're forced to have a Sony console at home... go figure, how much I don't know the world) and don't realize the consequences of their hacking will hurt the companies that make games (sure Sony as well, but it certainly has its back covered more than smaller, independent developers).

Come on, it's like being mad at the power-that-be and then stealing at the local grocery store... who are you hurting?

joeorc1550d ago (Edited 1550d ago )

you are spot on, and right on the money, Which i would like to add.

I call it How other's can destroy your business model, and how you change it!

There are ways to make home brew without destroying a companies business model!

but its pretty straight the Hacker's do not care for Sony's business model, so they do what they want anyway. So i would not be shocked at what Sony may do in the future in order to leverage their iP's where they can at least make some money for their publishing and 3rd party some money for their published works for developer's.

example:

Eufloria dev: Vita an ideal home for mid-tier games
http://www.edge-online.com/...

let that sink in real good to these Hacker's and the "Gamer's that support their actions" and when the time comes, Hay why are we not getting any AAA games?

well Its all Sony's fault, they don't advertise the PSVita enough, or The price needs to be dropped, then i will buy. So what Sony may do is let people buy the PSVita because people see the Hacker's are doing a Quote a great thing for the "consumer"

All the while Sony stop's making very many AAA games and lets the PSVita stay as just yet another Playstation Mobile certified device that is Fantastic for Mid Tier Games.

So if the content get's taken, well at least our investment into making the Game is not as much.

Besides the Consumer get's Home Brew RIGHT?

HomeBrew is better than AAA quality games, because no one want's to play a AAA quality game on a lil 5" screen right? because those Game's are better on a living room game console..right?

One of my fav. statements talked about on gamer forums!

Worded a few way's but here is the just of it:

"Sony did not learn anything from the PSP, they are making the same mistakes as they did last time."

OH' BUT THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND,you see Sony not only learned from the past they expanded on it this time, to offset this , 1) lock the normal hacking methods no easy to get card reader, no easy battery hack , High price memory storage, no internal memory storage. etc 2) keep the system price as long as they can , as high as they can. 3) expand their Platform for software to other platforms to increase development for Mid Tier Games.4) get a licence fee for other devices to be certified so as to make sure a developer can get another income stream, but lower the cost in development, but retain more increase in ROI.

Thanks Hacker's lower AAA investment cost Games for the PSVita ,was a waste for 3rd party and Sony is taking you up on the offer. Less and Less AAA games and more Mid Tier quality games, because that's what a handheld need's, hey also as an added bonus, we still get to pay higher price for Mid Tier quality games.

yup Sony learned quite a bit from the Hacking scene last time. That's the great thing anyone can be a hacker, even people that work over @ Sony.

Wolf into sheep's den!