Ground Zeroes In-Depth Analysis and Gen Speculation

Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes was revealed recently at the 25th Anniversary event of the Metal Gear franchise. Now take a look at an analysis of the reveal trailer, as well as facts that point to the game not coming out on this generation of consoles.

[SlavisH2]

ps360 CANNOT RUN THAT game in its current state that is why it was on a pc. I call b.s. if ps3 could run it it would have been shown. I think this is a next gen game they just can't say since the next gen hasn't been announced! This game is beyond anything I have seen on ps360

[Hoje0308]

It could be for current and next gen. They'd be stupid to pass up on the opportunity to sell this to the tens of millions of current gen console owners in favor of a few million early adopters. Games cost a lot of money to make and Konami is a business.
Edit : Anyone that thinks this couldn't be done on current hardware would do well to realize that we've only seen nighttime gameplay and cut scenes. The character models and lighting are mind blowing, but the foliage and a few textures were decidedly current gen. I could see this being scaled to today's hardware.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

Yeah I get you.

No doubt the trailer looked stunning, the character models were big (just like MGS4)and the lighting amazing. (as it is in MGS4)

But people are going overboard claiming these are the best graphics ever. The rocks looked pasted texture wise at some points as did the foliage, the smoke from the flair was pretty current as well...

The game could probably look like that (in 720 @around 30 FPS) on current gen consoles. I have seen sequences in Uncharted/ Killzone and MGS4 that match it in fidelity. Lets not forget that rain makes everything look shiny and nice.

The game looks great, but not impossibly good for current gen. besides this is MGS! It's about the gameplay, not the graphics, and this is coming from the #1 graphic whore.

[Danlisa]

So, you don't believe the games designer?

If Kojima says it will run, with 'close' to the same quality on current generation consoles, it will. The FoX Engine was specifically built to scale across platforms and generational tech with little or no difference in performance/quality.

Let's also not forget, Kojima is a master at making the impossible happen on whatever platform he chooses.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

What if it was running in 1080p 60fps? Should I believe ps3 will have that? This game is open world & kojima also he said it will look close not identical.

You do realize the ps3 spec card 7800gtx was discontinued for 4+ years ago and can no long be purchased right? Kojima is lying to keep ps3 fans happy.

Also since a pc can't be optimized like a console this is what that card can do
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
 15-18 fps

Now tell me how you run a high end game in 2012 with this 2006 pc card with triple the graphical fidelity & maybe better looking that BF3 on pc in an open world? You don't you stick a gtx 560 in or higher.

[IrOnIcGaMeR07]

You guyz do realize at the end of the trailer it stated that it will be available on 360, PS3, or PC and look at the example of WATCH DOGS Ubisoft clearly stated it will be comin on current gen.

1.Take a look at Halo 4 graphic engine on the 360 as we can see 360 has potential to provide better graphics.

2.PS3's Last of Us best examples as we can see tiny details like Blood, Bullet holes etc. clearly it has enough to provide fox engine.

3.When Kojima showed the fox engine for the first time with the African kid and a Dog, i thought this would be use for next gen BUT NO kojima stated and was playing on current gen with a 360 controller.

4.Kojima was playing MGS GZ on PC with a PS3 hardware and a xbox 360 controller...
It was a tease or a sign that MGS GZ will be comin on multi platform (Y)

[JAM_brz]

The Xbox360 controller doesn´t mean that the game was played in a Xbox360. Could have been running in a PC with a Xbox360 controller. I run games in a PC and I use a Xbox360 controller.

But I think this actual generation of consoles is capable of run Fox Engine. I think Fox Engine was built to make actual generation games, and games for the next gen too.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

looks like it was running on a pc.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[TheKayle]

totally agree with u slavish2

(ps. im a xbox 360/ps3 owner)

[AdaptAndOvercome]

In my humble opinion Metal Gear Solid 4 is one of the greatest games ever created. From Graphics, gameplay to story, all are top notch. If kojima could pull that off 4 years ago on a console, Imagine what he could do now with the optimised fox engine. I don't call it bullshit, I think the end game will look almost as good as the trailer.

[Hoje0308]

I agree, but they seem to have emphasized how the engine can be scaled to new technology. Since Fox isn't being licensed, it makes me wonder if they're developing next gen versions in parallel. Or MGS5 is being developed for PS4/720 as we speak.

[AdaptAndOvercome]

That would be awesome. I would love ground Zeroes to be a cross platform release, both on PS3 and 4.
I wonder who will star in MGS5.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

It's true what you say. Look how good MGS4 looked 4 years ago...

With optimization, the game could look this good, albeit lower resolution and frame rate..

[VonBraunschweigg]

What's there to speculate? I watched the complete demo, at the very end there's the usual screen with platform & network logos.

It says xBox 360 & Live, and PS3 & PSN. Looking again at what's at display, nice graphics but nothing impossible for this gen. We can only speculate on the story, which Snake is working for what organization and for what cause. Guess we'll have to wait a few months, a year perhaps.

[Red-star365]

Kojima has already said that the PS3 version of the game will run like the demo did, and the PC that the demo was played on had similar specs to the PS3:

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[pr0digyZA]

Hopefully it will, it sounds like they haven't got it there yet though, and it is more of an aim. Which is probably why they didn't show the PS3 version.

[greenpowerz]

Can't believe that BS is still being spread by Sony fans. You guys keep mentioning that as if you know for sure kojima was purposely singling out ps3 over the 360 and not simply responding to a question from Sony centric media or making a statement to Sony centric media and crowd of fans.

I try to find where he says this but only find the rumor spread by that ps blog. Did kojima really say this? And if he did why worry about ps3 specs when he was trying to show off the new engine using the power of pc to really show off what it can do for PC and next gen. LoL

Can you tell me the minute in the video where he said that? That is the reason you posted the video?

[Red-star365]

well that's what he says at 46:44... and i believe the intention of the demo wasn't to show off for next-gen, I'm pretty sure he only wanted to show off the game... apparently the FOX engine can be scaled up for the next generation though? maybe that's what you meant? I probably should have been a bit more specific :P

[vandal GAB]

It's obvious the demo was running on a high end PC with the resolution and frame rate caped to the the limitations of the PS3 (current gen) i.e 720p @30fps. There is a huge miss interpretation in what kojima said when it comes to the spec of the PC running the demo. Image quality in the demo is far beyond what is capable on the current gen, PS360 owners expect a downgrade in visual quality similar to how BF3 scales from PC to console.

[peowpeow]

I honestly don't think a dev would risk performance stutters and possible lag during a major reveal by using a PC specced similarly to PS3 even if it could run on one.

Now.. can someone confirm if this is coming to PC? I read someone say there was a PC logo on the video somewhere.. my internet here is too bad to watch videos

[LeoDDestroyer]

Still looking for it myself. So far all the screens I have seen only have the xbox and ps logos at the end of the trailer. Some people I believe thought that the ps logo was the pc logo as well. Hopefully they will release a clearer answer to this soon.

[pr0digyZA]

Its apparently in the poster. Im sure it will come to PC especially if it is already running on it the question is will they release it same time.

[SnotyTheRocket]

Visual Quality? Uncharted and MGS4 say Hi.

[Jazz4108]

Hi Uncharted Hi Mgs4...

[Summons75]

Actually they said it was running on a PC with CURRENT gen specs, so it is more than possible for PS and 360 to handle this. They also said it's for PS and 360. I have no idea why you people doubt what the producer says about his own game.

[yabhero]

Want this for WiiU

[yewles1]

Are people really STILL speculating over the graphics matching ratio of a debut target render MGS trailer? Let me remind you guys here...

MGS E3 1997
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

MGS3 E3 2003
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

MGS4 TGS 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

MGS3D 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

A lot of MG games don't match up to their unveils in quality, and GZ looks to be just another case of such.

[garos82]

you got to admit the actual games didnt stray far from the unveils in the time. your post actually made me think it will be quite close to what has been shown so far

[Sarcasm]

I don't get what you're getting at. The games looked 95% like the reveal trailers you linked.

[Hasanhastam]

That cutscenes was impressive but i cant see anything impossible in demo.

[iDotDotDot]

It's not that it's impossible but highly unlikely, though Kojima is adamant that its coming out on this gen.
If it does I can promise you it wont look as good.

If you want another little point of proof, look @ Yewles1's post, MGS4 was accounced in 2005 but came out in 2008. There just isn't enough time left this Gen for Kojima to finish it in time.