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Submitted by kamruk 263d ago | rumor

Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes - Raiden's origin?

Xbigy Games' Kamran Draeger writes:

"Konami has released a huge chunk from their new Fox Engine demo that was revealed during the Metal Gear 25th Anniversary event and it appears as if Snake could have possibly not been the only familiar face to show up." (Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

Update "If you listen closely to the English translator in the Trailer at 11:22, he accidentally lets slip who the boy is... 'That area off in the distance, that square area, that's the cage that you saw in the beginning, with the boy, Chico'. "

Props to onyoursistersback for spotting this. The leaked presentation in which this can be heard has been embedded in the article.

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Whitefeather  +   263d ago
This would Raiden older than Solid Snake. That is probably Solid Snake after being made by FOX or XOF.
kamruk  +   263d ago
Well they're roughly the same age. Solid Snake was born in 1972, he only looks so old in MGS4 because of the manipulated cloning process which leaves him with a genetic defect making him age rapidly.
Whitefeather  +   263d ago
I'm an MGS buff I know he's older due to the accelerated aging. Raiden was actually born sometime in the 80s making him at least 8 years younger than Solid Snake.
kamruk  +   263d ago
Exactly, if I'm not mistaken he was born '79. I just don't see why this would make it improbable that this could be Raiden in Ground Zeroes.

Are you claiming it's probably Snake because Ground Zeroes takes place after Peace Walker? That would make sense, as, you are right, Raiden was not born yet.
gamesmaster  +   263d ago
the game is pretty much confirmed to take place in 1979 or later, the gun in the image is FN FNC carbine a Belgian weapon which entered service in 1979. the inclusion of the Rhodesian ridge-back in art and of course naomi's past there leds me to believe the game takes place in the aftermath of the Rhodesian civil war. the kid is pretty much confirmed as chico.
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MasFlowKiller  +   263d ago
The Kids name is Chico from Peace Walker
MasFlowKiller  +   263d ago
You guys need to play Peace Walker
Its on my top 3 Metal Gears game
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Blacktric  +   263d ago
And... who ruled out the possibility of the game having time jumps? You do remember that the very first screenshot from the game showed a young Snake (most likely post PW), wearing a suit with an MSF patch on it while the Snake we saw in the demo was obviously older and had a FOX patch on his suit. So do not rule out the possibility of the boy being Chico yet. The first part of the demo we saw could easily be taking place in the past while the other half, the one starts with Snake's arrival, could be the one taking place years later.
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No Way  +   263d ago
@Whitefeather -
You should teach me the story of MGS, lol.. I've missed so much. ;/
But, from what I know and have played, I really dig it.
Some of it just seems soo.. complicated, ahah.
hazelamy  +   262d ago
i thought it was the foxdie virus that made Snake look so old in 4.
onyoursistersback  +   263d ago | Helpful
All of the evidence released so far indicates that the game will start in the late 70's, shortly after Peace Walker...
http://www.computerandvideo...

Big Boss (Naked Snake) will be in his 40's (born 1935). If Solid Snake, Liquid Snake (Ocelot), or even Solidus Snake (George Sears) appear in the game, then they would be very young (all born 1972)...

If you listen closely to the English translator in the Trailer at 11:22, he accidentally lets slip who the boy is... "That area off in the distance, that square area, that's the cage that you saw in the beginning, with the boy, Chico".

Since Chico is only 12 years old during the Peace Walker Incident in 1974, and he doesn't appear to be much older in the Trailer, then this game may only start a year or two later. The woman that Chico apparently betrayed while in captivity may have been his older sister, Amanda Valenciano Libre. He's being held hostage at "Camp Omega", a facility operated by the mysterious American PMC "XOF" (FOX backwards), which is located at the southernmost tip of Cuba. Paz Ortega Andrade is also being held captive there, and Big Boss must rescue her before "XOF" interrogates her for the location of Cipher (Zero)...
http://metalgear.wikia.com/...

The "Burned Man" appears to be Vladimir Alexandrovich Zadornov, who supposedly died in Peace Walker after being shot by Big Boss. I'm not sure how he could've been burned so badly though. His right hand is also a prosthetic, which you can't tell in the Trailer since both of his hands were covered by gloves...
" http://i.imgur.com/HeclQ.jp...
gamesmaster  +   263d ago
could the "burned man" possibly be gray fox? i remember reading that he fought in the Rhodesian bush war and had his nose and ears cut off, mutilated by the the frelimo.
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doogiebear  +   263d ago
Good stuff man! U should do some journalism on n4g and show these clown authors what REAL research is all about. Also, do u know why Chico had the male side of his earphones planted inside of his chest? What's that about? And also, we know it's Chico when the man tells him to send his "Boss" his regards (yes it said boss with a capitol "B".). Chico was always weak under torture, but he's just a kid. Plus he's malnutritioned so he's so small too.

Last thing: I suspect that the mysteriously burnt man could possibly be decoy octopus. Looks similar in the trench coat, but I guess thats not enough to go on. Plus the burnt face...hmmm.

FINALLY: Did u notice how the snake in the concept art was younget, less muscular, and had black hair with a black 5'o clock shadow, with a foxhound badge on his shoulder? YET, the Snake in the trailer had grey hair (obviously big boss), more toned, and a grisly short beard, and an MSF badge. What the heck is going on o.O
soniqstylz  +   263d ago
I thought the burned man was Zero.
Tito08  +   263d ago
@ gamesmaster-Nah, of course it ain't Gray Fox, Big Boss knew Fox as a kid & fought him back when he was a teenager known as Null in Portable Ops, which was a few years before PW, Big Boss offered him his help & recruit him as one of his soldiers, that's where Big Boss gave him the name Gray Fox.....

When looking at the burned man, & looked at his face, I immediately thought about Psycho Mantis, in MGS1 he told Solid Snake he knew Big Boss before... The kid obviously isn't Solid Snake, he would have knew who Psycho Mantis was by the events MGS1, that's obviously Chico!!!

@ onyoursistersback- I may be crazy, but that would lead me to believe Vladimir Alexandrovich Zadornov & Psycho Mantis are the same person, IDK!!!!
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DigitalAnalog  +   263d ago
@onyoursistersback
The highest probability for the burned man is none other than Major Zero or an agent under him. Zadornov, despite his prosthetic hand, is RIGHT handed. You can clearly see the burned man utilized his left hand when he removed the XOF sign at the hind.
xAlmostPro  +   263d ago
Whats with all the speculation?.. Chico and 'paz' are known characters in the franchise.

It's nothing been worked out or speculated. Know your stuff before writing articles :)
Whitefeather  +   263d ago
It's fun to speculate but these guys are way off base.
GUNS N SWORDS  +   262d ago
If it's chico then why is he still young and snake so old? Did they do that ageing mistake again like they did with the early vids of Mgs4 with Meryl?

Snake's gotten older, also how many years later is this from peace walker?
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Crazyglues  +   262d ago
People you should go here - http://bit.ly/N8FB7x

there seems to be a lot being explained here, not sure if it's right though.. -but it is interesting..

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Hellsvacancy  +   263d ago
I hope not, i dislike Raiden, he spoiled MGS2 imo (which means nothin to you)
Jio  +   263d ago
I love MGS2, he wasn't my favorite character but I don't hate him. People just blindly hate Raiden because it's what the internet tells them to do.

He does look like a woman though.
linkratos  +   263d ago
What, I think most people's hate for him formed easily enough without the internet. mine definitely did. if anything the internet has served as his defense force
deep_fried_bum_cake  +   263d ago
linkratos

You're overestimating people. Most peoples opinions on things are usually affected by what others around them are saying about it. They don't even realise that that is why they dislike it. People are sheep.

You start to notice this stuff when you look at, or hear what it is about something that people dislike. You notice that everyone is saying almost they exact same thing word for word.

I'll admit that there will be some instances of coincidence and free thinkers in there though.
LordMe  +   263d ago
I loved Raiden... I HATED Rose...
Jio  +   263d ago
LordMe, do you remember what day tomorrow is?
LordMe  +   263d ago
The day after Breaking Bad's mid season break begins? And the day before I get the RE6 demo... Basically a very pesky day that I do not want to exist...

EDIT: Wait... Just realized why you said that... lol, good one!
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pixelsword  +   263d ago
Why did he say that? I'm sure it's a clever one, but I don't have the media exposure to connect the dots...
LordMe  +   263d ago
Rose asked Raiden that in MGS2.

She kept asking him what the next day was, and he never remembered.
na2ru1  +   263d ago
Raiden, I'm carrying your......I'm PRERRRRG....DURRRR
CarlosX360  +   263d ago
But Raiden has to be somewhere around 20 when he appeared in MGS2. He looked young in there, even with the grey hair.

My gut still says it's Jack/Raiden.
lilmetal  +   263d ago
Don't we already know that's Chico? They even make mention of his sister, Amanda.
Whitefeather  +   263d ago
I don't think it's Chico he seems too young compared to Big Boss' aged look that and I don't think he'd sell out his sister. EDIT: I'd also like to point out that we found out in MGS4 that Big Boss did not know about the cloning until after they had done it since he was away in another country due to his falling out with Zero (which we found out is when he made MSF). He does come back later to work with FOX until his plan is ready.
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firelogic  +   263d ago
PEACE WALKER SPOILERS
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Chico's already a sell-out in PW. This is referred to in the demo by that disfigured man.
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doogiebear  +   263d ago
Chico is malnurashed and does not grow much. Also, I feel bad for the kid. He sold out twice, but he's just a kid. Children fold under torture.
Carl_Shocker  +   263d ago
Thats what I was thinking

Dosen't he say something along the lines of

"Chico and Amanda are being held somewhere in the east of the base"

Anyway I wonder what those things are on his body...they look like holes or something where wires go in.
firelogic  +   263d ago
The translator says it's Chico. He's chico!
Carl_Shocker  +   263d ago
Just like to say I'm loving the update

"Props to onyoursistersback for spotting this"

lilmetal, me and others spotted this 6-8 hours ago...

Just saying...
raiden-49  +   263d ago
Anyone else think its odd that there was a lead going into his belly for headphones and then he used them in his walkman or something?
RowSand  +   263d ago
can u download mgs hd collection on psn? for ps3
Haha123  +   263d ago
Think they're released separately on psn, but in a bundle on disc
doogiebear  +   263d ago
Yes go to "Full Ps3 games" in the psn store and look under "M" for the games. They just rolled them out over the last 2 weeks.
RowSand  +   263d ago
im on eu store im looking for peacewalker
Lulz_Boat  +   263d ago
this is CHICO. from Peace Walker.

Raiden was captured by Solidus, solidus isn't even born in this game.

WHAT A FAIL.
_-EDMIX-_  +   262d ago
LOL! Its funnier because its like Mr.Peanut is saying fail to this guy!

As he should. Why would a guy who didn't even play all the MGS or (didn't understand them) make such a silly article. It might be one of the stupidest articles i've seen ALL YEAR! At least the fanboy articles intended to flame have there purposes.
wnek9  +   263d ago
its chico he has a scar on his cheek just like chico
-Gespenst-  +   263d ago
I thought for sure it was Solidus, but it's pretty much been confirmed that it's Chico. I had to look up who that was coz I haven't played Peace Walker yet.
mochachino  +   263d ago
Impossible, he would be too old.

On an unrelated note, the more next-gen games I see the less impressive the next-gen Unreal engine looks to me. So many games are destroying that lava knight demo.
Romudeth  +   263d ago
People seriously need to play Peace Walker.
Dengo  +   263d ago
You guys really need to focus more , chico has a small scar in his left cheek

this is the kid from MGS GZ : http://metalgearsolid.nl/wp...

and this is chico look at his left cheek : http://images3.wikia.nocook...

i can see the similarity between them both but the scar confused me up ...

and its also impossible that he is the solid snake , cuz this guy has a blonde hair and solid snake is a brown haired

so he might be liquid snake

"its my own expository so its ok if you wouldn't agree"
auen1  +   263d ago
whoever was thinking that:

did you not notice that this kid has brown hair while raiden has very light blonde hair?
CarlosX360  +   263d ago
Raiden in MGS2 was grey.

Raiden in MGS4 was [light] blonde, as you said.

It could also be that the environment made the hair to be dark blonde...?

And even if this is Chico, the name can easily be changed in the MGS series. For example, in MGS2, there has been many references to Raiden's many names. Jack, Jack the Ripper, and another name I forget.
Tito08  +   263d ago
Jack is actually Raiden's real name, Jack the Ripper was just a name given by Solidus just due to the legend of the real serial killer.... But at the beginning of his mission in MGS2, Colonel Campbell called him Snake, but Raiden wasn't comfortable with the name cause it reminded the colonel about Solid Snake, so that's where the name change to Raiden came from, plus Raiden is a clone of Solidus, I don't think Solidus was born by then since he was the 3rd Snake, so that boy obviously isn't Raiden!!!
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auen1  +   262d ago
raiden is a solidus clone? since when? i thought solidus said raiden was his adopted son.
CDzNutts  +   263d ago
Wow....

So if I haven't played the PSP versions, I'll be lost? As someone who has beaten the entire "Solid" saga minus these games, that kind of grinds my gears.
CarlosX360  +   263d ago
Don't worry about it. You're not alone. I have never played Peace Walker, and I want to.
irokster  +   262d ago
I have the HD collection and I'm seriously tempted to play through PW now.
Neo-Axl  +   263d ago
I'm glad others have already pointed out that it's Chico, If any of you without a clue payed attention to the dialogue subtitles at the bottom you'd know it was Chico, & his sister has been captured/tortured.. & Big Boss's mission is to save both of them.

For anybody new to the series (Xbox folk) or people who missed out on Peace Walker because it was a PSP game, Now is the time to play through the HD collection.. Don't miss Peace Walker because of it's origins on PSP, Your a damned fool if you think it'll be a crappy game because of it was on a handheld console.

This new Metal Gear Solid is proof that developers these days can push current gen system's even more, Kojima & Kojima Productions we salute you!.
CarlosX360  +   263d ago
Even if Big Boss's mission is to save them, this story lends into Raiden's original reason for living: Helping Snake. If this is Big Boss, then, by the time Raiden is a full man in MGS2/MGS4, he would be mixed up in thinking that the Snake he met in Ground Zeroes is the same Snake he saw in MGS2.
Fez  +   262d ago
I'm pretty sure Raiden had no interaction with Big Boss and the first time he meets Snake is MGS2... so they're would be no confusion. http://metalgear.wikia.com/...
Solidus killed his parents and brought him up as a child soldier.

And what do you mean Raiden's reason for living? My understanding is he was brought up to be a ruthless killer, not to help Snake.

The kid is Chico. Raiden was born c1980s so he probably wouldn't even be born at this point in time.
_-EDMIX-_  +   263d ago
I still can't stop laughing at that. He writes an artical about a MGS game....yet he hasn't acutally played all the MGS games.....too funny. This game starts where Peace Walker ends. (from what i hear, i myself can admit i didn't play Portable Ops or Peace Walker...but i will NOW!) LOL
belac09  +   263d ago
its chico, get over it, the demo is clear about that.
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Shotcalm  +   263d ago
HAHAHA am i the only one who noticed the guy who found out it's chicos username? Onyoursistersback XD LOL
EverydayGuy  +   263d ago
I think Ground Zero mean the beginning of Solid Snake. I think Ground Zero means when it all began.
onyoursistersback  +   263d ago
you almost got it...its "Zeroes" its referring to more then one!!! the begging/birth of Solid and Liquid snake's....
one2thr  +   263d ago
You forgot "Solidus Snake"
vakarian75  +   263d ago
Didn't they already say that the game takes place after 4 and leads into 5
irokster  +   262d ago
Idiot. The protagoniist is obviously Big boss. Stop making stuff up. It's a prequel to 5, but doesn't necessarily mean it goes after 4 in chronological order.
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listenkids  +   263d ago
He doesn't accidentally let slip the characters name.. It's a plot point they shared that's said in the game's own dialogue. Jesus, try harder.
urwifeminder  +   263d ago
Thats not his hair boycott.
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videoxgamexfanboy  +   263d ago
Hopefully there's more gameplay than watching this time. MGS4 was cool and all but I'm not Gunna spend 60$ again to watch a game. Hopefully with a open world setting ill get my wish.
Gamesgbkiller  +   262d ago
Ya its chico
if you played PEACE WALKER you will know that this boy is crazy with MP3 stuff :)
Kran  +   262d ago
Picture looks like Carl if he were in a Walking Dead game.
zoks310  +   262d ago
Nah, not Snake or Raiden, the time is not right. This game will center around Big Boss and the characters introduced in the Portable Ops/Peace Walker series.

Think of it as PO/PW game-play style making its full home console debut.

If Snake or Raiden makes an appearance i expect them to be either infants, or a mere mention of a project in the game dialog discussing a project where super soldiers are being cloned..... ala a spiritual reverence only.
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kamruk  +   262d ago
I'm wondering if it could tie in to the ending where Big Boss and Solid Snake meet at the grave, with Big Boss finding out about the cloning project in Ground Zeroes.
Fez  +   262d ago
I'm hoping for some time jumping tbh. And also having Snake as a playable character. There's quite a big gap in the Metal Gear universe about the time when Snake is part of Foxhound being commanded by Big Boss.

Obviously Metal Gear 1 centres around Snake's first mission with Big Boss but I would like this to be revisited or the points leading up to it. Snake was trained by Miller and Big Boss... this would be an incredible crossing point of the two Snakes and could be one of the most important points of the series, and it hasn't even been explored!
ANIALATOR136  +   262d ago
in no way is it raiden. His hair isnt blonde. Its got ot be one of the Twin Snakes
No_Pantaloons  +   262d ago
If they force raiden into another metal gear solid game im NOT buying it. Go ahead and disagree with me all you sheep...
souljah45  +   262d ago
The spokesperson said it's Chico from MGS:PW
Spore_777  +   262d ago
Whoever the boy is, I am still playing this game.
SEAN1617  +   262d ago
YOU GUYS OVERLOOKED SOMETHING THE WALKMAN WAS MADE IN 1979 so
it must be in the early 80s.
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