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Submitted by Valay 595d ago | news

Square Enix reveals new Final Fantasy XIII project

Square Enix has been teasing a new Final Fantasy XIII Lightning Saga game for what feels like ages now. Today, the company finally unveiled what it has in store for the series. (Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   595d ago | Well said
Oh hell no.

SE must think we can't get enough of 13 apparently. They are not getting the message. Leave the 13 saga alone, release VS, and then release 15. This what the fans want and not 13-3, 13-4, 13-5, etc. We are tired of 13. Move on to something new.
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Carl_Shocker  +   595d ago
Instead of giving the majority of FF fans what we want...a FF we can all enjoy, they still feel the need to focus on FF13 fans who are the minority.

Why not move on and make a game everyone can enjoy like FF15. It seems selfish at the end of the day, I'm pretty sure they could of done a DLC pack for FF13-2 to wrap up Lightnings story.

I mean in my opinion I don't even find her a good character, when you have main characters like Cloud, Squall, Tidus, Zidine for example she just dosen't live up to them, sorry to be blunt FF13 fans but she's just not likable, especialy to keep on making games based around her. I think she only appeared good in FF13 because she was surrounded by characters worse then her.
guitarded77  +   594d ago
***Insert Expletive Filled Rant Here***

I really can't believe this is happening. I can now be completely certain that Square/Enix is not concerned with the gamers who built their business.
DasBunker  +   594d ago
Well someone down the line must be fawkin things up.. I mean if the games weren't selling SE would stop the BS. It probably makes them a quick buck with little effort.

@Below

The resources wasted on this shit could have gone to VS and perhaps by now people would actually be playing it instead of begging like animals for some footage.
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blitz0623  +   594d ago
Some of you don't understand. While I also despise their decisions of milking the FFXIII series, I believe it doesn't hinder their development of other projects.

Nomura is head of Versus and has nothing to do with the Lightning Saga. You want FFXV? Well, I'm sure you don't want Toriyama directing it. Thankfully, he's busy with this stupid Lightning Saga.
TheHater  +   594d ago
@Blitz0623
"Some of you don't understand. While I also despise their decisions of milking the FFXIII series, I believe it doesn't hinder their development of other projects."
Actually base on past knowledge, it does. They took the majority of the VS team to finish Final Fantasy XII and XIII-2. I can see them doing it again.

After this announcement, Square Enix is dead to me. I want to know who the fuck asked for this game.
xGrunty  +   594d ago
Ummm....who cares about those characters. All I have to say is TERRA. Am I the only one who played FFVI?!?!
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guitarded77  +   594d ago
@ blitz0623

Square reps have said that they had most/all resources dedicated to FFXIII when it was in full development. They said that was their main focus at that time and when it was done, they'd have more resources for Vs. I'm not going to dig through thousands of articles to cite my source, because I have games to play, but I remember that being the case back when. So yes, making another Lightning FF does take resources away from Vs, even if it is easier to make a Lightning game using already made character models and what not.
aiBreeze  +   594d ago
Lol Square have lost the plot tbh.. in the UK you can get the game for £6.85. To put that into perspective, it's cheaper to buy that than 2 Mcdonalds meals.

Square should instead be focusing their resources on a possible next gen FF. Make it a great final fantasy game with iconic characters then they can probably get away with spurning a bunch of sequels for it and milking the universe slightly.
badz149  +   594d ago
totally called it!
can pretty much say that the rumor that VS is dead is getting truer by the days!
sharkraiden0  +   594d ago
"I mean in my opinion I don't even find her a good character, when you have main characters like Cloud, Squall, Tidus, Zidine"

Squall? the biggest idiot boring EMO guy
Zidane: i already forget ziidane.. lol..
Tidus:? irritating idiot character..most lame
Cloud: Squall 2, gay another big EMO

Im happy square Enix is not the same old shit Square Soft.. SEnix make 1000X times better Final Fantasy games than old Square Soft...
DragonKnight  +   594d ago
@sharkraiden0: I really wish there was a debubble option for stupid. I really do.

OT: You can thank the FF13 apologizers for this one. The lack of standards built upon playing MUCH better FF games from the past generations caused them to believe that FF13 was a good game and 13-2 was a better one. They didn't like how 13-2 ended and, despite SE trying to milk purchases of their comic and DLC to explain the ending, the apologizers complained about a lack of closure for a terrible series of games. SE, being as blind as they are, thought that the small few who liked 13 and 13-2 represented the majority and that we are all loving it and wanting more. Enter this 3rd abomination. Well, I didn't buy 13-2, I'm not buying this, and if SE don't clean up their act and start making GOOD console games I won't be buying anything more from them.
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R6ex  +   594d ago
I'm glad Lightning is back!

Hope to play Lightning in 2012! ;)
ABizzel1  +   594d ago
Square: We're going to keep making 'em until you believe you love it.
THESONYPS3  +   594d ago
Release Final Fantasy 14 online: A realm reborn
Finish Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Finish Final Fantasy X HD remaster for PS3/Vita
Remake Final Fantasy VII for next gen consoles.
Make a new Final Fantasy/ Kingdom Heart for Vita
Make Kingdom Hearts 3
Make FF15
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Nimblest-Assassin  +   595d ago
Well.. I never played a FF game.. but this is the final 13 game

So.. I guess thats good... right?

What was wrong with the game? Just out of curiosity
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Carl_Shocker  +   595d ago
What wasn't wrong with the game...

Lets just say if didn't have FF slapped on the box it would of gotten the benefit of the doubt as being a new IP

It just wasn't a FF game at heart, it's like someone came along and sucked all the RPG goodness out of FF13 in production.

It had a terrible story which was so complicated you had to keep looking things up to know what the hell was going on, plotholes, unlikable characters which were either bland, boring, annoying, or all three, the battle system was too easy and played it's self most of the time, you had hardly no control in battle, the summons were like transformers: summons in disguise, linear gameplay, no upgrading weapons, no NPCs to talk to, hardly no side quests, no airship, no overworld map...I could go on, hell even the theme song sucked
Lost Odyssey was the true FF13 this gen...and that game proved turn based is NOT old fashioned. So please I would advise you to buy that instead
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   594d ago
If I could be bothered I'd tell you in depth. My main gripes with the games was the extreme linearity and the battle system and it doesn't help that I find the story extremely uninteresting so making sequels to expand the story just pisses me off when they can be putting the resources into VS13 and 15 instead.

EDIT!!!!

I just saw the update and I saw REAL TIME gameplay. It might be a big deal to those that want the traditional FF battle system, but it's a big deal to me. I might actually give the game a chance now instead of totally dismissing the game altogether like I did 13-2.
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DOMination-  +   594d ago
FFX was just as linear as FF13 yet everyone raves about it (not me)
Wintersun616  +   594d ago
@DOmination-

FFX had true RPG combat and character development, NPCs to talk to, minigames to play, interesting and likable characters and a good story. FFXIII had none of those things.
aGameDeveloper  +   594d ago
@Carl_Shocker

I loved Lost Odyssey! I watched work-mates playing the first few hours of Final Fantasy 13 (while I was working, so I did not have to suffer through the whole thing), which was enough for me to decide not to buy it, myself.
ElasticLove  +   595d ago
The casual market is eating it up. On PS3 alone FF 13 sold over 4 million copies worldwide (FF 13 part 2 sold 2mill). As long as the common consumer keep buying it, they don't care what we think.
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shikamaroooo  +   594d ago
And the Japanese market alone, bought 1.8 million copies of FF13
wishingW3L  +   594d ago
Just do the math:

FFXIII sold 8 millions

FFXIII-2 sold 2 millions

I think this is prove enough that most people doesn't want any more FFXIII sequels.
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Genmu  +   594d ago
and u think thats alot for an ff game ?
its beyond pathetic

the fact that ff13 sold 4mil and the sequel even lesser shows how trash this game is.

and now they trying to make it a versus wannabe lol.

anw expect less sales than ff13-2...ppl simply dont give a fck about ff13 in the west.

the reason ff13 sold was becasue its was the first ff this gen and the lies of square but hey ppl played it and now look at ff13-2 sales....pathetic indeed
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BitbyDeath  +   594d ago
Still 2 million too many considering FFXIII-2 was mostly scraps of FFXIII
Irishguy95  +   595d ago
Absolutely dreadful presentation, what a waste of time
TheHater  +   594d ago
Honestly
Honestly, this picture pretty much describe my reaction and everything I feel right now
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laoboy_Smoke  +   594d ago
wOOOOOOOOOOOOOOw! SMFH
gintoki777  +   594d ago
Finally Lightning Returns I've been waiting for so long!!

Lets just change the name of the company to Square-Lightning or something...
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adorie  +   594d ago
Lightning Saga? she's about as shallow as a cheap koi pond.
NastyLeftHook0  +   594d ago
best news ever square enix! keep it up! im loving the 13 games!
MRMagoo123  +   594d ago
you forgot the /s ........right ..............???
PshycoNinja  +   594d ago
"Fans see Lightning as the face of Square Enix, she is an iconic character."
-Product Manager of Lighning Returns

Lol Square Enix are so delusional. That's what they said to people here in Seattle at the 25th Anniversary. Everyone grumbled and laughed when he said that. After that everyone started talking and mocking him. It was funny to see.
sharkraiden0  +   594d ago
Do you think we believe in you?

you are just a hater thats all..
Nathaniel_Drake  +   594d ago
I think sharkraiden is right Lighting is the iconic character of Square Enix she is just as forgettable as the company nowadays
dasbeer88  +   594d ago
Tell Square-Enix to change Versus XIII's name to something else. The number XIII is tainted all thanks to them.
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ALLWRONG  +   594d ago
Had my comment been pro playstation it wouldn't have been removed like these here http://n4g.com/news/1070421... take a screen shot and post this in the next big Nintendo and Xbox news that has lots of trolling.
DragonKnight  +   594d ago
Your comment was a blatant troll comment. At this very moment there is absolutely no evidence that Versus is coming to the 360. So let's see if you're smart enough to figure out what is wrong with this comment.

"I'm going to pick up Versus for the 360"

And while we're at it, let's see if you can identify what's wrong with this non-existent but potential rebuttal.

"I'm going to pick up Halo 4 for the PS3."

Think you can handle that?
Gwyn-Lord-Of-Cinder  +   594d ago
amen. Thitteen was decent but ..... really its not trilogy good. o yea alomost forgot where the f@#$% versus?
the bastards  +   594d ago
You know i remember the amount of hype and anticipation of the first game, and now people want little to do with it. I wonder if this may happen to FF-XIII VS as well.

It's looking pretty decent in graphics and all from what has been seen. but is really going to have a mind boggling plot, or a story that nobody hasn't heard before?

I mean if SE thinks that FF-XIII was the game that needed to be a trilogy and not VS, doesn't that sound like bad story telling? cause that's what playing out in real life.
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matgrowcott  +   594d ago
People also wanted little to do with X when that first came out and now those same people are annoyed we still dom't know anything about the HD version.

I'm guessing XV will come out and the biggest FF fans will stop believing their own posts on the internet and start seeing that the XIII trilogy wasn't all bad (although they'll mourn the series because Of the abomination that was XV.)

And the cycle will continue.
MRMagoo123  +   594d ago
@matgrowcott

I actually wanted a sequal to 10 and i loved part one and two but ff13 was shit the second part was shit i dont want a third, i would rather they made a remake of 7,8 or 9 than waste time on another 13.
matgrowcott  +   594d ago
@MRMagoo123

At the time of release, all I remember is people saying things like "that stupid f***ing laugh/whistle scene," "bad voice acting," "linear level design," "crap blitzball."

"All this game is good for is its graphics."

All of a sudden that "majority" went silent and people like you, who loved every second of it, started become more and more common (or at least more vocal) and things seem to have turned around. I fully expect the same thing to happen with XIII at some point. It was never a bad game and I still say XIII-2 fixed almost every issue I had with the original (the same can't be said for X-2).

Oh, everybody hated VIII after VII as well.

People have short memories, I think, and Square Enix knows that better than anybody.
DragonKnight  +   594d ago
@matgrowcott: I don't know who you were talking with, but I never saw any of that except from trolls. FFX is a very loved game and people wanted FFX-2 to be a prequel, not a sequel, but we wanted it. As for FFVIII, that debate has never calmed. The FFVII fanboys are just made that it isn't a direct sequel to FFVII and they can't comprehend the complexity of the game. The FFVIII fanboys don't see what makes FFVII the best FF game around. That goes on every single day.

No one is going to have the same feelings for FF13. The majority hate it. And with SE constantly forcing this garbage on us, they are just making people hate it all the more.
Noctis Aftermath  +   594d ago
I loved FFX on the ps2, didn't even bother with x-2 as i didnt give a shit about yuna being the MC or lame fanservice.

No final fantasy game gets 100% fan love, 6/7/8/9 all have huge amounts of fans, but also have some people who disliked them.
To assume everyone who is begging for FFX-HD info was a FFX hater is straight up stupid, majority are either fans or dont care, the haters are the minority.
matgrowcott  +   593d ago
@DragonKnight

"Except from trolls?" Any how exactly do you describe the people disagreeing with and insulting those who have admitted to enjoying Final Fantasy XIII in this comment section? And in the comment section of every article on XIII since about a month after release?

Your argument seems to be "the people who dislike the games I like are the minority and the people who agree with me on XIII are the majority." Which is nonsense. X was panned by "fans" just like XIII, after critics had given it top marks as well. If you didn't see it, you weren't looking. It was EVERYWHERE.

All we can say is this: Square Enix has exact sales figures, they have data on how many people have played each game (so they'll be able to guess at pre-owned purchasers), how long they've played and which achievements have been earned amongst millions of people - not just their friends on N4G. And yet they've made two sequels. Does that sound like the majority hated either game to you?

If it doesn't make sense that Square Enix are making another sequel despite nobody actually liking their last two games, it's because it DOESN'T make sense. And the only thing that can be wrong in that sentence is the assumption that the "majority" hated it.
TheLyonKing  +   594d ago
You know they thought we would love 13 and it's probably been in the works since 13! Square are idiots.
AsimLeonheart  +   594d ago
PLEASE NO MORE SE!! For God's sake, have mercy on our poor souls. We only want FFVsXIII and a good main numbered game in the series. Is that too much to ask??? Well we also want an FF7 remake but no use asking for that since you are stubborn as a mule on that issue.
Ranma1  +   594d ago
...i think i know why

...13 has always been seen as an unlucky number...
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360ICE  +   594d ago
Totally agree, but you know it's kinda like crack. You might not like it in the end, but you still need it. Now that I've bought both XIII and XIII-2 I feel like I need to see it through to the end. So I'm gonna buy XIII-3 and then I'm going to shoot myself.
Da One  +   594d ago
You have no idea what the **** crack is like.
360ICE  +   594d ago
@da one
Just... Facepalm. Just unbelievable...
ILive  +   594d ago
Honestly, I think the 13 saga is really not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Sure, 13 took sometime for the gameplay to get going. But once it opens up, it really is a fantastic game and so is 13-2. I just don't get most of the complaints sometime, for everything has to go through changes. I definitely can't wait for this new entry and Versus 13. Also, It sounds to me like everyone is just jumping on the complain band wagon and not accepting the game as a stand alone.
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helghast102  +   594d ago
"This is what fans want"

You keep saying that, this is for fans of XIII, and there are obviously enough of them to warrant a third entry in the series.

Keep crying.
RurouniKaze  +   594d ago
This FF-XIII series is a cheesy way to promote the biggest joke of all time , Women's Rights
princejb134  +   594d ago
The way I see it F*ck square
I hope no one buys this game and they lose tons of money
That way they'll have no choice but to release games people would actually buy like ff7 remake or maybe perhaps versus 13
stonecold3  +   595d ago
just released ff vs 13 please no more of the other ff game spin off
MiyagiSPG  +   593d ago
The funny thing is ff vs 13 is a spin off lol and its the game we want most :P
WildStyles  +   595d ago
3 XIII games before Versus. Freaking insane.
no_more_heroes  +   594d ago
Actually, this one just started development at the beginning of August, but yeah. As much as I like XIII-2, I'm in the vast minority. It's only hurting them long term by persisting with the XIII series.

The first impression is everything in this business. If it's not done right the first time, toss it into a black hole and forget about it; move on to something else. You won't change people's opinion about it. At the very least, the time and effort not just on development, but on marketing required to do so would be better spent on a new game (remember, Too Human was supposed to be a trilogy, but we all know how that first game turned out, don't we?).

Square Enix isn't being smart here. Instead of making all these changes to FF itself and tarnishing it like hardcore FF fans say its been, they could've just implemented those ideas into "throwaway" RPG/action games, getting feedback on what worked and what didn't. Then take that feedback and apply the best of it to FF so that it retains its status while still evolving so as to avoid going stale.

Well, that's what I'd do to protect the status of my company's biggest, most important franchise...

Anyway, SE, take your time with this and focus on getting Versus out first. This can wait (hey, I'm still waiting on KH3 to even START proper development so I know a thing or two about patience).
Jazz4108  +   594d ago
I hate to say it but I enjoyed To Human more than final fantasy 13 & 13-2.
CrimsonDream  +   594d ago
It's as though square is trying their absolute best to make up for the deficiencies of FF XIII, by forcing it upon us, wasting their money, time and breath, for something a majority of us have moved on from.
What the hell type of name is that? Just pitiful Square just pitiful.
cfountain  +   595d ago
yeah...im skipping this one. or at least wait for a significant price drop.
WildArmed  +   595d ago
Beginning to feel like FF13 is a 3 disc game now.
After FF13, please insert disc 2 (FF13-2), then after that insert disc 3 (Lightning returns).. it's like good old FF8/9 with their 4 discs lol
ZoyosJD  +   594d ago
The worst part is that they expect people to pay $60 a disk...PLUS DLC.
wishingW3L  +   594d ago
but the first game is like its own game while 2 and 3 are an interconnected mess with a convoluted plot about time-travel that hardly make any sense and have no correlation with the first game beside a forced plot twist at the end for the sake of continuing the story.

And yes, all that it just one sentence.
The Rock Bottom  +   594d ago
You gotta be kidding me! There making a part 3!?
Parappa  +   594d ago
Of course. 13 is a bad luck number and this just proves it. You're basically paying $180+ for the whole FF13 "experience" which isn't worth the price especially when they could've done the whole thing on 1 disc to begin with and ended it. Instead, they want to run the franchise into the grounds with mediocre rehashes instead of giving fans what they actually want.
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LordMe  +   594d ago
... Really?!

I don't know what else to say....
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chikane  +   594d ago
hope Vanille is in it .. if not i'll skip this one could care less about lightening ..
DEATHxTHExKIDx  +   594d ago
WELl im playing it. Really gonna have to see how this plays out cause ur gonna be lighting solo in this game and they says its "her final battle". So what about serah, Noel, Hope, fang etc...Gonna have to w8 for more news cause it sounds interestin enough.
Calabolg  +   594d ago
Don't worry, if things go as it is now, they will make 'saga' for those characters you listed. /s
This is a sad day in the gaming world when a company can't even listen to majority of its fan base.

*Raises The Middle Finger To Toriyama Face*
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Godmars290  +   594d ago
When fewer people who bought FF13-2 buy 13-3, they'll...

oh, who the f*ck am I kidding...
Exactly

Below @KillerPwned LOL!!!!!
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tiffac008  +   594d ago
Not really surprising, you could have seen this coming a mile away

Btw will this be a traditional FF where you get to recruit other members or is this strictly a one hero show like what we got with Dirge Cerberus or FFVII: Crisis Core? (Sorry I was not really following the development of this game)
iMaim  +   594d ago
Are you for real?!
BOOOOOOoo-urns
Da One  +   594d ago
yet....no Type-0....no Versus XIII....

Dear SE,

Please stop doing this, please.
KillerPwned  +   594d ago
This is all I gotta say....

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123456777  +   594d ago | Intelligent
Square Enix's strategy:
1) Hold off on releasing FFVSXIII until next gen by releasing a series of mediocre games that can be made quickly.
2) Announce VSXIII is a multiplatform title.
3) Show footage from the best looking version of VSXIII and say it looks the same on all consoles.
4) Release VSXIII on PS4, Xbox720, Wii U and PC to gain maximum profit.
5) Announce Kingdom Hearts 3 as exclusive to the highest selling console of that time.
6) Hold off on releasing KH3 until later in the gen when more consoles have been sold.
7) Announce KH3 is a multiplatform title.
8) Show footage of the best looking version of KH3 and say it looks the same on all consoles.
9) Release KH3 on PS4, Xbox 720, Wii U and PC to gain maximum profit.
10) Announce Final Fantasy VII remake....
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_-EDMIX-_  +   594d ago
? LMFAO! So make a 6 year old game on another system with less install base? Stupid...just stupid.

PS3/360 has a 120 million install base, making FFXIII muliplat actually costed them a lot more sales then they gained, based on all the limitations of the game due to DVD9.

Having a game on a system means more people can play it i know...but if the game is...lets say "gimped" then clearly its going to suffer from sales. We want the FFXIII Versus that was promised NOT some thing watered down. And believe me, fans will not by a watered down game JUST because it has FF in the title. ie what happened with that linear garbage known as FFXIII. It sold 5.7 million units.....FFX-2 sold about 5.2million units. Think about it buddy. LOL!
Da One  +   594d ago
It's not a stupid idea....well not to SE because they are as stupid you can possibly get.

Thank god they bought Eidos...because that was the only smart move they made
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izumo_lee  +   594d ago
Thanks to a poster at andriasang i guess this is the official logo for the game! WTF!!!

http://i.imgur.com/kmhrP.jp...

As another poster wrote :

"even amano didnt want to have any part in this tomfoolery"

I am scratching my head around all of this & thinking to myself...."WHERE DID IT ALL GO WRONG!!!???"

*Apparently a trailer was shown for the game but in typical Squarenix fashion it was 'behind closed doors'....(sigh)
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Da One  +   594d ago
Where it all went wrong.

2000~2002

Square "We elect Yoichi Wada as Square CEO"
Kamikaze135  +   594d ago
w000t! Glad SE listens to their fans! We most definitely wanted another FFXIII ._.
-Gespenst-  +   594d ago
If you really want SquareEnix to improve you could start by not constantly heralding their doom.

None of you could create music like the score of XIII / XIII-2 and if you thought the music sucked, then, far be it from me to usually say something like this, but I'm afraid you just have no taste. The same can be said for the visual design. I defy any one of you to design anything even close to the caliber achieved in those games.

The problem is that people so wrapped up in the negative stuff, like they have some sort of neurosis. People just love to hate. That and they just jump on the hatewagon so they can earn approval from all their other fellow haters.

I know XIII was out of many people's comfort zone, and you shouldn't be expected to just unconditionally love the game, but it just seems like people don't even try to appreciate the game's finer points, it's just close-mindedness.

I know the game's not without it's flaws, I mean there are things I don't like about it for sure, but no matter what anyone says, it's just not nearly as bad as it's made out to be.

A game company has to strike a balance between what it's fans want and what it wants to make; it's own creative vision, and that necessarily means sacrifices. I just think people need to not be so vitriolic about these kinds of things. They don't really deserve such blistering hatred just for trying to entertain us with a game that clearly required an enormous amount of effort to create. At least have appreciation for that instead of sitting in front of your computer creating nothing.

I'm looking forward to this entry, it sounds like an action rpg of sorts which is kind of the logical direction for the battle system to go if it wants to be the best it can be. I'll be looking forward to the beautiful soundtrack and the incredible visual design, and honestly after playing XIII-2, I'm actually quite looking forward to returning to the world of XIII, as well as where they're going to take the story, and how they're going to expand the mythos. I'm expecting this to be the final XIII game and also the best one.

I'm done.
darkpower  +   594d ago
And you're talking to people on N4G! That's part of the problem.

Good luck trying to get any intelligent conversation here. It's all about jumping on bandwagons and being "fan dumb" here.
-Gespenst-  +   594d ago
I hear ya man. Perhaps I should just find somewhere else to post haha, I feel like I post this same rant like every week. Probably kind of futile.
DragonKnight  +   594d ago
@-Gespenst-: I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. For one, the attitude that "if you can't make anything better you don't have the right to complain" is wrong. We are consumers. It is developers jobs to make something better, not ours. It is our job to tell them if what they made is good or not with our money and our voices. That's it.

Second, no one has ever denied that 13 had some good music and good visual presentation. But a game cannot float on those 2 alone. Games that float on those alone tend to be the most bland and boring experiences you can imagine and 13 is no exception. What you're asking people to do, even though you acknowledge the game has flaws, is to ignore the vast amount of flaws people feel the game has in favour of 2 aspects of game design that are hard to mess up.

Standards exist for a reason. People have come to expect certain things from Final Fantasy because it has built up around excellence. When we receive a game that contains virtually nothing of the series we've known and loved, you're damn right people will be upset. FF13 is to the game series what Spirits Within was to the idea of an FF movie. It was FF in name only. Think about the best FF games. FFIV, FFVI, FFVII (not the best to me), FFX. Those games have many similarities to each other and some differences. But one thing they are not is anything like FF13. And that's the problem with the FF13 trilogy and why so many are "focused on the negative."
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   594d ago
To say people didn't give it a chance is a wrong thing to say imo. People were excited for 13 as it was the first FF on this gen consoles. I was warned that I wasn't going to like 13 and bought it anyway mainly because people said the same about 12 and I actually enjoyed it. I beat 13. I didn't stop half way or 2 hours in, I beat it completely. That's as much as giving a game a chance as it can get.

People didn't give 13-2 a chance though, but here's why; It came out BEFORE Versus. Many saw 13-2 coming out before Versus as a slap in the face therefore they didn't buy 13-2 in a way as to show SE that this isn't the game we want(obviously didn't work as we are getting yet another sequel). Everyone was clamoring for and anticipating Versus. I don't think a 13 sequel even entered gamers' minds... except maybe for when SE said that they cut so much content from 13 that they could make another game, but I still think most didn't expect SE to announce a 13 sequel as a large amount of the fan base disliked 13.

Anyway I actually am giving this game a slight chance now because the battles are happening real time. That's the battle system I thought the original 13 should have had from the start. It would have helped the game more especially since it was extremely linear. That's another thing. This game better not be linear.

***"A game company has to strike a balance between what it's fans want and what it wants to make; it's own creative vision, and that necessarily means sacrifices. I just think people need to not be so vitriolic about these kinds of things. They don't really deserve such blistering hatred just for trying to entertain us with a game that clearly required an enormous amount of effort to create. At least have appreciation for that instead of sitting in front of your computer creating nothing."***

EASY for someone to say that likes the game and like the direction SE is taking the FF series. People don't want to see their favorite franchise turn to ruin in their eyes. It's extremely hard to show appreciation for something you don't like. I know as devs they want to do something new so here's the solution; MAKE A NEW IP. Why change a franchise that millions love?
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-Gespenst-  +   594d ago
You make good points, but let me just say that when I played XIII, I didn't necessarily like the direction they took it in terms of numerous aspects, it seemed to me like there was a lot of room for improvement and that square had perhaps fumbled it a little. Having played all of them so far with the exception of I and II, It's far from being my favourite FF game. But I suppose my problem is that XIII isn't an abysmal game, Square did some things right in it and I think they should be applauded for them, not completely denounced. It's not exactly the encouragment a struggling company needs. My point really is that there are areas of the game that clearly deserve appreciation and I feel like a lot of people don't even give them a chance.

Maybe the music is an acquired taste, or requires a lot of involvement in music, but when I hear people saying it sucked, that literally says to me that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. I feel like people just bring their prejudices towards the game to bear on their understanding of the music, like they don't even give it a chance. The same applies to the overall visual design; the monsters, the locales, the characters, the weapons etc. These are things that deserve a tremendous amount of applause. Not to encourage Square to focus on these aspects, but just to be civil and not to completely intimidate them. I just don't want Square to lose heart is all, they've fumbled a bit yes, but they still have tremendous potential that deserves to be recognised, and I really feel they're moving more in the right direction now after the setback with XIII and XIV.

Maybe no one asked for XIII-2, but it's still a marked improvement over XIII. I think Square just wanted to try and prove to us that they had our interests at heart. XIII-2 was a balance of response to fans and a pursuing of their own vision and I think Square just needed to show they still had those interests asap. I think if they'd gone on to make the next FF title straight after XIII and without tending to XIV's failure, people wouldn't have had any faith in it. I basically think Square are trying to pick up the pieces and that this should be encouraged if we want them to return to the quality they used to be known for.
Aghashie  +   594d ago
I just felt the compulsion to tell u that I disagree on u. not a common behavior on me...

just think that u must be new to final fantasy making such bold statement. soundtrack in 13 is good, but not great not on par w others FF games. even Dissidia have a better soundtrack, and that is a psp game.

character design u say? wonder if u have played other than FF13... bah!
mechlord  +   594d ago
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None of you could create music like the score of XIII / XIII-2 and if you thought the music sucked, then, far be it from me to usually say something like this, but I'm afraid you just have no taste. The same can be said for the visual design. I defy any one of you to design anything even close to the caliber achieved in those games.

The problem is that people so wrapped up in the negative stuff, like they have some sort of neurosis. People just love to hate. That and they just jump on the hatewagon so they can earn approval from all their other fellow haters.
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so youre saying that if i cant make better i cant complain? youre as dumb as a door if thats what youre saying man. My dollar is my weapon and i have every right to hate on something that i dont find worthy of it.

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I know XIII was out of many people's comfort zone, and you shouldn't be expected to just unconditionally love the game, but it just seems like people don't even try to appreciate the game's finer points, it's just close-mindedness.

I know the game's not without it's flaws, I mean there are things I don't like about it for sure, but no matter what anyone says, it's just not nearly as bad as it's made out to be.
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I challenge you to present two 'finer points' bro...because i dont think it has any. And dont use graphics as one.

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A game company has to strike a balance between what it's fans want and what it wants to make; it's own creative vision, and that necessarily means sacrifices. I just think people need to not be so vitriolic about these kinds of things. They don't really deserve such blistering hatred just for trying to entertain us with a game that clearly required an enormous amount of effort to create. At least have appreciation for that instead of sitting in front of your computer creating nothing.
"

I sit in front of my computer creating the dollars i use to buy their game, they should sit in front of the computer creating something PEOPLE ARE KNOWN TO WANT; and here is the main problem: there is a kinda-set formula for a ff game and thats all people want;
If youre selling something i dont have to like, buy or show some consideration just because you worked hard on it; its your job to make something ppl will want to but in the first place.

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I'm looking forward to this entry, it sounds like an action rpg of sorts which is kind of the logical direction for the battle system to go if it wants to be the best it can be. I'll be looking forward to the beautiful soundtrack and the incredible visual design, and honestly after playing XIII-2, I'm actually quite looking forward to returning to the world of XIII, as well as where they're going to take the story, and how they're going to expand the mythos. I'm expecting this to be the final XIII game and also the best one.
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Good for you bro, really. its nice to see some people still look forward to being milked. I just you played ff games in squaresoft days
-Gespenst-  +   594d ago
But don't you understand that they can't just make the same thing over and over just because people like it? There's no satisfaction in that for them. Like I said we don't have to unconditionally love everything they put out, but we should appreciate that they want to try other things too, and we should also appreciate the effort that goes into that, and the difficulty of balancing personal vision with consumer demand.

Fyi, I've played every FF from III all the way up to XIII-2 and no, XIII and XIII-2 are not my favourites, far from it. But I just feel like people exaggerate their hatred for those games, choose to ignore the good aspects, or even just lack the faculties to even appreciate them.

Why can't I praise the graphics and the visual design? All that creative effort is completely meaningless? All the imagination that went into the design doesn't matter? Sounds to me like you're ignoring a good aspect, refusing to appreciate the work that went into it. Sounds like you either don't possess the faculties to appreciate it or you're just being a spoiled brat.
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AdmiralSnake  +   594d ago
I agree with you, I'm in the minority on the internet when it comes to anything related to FF13.

However these trolls will never cease to exist, they even go on the youtube videos talking crap, FF13- FF13-2 has some amazing soundtrack music, simply beautiful.

However you got the trolls who would go on there just to bash it constantly.
Relientk77  +   594d ago
I just wanna see Final Fantasy Versus XIII and hopefully they do way better with XV also
TheMasterShake  +   594d ago
@-Gespenst- so let me get this straight it was sqaures vision to release a gimped version of FFXIII, release two unwanted FXIII sequels, screw consumer out of the ending to FFXII-2 and continually push back versus XIII? yeah..... some vision.
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TemplarDante  +   594d ago
What the hell..
SE. Your old fanbase is not as dumb as your new one. We wont buy this crap. I promise. You're burning the franchise. Just stop already!
dragonyght  +   594d ago
Who can blame for wanting to make money every game with ff name on it sale like pancakes. And with recycling asset from previous development cut down on time and money cost. Make huge profit margin. We have Activion and ubisoft to thank for this
Flavor  +   594d ago
They wouldn't do it if it didn't make a profit. Without money, it is hard to make games.
fatstarr  +   594d ago
fake ass majoras mask.
square is out of the loop

the only thing 13 that we want is VS
TemplarDante  +   594d ago
Their using the likes of FF Versus like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey, to sell us all the other crap.
matgrowcott  +   594d ago
How can you read any of these comments and come to that conclusion? The reaction has been almost exactly the opposite of what it would need to be for this to be true.

If anything they're making this game for the people who loved XIII and XIII-2, a pretty sizeable group when you get off the Internet for a couple of minutes. No more, no less. If vs XIII is being delayed again and again its down to mismanagement and over-ambitious ideas. Again, reading more into it than that just isn't a good idea.
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MrAnderson  +   594d ago
That's it Square, make TWO sequels to one of the worst RPG's i've ever played, and easily the worst Final Fantasy i've ever played.

f***ing idiots.
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arbitor365  +   594d ago
Square, you are pissing me off. not because you are making pointless sequels to a game nobody cares about, but because you AREN'T MAKING ENOUGH of them. we need a new FF13 game every month, so that a year from now, we can have "final fantasy 13-13." make if happen, square. if anyone can do it, its you. f*** final fantasy verses, FF15, kingdom hearts 3, or a FF7 remake. who wants that crap? you clearly have your finger on the pulse of your fanbase. thank you so much.

/sarcasm
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