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Submitted by Gekko 595d ago | opinion piece

Vita's PSOne support is a Classic blunder

JC Fletcher:

The PlayStation Vita officially supports PSOne Classics games now. But not all of them, at least not officially. As of today, you'll be able to get .... thirteen of them from the PlayStation Store directly through the Vita. You can get many that aren't on the store, if you have previously bought them on PS3 or PSP, by checking your account's download history and downloading from there.

But that doesn't work for every game – many PSOne games are not available for download onto Vita through your history. Many of those can be copied to Vita from PS3 ... if you happen to have them sitting on your PS3 without installing them. And that doesn't cover all games either. (PS Vita, Psone Classics)

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ddurand1  +   595d ago
This is all great, but I want vita games on my vita.

If I wanted to play my PS1 games, id play my PS1.
Ben_Grimm  +   595d ago
This is what a lot of people said when the PS3 dropped PS2 BC. A lot of folks said "who cares we want PS3 games for our PS3's".
But there are obvious folks that love the older games and would love to have them on current systems and especially on the go.
Oh_Yeah  +   595d ago
ps1 is on the go, has been on the go, with smart phones.
SilentNegotiator  +   595d ago
Except ps2 is solid hardware and has very few titles for download on PSN. Ps1 classics on the other hand, has lots of titles and doesn't have its own hardware (as a PSN download, I mean).

If you purchased ps2 games, you had a ps2 or a BC ps3. Complaining that ps2 support was dropped was sort of petty when you can still get an old BC ps3 or a ps2 on the real cheap. It's not like you could stick downloaded ps1 games onto your ps1.....unless we're talking about ripping an- no, no semantics, never mind.
blitz0623  +   595d ago
The thing is, this wouldn't be such a big deal if Sony didn't promise anything in the first place. Had they said the Vita wouldn't support PS1 games or not said anything at all, there wouldn't be a lot of expectations, but they did, and it took this long for it to work - and not even all PS1 classics work.
avengers1978  +   595d ago
@Ben_Grimm
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!
Blastoise  +   595d ago
@Ockbar

Pretty sure you could play PS1 games on the PSP, forget smart phones
StraightPath  +   595d ago
My PSP can play ALL PS1 games officially and unofficial via CFW. Sony just failed on somthing that shud have been a feature from the start.
Ult iMate  +   595d ago
PSV has slightly better controls and much better screen quality.
tehpees3  +   595d ago
A lot of people were actually looking forward to PS1 compatibility though. I think its more SCEA that screwed up than everybody else.
LarsoVanguard  +   595d ago
I realise that you are a child, but you must learn that things will not always be handed to you. Sony is a company that needs to profit to stay in business. I'm sure your limited experience must outweigh that of a collective group of thousands, though.
Neckbear  +   595d ago
@LarsoVanguard

And I realize you are far worse than a child; you're barely a sentinent being whose only purpose in life is blabber irrationalities and decry idiocy at every possible step to please his godly overlords he owes nothing to.

Let me just say this: things better get "handed" to me if the company in question, which obviously wants to make money, desires my support. After all, it's something I'm paying for, currency reflection of my effort and work, as well as time. For a company to profit they need to provide attractive products I would like to spend my money into, and currently, Sony can't even do that right.

Also, I'm quite sure it's not only him that desires this particular feature, after all, why would it be getting added in the first place, if not because it'd lure a significant number of customers?

It baffles me that people try to say things such as "stop being entitled!" or "stop complaining!" about people, well, complaining about products they bought. What is wrong with you?
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monkey nuts  +   595d ago
Classic trolling. Its like fishing, only with bitches instead of fish. High 5!!!
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Tito08  +   595d ago
@ tehpees3 I completely agree with you, cause of all the regional divisions, mostly SCEA seems to be the ones that screw the most, as I can tell when I go every single one of the regional PS stores, the Japanese PS store trumps the U.S. one hands down with a lot more content, they have tons of PS1 games, even some that saw a U.S. release...

I know most of you might disagree, but it's the truth, SCEA are the ones that mostly screwed the games division the most, SCEJ seems to be always ahead of SCEA, even SCEE trumps SCEA....

But I disagree with the article cause I'm not, since his purpose for the article is to simply complain & get hits & views.... I think journalists are doing that, especially in the case of PS fans, to get easy hits... A lot of those articles are pointless....
Trenta27  +   595d ago
Exactly. There are a bunch of other things PS1 games can already be on. So much focus on the PS1 seems like its taking away from the new Vita games. The lineup for the rest of the year sound awesome, though. I hope they are worth the wait.
CalvinKlein  +   595d ago
"So much focus on the PS1 seems like its taking away from the new Vita games."

I think you mean game, as in madden. THe release schedule looks sparse and if they are gonna have PS1 game support they should't do it half assed.
spacedelete  +   595d ago
who in their right minds would play an actual PS1 ? you can play PS1 games on a PS3 with wireless controller so the best PS1 experience is on a PS3. no one likes keeping old hardware laying around.
DarkHeroZX  +   595d ago
Its not a blunder, actually it works great. There are really wayy more games that work on the vita that we aren't being told, in order to get the ps1 games to run you need to download the game from your ps3 only. DO NOT INSTALL THE GAME TO THE PS3, then connect the vita to the ps3 and launch content manager. Select the uninstalled game and download it to the vita and it will work. I got crash and chrono trigger both working on my vita earlier today. Also for any current PS1 games you already own you'll have to uninstall them and re-download them again.
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avengers1978  +   595d ago
I'm almost positive that further updates will continue to make the Vita better, and probably bring more and more PS1 classics to vita, and more PSP games and PS2 games... The thing is it's a nice option. I for one want Vita games, PSP games, PS1 games, PS2 games, and possible through a cloud service even PS3 games on my vita is that really to much to ask
insomnium2  +   595d ago
I want my FF7 and FF8 on the go in addition to Vita games thank you.
Ben_Grimm  +   595d ago
They need a collection pack in my opinion for the Vita!

Insomnium2 you're back, how was your ban?
insomnium2  +   594d ago
I already told you it's ignorant to come here as a noob and talk down on people who were here years before you. Nothing can change what happened here and as long as people try to deny these things I keep pointing them out. You think I care about some restrictions?

I also told you "Looking forward to you stalking me." so you won't get a single "cool"-point for adressing me so casually. You had your chance. It was impossible for you to come out as a winner so you started calling me an idiot. You can shout all you want but it won't change facts.
Ben_Grimm  +   594d ago
LOL so I was right!

Stalk? No son, you're my child and when children talk out of turn or try and discuss things they have no idea about with grown folks then I have to correct you and put you back in your place.

You were an idiot because i asked you to provide the link on this "fact" issue you told me it was so easy to find. But you couln't because like always you talk straight from your behind, so in an attempt to make yourself sleep better you blocked me.
Kran  +   594d ago
You forget the world doesn't just revolve around you yknow.

There are people in the world who want something to play whilst on trips, car journeys, or made to feel comfortable to play a (small game in a way) on a small device.

And I'd like to know how you can play your PSOne downloads on the PSOne too considering thats what this support is all about.
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ddurand1  +   594d ago
i own a PSone.

i want games to play too, i own a vita.

I just want VITA games.
triplev16  +   595d ago
So it could've been done differently. A blunder is a bit excessive.

In my experience when the update came up I was excited and started re-downloading PSOne titles on my PS3 initially and just moved them over to my Vita. All the games worked fine. Not one negative thought entered my head because I was excited to finally be able to play my PSOne games on the Vita, on the go. Yes there could've been more PSOne titles shown on PSN, but all-in-all I'm happy with the update. The more features the better, no need to complain about free stuff.
darkride66  +   595d ago
I agree. It's ridiculous how something as cool as allowing hundreds of classic videogames to be accessible on your new hardware is being somehow spun as a negative. To me it just smacks of writers desperate for some negative press to try to lure in readers. We all know, "Hundreds of PSOne games now available on Vita. Vita users rejoice!" doesn't have the same ring as "Sony blunders PSOne on Vita! Gamers riot!"

Game journalism is in a sad state, but hey - they've gotta remind us at every opportunity that the Vita is doomed, don't they? Here's just another reason why it's doomed. Sure you're playing awesome PSOne classics on your doomed PS Vita, but are you really and is it harmful to your children? News at 10!
Blankman85  +   595d ago
Except it isn't hundreds. . .its nine. Just sayin'. Hundreds >>>> nine.
Rainstorm81  +   595d ago
@ndivhu

Except its not Nine its 100......I have more than Nine PSone games on my Vita now....Its only nine on the Vita's PSone store...

But that's game journalism for you keep the uninformed.....UNINFORMED
Snookies12  +   595d ago
@Ndivhu - I've got more than 9 on my Vita right now... So long as you have a PS3, you can just transfer them over from that, it's not that hard really.
rpd123  +   595d ago
Not every Vita owner has a PS3, though, rendering this update fairly useless by only adding 9 games.
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triplev16  +   595d ago
Agreed, they need to add more games to the actual store for those that don't own a PS3.
Everlastingfate  +   595d ago
That's my situation.
GenericNameHere  +   595d ago
Only 9 games is a bit of a disappointment, but by no means is the update useless because of it. There's a few good games already available. Tomb Taider, Arc The Lad, Twisted Metal, and FFVII for example. That'd be like calling October 30th useless because while Assassins Creed III comes out that day and gets good reviews, only ACIII came out, and not 100 games (which may or may not even be decent)
Aceman18  +   595d ago
yea i did the exact same thing and it took less than 30 minutes to re-download, and copy them over to my vita 12-15 games in total. when i feel like it i'll just purchase some more games and move those over too.

whining a$$ gaming media/gamers worst gaming gen ever.
-NosTalgia-  +   595d ago
EXCUSES
I really hope people would stop making excuses, really common damn sense would tell anybody that it is WRONG to have to go through a PS3 or PS3's Store just to get a wider selection of PS1 classics. Sony(SCEA) has had plenty of time to get this right and they did indeed botch it but it doesn't surprise me given the pathetic sorry state of the PS Vita Store as is, there's more movies to choose from than games. I laughed when I saw only 9 PS1 games on Vita's store after all the anticipation now imagine the anger of someone without a PS3.

Edit: I know PS1 games are not the blood of the Vita's veins but you have to put the whole package together, if im a non Vita owner I would love to see:

1.PSN GAMES(JOURNEY,FLOWER,FAT PRINCESS etc. these games are exclusive so Sony should have no problem adding them to PS Vita's store.

2.FULL ASCESS TO ALL PS1,PS2,PSP,MINI titles currently on PSN's store.

3.REMOTE PLAY FOR EXCLUSIVE PS3 GAMES with 3rd party games being sprinkled in little by little.

Now imagine all this on PS Vita's store. Oh it's all possible but the inept suit's and ties at Sony think otherwise. You WOW US with the SPECS now it's time to deliver the goods that put these great SPECS to use!
GOOD DAY, AND GOOD NIGHT
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astrobrights  +   595d ago
Sony has been screwing up with the Vita from the beginning.
MasterCornholio  +   595d ago
Meh since I live in Europe I get a huge selection of PlayStation classics. Im pretty sure that Sony will expand the list for the US soon. What's really amazing is that the Japanese have a huge selection of over 600 PlayStation one games in the store

Anyways I can't believe that you think cross buy and PlayStation plus are screw ups for the Vita but everyone has the right to an opinion.

XperiaRay
Knushwood Butt  +   595d ago
Yeah, I'm more than happy. In Japan you can just access the PS1 classics from the PS Store on the Vita, and grab them from there.

Only minor gripe is that it's not so clear which ones you have already purchased without drilling right down to the details of the game itself.
Freakazoid2012  +   595d ago
Coming from you that doesnt say much. You think Wii U games are 99.99 because some sites use a place holder until official prices are announced. When you don't have a firm grasp on even the simple things it makes understanding the more complex things almost impossible.

Vita is doing good for the market it is in. Has tons of games coming,lots of support, and sales will pick up as Sony ads more value to the bundle
thebudgetgamer  +   595d ago
Sony does thing, people get angry. Surprising.
ronin4life  +   595d ago
Sony half asses what it does and people get angry.

That's the thing.
BuffMordecai  +   595d ago
Half asses? Thats hilarious. The last time I checked sony is the only company that routinely delivers plenty of exclusives and original games, and generally tries to please its fanbase. If anybody half asses anything its Microsoft, their first party support is beyond pathetic, its like they intentionally shit on their fans because they know they will eat it up. Then there is Nintendo who pulled the blunder of the century and made online access to games on the 3ds available only through friend codes. I'm not saying that sony is without problems, but to say it half asses things when compared to the screw ups of its competitors is truely laughable.
ronin4life  +   595d ago
Yeah, blunder of the century making their online slightly inconvenient. I suppose having to input a few numbers instead of letters is far worse than having to pay for proprietary memory cards in order to play the few games the vita has, or the few games the psp already can that the vita has taken months to start getting. Not to mention the lack of true bc...

I was saying it half assed THIS. They have half assed a lot of things, but not everything of course. And when people complain, the majority of the time it is because they have half assed something. From the psn hack to the pspGO to the above mentioned they have screwed up a LOT.

Furthermore, I never compared them to anyone in my previous comment, and was remarking on why people are "complaining" here. How a completely unrelated and unmentioned topic based on an assumption on your part could be laughable of me is confounding.
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ziggurcat  +   595d ago
this really isn't any different than when they introduced PSP backwards compatibility. not all titles were available then, either.

people just don't seem to have any patience these days, and they clearly don't seem to understand that there may be other factors preventing all titles from being supported right away.
Luke_fon_Fabre  +   595d ago
I'm just pissed because I don't have a PS3.
CloudyAero  +   595d ago
Exactly! Neither do I!
tachy0n  +   595d ago
me too, i dont have a PS3 either, i dont spent that much time at home to play, thats why i got my Vita.
TheTwelve  +   595d ago
A classic example of anybody's ability to complain about anything.
2pacalypsenow  +   595d ago
MY PE 2 is glitching it, when im in combat she keeps shooting
miyamoto  +   595d ago
Does the Wii have this backwards compatibility issues?
chrisarsenalsavart  +   595d ago
You re all bunch of moaners.
Never ever happy.
Do you all ever complain when nintendo only gave few nes or gameboy games at a time on the E-shop?
No
But sony doing the same and suddenly hundred of articles appear online and calling SONY a joke.
WTF
smashcrashbash  +   595d ago
Yeah everything Sony does is considered a blunder. Nintendo starts off rationing out NES and Gameboy games like they were gold and that was fine and dandy. No one shouted 'Well why didn't you have all of them there at the beginning stupid Nintendo? Why is it so hard to put those games on an advanced piece of hardware? How can you be so irresponsible and unprofessional and screw us over like that?' Nope. And anyone that did say that, Nintendo completely ignored them and did it anyway like they always do. Sony personally said they were working to increase the number of PS1 games and we will be getting more as we go along but when they do it, it is a travesty and an insult to gamers.We MUST have EVERYTHING NOW or else.
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ronin4life  +   595d ago
I don't remember NES and GBC games being on the DSiware shop. I also don't remember people praising Nintendo's online ventures at every turn as people have done with Sony.

The thing is, the PSP is a technically "inferior" console from Sony and CAN play all of these games. Why can't it's successor? The DSi never had any of these features, so nothing is lost.

And then there is the fact that Sony is a multimedia company renowned for it's online features by many, yet they can't even get their newest console to do things its predecessor has been doing for years? Nintendo, a games only company less capable and knowledgeable of networking and the like is less likely to be able to do so well, as we all can plainly see with their slow advancement and at most times comparatively lagging service.(They will improve, though it will take time and assistance from networking companies, something Sony and Microsoft have in house already)

And lastly, Nintendo has been getting railed for its shoddy networking for the last whole gen, sometimes unnecessarily. Where have you been?
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raWfodog  +   595d ago
@smashcrashbash

Unfortunately, our American society has become a slave to instant gratification and the must-have-now mentality. As you pointed out, this 'issue' will more than likely be remedied in the near future but everyone still wants to get riled up over not being able to play decade-old games on their shiny new handhelds.

The 'blunder' on Sony's part is trying to offer a bunch of ungrateful people more options than what they have every been given with any other gaming system, and expecting them to be satisfied.
Slysi  +   595d ago
I don't care about ps1 games, I played them in 1995. Times have moved on and so have I. Give me more vita games,that's what I brought it for
DivineAssault  +   595d ago
vita games are incoming & theres alot of good ones too.. PS1 support just adds to it so dont play em if u dont want to.. having ps1,psp,psn, & psv all in one place is nice to me.. i enjoy it & am playing FF7 again
Fullmetalevolust  +   595d ago
Does anyone know what games are compatible so far in the US?
If there's link to a website that lists of all of them, I'd love to see it. Perhaps, it'd help other vita owners in the US.
123456777  +   595d ago
The more Sony add, the worse the trolls get.
katfish711  +   595d ago
I have my own conspiracy theory on this issue...

I believe the "technical issues" for PS1/PS2 games to run on Vita that people so frequently refer to are, in fact, deliberate license locks put in place by Sony.

Why? Simple... They do not wish to be sued, yet again, for violating the terms of the agreements which Sony originally negotiated with the various developers and publishers for those games. Anybody remember the rumble/force feedback debacle with the Sixaxis which, after serious consumer backlash, finally resulted in the DualShock 3 release???

I am confident that the agreements in place, even for those early games, clearly spelled out the platforms for which the games were to be released. It is entirely possible that Sony's enabling of a game to run on additional platforms could be spun by lawyers from a developer or publisher as "cheating" said developer or publisher out of future revenues. To protect themselves from such a lawsuit, the legal team at Sony is directing the technical team to "lock out" certain games until such time as they can get the needed consent from appropriate devs/publishers.

Why Sony won't just explain this very understandable situation to their customer base is probably rooted mostly in a cultural issue from the top Japanese brass at Sony. Failure to anticipate these issues is likely seen as a failure to adequately serve Sony's customers and to "save face" they simply keep us in the dark.

That's my theory. I need to go now because the stealth helicopters are circling my house again.
ronin4life  +   595d ago
This is indeed possible, and is by no means limited to Sony. All platform holders are no doubt subject to such things.
Of course, we will never know for sure and can only speculate...-_-;;
rainslacker  +   595d ago
You may be correct to a degree, licensing these games and any included content that is also licensed could prevent them from allowing it to be put onto the Vita.

However the fact that you can download them to the PS3 then transfer them over contradicts that theory, so it's really hard to say in this case.

Personally I believe it may have been an oversight on Sony's part and people are just trying to find something to complain about because they're quickly running out of negative fodder to garner hits for their site, which haters will use en masse to just make it harder to find factual information by those that may be looking for it.
Xof  +   595d ago
I'd just like to offer a firm, "go to hell," to all the ass-hats here trying to argue that somehow LESS games is better than MORE games.
Everlastingfate  +   595d ago
It's pretty poor on Sony's part. I have a Vita and I don't own or want a PS3. I prefer 360. So I can only have 9 games from the Classics library. It's Sony being inconsiderate and probably a marketing ploy aimed at getting people like me to buy a PS3.
rpd123  +   595d ago
We're like the same person. I wouldn't mind a PS3, but most of my friends have a 360 and I don't have 300+ dollars to blow at the moment.
Everlastingfate  +   595d ago
It's not an issue of money. It's a matter of what all my friends have. I barely have time to sit and play xbox so it's foolish to get another console that I won't play. I got the vita because I can play on the go or while my girlfriend is watching a lousy movie. I still count it as spending time together since at least I'm on the same couch instead of another room and another tv.
PhoenixRising37  +   595d ago
oh look, another sony sucks article. moving on...
tweet75  +   595d ago
ive got 2 things to say about this. 1. All psone games along with all other downloadable psp games should have been downloadable on psvita on day one. 2. sadly the ablility to play psone games on Vita was the only thing sony got me remotely excited about from sonys e3
kingPoS  +   595d ago
Sony just can't seem to shake it self free of the past. PS1 & PSP compatibility on the vita is great(luv it too), but not at the expense of new vita games. Doesn't anybody want the vita's library to grow least as large as predecessor. Between mini's, ps1, psp and vita games, 32GB may not be enough.
Erudito87  +   595d ago
who the hell cares about ps1 games the biggest blunder has always been the absence of ps2 games for the ps3 screw these "hd remasters" they really don't look that much better
Captain Tuttle  +   595d ago
One could argue that the whole Vita project is a "classic blunder".

Too bad because I think it's amazing tech. It's already relegated to a side show at retailers, their displays just keep getting smaller and more out of the way.
izumo_lee  +   594d ago
Look it is understandable the criticism that Sony is getting over the handling of the PSone games on the Vita. People do have to understand that the Vita is still a relatively new system & putting all the functions for it does not happen over night.

Lets rewind the clock a year ago & what happened with the 3DS. There were many problems with that system as well in its first year : http://www.gameinformer.com...
As the article writes the 3DS also had eshop issues where one gets classic games. It took Nintendo over a year to resolve the problems with the 3DS & that is with the desperate price cut to boost sales. They seem to be doing fine now.

I think that territories like Europe & Japan get the full support from Sony cause the brand is much stronger in those places. Here in North America the popularity of Sony has dwindled considerbly & most just do not care as much for Sony Playstation.

The 'hate-on' & 'doom & gloom' stories are mainly from North American sites & blogs. So no matter how many great games come out for PS, no matter how great a system is for your dollar, no matter what extras are thrown in at the expense of Sony a struggling financially company it seems this gen Sony can do everything wrong & nothing right.

So there are only 9 games up on the PS Vita store....OH MY GOD!!! The world is gonna end!!! Why does every so called Sony fanboy want everything NOW NOW NOW??? I do not get it.
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