David Cage, creator of Quantic Dream’s Heavy Rain, has stressed that Quantic Dream’s next project, Beyond: Two Souls, is all about the choices made by the player and that multiple playthroughs will defeat the meaning and the consequence of the initial overall decision process.
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If you live always caring if people can anonymously troll the internet and disagree with you, you won't get much done.
Many people here at n4g look at the comments section as a conversation. When someone says "I love Heavy Rain", the people that click the disagree button on you aren't saying "no you don't", they're basically saying "Well, personally, I don't". People disagreeing with his comment are basically saying "I didn't beat it that many times".
The fact that you and many others STILL haven't figured this out yet makes me sad for some of you.
disagree is for saying something wrong or bad , no need to disagree for something like that even if it's a conversation , just say your opinion like saying i didn't enjoy heavy rain , it's more like hating me because i like a game , it's not a wrong thing to disagree on it .
the Agree and Disagree thing shouldn't be used all the time .
well , that's how i see it , maybe im wrong .....
Here is an example : imagine yourself in a restaurant , you said to the cooker to make you a cheese burger suddenly he scream at you " i Disagree!!' just because he doesn't like it , you see what i'm saying lol ...
In this case, I wasn't nearly as glued to HR as I was to MGS4 and I only played it once, not 6 times. So, when I read your statement I disagreed. For me, there is no Heavy Rain plat, I only played it once and MGS4 held my attention MUCH greater than Heavy Rain.
I was not saying that you are wrong about your statement as it applies to your life but rather it is simply untrue in mine.
Just goes to show you how "insane" & narcisstic the average person is, if your opinion doesnt agree with them, its viewed as a negative, hence all the "Disagree's", cause someone is different in there approach or taste to playing a VIDEOGAME, lol. gee whiz people.
But yes I generally agree with the idea, this type of game would be 1 & done, at least for a long while, like some stated already...but thats just me, not someone else, NOR is there a RIGHT or WRONG choice here, just different, nothing WRONG with that.
There's no need, that's what the disagree button is for. It's kind of a waste of a comment/time to type that out, rather than simply click on a button.
So instead of getting upset over something so insignificant, which might not even be what you think it is, just think to yourself, "Hmm, not ALL of them might be trolling me, some might just be treating this as a conversation and chiming in their opinion with a click of a button instead of a wasted comment", a comment which, on this site, will direct tons of unwanted and hateful replies towards them.
You ever see those comments in articles that say "well personally, I don't like this game"? Ever tend to notice how the replies go? They NEVER get the "I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion of not liking this game". No, the comments are always more along the lines of "then why the hell are you commenting on this?/why are you here then".
Can you really blame someone for choosing the anonymity and simplicity of choosing to click a button rather than type out comment which is just going to paint a target on them?
It's called a disagree button, not a fuck you button...when people disagree, it means they...disagree.
So don't get butthurt
These games are meant to be experienced once..but some people will replay to see the choices.
Even with one time, they are definately great experiences.
I beat Heavy Rain and thought I'd do it over and over, but just ended up reading about the other choices as it essentially was the same.
It'll be interesting to see if Beyond even gets a release date for 2013. It's more likely going to be pushed into first quarter 2014 as to not compete with a Fall/Holiday release of 'Last of Us'.
Evil
I for one think your reasoning for disagreeing and agreeing is dumb tbh.Im not gonna disagree with someone personal experience because theres nothing to disagree with.A personal experience isnt an opinion as your trying to make it seem.I dont agree with personal experiences either but thats just me , I can understand why some would.I never disagree without leaving an explanation.Hence this response
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I dont think he is saying it has no replay value.But that your decision should be final.But ofcourse us being gamers we will play it over and over.
Just mine? What about the 31 people who agreed with my comment, along with those few who outright stated that they agreed with what I said? Obviously the way I use the disagree button isn't "just mine", it's many other peoples use as well. And no, it's not put on this site what its actually meant for, but you shouldn't assume that every type of comment like that that gets disagrees is simply a troll disagree.
Some people just simply take whatever they read and apply it to themselves, and click agree/disagree accordingly. It would be stupid to assume all or most of disagrees to those types of comments are simply just troll comments, I mean I know there are a lot of trolls out there, but there aren't THAT many.
@b63o1
Lol, yeah, I know it's pretty sad, but I just find it really annoying when people get so butthurt and insecure when someone disagrees with their comment. As x5exotic put it so well, it's a disagree button, not a fuck you button.
I shouldn't have even needed to explain that, most people should already know this stuff.
I like the fact David Cage tries to offer something different but he needs to be careful and not and try and create what was considered an entertainment medium now as art and a one time experience.
BLING!....."I Told You Not To Play This Twice"
okay so you can show me where exactly its written in the rules that thats how the agree/disagree system works right? because that was my point if you missed it.
But you cant because thats NOT how it works.You can make up what ever reason but there is no real reason.So like I said theres nothing to "get",people use it how they will use it because there are no rules regarding how to use it.
Bringing up the amount of agrees you got is completely beyond the point.And the fact that you didnt mention all of the disagrees you got makes mentioning your agrees even that much more pointless.I dont care if people agree with you but its not a fact therefor its not something people should "get" over time like you implied we should.
Where did I mention the only people who disagree are trolls?Did I even mention trolls? Like I said people will have there own reasons to disagree because there is no rules on what its for and therefor a pointless feature in my opinion until they either explain what the function is really for or make you have to reply in order to disagree.
I dont get "butthurt" over a disagree because in my opinion its a pointless feature.The thing that annoys me about the system is how much everyone cares about it.How in every article the pro ps3 comments gets millions of agrees and then someone bring up how sony biased this site is.It shouldnt be like that.Either give it rules or remove it.
Disagree with an opinion all you want ( BF>CoD ), but disagreeing with someone's personal experience ( I loved Heavy Rain ) or a concrete fact ( Fallout 3 sold x copies ) is just stupid, not a "conversation".
okay so you can show me where exactly its written in the rules that thats how the agree/disagree system works right? because that was my point if you missed it."
You must not have expressed yourself clearly enough, because that's not what I got from your comment
"So like I said theres nothing to "get",people use it how they will use it because there are no rules regarding how to use it."
People should "get" both possible reasons for someone disagreeing with them, instead of instantly thinking "troll". They should (if they aren't morons) consider the many different reasons for the disagrees they get, instead of just jumping to the "whoever is disagreeing with me is just a troll".
"Bringing up the amount of agrees you got is completely beyond the point."
The point of me bringing up the amount of agrees I got was to prove to you that I am not the only one who sees the disagree system in that way, so when you said "it's just yours", you are wrong. It's not everyones, but it's not just mine, so techincally, AS I STATED IT (as in SOME people see it that way) it IS a fact.
"Like I said people will have there own reasons to disagree because there is no rules on what its for and therefor a pointless feature in my opinion"
You're right, it is a pointless feature. My whole point in this, everything I've said in my comments so far boils down to "chill the fuck out, not every single disagree you get is meant to fuck with you". That's it. That's the simplest version of what I'm trying to say. If you don't get butthurt over a disagree then good for you, you're not the person I'm speaking to. I'm speaking to the people who, at the first sight of a few disagrees, automatically assume that it's a troll.
@MysticStrummer
I never said "none of them" are troll disagrees, some definitely are, I just think people massively overestimate the amount of troll disagrees they're actually getting. Lets say you state a fact, something like (idk if this is true or not) "PS3 sold 5 million units last year". Now if that comment gets disagrees (provided it's true), then yeah, I'll agree that any disagrees it gets are simply trolls.
But if it's a comment like "I loved Heavy Rain" then people look at that comment differently, and use the disagree button as their way of saying "I don't". There's nothing stupid about it. It's just a way of perceiving a comment on the internet. Whenever you are having a conversation with someone, you take whatever they say and apply it to yourself and form a sentence to tell back to them. That's simply what people do with the disagree button here on n4g, rather than write out a hate inducing waste of time comment.
@Vickers lets equate the agree/disagree button to real life. I say I love Heavy Rain to someone, and you standing next to me chimes in and says, I disagree. However you mean it, its an A$$hole comment. Its you adding in your unwanted 2 cents. In essence even the way you meant it is a form of trolling.
@Dmarc Dilusional comments like that makes you a completely uncredible fanboy. Oh N4G is crawling with Sony fanboys, but when you criticise Sony you get a million disagrees. I've seen quite the contrary in the past few weeks. Its a two way street here. Everyone points the finger at everyone else. Quit trollin, N4G sux like it always has.
If this is really the case and u really want everyone to enjoy the story, do not release trophies or guides until 1-2 weeks after it releases. Yeah, it may effect initial sales but it will still sell the same. But, it will allow people to enjoy it the way it's supposed to. I know this because when I saw the trophies for heavy rain, I knew I couldn't just play it, I had to play it a very particular way.
I shall buy it, and play it many times
Otherwise as you say, it cheapens the experience!
Typical N4G readers.Glance at the headline and make stupid assumptions.Such braindead idiots.
Gold Trophy: Unlock all endings
Then they should allow players to win all trophies with one playthrough... otherwise there are players that are going to replay it to have all trophies.
In a game where your choices have consequences people will most likely play it multiple times just to see how different it could be with different choices
That goes against every reason why I game to play it only once.
That is why I will spend 60 dollars for one title. Content that is worth it, that lasts for a long time.
doubt many kids will get the reference tho lol..
bubbles up!
ELLEN FU*KEN PAGE :) Can't wait!!!
Not that you aren't wrong. Or that Cage's comment, one that he's only repeated since switching careers from movie making, shows a fundamental flaw in his approach in making a game. One he's expecting people to pay $60 for.
At least for the trophy hunters... Otherwise if someone just wants to thoroughly play the game they will...
=P
So no, his games are not just a series of QTEs because many of the things you think are QTE are not. In his games, what is significant is story and character development, so the fact that there are adventure elements to his games means that it is definitely not just a series of QTEs. As someone who's played his games, you should know better.
epic and you will be dumb to not play such a great great game...
ps.. note stop hating enjoy the game you know is a unique experience, appreciate it
You can absolutely play through it again. His idea is that this is a life you are experiencing. In life, you only get one play through. It impacts you MUCH MORE this way.
I mean I usually play the game immediately after I finished it. Because it's the second time when you pay attention to details.
sadly i dont have such device to do that on an hdtv, would love to do that for other games so i can just watch it and not press a button lol
You know what? Forget this crap. If you people want to be elitists, I'll let you. I'm so tired of you not reading articles and disregarding any ounce of sense a developer makes.
1. i have the ability to platinum in one playthrough
or,
2. no trophies at all.
Have to look further than that if you can.
...It happens every single day.
I understand where he's coming from, but I remember my multiple playthroughs of Heavy Rain, and I still consider the first ending I got my "real" one. (I can still tell you EXACTLY what happened) With games like that I kinda consider my later playthroughs "what if" stories.
Speaking of which, i'm hoping there aren't "good" and "bad" endings in this one. PLEASE take a cue from the Witcher franchise. I know you SAY there aren't "right" choices in Heavy Rain, but one ending has Ethan in a fancy new apartment with his son and hot, new girlfriend, three others end with suicide. I think there were "right" choices along the line.
This game is supposed to last at least twelve.
Do the math.
At least TRY to do the math.
:Note:
I'm super stoked for this game, I'm just not a fan of spending $60 on something that he doesn't even think has replay value.
He thinks you should live with your decisions and leave it at that.
lol
Would be nice if he tried something new in this regard and doesn't let them pop up on the screen. Cause they are really breaking the immersion IMO.
I have on my first playthrough ever since I played Enslaved.