PSLS: "This holiday season brings with it the launch of Nintendo’s new tablet-centric console, the Wii U. The system’s innovative controller aims to once again revolutionize the way we play games, much like how motion control changed industry when the Wii was first released. While Nintendo’s new console likely won’t see the same explosive launch its predecessor received several years ago, there’s no denying the fact that the Wii U GamePad opens up a range of possibilities for new gaming experiences not currently seen on other consoles."
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How did the PS Eye stack up against the Kinect?
The WiiMotion+
The Tablet
and the Xbox-like Controller
I think the Wii is banking on the use of multiple controllers. Also think if Sony supports the games with Cross Buy and Cross Play interaction like Sly 4 does for example..they will show the Vita is a perfect companion for PS3 and PS4. It is about support and Sony has learned that support is a large part of it. It's two items and they wont ever be 100% since they aren't the controller and the system like Wii U, but in time the Vita will work just the way it should.
BTW Vita Controller support for PS3 is coming in a few days with v1.8 so um...we are already getting it friends.
'Imagine a $400 Super Slim / vita combo. '
Imagine how much it wouldn't sell.
The Move is better than the Wiimote, without a doubt.
The PS Eye alone can't match Kinect. But the PS Eye + Move combo are better than Kinect, at least when it comes to gameplay.
Unless we're just talking about sales here.
It's pointless to compare Vita to Wii U. The Vita is a full on portable gaming console, not just a controller.
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Cross Buy and Cross Play are a smart move by Sony.
But the PS Eye + Move combo are better than "Kinect, at least when it comes to gameplay."
That is not entirely true as the excellent voice control in Kinect makes certain games pure bliss, such as ME3. There are also great games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports while PS Eye + Move has no real games worth speaking of. In fact, it has no real use at all at this point!
You must be joking.
Voice command has been around for a while and is possible with other headsets and PS Eye. Can't believe you people ate that up.
Pure bliss? seriously lol
""Move has no real games worth speaking of""
How is that relevant to GAMEPLAY? Kinect overcomplicates simple tasks and restricts freedom of actions. Kinect games have to be oversimplified because more complex tasks that require an actual controller would be impossible.
""Great games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports""
Ha, my point exactly.
That's as far as Kinect goes. Not to mention there are equivalent games for Move among many other games: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Move can be implemented effectively in core games. That's the point.
The same will happen with the Vita/PS3 combination. VERY few first party games will take advantage of linking the two together. The awesome features that the vita promised at launch will fall through the cracks and only burn the fans that bought the systems for those reasons.
I am a huge Sony fan but this is just the sad truth.
Kinect blows the PS Eye out of the water. But they were also released years apart.
The PS3/Vita Wii U situation is a little different. The Wii U isn't even out yet, and the PS3 has this massive install base already. All PS3 owners need to do is purchase a Vita and they have a Wii U like experience. Whereas they'd have to buy the Wii U (likely much more expensive) to get similar features that what are already available on the PS3.
We'll see, though. Sony has been known to fuck up great plays before. And turning the PS3/Vita combo into a Wii U like experience could be a perfect play for them. They just need developers on board.
I can see it working well. It may even keep the Wii U from standing out since the PS3/Vita will be able to do it too. It all depends on if third-party Wii U games are designed for the PS3/Vita this way. A few PSN games aren't going to cut it. They need more support than what they've done with the Move.
"The Move is so much better than the Wiimote, but there is hardly any software for it."
That really is the key, support. Move doesn't have it and likely never will this generation. If it were in every system like the Wiimote that would be different but it was marketed poorly, supported poorly and came out too late.
"Kinect blows the PS Eye out of the water. But they were also released years apart."
One's a 3D camera while the other is a 2D camera. Kinect is also still very limited due to it's lag reaction time and recognition abilities.
"The PS3/Vita Wii U situation is a little different. The Wii U isn't even out yet, and the PS3 has this massive install base already. All PS3 owners need to do is purchase a Vita and they have a Wii U like experience. Whereas they'd have to buy the Wii U (likely much more expensive) to get similar features that what are already available on the PS3. "
You still won't get the same experience because the Playstation 3 does not sync. the same way with Vita as the Wii U gamepad and the Wii U will. You will also see way less support and the same scenario the Move was in.
"We'll see, though. Sony has been known to **** up great plays before. And turning the PS3/Vita combo into a Wii U like experience could be a perfect play for them. They just need developers on board."
As i said earlier, the two systems don't syncronise the same way. It's also not as easy due to two completely different hardwares.
This feature will be very limited and is likely to work much better with the Vita and the Playstation 4 combo.
How did the eyetoy and ps eye stack up with kinect you say? It does everything the kinect does years before the kinect actually came out.
Tempri
Yeah kinda like how you can save your save file from a ps1 (ps3) game to your psp and continue off of it and vise-versa? Im sure it can be the same for Sony's cloud storage. Don't count Sony out just yet. But it just seems everyone is dismissing what the ps3/psp and ps3/psvita can do so when the WiiU comes out people can yell "Sony copies" though Sony did it long before.
Totally agree about the mouse obviously. But the keyboard? hell no.
Left analog stick and east-to-reach pressure sensitive buttons with motion sensors blows the keyboard out of the water.
Getowned just "Got Owned"
by you.
@Tommyboy
Obviously I know a mouse is not a controller XD I was sure everyone would know whay I meant and not try to argue semantics(I was wrong apparenly)
BTW, love the pic, lol Ricky, Trailer Park Boys for LIFE!..I really miss that show!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@Axecution
I do like the left analong stick as well, the main reason to crouch or knife but other than that I could live with out it. I guess Im just really use to the M&KB that it dosn't bother me at all.
-Back to main point-
Weather or not it is a Controller, you do use the mouse and keyboard to controll your games (so really that is a moot and arguable point)as common knowlage (I hope) M&KB will always be more functional and accurate than a gamepad or the playstation move, obviously. Move was a good idea but sony dropped the ball, I did have high hopes for the device but -sigh- just another thing in my house collecting dust.
@ axelstone
That was kind of a lame comment, can't you get more creative ? Call me names or make fun of me or what ever sure, but that was vary lame if your going to try to "call me out" per se, please come up with some thing more original than a play on words, but what ever that was probably the best you could come up with so, cheers!
P.S. TPB's 4 Life
I'm not even going to get into what cross-buy is with you, because you know full well what it is. This is just more of your trolling that, somehow, goes unnoticed in every instance.
I don't think its "that" big of an issue, and would expect at least first parties to figure it out. However PS4 should make it a piece of cake.
For low-bandwidth communication between the PS3 and Vita, there is blueooth which is the same tech that the Dualshock controller uses. Bluetooth I think goes up to about 3 Mbps, and it's pretty low latency.
For higher bandwidth communication, the PS3 and Vita can communicate over a point-to-point wifi network. as long as they are within a reasonable range they can get 54 Mbps, which is enough to stream video. Think about it... you can stream HD movies easily over a 10 Mbps Internet connection. wifi has 500% that bandwidth. The Vita has plenty of processing power, as does the PS3.
With the Vita being a full handheld console it can run it's own game code and do it's own rendering. As far as the PS3 is concerned the Vita is just another controller.
Not everyone who has a PS3, has a Vita as well.
But everyone who buys a Wii U , will have the Wii U tablet controller.
That should be enough for that article to have never been written.
Can't believe people get paid for that.
Now, we can argue all day which is going to be the most successful, but what it actually boils down to is that the Wiiu experience can be had on the Vita/PS3 combo. We can also argue all day about people having to buy both and ignore the fact that 65 million PS3 owners only have to buy the cheaper Vita for that experience.
It's not a competition, it's just an alternative that some people might want.
But it's own unique experience can be had and can still be great.
One isn't better than the other...but considering you get the option standard on one and you have to buy something extra on the other makes a difference.
PS3/ Vita combo owners get their own unique gaming experience....it's def not the same though.
The article is comparing the two systems on a given premise that there is a PS3 console with a PS Vita unit on one hand and a Wii U console with a Gamepad on the other.
Then you go off saying " Not everyone who has a PS3, has a Vita as well."
How will there even be a comparison if the PS3 or Vita is absent?
Use some logic.
Don't try to twist the topic but stay on it.
PS. And those who agreed with you are the bigger
so if people are willing to get a ps3 and vita for this type of gameplay.they should be happy getting the wii u and 3ds probably cheaper then the first two.
and sense every system will have a gamepad they know they will have those type of gameplay experiences from every game they buy.instead a couple games here and there.
but I bet here and there there will be games that use 3ds as a controller option to take the processing pressure off of wii u yinz all seemed to be worried about.plus if 3ds is the controller whatever it is using it for will be in 3d!
maybe with the circle pad pro they can let you stream wii u to 3ds XL to play wii u games in 3d without a 3d TV because the circle pad pro not only adds a second control pad it adds four shoulder buttons its the only portable with that option so it would work well.
hey just throwing ideas out there like yinz do!
Using as a controller
+Wii U streams videos to the controller.
-Vita/PS3 probably can only stream basic screenshots(maps/menu)
+Wii U controller has all the buttons console gamers are used to
-Vita doesn't have L&R/2&3
+WiiU controller has more functions such as gyro controls and other features that affect gameplay
-Vita only seems to have basic controls and a few touch controls
Using as a handheld
+WiiU Could switch seamlessly from tv to controller
-Vita doesn't seem to have that function yet, remote play may be able to change that
-WiiU cannot be taken out the house
+Vita can be played out the house with certain crossplay games.
These two shouldn't be compared with each other, they are made for different things, although the Vita does seem to mimic some of the WiiU's main functions.
The Vita at the moment doesn't seem to be able to control the PS3 remotely and can only work with some games. If it was able to play a movie on PS3 and then using the Vita choose another movie, video clip or playlist to change the current movie then it would be brilliant, seems easy to implement.
Vita is also a handheld gaming console so its main functions should be out of the house. If remote play is fixed and cloud saves with auto sync are available for all games then the Vita would work amazingly well with the PS3
Vita has a back touch panel, there's your L2/R2.
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Edit:
Just saw the video and where does he uses touchscreen for L2/R2?
The PS1 games might be the first look at it we get but, even something like designating the left/right sides to their respective button might be enough.
As for the video, that was more about the capabilities of this.
Judging from concept video only(the one with baseball, or shooting the miis), the video streamed to wiiU controller is important to gameplay and any lag would probably mess up the whole point of a dual screen. Actually imagine sonic on DS taking a few seconds to jump from one screen to another.
Well, all I am saying is that the vita has yet to show real-time (not sure the right word) streaming and anything neccesary at the moment. It probably can do better in the future.
The vita does have back panel for use of the extra buttons, which would be useful for remote play or PS2/PS3 ports, but to use it as a gaming controller when I am playing my pS3, I would rather use the PS3 controller.
Using as a controller
+Wii U streams videos to the controller.
-Vita/PS3 probably can only stream basic screenshots(maps/menu)
You can stream full games which has been proven several times, so game information and an alternative screen for the game would be easy.
+Wii U controller has all the buttons console gamers are used to
-Vita doesn't have L&R/2&3
You tap the back touch for L2/R2. The Wiiu doesn't have that. Nor does it have multitouch, or a camera or the level of gyros that the Vita has
+WiiU controller has more functions such as gyro controls and other features that affect gameplay
-Vita only seems to have basic controls and a few touch controls
You're kidding me right? Vita has more controls than any devise out there.
I guess for some games it will work, but for others it definitely will not work.
It hasn't been confirmed yet but does the gyros control work with the Vita/PS3 combo as well as how the WiiU handle it? like that baseball tech demo?
1) "-Vita/PS3 probably can only stream basic screenshots(maps/menu)"
Wrong. The PS3 can stream HD video to PS Vita & vice versa.
Video Chat while Playing MP3 while Playing a PS Vita Game simultaneously. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
2) "-Vita doesn't have L&R/2&3"
Wrong. The PS Vita has L & R buttons.
3) "+WiiU controller has more functions such as gyro controls and other features that affect gameplay"
Wrong Again. The PS Vita has Sixaxis motion sensing system (three-axis gyroscope, three-axis accelerometer), three-axis electronic compass,
4) "-Vita only seems to have basic controls and a few touch controls"
Very Wrong Again. The PS Vita has front & rear capacitive multi-touch screens capable of 10 touch points at the same time for a total of 20. How is that few?
5) "-WiiU cannot be taken out the house"
Wrong again. You can take the Wii U outside of your house and play outside if you want.
6) " Vita does seem to mimic some of the WiiU's main functions"
Wrong. Sony's Wireless Remote Play technology & concept has been since 2004 or earlier.
7) "The Vita at the moment doesn't seem to be able to control the PS3 remotely and can only work with some games."
Wrong. Vita can control PS3 remotely even if your very far way from your PS3.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
8) "Vita is also a handheld gaming console so its main functions should be out of the house."
Wrong Wrong. The PS Vita can also be used inside of the house too.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
phew!
They've never sold a system at that high of price.
Sony is the only company to break that barrier and look where it got them financially.
They have made it pretty clear ( the interviews are out there ) that it will be between $250-350
See this is what happens when you do a bit of research instead of throwing out random numbers that don't apply to reality at all.
Nintendo will trump them...by having the tablet including with the system.
Also they are giving us a Pro controller and allowing for backwards compatibility with Wii plus remotes and also with MOST Wii games.
Sony needs to get on the backwards compatible train.
That and Nintendo doesn't care about PS3...they already won that battle...they are more worried about the PS4, which could actually be a good competitor and take sales away as long as sony doesn't sell it for $600 again.
a copy of the mona lisa will always be a copy of the mona lisa. wiiu is the real deal!
only a moron would go out and buy a 'controller' that costs over 100gbp just so they can view the map on the vita. sony need to drop the price of ps3, so adding a vita in a bundle would just hike the price up and make it unappealing.
its a rubbish idea and the market wont buy it. but the wiiu comes configured that way as standard and will be affordable.
Combo 2: Is, two stand alone consoles that can act as one for any game(s) that allow this feature. Along with other features such as cross play, cross save, and having to "never stop playing". The handheld counterpart can also act as an actual controller to the more than likely stationary home system, and that the home system and handheld console can also stream information/games in both a limited area/space between the two OR over the internet via wi-fi in a way that turns the home console into a private cloud server for the handheld console that is registered to it via remote play and SEN formally known as PSN....
**There is still information needed about the two combos seeing that I may have NOT covered what both these combos are capable of doing... That is all
(Please excuse my poor sentence structure, and grammar issues. I typed this with a phone)
Just imagine playing an FPS game on the PS3, while using the Vita to help out with Air support, or putting objectives down on the map for them. Maybe even use the Vita as a UAV or something.
Although to be honest, it's hard to see it used outside of Survival modes, or mini-games. Sure you could just use the Vita as a controller and your UI could be on the Vita, but I'd like to see more than just that.
:EDIT: I will say this: We probably won't see anything too great until the PS4 is out. Since I doubt the PS3 can connect with more than one Vita at the moment.
OR
Buy a next gen console, which will most likely cost $250-$300, will come with the second screen in the box, and will have support for the Gamepad from day one. It wont have many games right away, but the games it has will all take advantage of the 2nd screen in variable extents.
So spend $250-$300 on a current portable (again assuming you own a PS3 already,if not the very least $500)....or spend the same amount of money on a brand new console !! This just screams no brainer.
Ah, this explains all of Nintendo's new, groundbreaking IPs and original design choices. I honestly can't remember the last time Nintendo (re)made a Mario or Zelda game. Good on them.
"Eat it Fanboys"