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David Cage: There are no games for adults, more innovation needed

IncGamers: "We need innovation and new ideas. There are enough games where we shot at people already," says Cage. (Beyond: Two Souls, David Cage, Industry, PS3)

iamironman  +   1195d ago
True: there are enough shooting games.
abzdine  +   1195d ago
There is ONLY shooting games and they all look the same and play the same and even with same type of controls ! Video Games is not what it was.
BrutallyBlunt  +   1194d ago
David Cage keeps forgetting one important thing related to video games, that people want to be entertained. If he thinks gamers care more about the finer details like brushing your teeth in front of a mirror then by all means go ahead.

There seems to now be this conflict and arrogance in gaming that we see with movies. People still love going to the cinema and having balls to the wall action for 90 minutes. They don't have to be Oscar worthy screenplays all the time. Cage is trying to make gaming an art form with emotion but the technogy is still limited. Shooting games are an escape and adults love them too. Call of Duty on the PC has tons of adults and clans. If Cage really wants to go after a more mature and older crowd why is his team not making PC games?

Cage thinks he's more talented and innovative than he actually is. Heavy Rain suffered from poor acting and bad writing. If it were a Hollywood movie adult critics would have ripped it to shreds.
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abzdine  +   1194d ago
i think that brushing teeth in front of a mirror in a video game like Heavy Rain is for me more exciting than killing everything that is moving. It's a point of view thing !

Heavy Rain is much more genious than any FPS out there.
DigitalAnalog  +   1194d ago
WRONG. The idea that you would easily put words into his mouth is pretty much why your statement doesn't hold value.

Cage doesn't need or want games to be in art form - it already is! He's simply pointing out that devs are not truly recognizing the potential games can bring because they keep resorting to mindless thrills and adrenaline.

How you managed to get from brushing teeth, to oscar and then criticise his writing when it has NOTHING to do with this article or statement is mindboggling. Your attitude is exactly why Assassin's Creed and COD are recurring year-by-year basis; no longer games want to have their own identity. Just go ahead and take a look what they did with Dead Space and Resident Evil because - like you, want to keep them "entertained".
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Captain Qwark 9  +   1195d ago
@both of you....

batman AA / AC
the witcher 2
dragon age
darksiders 1 / 2
god of war
little big planet
devil may cry
3d dot heroes
heavy rain
the walking dead
dragons dogma
every sports game there is
every racing game there is
rayman origins
dark/demon souls
lost Odyssey
banjo kazooie nuts and bolts
star ocean 4
every other jrpg ( yes there are still plenty )

blah blah blah.....the list goes on. just becuase all you choose to see is the long list fo shooting games doesnt mean that is all there is. i dont care much for shooters and there is a loooooooong list of games ive played still
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Freakazoid2012  +   1195d ago
Wait... You actually think that list of games has adult themes???LMAO.. What adult theme is in LBP?
Rayman origins has adult themes?

Dude I think you fail to understand whats being discussed.
I've played a lot of those as an adult but there is nothing adult themed about 90% of them.

I've played Lego and Mario too, but I wouldnt try to pretend that either has adult themes just because I choose to play them.
Captain Qwark 9  +   1195d ago
not all of them are adult themes, but all of them can be enjoyed by an adult and most of them should not be played by kids, all the mature titles are m17+ for a reason
Lvl_up_gamer  +   1195d ago
@ Freakazoid2012

"I've played a lot of those as an adult but there is nothing adult themed about 90% of them."

I disagree. From that list given, I would say 90% DO have an adult theme about them. Actually I only count 2 of those games in which DON'T have an adult theme about them...However they are both questionable ie.

LBP has had some questionable content created by users.

Minecraft is user generated where you can create your own world which....can be heavily adult themed...
iamironman  +   1195d ago
most of those games are not "adult". Yes, they can be enjoyed by adults, but so can pixar movies. other than blood and nudity, what's "mature" about God of War, for example?

That's not the kind of adult theme being spoken about here. What's meant here, I believe, is an emotional connection with the narrative and/or subject matter and/or character.

Something where the main description doesn't include "exciting" "awesome" "visceral" "violent" "sexy"
showtimefolks  +   1194d ago
Because American media sucks ass. When EA was gonna out the name terrorists in medal of honr every one went oh no yet we can hand guns and say shoot kids? Get real people 90% of the games are not for adults, that doesn't mean adults can't enjoy them but you hav to see what David cage s trying to get across

When the game I forgot what was the 4 days in faluijah was announced and had ll the backlash why could we accept the face everything isn't as it seems. You think someone just wakes One day and says to himself I am gonna blow myself and kill innocent people? What drives that person to that extreme level? American soldiers are killing innocent people over seas it's ok but when some one seeks revenge they are labeled as terrorist.

I hope some day a big publisher actually make a game where touchy subjects are brought up we as Americans can not close our eyes and think everything s perfect.

Ask ur self this are you ready for a game about 9/11 or actual events in Afghanistan or Iraq? A American life isn't more important than a kids life in Iraq because a parents pain is the same when an American parent loose their kid in Warner when a innocent kid GTA killed for playing soccer on the street
Ducky  +   1194d ago
I don't think changing the name of the enemy would've made MoH any more (or less) mature. It was mostly over the multiplayer too.
Yea, it was a silly thing that the media jumped on, but it also wasn't something that had any real affect on the game... and MoH wasn't really all that mature anyways.

The reason the recent wars are considered taboo is because they are still in progress. Doesn't prevent developers from still developing mature storylines that explore themes about war though, just look at SpecOps:TheLine.

... even movies don't delve too deep into the current conflicts. So it's not really an issue specific to games.
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ChunkyLover53  +   1195d ago
I'm an adult, I feel like there are a lot of games for adults. Sure, there are a lot of shooters, but there are a lot of other options as well.

Why is this guy making so much noise lately?
paddystan  +   1195d ago
Just because you are an adult when it comes to age doesn't it mean you also are an adult when it comes to your brain.
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Freakazoid2012  +   1195d ago
Rated M does not mean for adults. In most cases those games appeal to the 15-20 year old crowd and mostly because they feel its what adults do.

There really are no games for real adults. Games with real adult themes.

How would God of Wars sex QTE events appeal to an adult who can get real sex any time they like?

All the swearing in GTA isnt for adults. Most never talk that way. It appeals to young adults because they do not have the freedom to speak any way they like and they think its the "adult" thing to do.

Why would drinking in a game appeal to me when I can go by whatever I want to drink any time I want to? Again its only for kids who cant but want to.
DoomeDx  +   1194d ago
"How would God of Wars sex QTE events appeal to an adult who can get real sex any time they like? "

Like 15-18 year old kids cant do that.. also, ANYTIME (Litterly ANYTIME) they like? I already feel sorry for your wife if you get/got one lol

What exacly DO you consider as a game for adults?
abzdine  +   1194d ago
Games with more complex scenario than just run through the level and hold the R1 button down to kill everyone, something more artistic i will say.

For my case Heavy Rain is the best example of an adult game. Parents are for example more touched by that game than any other teen out there.
SilentNegotiator  +   1195d ago
He obviously means MATURE (not "rated M") games AIMED at adults.

edit: oh please, you're just doing your 360 troll duties and attacking playstation posterboys. I'm not new to N4G, buddy, I've seen your work.
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ChunkyLover53  +   1195d ago
I know what he is talking about, and I still disagree. He is quickly becoming annoying, maybe as annoying as Jaffe was at one point and time. As I said, I'm an adult and I've found many games that are geared towards adults, that isn't to say teens wouldn't enjoy them as well.

The guy is trying to pigeonhole every type of gamer. To say flatly that "There are no games for adults" is just wrong.
jamesensor  +   1195d ago
It's good someone is making noise because it's acceptable to kill people in 1000's of ways but to put some adult content creates a lot of buzz. Quite cynical I might add. Anyways, the Japanese make nice adult oriented content games. Take Rapelay as an example, although the theme is controversial, it had nice graphics and interaction. Its mechanics could be used for a more acceptable theme. Cheers
MajorgamerQc  +   1195d ago
There's clearly L.A. Noire, BF3 if you compare it to COD but i admit it's hard to think about anything else.
SilentNegotiator  +   1195d ago
How is BF3 'more mature' than COD? LOL, these BF3 vs COD semantics get more ridiculous every day.

And LA Noire *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER* ends with a flamethrower. Yeah, whatta mature game. /s All that build up and they end it like THAT.
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JellyJelly  +   1194d ago
LA Noire is definitely a maturely themed game for adults.

@SilentNegotiator - You could ridicule any game by taking details out of their context. It's like saying MGS5 isn't mature because it has a grown man in g-string sneaking around in a box and looking in nudie mags. But that wouldn't be a fair assessment of the game, as isn't your comment about LA Noire.

And you, if anyone, shouldn't bash anyone else for being a fanboy.
SilentNegotiator  +   1194d ago
"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean – without blemish or blot –
That your blackness is mirrored in me."

Look at my comments. Really look at them. Most of them have to do with the industry. You know why? Because unlike fanboys like you, I care about the industry, and not just if one company does well or one company doesn't.

I have a problem with the way Microsoft conducts business and the way they have changed in recent years, and you don't like that. That doesn't make me a fanboy, One-bubble.
ShinnosukeRFD  +   1195d ago
M rated doesn't mean it's for adult.
E rated doens't mean it's for children.
TABSF  +   1194d ago
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Titles rated E (Everyone) have content that may be suitable for ages 6 and older. Titles in this category may contain minimal cartoon, fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language.
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mochachino  +   1195d ago
Strangely the game with the most mature themes is probably the Metal Gear Solid series imo. It at least attempts to deal with politics in that it argues that we're all under a plutocracy, nature vs nurture, loss, sacrifice, etc.

It definitely predicted growing drone usage and commercial military organizations well before it became common place.
Freakazoid2012  +   1195d ago
I agree with him, but I am not sure there is a market for those types of games..

I play games to escape the adult world and its issues.

Imagine a game where you need to earn 100k to send your kids to college.
Imagine playing quick time events to fix the dishwasher when it broke, or the water pipes busted and you have to either fix it yourself through QTE or go to work for 8 hours to pay someone else.

It just doesnt sound interesting at all to me.
As an adult I face the adult world every day. Why would I want to escape into a game that deals with the same issues?

I'd rather play an RPG where the quest is to save someone rather than the quest be "hey we are out of eggs,run down to the local walmart and get some."
s45gr32  +   1194d ago
Umm that is not what david cage meant. What he meant was which is true a lot of games still play it safe and dont want to go deeper. There is very few adult games; however, those are in the adventure genre i.e. the walking dead, gemini rue,heavy rain. To some extent bioshock.
Sketchy_Galore  +   1195d ago
I appreciated Heavy rain for it's original take on gameplay but as far as story goes David Cage's work is not for adults. It's incredibly adolescent and cliche ridden. Beyond looks to be about the same. His writing is far closer to something like Twilight than something like 1984, being po faced and self consciously 'grown up' but in actuality having all the depth of a made for TV erotic thriller.
True games for adults are games like Braid, Papo & Yo, Journey or Telltale's Walking dead game.

I'm not trying to insult Cage, I'll be buying Beyond and I think his stuff is easily a step up from the usual macho nonsense but I wish he'd realise how cheesy and adolescent a lot of his writing is and really develop as an artist because at this moment his work has all the forced and false maturity of a thirteen year old trying to grow his first weak bumfluff moustache.
Ducky  +   1195d ago
"What you see at the moment is that when people get older they stop playing games."

Someone remind me what the average age of gamers is?

.. and from what I've seen, usually, older people play simpler/casual games, simply because they don't have the time. TV/Internet/Movies are all relatively short in length compared to games.
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SkyGamer  +   1195d ago
Well Mr. Cage, if there are none then make some! You sir are part of the problem with the whole graphics sterotype. I would much have a fun game to play than a linear story game. EDF2017 had polished last gen graphics, but guess what? Extremely fun to play. How much does it cost your company to make your graphic games? How much did it cost for indie companies Braid and Fez and Minecraft? Guess what, they all sold more than you did with a MUCH smaller budget. Quit your yappin and make games that sell.
iamironman  +   1195d ago
the number of copies a game sells is not a way of judging a game's quality. the best movies are not the ones that sell the most, same with games.

Also, there's nothing way with linear games - it's the best (possibly only) way for a writing to have true authorship over the narrative.

Just because games can do non-linear stories, doesn't mean they all should.

There should be a choice. Linear games are just as good as non-linear ones.
SkyGamer  +   1194d ago
Isn't the case for all games but true for a lot of games. A game has to be fun. Who wants to play a reality game? You are already playing reality in real life. A game has to be fun, hence why it is gaming...
ThePsychoGamer  +   1195d ago
He must have never played any of the Yakuza games.
Axonometri  +   1195d ago
Agreed. Adult doesn't meann half-assed sex scenes that are more childish than two teens kissing in the bathroom or buckets of blood spewing from severed mutilated bodies either.
Hicken  +   1194d ago
Man, it's sad to see "mature" go over the heads of so many. Kinda shows you who's mature and who isn't.
s45gr32  +   1194d ago
Its true most games are aimed at teens and kids but not old timers like me. I still enjoy some not all non-adult games like LBP, cave story and such. But a true adult game with adult themes, language, gameplay mechanics and such is near impossible to find. Anime on the other hand is very easy to find adult oriented content. Now games like the walking dead, heavy rain, gemini rue and bioshock. Is less about blood, gore, and sex and more about the lifes' of the characters, their struggles, the game world, life and death, etc. etc. Its time for game developers to play it safe by bringing mor adult oriented content
cleft5  +   1194d ago
Well I guess this also means Heavy Rain isn't a "mature" game for adults either, oh wait isn't that David Cage's game. Maybe this guy should stop running his mouth so much and just make decent games. Anyone can talk this nonsense, why don't he go and make a great game to show his point. The Witcher 2 is an amazing "mature" title that respects it's audience and treats us all like adults.
3-4-5  +   1194d ago
It's not the games...

It's the people who are a problem.

Most Adult's aren't as smart as they think they are.

Other wise they wouldn't be calling games over you hear every now and then.

There are plenty of games for an older audience.

I feel they want a boring game = to going to work.

Where the hell is the fun in that ?

Go take a nap and watch idol or something.
ame22  +   1194d ago
This guy is starting to get on my nerves. When your focus shifts purely towards exploring more mature and more humanitarian themes it's no longer called a game. There is a defined line between video games and film and blurring that line evidently isn't working for you. Sorry Cage but as long as your experiences revolve around QTEs 90% of the time I think I'm gonna have to pass. You wanna make a breakthrough? Find a way around QTEs or eliminate it all together.
Soylent_Green  +   1194d ago
Well normally I hate QTEs in games, but for adventure games like Heavy Rain and the Walking Dead they feel right. I think if the likes of Monkey Island and Westwood's Blade Runner game where being made for the first time today they'd use a similar interface.
My problem with Cage's games are the terrible plot twist's. I wish he'd hire a script writer, I have a feeling a third party could convey his stories better and more cohesively.
KMCROC54  +   1194d ago
Am fine with not being an adult while i play video games, cause it my escape from being an adult & having a good time.
KMCROC54  +   1194d ago
yes thier are a few adult games out there , but i perfer non adult themed games or games that don't require me to do alot of thinking. (JMFO)
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Quiescent  +   1194d ago
i think people really dont know what Cage means. But you cant tell narrow mind fools that. He not being arrogant in any way hes saying theres not enough mature games aimed at the adult audience that engrosses into a entertaining story where you can actually appreciate the game and have fun enjoying it not for shooter people who leak immaturity around their little friends. Its more than that but Cage isnt being stuck up and ppl increase your comprehension. oh disagrees dont get in denial from truth.
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