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Submitted by Gekko 792d ago | news

Nintendo responds to Mario sequelitis criticism

Nintendo has responded to recent criticism that it has begun churning out Mario games at too frequent a pace.

Company president Satoru Iwata explained that the past logic of releasing one 2D Mario per Nintendo system would still continue - probably. (3DS, Mario, Nintendo, Satoru Iwata, Wii U)

majiebeast  +   792d ago
3 mario games in less then a year is really milking it.
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Capt-FuzzyPants  +   792d ago
But you can't blame them. Mario games sell a lot. They make a ton of money off them. And anyway some of the games are different like the sports and Mario Party. I understand that they should really work on things besides Mario too, but when they're making so much money why would they.
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Hisiru  +   792d ago
@majiebeast
Portable Mario games:
-The last portable 2D mario game was launched in 2006 for the original DS. New Super Mario Bros. 2 is completely different from Mario 3D Land, so you can't even compare. New Super mario Bros 2 is not milk imo, it's a "sequel" to a 2006 DS game in a different platform.

-The last portable 3D Mario game was launched in 2004 (Mario 64 for the DS), so Mario 3D Land is also not a milk, it's the new 3D portable game after the 2004 release.

Now the consoles:
-The last console 2D Mario game was launched in 2009 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii), so New Super mario Bros U is going to launch 3 years after the last Mario 2D game on consoles.

How exactly is this milking? How is it different from what Sony (resistance 1, 2, 3 + PSP game/several others like Motorstorm) and Microsoft (Gears of War 1, 2, 3, spin off/Halo 3, Halo reach, Halo 4, Halo ODST) is doing?

The problem is not "milking" the problem is that NSMBU looks very similar to the other "New" Super Mario 2D games.

You guys really want to hate on Mario/Nintendo and say they are "milking" mario, but all the 3 companies are doing the same.
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-Omega  +   792d ago
@Hisiru

Your really comparing the amount of Mario games we get to other big franchises like COD, Assassin Creed and Halo

Despite being those types of franchises which seem to get milked a lot. COD coming out every year for example and Halo with how many we've had just on this gen they don't compare to how much Nintendo milk Mario.

As Mikecosgrove has said below if most other games this gen which are only up to their third game or sometimes just the second get points taken off while it comes to reviewing them because they "feel the same" or "add nothing new" then why should the same not be said about Mario.

No one is "hating" on Mario or Nintendo so lets not try and spin this whole thing, people are jus starting to realise that Mario is becoming milked, it's not just some random BS that people have came up with out of the blue it's a fact.

Where are the new IPs from Nintendo thats what we want or even as RmanX1000 has said below how about some new installmets of old franchises like a Starfox game or a one of F-Zero.
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Hisiru  +   792d ago
@-Omega
So youre using your personal opinion to describe what is "big"? Really? For me millions of others, a 2D/3D mario release IS big, it's still the most known character in the industry of gaming consoles.

"COD coming out every year for example and Halo with how many we've had just on this gen they don't compare to how much Nintendo milk Mario."

Really? COD is adding a lot of new and innovative features in every year, right? No. Halo had at least 4 new Halo games in the same console.

I am not saying New Super Mario Bros U looks innovative, the last really innovative Mario I played was Mario Galaxy 2, but still, even if it's not innovative, it doesn't mean it's "milk". People were complaining that there is too much Mario in a short period and I explained that we had the last 2D portable game was in 2006, the last 3D portable Mario was in 2004 and the last 2D console Mario was in 2009.

"people are jus starting to realise that Mario is becoming milked, it's not just some random BS that people have came up with out of the blue it's a fact."
Youre using what kind of standards? Your personal standards? It's baseless argument imo. As for quality, it's not up to you to decide for me (consumer), it's a personal opinion and even reviews can't tell me what is good and what is not good; as for sales it's still selling well; and as for date releases/short period I already showed you that last time we had one Mario game in each category was a long time ago.

"Where are the new IPs from Nintendo thats what we want or even as RmanX1000 has said below how about some new installmets of old franchises like a Starfox game or a one of F-Zero."

Iwata already confirmed they have both new IPs and traditional games to announce, we just need to wait for the WiiU conference before we talk about it.
http://nintendoeverything.c...
"Those include both our traditional franchises and of course new propositions as well"

@Freakazoid2012:
Exactly! As for "old IPs", they Released Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch Out, Excite series, Pillotwings, Kid Icarus, Metroid Other M and many others. As I said above, Iwata already confirmed they will announce more traditional games and new IPs.
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Freakazoid2012  +   792d ago
@Omega, That's honestly not a valid point. You are saying it only applies to Mario because he has been around longer than AC or CoD? So its okay that COD comes out yearly because its only been out 15 years but its pathetic that we have 10 mario Platform games in 30 years? If those franchises were as old as Mario they'd have a ton more games out,not just 10.

Okay your comment on new IPs. Last Story, Pandoras tower, Disaster day of crisis, come to mind but I know there are more.

Old IPs like Star fox? You mean like DKC,Punchout or excite bike? Those are actually on Wii too. People only cry about Starfox because its like the only thing you have left to pull up that Nintendo hasnt already done a game for.
If they did make starfox,it would some how get missed kinda like how you missed all their new IP's and old IPs in your post.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   792d ago
They sell a lot, but if they start over saturating, people will grow tired of it. How about a new IP, Nintendo? Please create a new franchise, I'm begging you!

Lol I got a disagree already... I guess we don't want any new franchises. I really hate this site.
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BattleAxe  +   792d ago
"Nintendo responds to Mario sequelitis criticism" ......more like colonitis.
victoryscreeeeeech  +   792d ago
@ConstipatedGorilla xenoblade chronicles is a new IP, and it was critically acclaimed
user5467007  +   792d ago
The problem is that they all play the same.

I mean they think that adding some new items for Mario to get makes it fresh and exciting.

Look at the jump between Super Mario 64 to Super Mario Sunshine then to Super Mario Galaxy...BIG Differences.

Hell the Wii U one just looks like New Super Mario Bros Wii but in HD. I know the whole defense to this is "Oh well as along as the game is good why should we care" because other franchises get marked down when it comes to reviewing them because of the games feeling the same as the last ones. Look at Uncharted 3 and Gears of War 3 last year in most reviews people said something along the lines of "Despite being a fantastic game, it feels like we've done all this before" then go on to give them both a lower score. We shouldn't give Mario a free pass, this has to stop

It bugs me because they could of done Luigis Manison 2 instead as a launch game for the Wii U but gave it a handheld release instead.
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linkratos  +   792d ago
In what world are the New Mario games not penalized? They receive much lower scores than the games you mentioned and the other classic Marios like World, 64, and Galaxy. Tons of reviews harp on about how nothing has changed much.
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victoryscreeeeeech  +   792d ago
U shouldnt compare mario 64 and sunshine to galaxy, cuz one came out in '96, then '02, then '07, by those years people want more 3d Mario, i want more 3d mario now, they are good games, i cant tell if ur being sarcastic on the 3d mario tho. i dunno about the new super mario bros 2d side scroller cuz ur right it is just an HD edition, and reviews on that game for the 3ds are essentially, "its the esame game, but its still good' similar to gears and uncharted. sorry fo grammar, reply if im wrong, i would like to know why
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ronin4life  +   792d ago
This. I am a little annoyed by this as well...

But what is funny is during the GC era, all anyone would say is "WHAT THE #$%$# IS THIS CRAP?? I WANT MARIO, NOT LUIGI'S MANSION OR ANIMAL CROSING FMWJFNWFJNJB"... and once Mario Sunshine came out, it changed to "...WHAT. This Isn't Mario!! GIVE ME MAH MARIO!!!!"...

Funny how quickly things can change...>.<;;
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from the beach  +   792d ago
Hope Eurogamer checked this one for misquotes.
r21  +   792d ago
Your avatar perfectly fits your comment XD
RmanX1000  +   792d ago
There arent too many, but their "wow" or nostalgic factor of the NSMB series stopped after the NSMB Wii. We seriously need a new StarFox and/or F-Zero
TheLyonKing  +   792d ago
They do milk Mario but he still sells. Nintendo can probably to continue to squeeze some more money out there cash cows for a few more years if they keep things fresh.
NyGiants7  +   792d ago
Sony and MS do the same exact thing w/ there franchises. Halo, Resistance, Gears, COD, GOW, etc
TheLyonKing  +   792d ago
Yeah but when you look at the years mario has spanned I think they might have milked mario a bit longer than those franchises.
allyc4t  +   792d ago
I must be the only one enjoying NSMB2...
omarzy  +   792d ago
I'm loving it as well. Even if it did not add a whole bunch, it is still just as high quality as the ds one which is very good.
triplev16  +   792d ago
I'll be picking it up soon, glad to hear people are enjoying it.
rpd123  +   792d ago
He only addresses the main Super Mario games. In reality they have so many spin offs and sub franchises. There are at least 5 Mario related games on the 3DS right now.
Thepcz  +   792d ago
it would be fine if each game was genuinely original. but the truth is, nintendo has a 'mario cake cutter' which they use to churn out game after game using the same template. mario bros wii was the worst for this effect. it was empty and soulless.
tehpees3  +   792d ago
Everybody milks. Microsoft push Halo and Sony milk the blazes out of Rachet and Clank.
Freakazoid2012  +   792d ago
Ratchet and clank isnt a good example. LBP however is

LBP.
LBP2,
LBP PSP,
LBP Vita,
LBP kart racing
Sackboys prehistoric moves.

Franchise isnt even 5 years old yet

EDIT: 3 disagrees for simply stating a fact and not s single response either. Gotta love how upset some people get over the truth.
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user5467007  +   792d ago
Ok then

"Franchise isnt even 5 years old yet"

Mario Games from 2007 - 2012 (5 years just like LBP)

Mario Kart Wii

Mario Super Sluggers

Mario Power Tennis (New Play Control! series)

Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games

New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story

Super Mario Galaxy 2

Super Mario All-Stars 25th Anniversary Edition

Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem!

Mario Sports Mix

Super Mario 3D Land

Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games

Mario Kart 7

Mario Party 9

Mario Tennis Open

New Super Mario Bros. 2

Paper Mario: Sticker Star

New Super Mario Bros. U

...

Honestly, Little Big Planet is not that bad when you look at how many Mario games came out in the space of 5 years...
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bothebo  +   792d ago
OUCH. You just got burned out of your clothes. Well said MikeCosgrove!
Freakazoid2012  +   792d ago
Sorry Mike something must have confused you. We were talking about Ratchet being milked and how I think LBP is getting milked more than Ratchet.

Neither one of us even brought up Mario in our posts.
Dont mind talking but try to stick to what was actually said. This is about Ratchet and sackboy.

@bothebo,Yeah man he got me good considering nothing in his post was related to what I said about LBP being milked more than Ratchet and clank... LOL. Some people are so childish.

Now had his post been Ratchet and clank games then yeah he would have proved me wrong. As it stands though nothing he said proved that Ratchet was being milked more than LBP was.
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user5467007  +   792d ago
Mate where on a Mario related article, your post above to -Omega was about Mario, your comment history is mostly in Nintendo related articles and your basicaly trying to defend Nintendo in this article aswell. I think we both know we are talking about Mario here

tehpees3 was also trying to defend Nintendo by saying other companies milk their games, you replied and agreed with her yet said Little Big Planet would of been a better choice for her to use...a better choice to use in the argument that other companies like Sony milk more then Mario or milk just as much.

You were defening Mario whether you said his name or not.

Since I've just proven you wrong in my post above listing all the Mario games (excluding the ones he starred in like the Game & Watch Collection for example) that no other franchise by another company is milked as much as Mario you now want to give off the fact that you wern't talking about him and just trying to "defend" Rachet when you clearly wern't....just because your post wwhich started this has lost all meaning.
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Shadow Flare  +   792d ago
I like how Mike Cosgrove and Freakazoid are both arguing with each other. They were both friends in the cartoon! I think Mike should be asking Freakazoid if he wants to watch a bear ride a tiny motorcycle in a circus and then we can all sleep happy

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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MidnytRain  +   792d ago
Meh. LBP, LBP PSP, and LBP Vita were all on different systems. Plus, was that Prehistoric Moves thing even a real game?
Rainstorm81  +   792d ago
Well actually MikeCosgrove was more on topic than both of u the article is about Mario being milked.... and as shown above it beyond ridiculous to compare Mario to any other franchise when it comes to being milked

@freakazoid
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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ronin4life  +   792d ago
Mike, take out all non platforming Mario games. We are talkng Gameplay, not Characters. And freakazoisd, take off LBPK too.(EDIT and what the hell is "prehistoric moves"? Take that off too.)
Mario is a major franchise. And this last gen, he has had several releases. Let's chart them out:

2D Mario: 3 games (NewSMB 1, wii and 2)
3D Mario: 2 (and depending on how you classify it, 3) Galaxy 1 and 2(and 3d Land)

6 games in 2 genres at 3 each.

Now LBP:
1, 2, psp, 3 games IN THE SAME GENRE... Just like each Mario.

And then there are other "Milked" franchises: Halo with 3 games, Uncharted with 4, GOW with 3, AC with 5(I think...)
If Mario is "Milked", then what are these other games if not "milked"?

EDIT and just to head this off: would you count Uncharted as a Killzone game because they are both shooters? Of course not. One is 3rd person, the other 1st. Just as 3d and 2d Mario also have distinct play styles that set them apart.
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Old McGroin  +   792d ago
Neither Halo nor Ratchet & Clank are anywhere near the milkyness of Mario. Don't think any franchise anywhere can match Mario for over saturation.
Jadedz  +   792d ago
Milk the Name
Not the game \ -_- /
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rpd123  +   792d ago
There have been 8 Halo games in 11 years. Compare that to the 18 Mario games released in the past 5 years.

Edit: Really? A disagree for pointing out the massive scope of Mario milking using facts?
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ronin4life  +   792d ago
Well, in that Time frame there have been 6 Main Halo games and 3~4 Mainline 3d Mario Games.(depending on where 3d land falls.)
Soon, this will be 7 to 4 with Halo 4 coming out...
rpd123  +   792d ago
@Ronin4life

There have been 4 main Halo games. Reach is a prequel and ODST is not part of the main series. So no, that'd be 4 to 4.

And even if it were six that'd be 6 Halos in 11 years opposed to Mario's 4 in 5 years. That's almost a game every year opposed to Halo's game every 2 years.
Bobby Kotex  +   792d ago
"These are two very unique and separate titles," Iwata said of New Super Mario Bros. 2 and U. "We have a Mario you can play in the palm of your hand and a Mario you can play seated in front of your TV."

/facepalm
fossilfern  +   792d ago
Oh Nintendo what has happened to you ?
thebudgetgamer  +   792d ago
I'm only disappointed that there has never been talk about a new Mario Bros.
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Qrphe  +   792d ago
Just this year there will be 6 Mario games:
Mario Party 9, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics,Mario Tennis, New Super Mario Bros. 2, Paper Mario 3DS and New Super Mario Bros. U.

This is super milking, I don't think any other franchise does this (probably because it's the best-selling worldwide too).
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TruthbeTold  +   792d ago
Mario to Nintendo is 'Mr. Video Game'. He's the character that they use as ambassador for as many genres as possible because he's a game avatar that people love. Mario Party 9, Mario/Sonic Olympics, NSMB, and Paper Mario are all different genres. Mario is simply the face on those games because it works. So saying 'this year there will be 6 Mario games' isn't inaccurate, but it's ill informed/misleading. Sony and MS would kill for a character that they could use in any genre and because of it sell more games.
Qrphe  +   792d ago
You've just described Nintendo's milking very well. Nintendo has found an efficient way of selling their software by attaching Mario to it. Yes, there is variety on what it is (party, sports, platforming, etc) but it's still milking down to the root regardless of how you sugarcoat it.

It works for Nintendo; it works for its market/consumers; it'll probably always work and be successful, but it's STILL milking the Mario name.

Definitions gotta definition.
smashcrashbash  +   792d ago
Most of the time they play the same way except for a change in power ups and a few enemy changes. In my opinion the giant power up and the mini power up in New Super Mario Brothers for the DS were the worst ever. To add to that it was one of the worst Marios I have ever played. I don't mind if you want to milk your series but please everyone stop pretending that you aren't. And while you are at it stop trying to drag games like Ratchet down with it. Mario has been used in everything from Tennis to Basketball to Racing to art to party and everything else in between. You don't see a Ratchet Tennis or Ratchet Golf or Ratchet Basketball and three or four sequels to each one do you? Mario is the most over used game character ever and everyone always wants to get all defensive when you say so
slane3  +   792d ago
Rachet tennis .......LOL
TruthbeTold  +   792d ago
Funny how many of the people complaining about there being no difference between releasing these games on console or handheld, and that one per system is two much aren't even Nintendo gamers. Does everyone who owns a 3DS intend to buy a Wii U? Even if they do, do they want a 2D Mario for both? It's all about preference and options. Just because one person may like the 3DS game doesn't mean that they also enjoy playing on the TV, or vice versa.

That being said, personally, I'd much rather that they stagger the Mario releases with more efforts from other series. For example, we get Mario all the time, and Zelda and Smash Bros only once every 5 or 6 years. But hey, at least they are trying hard to get high quality games out there...
Bossman112  +   792d ago
Mario is not a franchise.... He is a character put into games... It would be milking if they put out 3 Mario Karts on one console or 3 NSMB games but having different Genre Games isn't really milking it because they are different
TruthbeTold  +   792d ago
Yeah, people either don't seem to understand this, or they are just looking for a reason to express hate for the advantage that Mario gives Nintendo.
Yodagamer  +   792d ago
I kinda think of mario as the loony toons of video games, the franchise uses alot of the same characters, but the games themselves change drastically from one game to another.
AWBrawler  +   792d ago
Why don't people get that?
auragenz  +   792d ago
Please...No...Stop...Don't give me more of those quality games that I enjoy. People really will complain about anything nowadays.
blue_flowers  +   792d ago
haha yeah a side scrolling platformer where you collect gold coins is really innovative and new from a handheld to a console >.<
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Yodagamer  +   792d ago
Mario is milked tbh, but at least unlike other milked franchises the games are still fun and change it up a bit for each game. If the fans like it, then the fans like it, granted i'm a fan, but i'll admit it's milked a bit.
AO1JMM  +   792d ago
Milked yes but at least they are always a quality game and alot of fun.
wiiulee  +   792d ago
why nintendo even bothered..let haters hate
PopRocks359  +   792d ago
Milked or not, the games are still fun. They still make Halo games, CoD games, Madden games, etc. I don't see anybody complaining about those. Well, that's not entirely true; I've seen my fair share of gamers who are sick of CoD.
trippyaaron  +   792d ago
all these mario games and still no sequel for super mario sunshine
tiffac008  +   792d ago
Its not Mario's fault. Someone just have to tell Princess Peach to stop getting kidnapped most of the time. X)

But joking aside, as long as they make the game enjoyable. Then milk away. Hmm... that sounded so wrong in so many ways...
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nintendojunkie28  +   792d ago
@tiffac008
"Its not Mario's fault. Someone just have to tell Princess Peach to stop getting kidnapped most of the time."

I know,if I was her,I would have secret service agents (or plumbers) all over mushroom kingdom and I would never leave the castle.
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slane3  +   792d ago
The Milk Man Cometh
People are looking at this the wrong way and saying Nintendo is making too many Marios to quickly....but there is a reason to the madness. Mario helps with increasing the install base of each console...be it handheld or home console. The fact that Mario has had a 3D version and now a 2D version on 3DS pretty much means we wont be seeing any more Mario games on the 3DS,excluding spinoffs.

And with the Wii-U launching with NSMBU, that means all you can expect in the future for Mario on the U is a 3D version. Thats it, there will be no more for many years after that 3D version comes out.Again,of course this excludes spinoffs and side stories such as Mario Kart or Paper Mario.

This will mean Nintendos developers will be working on those other IP's everyone likes.Super Smash Bros, Waverace,
F-Zero, Starfox, 1080 Snowboarding, ExciteBike, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid etc will all have their time to shine now.

Look at the 3DS as an example.....sales were really starting to get low because of one thing....no Mario....then what happened? A 3D Mario and Mario Kart came out, and now its currently the best selling portable ever....and NSMB2 will help keep that momentum. Once that install base keeps growing, guess what? They will bring out there other IP's which will now have more exposure,do to the bigger install base.

This is a business move on Nintendo's part because they know Mario sells bottom line. Examples below:

Super Mario 64 DS DS (9.65 million)
New Super Mario Bros. DS (28.74 million)
Super Mario Galaxy Wii (10.4 million)
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (25.47million)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 Wii (6.36 million)
Super Mario AllStars 25 Anniversary Edition Wii (2.24 million)
Super Mario 3D Land 3DS (5.03 million)

Now what company would stop producing something with those numbers? Especially the NSMB series as it sells way more than the 3D versions. And people seem to forget, where does all that money go from selling all those Mario games, oh thats right, into making the other IP's you like such Smash,Metroid, Animal Crossing and Pikmin. And lets be honest, games like Pikmin or Xenoblade and even Metroid dont pull in the revenue to sustain Nintendo all by themselves. Mario is Nintendo's Mickey Mouse, he is their mascot, and his job is to get recognition for Nintendos consoles,bottom line. Kids like him, parents trust his games, core Nintendo fans grew up on him. And for those who dont like him, feel their to old to play with him, or are tired of him....just dont buy it !!1
As a further example whats the first thing the girl ask at the 31 second mark in the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This is what Nintendo hears every time they say we have a new console...how can they not have Mario?
CouldHaveYelledUiiW  +   791d ago
This is a dumb complaint

Most of the Mario games have totally different Game play (Mario Kart vs Mario Galaxy) and in many cases they are on totally different platforms.

By that logic you should include Super Smash Brothers into the list of Mario Titles (Mario is in it).

Mario's presence in so many game (Baseball, Tennis, golf) goes back to the NES/ Arcade days. There was always a guy that looked like that guy from Miyamoto's Donkey Kong in every Nintendo Sports title.

Mario is the Mascot, it's just like saying Nintendo's Tennis or Sluggers like they use to do. So what difference does it make?

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