GP: "Sometimes mistakes happen and things don't always work out as planned. But when it comes to technological wonders that cost millions of dollars to produce, you expect at least a little bit of testing to be done to make sure the product works as intended. But as we all know, that doesn't always happen. In fact, things can fail so badly the company responsible can lose out on millions of dollars fixing it.
You would think with so much on the line companies would try harder to keep their products from having such insanely devastating flaws, but it happens way more than you think. In fact, here are five such instances that had to have left a sour taste in each company's mouths."
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http://consumerist.com/2009...
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On the other hand my PS3's been holding for 4 years now.
Surprisingly, I still prefer Xbox over PS3.
1. microsoft said the failure rate was within the acceptable limit - the acceptable limit for consoles/appliances is 3-4% iirc.
2. microsoft said the failure rate was above the acceptable limit and introduced the 3 year warranty. that means that the failure rate hit >3%, meaning even 3.000000000001% was possible.
secondly, 100% of the original Playstations (the first one) built within the first 18 months were faulty due to using a cheap plastic laser eye rail. sony lost numerous class action lawsuits regarding this.
thirdly, a huge percentage of PS2s manufactured in the first few years were faulty too, getting the infamous disk read error. again, sony lost multiple class action lawsuits over this manufacturing fault.
microsoft however have not lost a single lawsuit over RROD, let alone multiple class action ones like sony did. whichever way you look at it, sony made 2 monumental manufacturing mistakes that are each bigger than the RROD.
i personally had all 4 errors - my launch PSs rail warped making it unplayable, my launch PS2 would take 10+ goes to read disks before i replaced it with a slim, my launch 360 got the RROD, and my launch PS3 got the YLOD.
incoming blind disagrees in 3, 2, 1....
"1. microsoft said the failure rate was within the acceptable limit - the acceptable limit for consoles/appliances is 3-4% iirc."
2. microsoft said the failure rate was above the acceptable limit and introduced the 3 year warranty. that means that the failure rate hit >3%, meaning even 3.000000000001% was possible."
= Microsoft said this, Microsoft said that.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
"a huge percentage of PS2s manufactured in the first few years were faulty too, getting the infamous disk read error.
100% of the original Playstations (the first one) built within the first 18 months were faulty due to using a cheap plastic laser eye rail.
100% ? I highly doubt that buddy.
"whichever way you look at it, sony made 2 monumental manufacturing mistakes that are each bigger than the RROD."
If you honestly believe any of those are even remotely close to having MORE THAN 50% of consoles completely dying out. Then you sir, are an idiot :)
"microsoft however have not lost a single lawsuit over RROD, let alone multiple class action ones like sony did."
That still doesn't excuse the fact that it actually happened. Over 50% of 360's exploded.
Nice try at damage control kid. :)
I got a PS3 on release day and I got the Yold 2years after I bought the console Sony wanted me to pay for it to get it fixed so I bought 2 PS3 slims after that and I have not had a problem since.
So to me both the PS3 and 360 had problems with there 1st batch of consoles and the way I look at it so what stop making a big deal of it you have a choice when your PS3 or 360 breaks. Go and buy a new one or don't just like everything else in life you buy.
Ps3 Single player, cost
360 multiplayer, interface ease of use
PC - combination of all of the above/troll
ps3 2 of those failed and killzone 3 came out and i was very disappointed with that.
ps3 got hacked and that is when i decided to switch to pc gaming exclusively and i don't regret it.
http://us.playstation.com/p...
http://raptr.com/Farsendor/...
last game i played on a console was killzone 3
steam is what really made me happy with pc gaming :)
my ps3 YLOD on me, and my rented copy of "Shadows of the Damned" is still in it.
Blockbuster made me purchase the game for how late it became.
I suppose it's not a bad thing, I actually am loving that game, so it could be worse, it could be worse.
consensus? you better believe that I'm waiting a while after ps4/720 come out so they can iron out the issues.
Jesus, hardware wise, this generation has been a damned disaster in terms of dispersing heat. I don't get it.
My last generation of consoles work perfectly, as well as the generation before that, and the generation before that...
The PShack was terrible too, luckily I don't play online all that often so I didn't fully get effected.
also I already know I'm gonna get a bunch of sony fanboys coming in and saying that my yyold problem was not true and blah blah blah but save it, it happened and Sony did absolutely nothing about it and denied it even to this day.
Anyways, I as well got the YLOD but I was lucky enough that it was fixable ($70) and now so far so good.
This generation has been plagued by a lot of hardware failures more than any other generation it seems whether Xbox or PS3. I hope the next generation turns out better.
I've been through several replacement 360s (Paid for the second and had them replaced for free since. It's out of warranty now though), a single PS3 (after years of use) and a single Wii (drunken damage).
Long story short, they all break. It's just that the 360 was really good at breaking. It's just serves a cautionary lesson for next Gen.
Edit: Then again aren't MS pushing the next box on PC (or is that just 360 software)? I may not even need to buy MS hardware. That'd be great.
If it really did break that much then you probably handled your PS3's like how a monkey handles his feces.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e...
Next gen I'm wasting a dime on anything MS until after a year on the market. Maybe 2. I'm not going to allow them to give me a headache.
He probably shouldn't have left the game in there... but still. Pretty messed up on Microsofts part.
sony fanatics dont want anyone to know this. remember MS bad and always wrong, Sony good and always right.
rinse and repeat, and you will do fine in N4G
The 360 launched November 2005. The one-year warranty for that would have ended November 2006(assuming it WAS a one-year warranty, and not something less, which I can't find any info on). Any systems bought from launch until July 2006 would not have been covered by the warranty, thus people would have had to pay for a new one out of pocket.
July 2007's 3-year warranty was retroactive, meaning it covered every system bought from the day of purchase for three years. That now included replacement systems people bought out-of-pocket; assuming an original one-year warranty, some people were now on their second system. According to various studies- though no information was EVER released by Microsoft- that meant 1/4 to 1/2 of users were on replacement systems.
Assuming a minimum of 6 million and a maximum of 10 million units sold during that first year, and assuming that everyone who experienced a system failure bought a replacement, 25% failure rate would mean another 1.5 million systems(at 6 million the first year) up to 5 million systems(at 10 million). The real number was, obviously, likely somewhere inbetween.
Keep in mind, the extended warranty ONLY covered the RROD(general hardware failure); Square Trade's study- which tested a little over 1000 Xboxes for no more than 10 months, and saw a failure rate of 16.4%, yet predicted these estimates to be "significantly lower" due to the short testing period, and people not reporting- found that 40% of the system failures were NOT covered by the extended warranty: disc read errors, video card failures, hard drive freezes and the like. That's 2/3 as many systems failing from factors that would not be replaced by Microsoft.
People whose systems suffered from these issues would also have had to buy new systems, and assuming everyone who experienced such an issue out of warranty also bought a new system, a few million more would have been added on to the number of systems not replaced for free.
If we take the median possible number of systems from the first year alone that failed (3.5 million) and assume about half as many for the 8 months from November 2006 until the 3-year warranty was announced in July, we get 5.25 million systems that were replaced without a warranty.
But since this is based on an assumption that every system failed outside of warranty, and that every one that did was replaced out of pocket, that number's probably a bit high. It's probably more in the 3-4 million range.
Still, that's about a minimum of 3 million systems that WERE NOT replaced for free. And that's not including systems DURING the 3-year warranty era that broke down and WERE NOT covered. That number, being about 2/3 as many as the covered systems, would mean about another 2 million or so. And the 3-year warranty ended before the Slim came out, so that would increase the number of systems sold that would need to be replaced out of pocket.
All told, a rough estimate of about 5 million systems wouldn't be overkill for re-buys NOT covered by Microsoft.
The 360 originally came with a 90 day warranty. They didn't extend the warranty till 2 years after release. I know because I had to buy a second one when my first crapped out after a matter of months.
I've never seen anyone take what is supposed to be a hobby to entertain us, be taken so far out of context and so serious before.
Another sony fanboy that takes this gaming waaaaaaaay to seriously. You kids got issues.
i went thru 4 360's and 2 ps3's
everytime one died, i went up to the store i bought it from and DEMANDED a new console, with the 360 this was easy because they were doing the whole 3 year thing, ps3 i had to raise a shitload of eyebrows going thru different managers, but eventually, if you are persistant enough and use the right language, not sweraring mind you, that doesnt work, veiled threats about lawyers, class actions, posting this to youtube ect......those types of language get their attention
be mellow about it, but firm, i never once waited for a console refurb, the day my console died i went to best buy and said "hey this stopped working heres my reciept i need to grab another one"
We need to send a message that if you give us faulty products, you BETTER be ready to replace it or give us our money back.
Shrrriiiiiimmm!
From the article, "You see, these monitors have a habit of just not working. The main problem for most people is the image shown on the screen. For some people the screen will go black for a few seconds every few minutes. But it can get so much worse. Some TVs will just go permanently black with no way to fix it or just plain lose their sound.
The process for getting it repaired is pretty streamlined, but losing access to your gaming TV for a solid week every few months can be pretty annoying despite paying the bargain bin price of $199.
'Obviously these problems eventually got fixed (except for the 3DTV at the moment) but it just goes to show you that the big three aren't perfect."
...so Sony didn't want to fix their 3D TVs. Instead they just marked them down to a really low price. That's shady as hell, in my opinion...
And i,m sorry to say 360 was named as one of the consumer electronic product with the highest failure rate ever.
As a playstation fan, i know how it feels like when someone criticise your favourite brand but if you look at last gen consoles, ps2 also was rushed out and had quiet a bit of issues the first year.
All that matter is microsoft won,t be doing the same mistake next gen.
As a playstation fan(notfanboy), i must say that microsoft s done an amazing job this generation.
Bought the TV in December 2011. During the first 3 months the TV would blackout during gaming about one per day. The blackout would last about 1-2 seconds. Then about 3 months in the TV blacked out and didn't return until I unplugged it and let it cool down. Then the TV worked okay again.
In my opinion I think this is an overheat issue. I think the TV needs an internal fan but doesn't have one. Therefore I try to keep the room cool and keep air circulating at all times. I haven't had an issue since.
The reason I think this is because I've had this issue before on a 250W Sony subwoofer that was insanely cheap to buy. The subwoofer generated an intense amount of heat and was enclosed in a tiny cramped space with small vent holes...no fan. It lasted about a year on half power.
From the article,
1. The Gurren Lagann Game That Killed Computers
- can't comment, don't know much about it.
2. The Great Playstation Hack
- opened up everyone's eyes and made people more vigilant on protecting themselves. They didn't handle it well at first but we need to move on. The service still goes down once in awhile for maintenance, not sure why compared to other online services. Either way my identity wasn't compromised and i got some free games out of it. The downtime hurt some games, namely DC Universe.
3. Wii Updates To 4.2 And Starts Killing Consoles
- heard about it but never had it happen to me. The Wii was easy to crack, much like the DS. Nintendo also doesn't have the experience like Microsoft and Sony when it comes to patches.
4. Microsoft Learns The Early Bird Doesn't Always Get The Worm
- didn't happen to me but my systetm did die and Microsoft wouldn't cover it. There was a problem with the A/V input inside and they said only the RROD was covered for that length of time. Cost me $80. The new slim systems are what the original systems should have been.
5. The Playstation 3DTV Is Cheap For A Reason
- almost bought one but thankfully didn't. They never did market this thing well and the size constraints hurt its appeal.
there s some vids on youtube that shows you what you need and how to do it.
good luck!
Then I had to fight with MS to refund that money when they extended the warranty because they claimed they had no record of me ever paying. It was almost 3 years before they actually sent me a refund and that was after countless hours on the phone being bounced around and hung up on, faxing in my credit card statements to prove they took my money, etc. Every single person I know with a 360 has experienced at least one RROD.
By contrast. I have 2 PS3's, one since launch and I've never had an issue, nor do I know anyone personally who's had a PS3 die on them. Not saying I doubt those claiming they've had issues, I've just never seen it myself.
My launch PS3 went strong until I got YLOD about 8 months ago so I did get a lot of life out of it no question. Microsoft IMO really botched the initial production of the 360s and I really felt screwed over for being an early adopter. Next gen however I will be waiting at least a year before I dive in…
When I see some next gen titles though I'll probably be lining up again LOL
> ALL occur within the last 6-7 years
HOW OLD ARE YOU?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
It really irritates me when some tend to think videogaming started with this gen (or the last two or three).
On the inside, the PS3 slim has newer parts than the fat and should last longer
However, after my Xbox 360 broke after a year with the RROD, Microsoft said that i should send it in free of charge and to my surprise they gave me a newer refurbished console which has worked fine ever since although with little usage ever since.