"Since medieval times, humanity has debated, argued, and sometimes even fought over the eternal question -- which company is better, Sony or Microsoft? Angry diatribes have been written and blood has been spilled, but neither man nor beast have found the answer.
However, each side can score points in less encompassing criteria, and it is on these smaller battlefields that the war is being waged in earnest. One of the greatest war zones, the realm of online services, is the most hard-fought, but it's clear who is winning -- Microsoft. Yes, Xbox Live is blatantly better than PlayStation Network."
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"Before we had Xbox Live, we could only access these features by using our unreliable cellphones or by purchasing and installing expensive, complicated personal computers. Who in the name of Billy St. F**k wants to go through all the effort of spending $5,000 on a computer and hooking it up to a dangerous Internet full of Trojan Worms and Spyruses?"
LOL
I simply use PSN (no +). To those dudes with Live, if you like what you're usin, kudos to you. I personally prefer my online free. And no, that's not a poke a X-users.
"Microsoft stimulates the economy by putting ad banners all over the service we've paid good money for, which is great because of businesses. What's more, it's essential for Microsoft -- how else will it be able to provide Twitter and Facebook without revenue generated by advertising?"
Exactly. Twitter and Facebook access doesn't come free!
A lot of the ads are also discoverable for me, as most of the ads are relevant. There is nothing wrong with curated ad. That is how I find stuff.
In contrast, you pay for cable TV, and get ads and they are rarely relevant.
Live isn't as huge as it is because people care about Facebook and Twitter. Just like only a certain crowd actually cares about optional ads. '
Live is the one of the biggest reasons the 360 has had such a great gen and its also one of the main reasons the 720 will have a great start.
At the end of the day, when I'm on my 360 I'll be on Live and when on the PS3 it's PSN...it's simple as that..nothing more nothing less
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The article's point would have still been made if it had a appropriate title, I don't like articles that fish for hits which undermines the initial perceived point that the title states.
remember Black Ops? :shudders:)
I don't get why M$ makes us pay $50 but then still advertises to us. I notice that a lot of people are less "trollish" and PSN is more private than XBL. Maybe it's just me thinking that....
industry not widespread enough to survive without us
I don't defend companies. I defend my interests, my wallet and a common sence.
if MS or sony wants us to pay than give us a reward system like sony has with plus. Playing online and downloading demos and trailers should be free when sony and Nintendo can do it why MS feel like they can charge plus sit through advertisement
but i guess to each his own.
One thing i will say though is when there are blind fanboy wars going on companies win. when people defend these companies like its a religious matter and they see to worship these companies that's when people take advantage of us gamers.
for once if we all stick together even f we game on different platforms we can actually force publishers to do what is right but that will never happen because someone will defend or love sony and bash MS and same the other way around. You know what's actually funny and sad instead of getting paif to represent someone we actually pay them and than represent them and spread news and other stuff for free so they get 100% loyalty
True Story: I was playing COD with my buddy and his GF on our ps3's, well the verbal attacks on his gf was disgusting. I told them about party chat and they picked up a 360. It really does make online gaming more enjoyable.
All the other bells and whistles doesn't really concern me. Although, I do like the ESPN app so I can finally see some Euro Soccer here in the USA.
Another way is to put the mic volume to 0 and everybody is muted, but than you can forget teamplay and tactics.
Anyways, Party Chat alone is worth the price of admission. An enjoyable online team play experience and the ability to chat with other friends who are playing other games. That's pure brilliance.
Abizzel1,
Dude, nobody cares about the Vita...and I'm sure the ps4 will have it but by than their will be other features to argue about. And the free games on the psn+ is a cool feature, but the games that they're offering aren't even close to my top 20 games to play so I'm not missing much.
PSN & PS+ > XBL
MS has Dorito's Crash Course Challenge for free which is really run, but PS+ offers too much to justify XBL. People complain that PS+ is $50 to rent games, since you don't own them when your subscription expires, but XBL you're paying $60 a year to play the other half you already paid for.
This was a pretty funny article.Some of it was a little offensive but still worth a couple yucks.
@streets
When you mute somebody on Live they are muted permanetely from every game.
@ABizzel
Live has more than just party chat over PSN and the Vita. What about the feedback system, Beacons, custom soundtracks on every game, video chat through Kinect and Vision camera, has more apps than PSN, more content providers,yearly dashboard updates that streamline the content as well as adding more features etc, etc Live is just better than PsN, not trolling it just is.
Oh please, you are making this into a much bigger thing than it is. First, it's not "every game" that you hear people being douches, and it really isn't a hassle to mute everybody if that problem happens. Cross chat is great, but the issue really is that you need to pay to simply access online content. That will always be the problem with XBL.
Paying to access half the game for which you have already paid for along with your internet vs. the benefits of PS+. Got it.
I am not trying to start anything I am just breaking down to the simplest terms the defense that is being used to justify paying for party chat.
I didn't call it a defense, I merely accurately named the way comments are being employed, as a defense. Those days of beating PS3 owners over the head with party chat are long, long gone.
Sure party chat is great i won't lie, but no I won't be paying just to use features that should be there for free or that are. If xbox live was free with the current features maybe I would say yes it is better than psn because it has more features, but you're not really getting what you're paying for, because
- It has advertisements
- Have to have gold for services that you're already paying for (ex. Nettlix)
- To go online you need to pay (gold). You already pay for your internet don't you?
- and more...
Don't be surprised if you will have to pay to play offline games for next gen-xbox
"So it's party chat vs free online with tons of games, add-ons, and discounts from PS+."
Nice try there! The comparison isn't even valid.
If we want to talk about offerings, you should also talk about all the stuff Xbox Live offers includings all the apps that Sony does not, all the demos available for every single XBL arcade game, party chat, beacon features, more streamlined interface, an actual usable browser and so on.
"I am not trying to start anything I am just breaking down to the simplest terms the defense that is being used to justify paying for party chat."
No, you are being biased. When you pay for Xbox Live, it isn't just a single feature or even a few features. It is access to a community. It doesn't matter if something is better, if it lacks the proper community. Google+ is raved at all the time, yet nobody uses it. Everybody is facebook, because FB was careful to build a quality community.
It's not because you can post on walls or some other specific feature.
My answer is, vote with your wallet. Don't like it don't buy it, but don't ruin it for others!
The Vita has custom soundtracks. Its not the online service that makes cross game chat and custom music possible its the hardware. While the ps3 has a total ram of 512mb it only has 256mb system ram. The system ram allows for multitasking features. the vita has 512mb system ram and 128mb v ram. With the smaller OS then the ps3 and extra 256mb system ram all those features the 360 has run flawlessly on the vita. So no xbox live isnt better then PSN, it all has to do with hardware. If Sony had never split the ram in half cross game chat and custom soundtracks would have been possible. And if Sony can shrink the ps3 OS even further then those features would be possible but until then its only doable for the Vita.
Also, you must not have played CoD out of party chat on Xbox Live. XBL is way more abusive than PSN is. I know this because when I play CoD on XBL, I play out of party chat. Being black on XBL is super fun :) .
How does team play come into the picture when you're talking to people who aren't playing the game, plus the people in your party chat are guaranteed to be the person who is at a critical spot at the critical time?
And no, I'm not defending bad speech on either console: if that is what Streets prefers and it keeps him from hearing people he doesn't want to hear then that's that's a good enough reason for him.
But anyone else see a pattern?
X-box fans love to complain that PS3 players "never use mics", but at the same time, I guess everyone who does are douches.
Well, I don't think so. People use mics on the PS3, but people can be douches on any console or the PC.
Actually, I get the least amount of douch-baggery on the PC, and the most out of Live. The PS3 has douches to be sure, most of which came after the price dropped from $600 to the $300 range.
It was so polite when the PS3 was expensive, hardly a jerk around. I guess the $600 was worth is for those three to four years of gaming bliss; which coincidentally evened-out the price of the PS3 to about the same as an Xbox with 4 years of live.
So basically, if someone wants to pay for their peace, then go for it, but at the same time, vote to kick is also free.
"DUMBEST argument thus far. The "community" would also be accessed if they let you play multiplayer games for free. The community IS the multiplayers. DUH."
It is only dumb to people that don't understand and talk out of their behind.
The community is shaped by it's members, and as such two communities aren't necessary the same. It's like saying the hood has the same community as the upper class, just because they are both communities.
I will just chalk it up to you being ignorant.
So yeah, be real!
In my opinnion, there was a time that Xbox Live was absolutely so much better than PSN, and made it totally worth the price. That was THEN.
-You get what you pay for
True, but what happens when the competition starts to give you more for you money? If you pay for PS+, you ge more than what you pay for. I can't count the free games I've had the chance to play, all thanks to PS+
-Twitter AND Facebook
I use neither social networks. I bought my PS3/Xbox 360 for one sole purpose - playing games. If someone would love to have such features on consoles, fine with them. But there are far better places to do these things, like on computers or cellphones.
-PSN got hacked
This is a weak and pathetic excuse. Nothing is hack-proof on the basis that anything engineered can be reverse-engineered. Although I didn't like that Sony kept us out of the loop for a little while before informing us, but they eventually came clean and apologized. Had it been Microsoft they would've done anything to protect their image and reputation.
-Advertising
It's bad enough to have a dashboard littered with advertisements, but it's worse that I pay for Live and STILL get them.
"What's more, it's essential for Microsoft -- how else will it be able to provide great online gaming, as well as Twitter and Facebook, without revenue generated by advertising? There is no other way!"
==How about the usual way?? Charge everyone for playing online??
-It's more organized
Some would beg to differ. The dashboard gets an major update every year that usually changes the UI design. Change is not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't like the new dashboard. If anything, it's like now a mess of tiles that take time to get used to.
-Get Call of Duty maps first
-What got that shitty underwater game once
-It's American
*facepalm*
That may be so but he left out key features gamers care about the most out of the joke. They could have downplayed them in the article. Gamers care about the unified features and that could have been downplayed in the joke to make people's opnions seem like nonsense, like what they're trying to do with opinions or consensus of the two services over all.
The joke was generic and more about hits than comedy
Examples of what should have been in there...
-Use party line with your cellphone, you don't need clan support
-Buying fake cloths with monopoly money, why not play SIMS/ City instead, it's cheaper.
Were they at Gamescom, the story would be different. They care for not much other than the Great American Show, it seems.
Nintendo's absence was surprising, but my best guess is that they're saving the best for their homeland show next month, where Sony will also be bringing games. The answer to the question that needs not to be asked is that Microsoft won't be there, at least not in any capacity relevant to gamers.
You sound like a pretty horrible gamer....
The only games you like are Shooters and hack & slash....and that's pretty much it?
It's you're right to be a horrible gamer, no doubt....
But you sound like a dude bro.
Good luck with that, I guess.
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right now iam telling myself why did i waste my time reading this shit
...................and now iam telling myself why am i commenting this crap
dont jump one me by calling me a fanboi..
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We only have a month until BorderLands everyone hang in there.
Its like a lot of people don't know that Colbert Report is satire and they believe he is a true Republican. So dumb.
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And a funny one at that.
pointless comparison is pointless.
Apple TV in production but the Next gen XBL on the 720 will triumph over what Apple and Samsung will bring.
The other console makers won't even come close next gen.
Mainly software companies will be in competition over the living room.
Samsung is getting good with infrastructure and services for a hardware company taking notes from their buddies MSFT.
The 720 will be the foundation for all MSFT products. MSFT vs Apple next gen for the living room and this is the way the masses will see it and want it, these devices have evolved so much and the market has changed so much being a game console will be seen as a huge added perk/bonus.
Having a game console as the platform for your products and partners is just a valued feature being that's part of a large market on its own.
XBL evolution won't be console service vs console service but software giants vs software giants for the race for the living room.
Adding cross and multi functionality and value/convenience. Consoles will have to be multi media home theater PC's with next gen online innovations and service provider partners or parish next gen.
Disagree I dare you. If you do, you havn't been paying attention and are blind to MSFT not needing to drop the price of the 360 and is favored.
I switched to xbox sometime for m11 and the connection was better. I never got dced like i got on ps3 and the lag wasnt there on the xbox. It was quite smooth. So i decided to go to xbox on madden 12 and didnt regret.
I've also played sfiv on ps3 and xbox and lag on the ps3 is worse than the xbox. Keep in mind that my ps3 and xbox are side by side as well. I believe the ps3 uses a G router while xbox is N router.. I can deal with some lag, but the disconnects was unbearable. XBox, no issues with disconnects.
For me, xbox connection is much better and makes the experience more enjoyable.
I also like the user interface, the lack of long download times for demos, games, updates, installs on the xbox, and how it is easy to navigate.
Only thing i enjoyed from psn was that it is free.
I never claimed it was perfect. I will claim, however, that it is multitudes better than anything that consoles are offering.
And any features that it doesn't offer can easily be substituted by using other software that's freely available (I often use Skype for gaming with friends).
Steam has features like Groups and Green Light, which focus heavily on community. It also helps that most online games on PC allow players to run their own dedicated servers.
Steam also introduced Steam Workshop last year, which makes it incredibly easy to find, share, and download mods that were created for a certain game (if it supports the feature). This means that you can get virtually unlimited content for your games, which would be unavailable on consoles.
Though, to be fair, most of this stuff is thanks to the PC being an open platform that actually allows it's users to do what they want with it. Though, this will probably never be the case for consoles, since their only strong points over PC is that they're easier to develop for because the hardware is consistent, and developers don't need to worry about implementing any form of anti-cheat mechanisms into their games.
LOL, wtf. that was to hilarious
Wow saving 5 or $10, hunting online for deals for live cards, when your saving $20-$30 then it will be note worthy.
It still doesn't change the fact that you have to pay ms a yearly subscription to access stuff you already are paying for. Multiplayer, netflix ect.
Where do you think the vast majority of xbox gamers, buy live points or live subscription cards, gamestops or department stores. Which is almost universally $49.99.
Not everyone will hunt for deals at amazon and other online retailers.
Live has it's strong points, but paying for it isn't one of them.
Defending xbox lives subscription is just stupid.
IMHO I agree with you there mate, the 360 HUD is over the top and comes across childish, PS3 is just plain and simple and straight to the point
And once I'm done with skyrim quests I don't care what mods I miss out on.
lol.. I would say that to if I didn't have them.
I am sure you will buy the dlc and on disk items on may games though. Oh well.
Sorry but this is completely worth it.
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And I like how you talked about the games not not about the service.. So you agree steam is the best because you have non of the things I mentioned ? For gamers anyway.
I get discounts and cloud saving, neither of which is too important to me. I like variety in games, that's what I get. There are a few games I can play all day any day, that's madden and battlefield.
Other games will have my attention but wear out before the end. Skyrim is fun, but I'm somewhat tired of it after 100+ hours and not even doing much in the main campaign yet, just been doing side quests.
I've always prefered gaming on consoles, a tv, the same dualshock controller over anything on a computer. So to me, steam could offer everything and it still wouldn't appeal to me. Don't take this as a bash to steam or pc gaming, I just don't care for either.
Gold Live gives you nothing that you don't get free on PSN or pc, except it does have the advantage in comms with features like X-games chat & such.
But people can argue until there blue in the face that Live is soooo many times better.......but fact is, it's not better at all, as I can get on COD for PS3 & have the same gameplay experience online, same with NFS:HP, etc, etc, plus I get to play Sony exclusives like Resistane 1-3, Unchartered 2 & 3, Killzone 1 & 2, Twisted Metal, Warhawk, Starhawk, & more, as well as get people's maps they've made, or share mine in games like LBP 1 & 2, Modnation Racers, & then theres future releases like Ratchet (gonna be online as well as single), LBP Kart, GOW: Ascention,etc,etc.
I don't pay for either Live or PSN+, & hopefully I'll never have to pay for Sony's online service, even on PS4 (although Sony's massive losses tell me I might have to pay next gen).
I will say I've been tempted to get Live Gold, as making new gamer handles every month, for my free month gets tedious.....but I have & will stick to my guns, as I strongly believe it SHOULD be a free service.
The fact is, in the most crucial areas Live still faulters in the same areas any online service does, as lag/latency still does plague some games & occur in even the best of them, and while that can be the fault of developers, MS should be making sure these developers make the game run at optimum on there service, as people are paying to play these games on Live, so it should have the advantage in the areas that really count, as xgame chat & these non-game related features Live has over PSN, are not charge worthy for me & I'm sure millions like me.
Fact is, Gold users are ripped off in my opinion, as they really are making MS rich for doing nothing advantagious to make there core gaming experience superior.
I would be more inclined to pay for PSN+ & have been, as at least they give + users actual real content for FREE, & not only that, real FREE HIGH QUALITY content.
Thats my opinion & thats the only one that counts.
Disagree away...just stating my opinion. We all know N4G is infested with PS fanboys.
And you think you aren't also a fanboy. You sure as hell cry about them enough.
They were also just stating their opinions, what do you think 95% of the posts on here are. Sounds like the typical they disagree with my opinion, so they must be a fanboy mentality. That everyone is guilty of.
Don't throughout the f term, if your in a glass house also.
Live has alot of good features, but it's pricetag even at $35 isn't one of them.
Just my opinion, but that probably makes me a ps fanboy right, well it's easy to see what you are at least.
"We all know N4G is infested with PS fanboys." Also right.
I don't have to pay anything because I know what a good deal is.
Quit acting like you are proving a point.
People on gaming sites have been taking notice that XBL is not worth paying for when PSN offers so much for free and PS+ gives extremely good value. Regardless of what console they prefer.