According to reports, Sony believes that the PS3 is on pace to beat the Microsoft Xbox 360 in the next-gen console war.
It's going to happen. Sony and Microsft both know it.
Is Howard aware that even though the PS3 sole 797000 units, the 360 sold 1.26 million? are any of you morons aware of that? What a bunch of con artists Sony is, he comes out a month later when he thinks no one remembers and claims PS3 outsold the 360 on Christmas, WOW! and you complete idiots just eat it up as fact, I don't know which is more shocking, this guys lack of integrity, or you guys lack of brain cells.
That PS3 selling also outside USA, not in USA only. =))
Then why did he cite the US numbers only? I know why, because there is no reliable proof or numbers to prove that the PS3 is outselling the 360 in Europe. Also becuase the US market is more important to them, that is why they put Europe on the back burner and released the console in the US first.
and pull your panties out yo crack xbot, this is US sales only, Sony sold over 1.2 million consoles in Europe over xmas, so just between US and EU Sony sold 2 million consoles.
Mr Marbles...typical response from a rabid 360 fanboy...
the PS3 outsold the 360 world-wide since December 2007...that is what he is talking about...he was also merely stating that in the console's weakest territory they saw a 331,000 jump in sales...while there is no world-wide NPD, there are still plenty of retail sector tracking companies that they can look at to correlate numbers...whether or not it is 'accurate enough' for you to admit the 360 was outsold worldwide in the biggest selling month of 2007...is a different story...but it was enough for Sony to address it, and MS to simply keep there mouth shut...
why do you guys always cling to North American sales as if they paint the entire picture?...this guy is fully aware that they were outsold in the United States, but still managed to outsell the 360 everywhere else...and overall...thats all he is saying...
the biggest problem with the article though is the rate at which its outselling the 360...it was by like 100k in December...that is not a rate that will overtake the 360's ~8-9 million console lead anytime soon...that isn't exactly "on track to beat the 360"...
comes to mind. Of course its on pace, just wait til the price drops, and the AAA games come out. You will see PS3 outsell everything ( except the DS of course, that thing is just unstoppable). Dude I will even be bold enough to say that whenn DMC 4 come out this and next week, the PS3 will outsell Wii for 2 weeks straight ( at the least ), maybe even 3 hell who knows, it could be a month. This is just in Japan folks, the other parts of the world I'm not so sure.
How come you only have 2 bubles???? bubble for you!!!
Yeah, let's keep price drops in mind, like when the 360 drops when GTA 4 hits. Remember GTA 4, that title that WAS exclusive to the POS, I mean PS. And as for the woods, too bad for Phony that the woods are very deep...
Did I hear the words "just wait" come out of a PS3 fanboys mouth? Isn't that just the catch phrase? You guys break me up!!!!
It's going to happen, it's going to happen, JUST WAIT!!!! Ha... bunch of Chicken Littles with acorns dropping on their heads, and what is funny is Sony is the one tossing those acorns from the tree! hahahaha
captain...and what makes you think Sony won't cut the price on the PS3 also?...
PS3 at $299-$350 with MGS4 and GTAIV available this spring?...not to mention a far superior late 2008 lineup...you think with an ad like that Sony has anything to worry about?...I don't think so either...
but I have to admit that Sony is just having such a strong presence this new year and we barely started but we have seen a lot of good and exciting things going on with the PS3
this was expected from the verry beginning of the war.. over taking nintendo might become a large problem.. but i personally think.. hell i KNOW sony will beat microsoft.. but we really shouldnt have to get back into this arguement.. tho since my 360 broke for the 3rd time.. i hope they drop the price and fix the hardware B4 Gears 2 drops.. i must continue the fight.. i guess ill get a warrenty this time.. should save me in the long run
just a view of how Sony has been getting a good start this year and has a lot of positive things going for them. Xbox 360 just hasn't showed much to compete with attention. Trust me I am one of the ones who hopes consoles keep getting cheaper. Specialy by the time Gears 2 comes out. I have a lot of payments to make but I have a good feeling for my self this year so hopefully I will have extra money and buy my own Xbox 360. I want the elite, black just looks so much more slick for me.
like this is news....haha jk, but we all knew it, it was only a matter of time. all you have to do is take your time and put our a good quality system and you'll win
The author cut and pasted Sony statements. Stringer has said the PS3 is out of the woods, but did not say anything about beating the 360. The head of Sony Europe said that they will overtake the 360 install base in the E.U. come mid summer, which from sales data is more than likely. Man the way some people distort facts is so lame. I hate people that love to spout half truths.
I still think when Sony gets close either this year or next year, M$ will drop X360, claim victory, and then release Xbox3 or whatever ridiculous name they come up with for it, leaving close to 30 million 360 owners with the "Choice" of quitting gaming or buying the next Xbox. Just like the choice they had last gen.
Microsoft isn't really relevant to Sony this gen any more than they were last gen. The same mostly US Halo/PC gamer demographic who bought the first Xbox are buying the new Xbox. Sony is competing against three things this gen: 1) Manufacturing costs 2) HDTV adoption 3) Some PS2 owners taking a brief detour into Wii land before they upgrade to an HDTV and a PS3 The PS3 is the first Sony console that shipped with a brand new drive technology in BluRay. Both CD and DVD were already established technologies when the PS1 and PS2 consoles were released. As the multitude of news stories about the dramatic cost reductions in BluRay drives and motherboard and chip production have shown, Sony is well on their way of being able to have a constant series of price cuts over the next five to seven years just like the PS1 and PS2 went through on their way down to the 100 dollar price point. For the PS1 and PS2 anyone could walk into a store and get the full capabilities of the console. This is the first Playstation console that really needs a new TV to really make full used of the console. HDTVs are getting down into the 500-1000 dollar range this year so that challenge will rapidly become less and less of a hurdle. It makes financial sense for many PS2 owners without a ton of disposable income for both a 1000+ dollar 1080p TV and a 400 PS3 to stick with their PS2 for the time being and finish their most likely gigantic backlog of PS2 games - and probably a few PS1 games too. The real wildcard is how many of the close to 130 million PS2 owners will pick up Wiis before they make the leap to the PS3. Sony now has some 20 first party developers putting out an even stronger exclusive lineup for the PS3. Sony has more first party developers this gen than both Nintendo and Microsoft combined. Combined with the surprisingly good and frequent PSN exclusives coming out every month or two the PS3 is most likely going to end up having an even stronger library of games than the PS2. When the PS3 passes the 360 in worldwide installed base will be nothing but a minor footnote five years from. Console developers put their support behind the console that they believe will be around long enough for them to maximize their investment in technology. That is one of the main reasons Sony was able to create the largest and most diverse console library ever for the PS2 - developers knew Sony was the console manufacturer that was going to allow them to put out three to four iterations of their franchises over five to seven years reusing the same engine technology thus lowering their development costs and raising their profits. Sony is in an even stronger position this gen than they were with the PS3: * Amazingly reliable hardware * The only console with the next gen HD movie format right in the box * Virtually silent operation * Dramatic graphical power advantage * Greatly expanded exclusive first party developer lineup * The incredible Home online world * Virtually ever developer and franchise that got 130 million or so people worldwide to buy PS2s making games for the PS3 * Rock solid lagfree and free for everyone online service with dedicated servers for all major games * Killer PS3 / PSP gaming and media integration * Easy upgrades with cheap off the shelf harddrives * DLNA media streaming support for pictures, music, and movies It will just as fun five years from now reading all the crazy PS3 articles being written this past year as it has been this past year reading those inane PS2 articles from six years ago.
Was that cut and pasted? Don't see bullet points in forum comments very often.
By the way... "Both CD and DVD were already established technologies when the PS1 and PS2 consoles were released." INCORRECT!
While I think everyone would agree that CDs were established for music when the PS1 came out you're totally wrong about DVD. Most analysts would argue the PS2 helped launch DVD. I know it was my first DVD player outside of my PC. DVD was just breaking out of early adopters when PS2 came out.
Other than that I think I mostly agree with your assessment on an HDTV being a requirement to truly appreciate this generation. I would say that applies to the 360 as well. In my opinion the Wii just can't handle real next gen systems. My Wii doesn't get powered on very often.
"While I think everyone would agree that CDs were established for music when the PS1 came out you're totally wrong about DVD. " I was referring to the newness of the technology, not the adoption of the format. The first DVD player shipped around 1997 and the PS2 was released in 2000. DVD had three years of cost reductions to go through before Sony included it in the PS2.
You make alot of good points. But you are making your judgements from a hardcore gamers standpoint!
Alot of gamers bought Ps2 because of the large selection of games, just as they did with the Ps1. Even though, the Ps1 and 2 were weaker than their competition, they sold great because of quantity of games, low pricepoint and DVD playback.
With this gen, the majority of the people who watch blu-ray movies, already have a stand alone player or a Ps3. Ps3 has quality games, but they don't have the most, which was what gave them a major advantage in the last two generations. They have the most powerful system, but it came with a high price!
The average consumer doesn't know, and really doesn't care about having a HDTV right now, as long as they can play their games. We as Hardcore gamers care about that kind of stuff cause we will buy lots of games, and we know the capabilities of the system we have purchased. Most average gamers buy a console for football, basketball, golf, and a racing game. I have talked to alot of those types of gamers, and they don't care about Halo, GTA, Final Fantasy, Gears of War, or none of those other games, because they buy their console to play games casually.
Sony has to get their main advantage back, which is a large selection of games. They have their exclusives, which is great. But that alone isn't what helped them win the last two wars.
Personal note: There are not 130 million individual Ps2 owners! The Ps2 brokedown on people about as bas as Xbox 360's disc read error problem. Alot of people had to keep buying the Ps2 several times. I know people who bought 8 Ps2's because of this problem. If you want the real number... look for the highest selling game on Ps2, and assume that that represents half of Ps2 owners. If sony really sold 130 million Ps2's, they would have had no problem selling 20 million Ps3's in it's first year, no matter what the price. Which is what they originally thought as well!
I'm not trying to make sony look bad, but I am just point out the truth!
Stopped right there, you already failed.
and DVD was going to be the market standard no matter what Sony did with the PS2. DVD revolutionized Home Theater, and there were many set top DVD players on the market that where cheaper and better than the PS2 for straight DVD playback at the time. Your crazy if you think that sales for the PS2 are what drove DVD to market dominence.
Agreed. DVD became the home video standard because it was WAY superior to VHS for the same price. You got rid of the bulky tapes and instead gave manufacturers a little disk that cost them 5% of the price to produce, and they could still sell it for the same price. DVD did revolutionize gaming for the capacity it offered, but even if gaming never used it the technology would have still been a success.
Well said. Too many here try to lump the casual crowd in with the hardcore gamer. Just because Metal Gear Solid 4 looks like a must buy to us, doesn't mean the vast majority of people will want play it. We have to remember that we are the minority here, and while we are head over heals for a new Halo, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, or Killzone title, the casual gamers only want a cheap console to play some next gen Madden and could care less about Blu-ray and and downloading games. Another thing, as far as the PS2 is concerened, I wonder how many of that 120 million owners are repeat buyers for the slim model PS2?
Good points from the guys above me too.
Keep is short would you? do you think people have the time to read all that babble? geezzzzz...really!
"Sony CEO Howard Stringer is happy go perky when it comes to talking about the future of the PS3. Oh how bright the future is. Talking with Reuters, Stringer says that the "PS3 has now gone past XBox on the Christmas market" and that it is "moving into its own". Comparable to the growth of a tween becoming a teenager or something like that. Stringer then happily proclaims that the "PS3 is out of the woods and beginning to hold its own" when it comes to its competition with the 360. And we just hope that he's talking about Japanese sales numbers, because if he's referencing to North American sales then we'll have to be the bearer of bad news and say that the woods is much deeper and scarier than he thinks. But we'll let Stringer live in his fantasy world for as long as he wants, because he is a CEO. We'll just keep mum and let the numbers speak."
"Microsoft isn't really relevant to Sony this gen any more than they were last gen." - you're serious about that? take a look Dreamcast launched 9-9-99. Ps2 launched a year later. By fall 2001, Ps2 had passed Dreamcast. And the momentum it had gathered was significant. xbox launched a year after the ps2, in the middle of that momentum, and alongside the gamecube; to further handicap the xbox, about 20million ps2's had been sold before the xbox came out. a much different scenario then this current generation, wouldn't you say? Fast forward to now - 360 came out fall 05, ps3 fall 06. at fall 07, ps3 was behind 360 by what? 8 mill? 10 mill? and the 360's sales haven't exactly fallen off a cliff while the ps3's have risen either. and if MS can aggresively cut the price to where ps3 cant match? what then? This time around its alot closer then you've distorted it to be.
2008 is gonna be interesting to say the very least... Can't wait to see what's beyond this year also... as far as beating the 360...that should go without saying. Fanboy or not, you have to see that the potential is only JUST beginning to be realized...and in a major way
AlterEgo... I havent heard that name since Delta Force 2... ring any bells?
Lol, unfortunately not really... *googles 'alterego delta force 2'*
Dang, old friend... hoping you were him. well, you got a ps3?
Yep, 60GB replaced w/ 160GB
you can stop hitting ctrl v now.
Dude its not me, its these double, triple posts that keeps happening since N4G was updated. And I even posted this in the open section (where it came up twice, I take it you noticed.)I didn't even post it here. PS, and just cos I said it 3 times, doesn't mean I hate M$, just some of their practices. (here's hoping this reply only finds you once.)
The only console that can claim victory is the Wii.If MS sells 30-40 Mil consoles ans releases a new one they will end up in third place.
PS3 and X360 were designed to have a LONG lifespan. I don't believe M$ nor Sony would consider releasing a new console in less than 5 years.
the only problem with MS this gen is that they werent able to broaden their fanbase. Its the same people that bought an xbox. However, MS is now making money on the 360 which they didnt do with the original which is a positive sign. The 360 just doesnt have the broad appeal that the ps brand is renowned for. That doesnt mean that the 360 is any sort of a failure, they just need to work on changing their image a bit and they could become a serious contender (I know, I know, I am making it sound like the 360 is dead last, but they will be by the end of this generation).
I expect MS to sell around 30-34 million consoles this gen. That I am pretty sure of due to its lower life span. I cant begin to guess how many Wii's or PS3's will be sold but they will both outsell the 360. By how much is another guess, I guess that I cant really begin to make at this point. However, I can say this: just because MS comes in last for units sold doesnt mean that the "lost". Hell, they have already won. The attach rate is jaw dropping and they are in the black for each console sold.
The PS3 has gotten a lot of flak this past year but expect them to overtake the 360 late late this year or early-mid 2009. WHEN they do all depends on the price and how their AAA games fair.
actually xbox 360 sold better than xbox and has expanded it's base. not sure what planet you are living on, but last i checked, people still buy ps2. so i would say not only has ps3 not expanded, it's actually contracted.
Microsoft didn't start making real profit on the Xbox 360 until around November. I don't even need to go into the money they lost with the 360 brand.
Xbox360 is around 17 million units sold now (not sure of the exact number) which is around 8.5 million units a year, which if you expect a 4 year cycle it would equal around 34 million units. So actually my target is right on. They would have expanded by about 9 million users, not exactly breathtaking when you factor in the fact that they came out super early in order to get market share. Another fact that strengthens my point is that less units were sold in the second year than the first. Expect this to continue.
Of course the ps3 is nothing to brag about either. They are selling the same amount as the 360 as of right now and that can only be considered a defeat by any analysts position. I really really dont understand your point about people buying a ps2. That only shows the strength of the brand name.
I cant understand how some people (almost ALL are fanboys) who think that the 360 will somehow be either first or second this generation. They just dont have the worldwide support they need. Bring up 5 logical reasons that the 360 will stay on top. Instead of asking what planet i am from show me some solid reasoning why the 360 will end up on top WORLDWIDE.
i figured you were on my ignore list for a reason but you must have changed your name, either way time will prove that the ps3 will outsell the 360 and either way talking with a fanboy gets nothing accomplished.
im sure sony will do fine but its still got a long way to go, the real problem for sony is people arnt buying games, and if the trend of people buying for 360 keeps up then why are developers going to bother making games ps3, even wii software sells better and they have hardly any good games, sony fans need to start supporting the game developers before they jump ship.
the ps3 hasnt even been out a year yet in Europe and just 14 months for the rest of the world. It takes time and its not unusual to have a low attach rate within the first 2 years. The people that just bought a console usually dont buy 4 games right away, it usually takes a few months at least to buy the 2nd and 3rd. Expect the attach rate to double or triple this year.
But that's actually false. PS3 and 360 owners buy videogames at identical rates, as evidenced by the 2:1 sales ratio for multiplatform titles; this coincides identically with the 2:1 hardware install base ratio. As Sony continues to sell PS3s at a breakneck pace, the platform will become more and more financially viable for developers, though it technically already is. Quite a few PS3 titles have already shot past the 1 million and 2 million sales marks (not counting bundles).
is cuz the game aren't simultaneously released world wide(eg unreal tournament isn't out in Europe yet and the US install base is only about 3-millon and i'm sure they cant buy all the games i mean ratchet and clank did ok so did COD4 and also assassins creed. I don't think a gamer in the US can afford to pick up all of those games at once) also another factor is the media when u go on the internet u see videos of game comparisons such as orange box and assassins creed which would leave people to believe that they r buying a bad product so it would most likely end up as a pass. But this year should be different seeing as how sony is getting good press and a stronger line up is enough to hold there heads above water and win this war
It's global performance has improved significantly, such that they're now in second place for sales. Now if they can match the Wii's sales performance, I'll be supremely impressed; unfortunately, there's a huge price gap.
I just cant place the Wii in the same race with the PS3 and the XBox 360. Sure its a home console but a lot of the characteristics are way to different to compare so why compare it at all. Price, grafix, technology, just too many things where the Wii is inferior to the other two that I dont feel they should be taken as direct competition. You can tell Wii only sells consoles and games made by Nintendo. For a person who is very familiar with great games and franchises Im sure they would pick a PS3 or Xbox before a Wii. Its not a bad system its just different.
It isn't in the same category as PS3 and Xbox 360, but I like to place it in performance comparisons since I also count the PS2 (which for some ungodly reason is still selling great). You actually make some great points, enough that I might actually reconsider counting the Wii and PS2 in this race...
Now that you mention it the Wii would seem like a better competition with the PS2 since they have very similar technologies. I think the PS2 will make a 10 year life spam and possibly pass it. It still sells pretty well when considering all the bigger competition now available. Its a pitbull.
Yea if you just consider that no major franchise has hit the ps3 yet and it's still outselling the ps3 worldwide. Even though it's multiplatform I think gta is going to boost alot of sales for the ps3.
once on eof the most anticipated games comes out, we will see just how many consoles a game of that magnitud can move games and consoles in america and around the world.
Yes.. jwat... the PS3 is outselling the PS3 worldwide... more HOT news!!! haha... they had to find someone they could beat. I don't even think the PS3 is outselling the PS2 for the year?
the next xbox 3 has already been rumored to be in the works.... some article on ign or 1up said the next successor's games were already in development. I hope its fake news, but last time it was said. BAM! 360 was announced 6 months later. so we have to see.
well I can guarantee the xbox3 is in the works. I can almost guarantee the ps4 is being researched as we speak.
word of advice to MS. make a reliable console so it lasts more than a year and a few days. my PS2 even with its struggles to read my games lasted for 2 and half years over my 360's year and two week lifespan.
Phony really needs to do some reasearch on the PS4 and how to acutally sell a gaming console. Obviously MS will beat them next round, too.
are you suggesting that the only company to sell over 100 million consoles not once but TWICE needs to learn how to sell them??? your stupidity is so astounding it makes my head spin.
I wouldn't expect the next Box til the LEAST, 2010. 2011 is what I'm betting on though. Because first, need to recoup as much loss as possible before even thinking of releasing new hardware, and second they need their manufacturing DOWN next time or they are done. People won't tolerate 2 gens of red rings. They shouldn't be tolerating it now.
Well there is big games and a price drop so the pS3 is out of the woods that is true and this year is big bigger that MC year the PS3 will get all the AAA games it can take and more and next year will be even better but MC has a little game call gears of war 2 an it will be good I hope and i don't think it will see as many as before i personally only like the multiplayer in that game but it could use some work but the ps3 will come on top this year it will even beat the wii good for them.But who will win in the end us the gammers if you have all tree consoles.
The BABOONS will be missing this black bullet train if they don't "Jump out" now and PLAYB3YOND..........HAHAHA BTW i'm posting from my PS3 BABOONS. Doesn't that just make you BABOONS jealous?....HAHAHA
Getting a little senile with age eh? Oh well just keep making computers and softare and you will be fine. Maybe take a break from the gaming industry for a few years and your sanity will return. I can understand my loss of sanity as well if i invented the rrod.
Of course the PlayStation brand is set to take over. It's done that for the past 2 console generations, and it'll happen again. History repeats itself. Nintendo struck a gold mine, but a VERY WIDE, VERY SHALLOW gold mine, that will soon be completely mined out... The PlayStation brand has always started slow, then completely steamrolled over all competition by the end of that generation of consoles' life cycle.
I'm afraid that gold mine is a lot deeper than many people think.
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