The idea that the eventual release of the Xbox 720 could boot PC games may mean big things for the future of Microsoft’s next generation console because this would cause a massive impact on the likes of Nintendo and Sony. The option to expand games would also give the Xbox 720 an advantage to the extent that they would not have to concentrate on new features constantly to remain a competitor with other consoles.
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Even today many PC games are sold quite alot cheaper than console versions. There is no way MS will let go of those royalties.
Selling the console at a loss then not making any money on software doesnt make sense. These are at best rumors to hold people of from buying any other console.
@H3llrais3r
Console gamers dont care about graphics. Hence it wouldnt matter if the games ran in poor quality on the Xbox 720.
if console gamers dont care about graphics, then where did the ps3 vs Xbox360 graphics BS came from?
This could be very possible.
http://www.gamerevolution.c...
Damn you MS, are you gonna call it Xbox 420??
That makes sense. A while back it was rumored that MS was working on a solution that allowed a game from one generation to upscale on a future more powerful system. If the 720 is upgradable, you would need that so that people will be more inclined to buy more modules. Plus the next Xbox will be sold at a profit at launch. Or it will only be priced at $299. It would do volumes for PC gaming though consoles were moving in that direction anyway. I think they are looking to have a eco-system where games can work on the 720, PC and tablets from the same copy. Buy a game on the Windows games store and play it on any unit. It fits in perfectly with those leaked documents.
Microsoft isn't going to allow PC games because, as said, it wouldn't allow them to charge their royalties and with so many multiplats....people would wise up and buy PC versions of games for $10 less and play online for free.
Unless Microsoft makes it so people have to pay just to CONNECT the "720" to the internet....it isn't going to happen. No chance.
If MS is going to have a Steam-like store within Windows 8 and all their future products will be using Windows 8, why is that so hard to believe? Plus look at this article from IGN. Mainly the correction on a possible release date for the 720. MS states that the Fall update will bring new features and one them them listed is Games on Windows 8. There is no reason to believe that can't include PC games.
“The comments to The Verge were not understood in their intended context. When Brian mentioned a ‘new wave of products,’ he was referring to the full lineup of products coming later this year from Microsoft, including Windows 8, Office, Windows Phone and of course our fall Xbox update which will bring a host of new consumer experiences like Xbox Music, Videos, Games on Windows 8 and Xbox SmartGlass.”
http://www.ign.com/articles...
And the game store on Windows 8 will be giving MS the profit that royalties won't from PC games. And digital also means no delivery truck, no disc, no disc royalties, no replication and no master disc. All of which cost a lot of money and eat into those profits.
PC gamers hate GFWL. PC gamers will shun it being pushed again and it will only be given a serious chance on the 360. And at that point, why would you publish it via GFWL for the Xbox?
Then EVERYONE is screwed over; PC gamers either dealing with GFWL or missing out, PC developers getting hit with royalties, gamers paying the mark up from MS's royalties....
NO ONE wins in that scenario.
Either MS hits everyone with the royalties and scuttles everything up....or they don't and it undermines their business COMPLETELY!
What I do think that 360 will be able to run games that you buy from soon-to-surface Windows app market. Games like Angry Birds perhaps?
I say this because earlier MS provided the SW and other companies provided the HW. Now MS is providing SW and HW and competing in the same market essentially making former customers such as ACER, a competitor.
The idea is to win the living room, IF that means giving away XBX3 for free, they'll do it, it's not about HW, it's about software and services, once you invest in the service you'll not want to ditch it anymore
MS is not stupid enough to think PC gamers will pay a royalty. We're talking about two different systems working on the same infrastructure. Windows 8 store on the PC and on Xbox. And phone and tablet people will use the same service. It's no different then you walking into a store and buying a Xbox game or a PC game. It's just a store. The PC maynot be able to play Xbox games, but it looks like the 360(it seems) and 720 will play PC games.
There will be a royalty for console games, but not for PC games. There may be no royalty for console games on the 720. I could see a scenario where MS(and Sony is they choose to)could act as the distributer for the games on digital copies. They then drop the royalty and take the distributors end of the profit.
A deal where MS takes on the responsibility of running the servers, advertising and providing a fee to ISPs for bandwidth in exchange for $15 of a $50 sale would work out just as well for the developer as the current system. If I were the console holders I would even buy titles outright from time to time to package as bundle games. The 360 remained at $299 for all this time because bundled games made it seem like a great deal.
PC gamers would still be able to go to steam or Origin. The Windows 8 store is just another option. Not sure why some think this eliminates all other options. Bundling Explorer made it clear that wouldn't be allowed. The Windows store is nothing but Steam within Windows 8. This is not GFWL.
zeeshan
People that don't want a $700-800 PC would buy the 720 version. Especially if it's upgradable.
inveni0
MS isn't being arrogant. They are trying to compete in a market where every piece of equipment is trying to do every form of entertainment. They're not trying to do anything that different from what Apple is doing. Netflix is making their own programming. Many others are too. Everyone understands now that you have to have you're own in order to compete.
sikbeta
Exactly. Everyone wants to own the living room. Not some of it. All of it. Cablebox, movie player and streamer, game system, music system and even security system.
This is the stupidest thing i've seen all day. So MS is going to let you play your Steam games over 720? Stupid...just stupid.
I bet 3rd parties would LOVE that (not).
I think the person writing this needs to sit down and thing REALLY hard on why such a thing wouldn't work.
LOL! I think MS fans are just too damn dumb.
"COULD" but WILL NOT!
Microsoft is a BIG hassle when it comes to 3rd parties trying to update and provide DLC. They charge you $1 every time you say "Xbox 720"!
Technically it really could, so would PS3, X360, but then we would see the true shitty components that are in the box, newest games would lag and have bad frame-rates even on lowest settings.
This is probably one of the few ways Microsoft will boost the survival of the next xbox into the future generation. Microsoft owns the Operating system Not the pcs that run it, so there is no entitlement really for their software.
And as far as the next consoles holding back pcs, i think it isn't going to really matter anymore when games start running at 1080p native. On both pcs and consoles everything will look crystal clear.
I think Microsoft should focus more on integrating the two more then bridging it old school. It will be something new to see.
that's why I'm going with WiiU, PS4 and PC as my next gen systems.
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Yabhero, I'm not sure how old you are, but I don't think you have a clue on what Microsoft is doing.
No doubt I'll play on a Xbox 720 too... But I don't need to deal with you. Anyone can read your comment and see your a fanboy
I don't own a Vita but the thing hasn't been out for a year yet... It hasn't failed
As for WiiU being current gen... Like I said, those are words of desperate fanboys
-bring on the disagrees N4G
Windows 8 UI is horrible, to me.
I can't stand it, but I haven't used it too much so maybe my first impression is just not good and I need a 2nd try? What ever.
I think I am going to stick with Windows 7 for as long as I can, because Microsoft coerce people into the next Windows, by either fast tracking(ME) or pulling the plug on epic windows such as XP and going by their track record, windows 8 could be the next "Vista"
Getting back to my point..
I know more or less what they are up to here... they want to put their hold on the PC space and while that's not bad... I moved away from consoles because of the exclusivity crap, timed and other wise and I stopped playing Xbox Live because I felt the same experience minus the slick UI could be had else where for free.
Although this could be a hasted decision, I will keep an eye on things from both Microsoft and Valve
I don't want to fear monger anything and I know Valve or Gabe doesn't want to come out and say it, but I think I am seeing the industry start to look at Linux,more and more and if Valve can make that transition happen... oh-man. This could be not only a Titan of a win for the customer, the gamer or whatever you want to be called, it would also be a win for Developers.
Only time will tell, but that's my take on it.
I used to be for this. For Xbox making the transition to PC, but I see it as possibly a bad thing for us people who enjoy saving tons of money on games
and while competition is good.. I wonder if this type of competition would force Valve to mature into a true corporate entity.
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he main reason I enjoy gaming on the Valve platform is because I know they are grounded individuals who interact with the community and don't act like shill-mouth pieces who are mostly elusive.
They're gamers who make games for gamers and they have tons of partners with good games, Steam sales and such..
sorry, I'll shut up now.
ps: inb4 TLDR;
.........that doesn't sound to me like xbox will be holding back pcs. this looks to me like a win win situation. to have a console/pc hybrid would rock!
Also, physical PC game disc are now obsolete and hard to find, not to mention putting homebrew hacks onto a disc thus making hacking in multiplayer games even easier
You can do button combinations with Xpadder.
Ie. Hold LB and press another button.
Regardless no one really wants to do that and ARMA is probably one of the worst games for a pad.
Day Z though, doesn't require so many keys and there isn't a whole lot of gunplay. I find it really suited to a pad.
We're moving into new territory. People have to let go of old issues because they don't seem as much like obstacles anymore.
Its Absolutely beautiful if you know how to set it up properly. I hook my PC up to my TV so thats why I use a pad.
And yes I'm at a disadvantage, but its worth it.
Can't wait to see what the NxtBox has in store for us.
Most PC games does not require anything special since the release of the current gen consoles are holding most mainstream games back. My old gtx 285 had no problems running games. Upgraded to a GTX 670 since I wanted to play on ultra in BF3 without the framedrops ;D
Ontopic: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL I LET ME BE LOCKED DOWN BY MICROSOFT. I own a PC since it is an open platform. I do however also own a 360 and a ps3, but that is only for some exclusives and this is my hobby after all.
Info is on my profile page :d
I basically use it to dl torrents since I have 300 gigs of space.
The next Xbox would have the same problem 6 months down the line. (Probably even before that).
Microsoft is not opening Xbox for PC games regardless though, so it's really quite pointless to think about anyway..
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Come to think of it this article is nothing more than wild speculation, how did it get approved! Should all random ideas be posted, cause I can do that. Apple console to be released next month, supports games from all other formats! Source: cause it sounded cool in my head
You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because the console windows 8 is different from the pc's really has nothing to do with it. It all up to ms and t is possible but there is no way MS would allow this sort of thing to happen. The windows 8 version in the next xbox will be a slim down version of the pc but ms will tailor it to the console. if they wanted to build a console version they very well could if they wanted to but it wouldn't be a smart thing. Do you realize they own windows and can do with it as they please?
Consoles by design do not have interchangeable hardware. If you grab an old PC game and play it on a new PC it runs too fast, if you grab a new PC game and run it on a 1 or 2 year old pc it will likely not reach max settings.
It is impossible to run PC games on a console where hardware does not change.
If they made a console where you could change the hardware out then it would no longer be a console.
Blade Servers have a CPU, RAM and Graphics Card, Mobile Phones do as well. Curiosity also has a processor and RAM, and it may or may not have a Graphics Card, depending on how they handle imagery.
Differently built CPUs are able to to radically different things very well, and perform extremely poorly in comparison with other CPUs in other areas.
Indie games and apps are the only things I see working cross platform.
all free to play games would love to be compatible with xbox...coz they arent pushing pc to extreme..take again the League of legends example is the most played game on pc (also on top of diablo 3).....but isnt this incredible piece of hi tech soft....they could take lots of ppl that dont have pc and they would play and buy thing in lol too ;) (same thing can be said for diablo ecc ecc )
remember that new xbox will share the same direct x with windows 8...soooo everything is possible
someone needs to cut that trailer with the theme of the up coming console war.
next gen has taken so long because ms and sony are TREMBLING in their boots as to what to do next
the mobile gaming explosion, flash games, indie games, steam, huge modding networks, cloud......lol......they are chasing their tails, gaming has evolved so fast and the old dinosaurs cannot keep up
it is amusing to watch them stall though\
kinect and move,,,.....lol.....really.... .stealing nintendos ideas and implementing them worse 4 years later
bravo, bravo
lol
consoles are going the way of the dodo
we won't even need your giant hunks of plastic drm in the very near future
I wouldn't mind playing the 2 or 3 Games for Windows Live games I happen to own on an XB720 in the living room on the rare occasion.
But...
Would the XB720 run a Steam app? Probably not - so much for my 100+ steam purchases. Not to mention my Origin games.
What about PC game mods - unlikely as the first thing you do with a standard platform is LOCK IT THE HELL DOWN! Just ask Sony.
Remember as far as console developers are concerned ALL MODDERS ARE PIRATES...
...even if all you want is hi-res textures in Skyrim.
At least with a PC, even with Windows 8 shoving G4WL down your throat, you can still run other games clients.
I'll stick with FLEXIBILITY.
Then release games on Games for windows so 1 copy will play on all pc's as well as their system.
Canny wait for the nxt 2 yrs!!!!
microsoft has not released a game similar to little big planet. the creativity and possibilities of designing your own games in little big planet is only limited by your time and creative talent.
physical storage devices and hdd will become a thing of the past as the cloud/virtual online storage services takes off. blu rays and game discs will be replaced by mass digital downloads eliminating storage and transportation costs.
xbox 720 will have to pay royalties to sony to use blu ray. sony will have to pay microsoft royalties to run windows 8 on the ps4. windows 8 will be running on both ps4 and xbox 720.
So rather did you know that Sony is building a coke vending machine into the ps4
Anyone who says that is lying out their ass... everybody cares about graphics - otherwise we'd still be playing with 8-bit graphics, on CRT displays...
Ignorant statement.
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