Addict of Fiction's Roque Caston puts Raiden and Snake in a ring, to see who would win.
Snake, Raiden is a bitch.
Snake. Raiden vs Big Boss? Big Boss. Raiden vs Grey Fox? Grey Fox. Raiden vs Ocelot? Ocelot. Raiden vs Himself? Himself. xD
snake vs REX = snake raiden vs 3+ AI RAY = Raiden snake vs RAY = RAY can't remember if raiden beat RAY when controlled by ocelot. Snake vs Big Boss = snake with a lighter Raiden vs solidus = raiden It seems pretty even, although I do remember Hideo saying that Raiden matches/surpassed Snake at the end of MGS2. Snake certainly has more real battlefield experiences but Raiden is a young boy and has way more potential. Not sure how he got his mechanical body though, did he get his ass kicked and needed operation or did he choose to become a cyborg ninja? in MGS4, Raiden is definitely better than snake but I guess it all depends on the situation. Didn't REX beat RAY? RAY was pretty much built as a countermeasure to REX wasn't it? But let's just say 7/10 times Raiden would beat snake
Metal Gear Mark II vs Raiden - MGMII first round KO lol seriously though, snake beat a tank with grenades. WITH GRENADEZZZZ!!! in a face to face fight with no weapons, then snake would win with his cqc skills. Also lets not forget that a) snakes old and dying b) raiden has been modified to no end also snake beat vamp who was very similar to raiden and snakes a badass
If I was playing as snake, then snake will win, but If i was playing as Raiden, then Raiden would win;-)
Ahahahaha... Hahaha... Ha....... Snake
Let's be serious though. The Raiden of MGS4 and Rising can cut geckos with ease. Raiden fought off FROGs without any arms and he beat Vamp. Snake physically cannot do any of that because he is not a superhuman being. Yes, Snake has defeated numerous superhuman beings before but so has MGS2 Raiden. Of course MGS2 Raiden is no match for Snake but Ninja Raiden is a different case.
I get what you're saying, and I wouldn't expect Raiden to go down without a fight. It's just that Snake has proven himself over and over. You know, post MGS4 Raiden might win since Snake's so worn down, but if you were to pit him at the beginning or possibly during MGS1's time, he wouldn't stand a chance.
Railgun, Dead Raiden.
Cyborg Vs. Perfect soldier
just in case any one missed my point
and oh yeah Snake beaten "Null" and he was once said to be a "perfect soldier" with no emotions, and his skills with the sword was top notch and he deflects bullets without the needed assisstance of technological enhancements... But then again Raiden stopped a super fortress/Metal Gear Ray factory, with his feet, sword, and back... I'd go with Snake, he stopped way more giant robots than Raiden, and on some occasions he have prove to be "un-mind-fuck-able". .. so yeah lol
Uh snake, duh. If you save the world twice, I'm pretty sure you could figure out how to defeat some whiny little bitch(yes, even in MGS4).
"Some whiny little bitch(yes, even in MGS4)" That's funny because as I am replaying MGS4, I am noticing a severe lack of whiny bitchiness from cyborg raiden. I am, however, noting a significant amount of ass kicking/ghetto stomping :P In all seriousness though, I think cyborg raiden would beat Old Snake onky because snake is at a distinct disadvantage because of his old age and raidens heavy modifications. That being said, snake at his prime (around MGS1 and MGS2) vs. Raiden at his prime (obviously Cyborg Raiden with all limbs attatched) would be an extremely close fight..
Raiden is a *****, he's still kick Snakes ***. Easily. There's a reason Snake hides and Raiden doesn't/ It's a meh argument anyhow. That is of course, unless you put it in 'Gameplay mode' where snakes is allowed have a health bar and take multiple sword strikes to the neck without his head flopping off. Different story then...
snake was trained by Big Boss, if you know who that is, you would defiantly retract that statement. snake knows more and is more experienced. raiden could not defeat snake in snakes prime. that's like YOU beating Jordan on a 1 on 1.
Snake wasn't trained by The Boss. Big Boss was trained by The Boss, then The Boss died in MGS3 where you are Big Boss.
So what? Also Vashlion, I think Solid snake WAS trained by the big boss. It doesn't matter who was trained by who, Raiden is noted to be as Skilled(notice I say skilled, not experienced) as Solid snake, he then gets his Major upgrades in MGS4 which throw the battle down without question. Raiden has alot of experience too. Although you could argue Snake would have a ray gun, you could easily say the same about Raiden. The only reason people think otherwise is because they ike a character more than another, it's the same stupid argument of Yoda versus Anakin/Vader. Vader was more bad ***...so what? He was still weaker even with his supposed potential which he never reaches.
It would depend on the circumstances. With the correct equipment and tactics Snake could take down Raiden but in a straight face to face fight then Raiden would win no doubt.
At last I checked...Raiden had originally earned the codename "Snake" which means he at least earned the same marks in training. They changed his codename at the beginning of MGS2 because the rumor was Snake was the enemy. Same codename and both have been fighting for over a decade. Raiden was a confirmed child soldier if any1 recalls and was lying about being a rookie. As far as Cyborg Raiden goes... He swings around the Gecko like they're nothing at all and stops Outer Haven by standing in front of it. Seriously, people... We see in the beginning of MGS4 that Snake can't really tango with the Gecko unless he has the Rail Gun while Raiden just stomps them into the ground. Hell, even without any arms Raiden is STILL kicking ass by the end of MGS4 when he fights a small army of Frog units! You may like Snake more than Raiden but the fact stands that Snake wouldn't be able to stand up to Ninja Raiden by those feats alone.
He earned the codename via VR Training from a Colonel who didn't even exist. The whole plot of MGS2 was to recreate the events of MGS1 to condition someone to become Solid Snake... you know, make him as good as Snake (failed, couldn't even break handcuffs). Snake also beat Grey Fox in hand to hand combat. So, yeah, Raiden was never Snake and Snake beat up a Cyborg Ninja already.
I always got so mad knowing snake could eat grey fox in hand to hand. I mean gf can cut bullets in half but cant block a punch lol. I get the chaff screwing up the systems but you'd think making a cyborg killIng machine resistant to equipment ever soldier has would be a priority lol
Snake did beat the Cyborg Ninja but grey fox was going mental at that stage. But I guess it all depends on circumstances. Snake used REX to defeat manned RAY, but Raiden just used rocket launcher to destroy 3+ unmanned RAYS. Raiden also kicked Solidus ass, I guess you can say that Solidus was supposed to be similar to Big Boss. Well could go on forever with but's and this and that but no one will ever be able to have a decent conclusion. Best way to conclude this is that it depends on who the player is controlling.
Physical Strength doesn't mean he isn't as good (even if we are counting that though Raiden still stopped the damn carrier). He earned the code name of Snake from his official training as a member of Foxhound. It happened whether you wish to accept it ot not. He completed the S3 program as well, you know...that thing to recreate a soldier on par with Snake? He did so when he defeated Solidus, you know...that other clone that was the best of all 3 Snakes? As far as Grey Fox goes, he struggles to hold up Rex's foot and, as was said by HKGamer, Grey Fox was going pretty mental. On another note, he left after repeatedly ramming his face into the ground. There's no indication that Snake actually won that fight regardless. Looked like a draw to me. Grey Fox in his Cyborg state was Inferior to Raiden. The technology was more limited and his mind was broken.
but snake have beaten Grey Fox before he even became "Grey Fox"... Big Boss, beaten "Null" and years later Grey fox was beaten by Snake, and seeing that Grey Fox is actually "Null" he then couldn't handle the "mind fuck" that someone that beaten him so long ago hasnt aged and beaten him for the second time, without knowing that he lost to a clone of the only person capable of besting him... "Null" was once considered the "Perfect soldier", a soldier with no emotions or memories of his past, and whenever he was set out to do a mission everyone around him would die, and he questioned "Big Boss"(snake) why wouldn't he die?... simple because he is a badassmutha! Oh yeah, "Null" can deflect bullet and had some superhuman strengths/abilities...
Snake is a OAP,Raiden is a cyber-tranny.Big Boss would kill both of them.
in MGS3, i think Snake could have thrown Big Boss off of the bridge but chose not to. watch it again. maybe i'm wrong but it seems snake has gotten what it take if he tries really hard.
Snake in MGS3 is Big Boss.The person he fights on the bridge is The Boss.
Big Boss will never be able to beat snake. snake beat him with a freaking lighter and a spray.
Well Snake is like 100 years old, so I'm gonna go with the cyborg ninja.
Lol, he's not 100 years old, he's in his 40's. His body is old, not his actual age.
The way he was all creaky and fragile during MGS4, he would definitely lose to Raiden, I mean Raiden was taking out those walkers with no problem.
Snake , Strategy beats everything lol.
Snake would easily win. After all, he's defeated a woman before & I'm sure he can do it again.
LOL! Bubble for that, made me laugh my ass off.
It would never happen, Snake is like a father to him. If it really happened Snake would win cause he got Captain America syndrome which automatically makes him win every fight.
"Hey guys, who would win? This penguin, or this pit bull?!" What sort of question is that?!
Solid snake hands down would win. He is much more experienced than raiden. Even though raiden is part cyborg, snake has versed worse in his adventures. SNAKE!!!!!
Big Boss=SS4 Goku
WTF? Snake would win, no contest..
Kidding. I hate when people say that.
clearly you meant Aquaman.
I don't know why people are making fun of Raiden, MGS4 made him into a badass.
And even before that, despite not being a badass, he still kicked the **** out of everything.
I havent played the earlier MGS games but from seeing MGS4 and his brief info on Rising I think Raiden could win over Snake.
Lets see ... old dude who almost assuredly has emphysema or cybernetic "transgender" ninja? While I do love Snake I have to think "transgender" issue aside, Raiden would wipe the floor with Snake now. Then again, Snake has moxie and that X-factor to him.
I think a better question would be who would win, Solid Snake or Bigs Boss? Both in their prime too. But i think Solid Snake would beat Raiden somehow cause Snake has beaten some impressive people.
That's a stupid question, raiden of course! Anybody that played metal gear solid 4 knows this lol snake had his time! Look how old and tired he he is! He could barely beat ocelot lol
Simple answer to all this. Snake with his infinite bandana would just continue throwing CHAFF grenades at raiden and raiden would just start glitching like robocop did in robocop 2 when he got chopped up he would have cyborg seizures LOL raidens cool now but regardless snake is just the ultimate bad ass. Plain and simple.
well snake already fought grey fox and won, so.....
But snake is old...so Raiden.
Well considering snake is the game hero ofcourse he would win. But if u wanna pretend for a sec that its realistic it would be raiden for sure. That fight with raiden and vamp was epic. Snake woulda threw his back out tryin to pull off those moves.
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