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Source 2: it’s time for Valve to drop the baby steps

VG247: Valve was rumoured today to be working Source 2, a brand new version of the studio’s bespoke game engine. Dave Cook looks at the benefits of a serious tech leap instead of the company’s normal increments, and what it could mean for the reveal of Half-Life 3.

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JONESY61451d ago

A Half-life 3 launch on the source engine would be extremely disappointing. Every year without any news of HL3 the more expectations the fans get.

Its fine to spend time on a game to make sure it's good when it gets released. But waiting too long might make fans have unrealistic expectations. Just look at Duke Nukem Forever.

aliengmr1451d ago

Yea but Duke Nukem was never in the same league as Half Life.

HL3 needs to be on Source 2. Source has been great over the years but Portal 2, though great, was showing its age. That's fine, but this is HL3.

inveni01451d ago

I feel confident that Valve is saving Source 2 for HL3. Half-Life and HL2 were graphics-defining games in their day. They were easily the most beautiful shooters available to the mass market. Surely Valve wants to keep that trend. But with competition from Crytek and other graphically compelling studios, Valve's door to amaze us may be closing fast.

Perhaps they'll launch with the new consoles?

morganfell1450d ago

From the article:

"Rather than slam Valve’s lack of Half-Life 3 communication, gamers should relish the fact that it could launch on the next-generation of the studio’s tech. It’s been a long wait, sure, but do you want something cobbled together on the Portal 2 version of Source, or do you want a game as innovative and mind-bending as Half-Life 2?"

This.

I applaud Valve for going about their business and not bending to the press, whether it is the egoists at IGN, or some fly by night kid in his parents basement hammering away on his self righteous know it all blog.

The hell with these so called journalists who think they has some sort of divine right to direct the course of game development including when and how a company releases information. I just want to step on the necks of these children every time some company stonewalls because their tech and business is on the line and a little mealy mouth reporter throws a fit (Kotaku) and begins forecasting the impending doom of said company.

I am glad to see VG24/7 actually respecting Valves measured pace of development.

Gaming1011450d ago

The source engine is really dated, looks like slightly beefed up ps2 and xbox games at this point, has anyone played the Orange Box lately? Portal 2 had ingenious game design but the graphics left much to be desired, everything was drab and boring, a ton of browns and greys and not much else for 99% of the game or so (in terms of environments).

The engine needs to be able to push better textures given the next generation is just around the corner, Source 2 is a must for the next half life, which will either be HL3 or Episode 3, but quite frankly the wait has been so incredibly long I don'y see Episode 3 being all that relevant at this point given the small number of people who actually played all previous episodes and HL2 - relatively speaking.

aliengmr1450d ago

@morganfell

You have a point, but Valve hasn't even confirmed HL3 is being worked on. In fact, many would prefer it if Valve said it was cancelled, at least then we would have something. Valve is a "black hole" when it comes to anything related to HL3. Aside from some outdated concept art, I'm not aware of anything. We can't really even speculate what HL3 will be about since it really doesn't exist in the first place.

I commend them on controlling the leaks but it would be nice to know I can actually anticipate the release.

xAlmostPro1450d ago

@Jonesy6 & @Gaming101

You guys do realise that Source 2 would be a NEW engine right?..

Also to @Gaming101 specifically. Source looks like a beefed up ps2 engine?..

Portal 2 looked brown and gray?.. did you even play it?.. Portal 2 looked fantastic. Unless maybe you only played the 360 version. How can it be dull brown and grays when the portals are bright blue/orange and walls in most levels are covered in white?.. with red lasers etc.

CommonSense1450d ago

i would prefer it that half life 3 (and all other games) never get mentioned til 6 months before launch. we are too entitled, as consumers. and frankly, i find it annoying hearing about a blockbuster more than a year in advance.

the publishers/developers don't owe us anything.

meetajhu1450d ago

Dota 2 runs on Source Engine 2 but has pre-baked lighting.

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ATi_Elite1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Ummmm Half Life is NOT Duke Nukem Forever and should NEVER be in the same sentence as Duke Nukem anything.

I understand your point but If you had HIGH expectations for Duke Nukem Forever then I feel sorry for you!!

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Source Engine 2 would be nice but Valve has said that the Source Engine is fully capable of being upgraded to whatever they need. "Portal 2 PC" looked great and I'm sure more bells and whistles will be added for Half Life 2 Episode 3!

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1450d ago

The best part about source 2 is that it will be open to the player to make games or movies!

Ducky1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

Don't see why a new engine is necessary.

If it's visuals, then there are games like DearEsther that show that Source can still output amazing visuals (and it is quite optimized)

There really aren't many (any?) inherent problems in the engine that would require a new one to be made.

SilentNegotiator1451d ago

"There really aren't many (any?) inherent problems in the engine that would require a new one to be made"

How about the fact that it flips crap if you try jumping on a platform that is moving vertically? I've seen many people die in L4D because they jumped and fell through the elevator. (and sure, jumping in elevator in L4D is arbitrary, but that doesn't make it any less of a flaw in the engine)

And it's not just L4D. Even the Source games where you don't go through elevators, it seems to have issue keeping players in proper position when trying to jump.

Source absolutely has fundamental issues to iron out. It's a great engine, but it has been around for a long time; it needs to be succeeded eventually, and it's always nice to see sooner than later.

VanDamme1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

So you're saying as long as there aren't many issues, no one should progress and make a new engine?

Totally agree. I haven't upgraded my computer since I got my SNES emulator working.

Ducky1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

^ The question is, what progress would a new engine make?

The current engine is optimized, runs across a wide spectrum of hardware, is capable of impressive visuals, and has a physics engine that can still hold its own.

Without any real improvement, a new engine is a waste of time. It's like buying a new computer with identical parts as your old one. A new computer in itself is meaningless if it has no advantages over the old one.

@SilentNegotiator

True, the elevator in L4D (specifically NoMercy) is more lethal than any zombie in the game. The glitch was cause mostly by the way L4D1 implemented elevators rather than the engine itself. L4D2 didn't have the problem (AFAIK) with the elevator in HardRain.
I don't recall anything bad happening in Portal either, which features a lot of elevators and platforming.

I haven't encountered (or heard) of people having positioning issues when trying to jump. If that was actually flawed, then CS:S and TF2 would've died long ago.

Then again, Valve seems to trying to look for any excuse they can to delay HL3 and just slap a '2' on existing work. So maybe Source2 is going to be their new project. :D

Grap1451d ago

no engine can survive 2 gen in row source engine not only its last gen engine it's engine was created with PS2 and Xbox in mind.

Ducky1451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

No engine can survive 2 gens? Tell that to idTech3

xAlmostPro1450d ago

Source was not created with consoles in mind at all. It was created with valve games in mind.

You do realise this is game engines for a company who make PC games priority first right?..

Farsendor11451d ago (Edited 1451d ago )

and diablo 3 but yes duke is no half life

t0mmyb0y1450d ago

You are obviously a young person. haah. There's a big difference between DNF and anything Valve has made. I'm actually surprised you have that many agrees. Definitely show's your age group :D too***

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Hufandpuf1451d ago

What was Portal 2 running on?

FarCryLover1821451d ago

Source. Same thing Half-Life 2, L4D, TF2, etc. ran on.

Hufandpuf1451d ago

Oh ok, I thought it was on Source 2, but it was just a modified Source engine. thanks

Pandamobile1450d ago

Every game Valve has released since HL2 has been a different modification of the original Source.

Valve tailors new engine directions to suit the games they're trying to build. The L4D/L4D2 builds are quite different from the Orange Box build. Portal 2 is quite different than Team Fortress 2, etc.

Mythicninja1451d ago

So now the team working on half life : black mesa can restart all their work, to the new engine, and still never release the game

mynameisEvil1450d ago

You know, I had a friend who was one of the first guys on the team, who's still involved with the development (of course). I asked him how much longer before release, he said, "Oh, we're just putting some finishing touches on it. We estimate it'll be out in December."

Now, you may be thinking, "Wow, now we have a pretty good idea that'll be out in December of this year." NOPE. He said this LAST YEAR.

Yeah... that December 2011 release date worked out spectacularly, didn't it? Now we're 8 months into the next year and all we've gotten was some screenshots. You know, I really wouldn't be surprised if they're waiting for Valve to announce HL3 before they release the game, just for it to fit the whole Half-Life waiting thing.

So, in conclusion... it'll NEVER be released.

azshorty20031451d ago

I've suspected for a long time that's what their plan was. Once HL EP3 development hit the 2 year mark, I thought there could be no rhyme or reason for that kind of development time other then Valve building a new engine and making it HL3.

But even still, after all this time, both should've been completed.

lonesoul651451d ago

I agree...though when you make 10 times the money you ever made running a game service...i think it hurts your drive a bit.

xAlmostPro1450d ago

Why do they need EP 3 if they can create HL3 with extra episodes for that title?..

user54670071451d ago

It's funny this comes out a fews days after the article...

"Who Sony’s Special gamescom Guest Could Be"

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Gabe...no....no he wouldn't.....would he ?

No one was expecting the Portal 2 announcement...just saying

CashColeTrain13371451d ago

It couldn't be Half Life 3 though because they need to release Dota 2, Counter Strike GO, Left For Dead 3, Dota 3, Team Fortress 3, Portal 3, Team Dota, Counter Portal, then they can talk about Half Life 3. And we still won't see anything.

bambooman5841450d ago

Why would any of these take priority?

annus1450d ago (Edited 1450d ago )

Edit: I made a derp. Still don't believe Valve would announce a game with this much hype/wanted through Sony though.

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