Hideki Kamiya: PlayStation All-Stars is “just a rip-off”
Bayonetta, Okami, and Project P-100 director Hideki Kamiya has been sharing a few thoughts about PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale on Twitter.
(PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale, PS Vita, PS3)
Exactly. Who cares if it's derivative. I would think fans of smash who are also fans of playstation games would enjoy playing with some of the characters in ps allstars
If it is a rip off, then P-100 is a rip off of Pikmin, Bayonetta is a blatant rip off of God if War, and as said before, every game in every genre today is a rip off of a previous game.
I dont disagree with you, pedrami. The game clearly takes inspiration from SSB, that is undeniable. But, a rip off would imply that the game is in any shape inferior, and that's not necessarily the case. Does it copy the core structure? Yeah, sure. But the way the game plays is fundamentally different, and IMO, this is something you need to try to really understand. I've played the beta a lot, I've talked to a lot of SSB fans, die hard fans, who have agreed that the game is a lot of fun and much more in-depth than SSB. A lot of people in the beta are surprised at how strong of a game this is, regardless of the similarity of the structure.
Not saying one is better than the other, but Superbot have done a good job making the game fun and making it its own thing. If people can't get past the idea of Sony copying the concept, then that's their loss, but I think anyone with a passive interest in Smash or games in general could at least give it a try.
I would just say it's inspired cause a rip off would be like an exact copy which this one seems to be adding elements from SSB and also adding some new elements that will make it pretty fun.
Bayonetta doesn't rip-off God of War. I consider them to play completely different. Bayonetta is a complete carbon copy of Devil May Cry just with a new coat of paint. But Bayonetta's creator is DMC's creator........so can a guy rip himself off?
Everything is influenced by SOMETHING. Very few things today can be completely original in any field. Even DMC wasn't the first 3-D hack n slash, I'm sure. I bet it took alot of influence from a game like Nightmare Creatures. ANd that was influenced by something else.
Its just like all other fighting games...without getting into it very deep, street fighter, tekken, and mortal kombat are all pretty similar. Super Smash bros is a pretty unique and fun fighting game and imo there aren't enough games like it. I will probably get Playstation Allstars because i love super smash bothers and would love the same experience with some of the playstation characters i grew up with.
Its fine to call Tomb Raider a rip off of Uncharted even if it came out before but calling Playstation All Stars a SSB rip off is blasphemy ...
And how on planet earth do you consider Bayonetta a rip off of GOW ?? In that case Killzone is a rip off of insert-random-fps-here and Gran Turismo is a rip of of whatever-sim-came-out before and like others said above GOW must be a rip-off of DMC and so on and so on.
Post 1.1 is right, it IS a rip-off but that doesnt mean it sucks, it just means that ... well its a rip-off.
It's NOT a rip-off because it has its own gameplay mechanics and rules. Maybe if it played exactly the same. But it doesn't. It simply uses a similar formula.
Is every 2D fighter a Street Fighter rip-off? And how much did people bitch about that? Exactly. Is Forza a Gran Turismo rip off? Is Castlevania:LoS a God of War and SotC rip off? Is Mega Man a Metroid rip off? Is Super Mario a Pac-Land rip off on shrooms inspired by Alice in Wonderland? Is every modern FPS a rip off of each other? Is everything with similar gameplay a rip off with no merit of its own? Of course not!
Is only Nintendo allowed to make 4-player brawlers? Oh wait, no they're not: * Jump Super Stars * Digimon Rumble Arena * Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion * Battle Stadium * Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble * DreamMix TV World Fighters * Rag Doll Kung Fu * Power Stone * The Outfoxies * Nekketsu Kakutō Densetsu (Kunio Kun)
This is only an issue because it's a PS3 exclusive and the fanboy haters can't take it. Does it borrow a lot from SSB? Sure it does. Does it have it's own original characters, rules and gameplay mechanics? Yes. So give credit where it's due.
This is a more shameful rip-off than most though. This is exactly the same concept, and looks to be attempting a very similar execution. From what I've seen, it'll never live up to Smash but I hope I'm proven wrong. I thought Sony were about innovation though, but they have ripped so much from Ninty this time
it may be a rip-off, but i would never know because i haven't played a Nintendo system since i was 10 (now 30) and by the looks of things never will again...i like systems that actually push technology
I thought we were all passed this rip-off BS. Yes, it borrows heavily from SSB, get over it. Can't we just give the game the benefit of the doubt for now?
We can give them more than the benefit of the doubt-- those who have played it love it, myself included. Superbot has something very good going here, and very different where it matters most: the core gameplay and the way you play.
The fact that its a ripoff(which it is) shouldn't bother anyone. If the game is good and different enough from SSBB, people will buy it. Simple as that.
this is retarded it looks bad on him as a developer every game out there has rip off each other lets see the first adventure game and soon others followed the first rpg and others followed the first 2d fighter the first First person shooter and other genres
i remember playing mario 64 the first time which i believe was the first 3d game to come out and than many others followed because of its amazing gameplay
so isn't everything else that came after sort off like a rip off also there has been many developers who ripped off smash brothers fighting genre but i havent seen anyone bash them but because sony is doing it now all of a sudden is a big deal
Well, I've played Brawl to death and back now, and Nintendo isn't giving us a new Smash Bros. anytime soon, so All-Stars it is. It's kinda plain and simple.
I can't wait for this bloody game to release so I can visit n4g without seeing crap articles about this being a rip off and characters that should be in the game every day. I'm so sick of them.
Nintendo fans don't want to embrace the idea of Nintendo learning something from all stars but they better. Because if there's one thing that Nintendo will learn from all stars is how to structure the online multiplayer.
And that in my opinion will be an improvement that will benefit fans of Super Smash Brothers.
So because Nintendo made SSB now no ne else can try to make their own version with a different twist
Than a lot of games are rip offs
Bayoneetta rip from DMC GOW rip other hack and slash
Give me a break all stars while takes sme things from SSB it's also doing newer things and Nintendo needs to take nice on how a online structure will work since wii u version of SSB will have a heavy online component
In SSB your goal is to stay on stage In all stars your goal is to fill your special meter to knock someone off
And before N made SSB there were their games so N ripped them off too
Enjoy the game and give it a chance everyone who has played it love it so why not wait for a final release and Than We can decide
So much hypocrisy amongst fanboys Remember when fanboys were so quick to claim that everything was either an Uncharted rip-off or a God of War rip-off???
Games they claimed were Uncharted rip-offs: Far Cry 3 (not even in the same genra) New Tomb Raider Adventurer (not even in the same genra)
Games they claimed were GOW rip-offs: ANY AND ALL Hack & Slash, even if it plays completely different.
Now they're flip-flopping their position when the table's been turned.
Suddenly... "every game out there has rip off each other" and other hypocritical justifications.
Wow I used to have a lot of respect for him but from those tweets he seems to be acting very childish not a very good image. Either way PSABR is a good game and I'm enjoying the beta so far.
He was being childish in not even giving it a chance and it is not a rip off a rip off is when you copy everything exactly. Play the game it feels nothing like SSB.
Another reason it came off childish is how absolute he was, only a closed minded person acts that way. Also lets not forget he is currently working freelance for nintendo of course he's gonna hate a PS3 exclusive, and he didn't even bother porting Beyonetta to PS3 him and his team just handed it over to Sega.
^^Ummm..when did I say I played? The games CLEARLY a rip-off to anyone with half a brain and eyes. Whether it will be good rip off or a bad rip off is yet to be determined. Whether or not I enjoy the game when I play it this fall is irrelevant, the game will still be a rip off in my eyes.
"LogicLoses"
WOW..how original! How long did it take u to come up with that one?
The way in which rip-offs are referred to these days is terrible. It's like no one understands how genres have evolved and diversified. I'm sick of this attitude.
Killzone was created by Sony as a competitor to Halo. They are both first-person shooters, but are fundamentally different in gameplay, story, style etc. So Killzone is not a rip-off of Halo, and if you blindly come back at me saying "yes it is", then you are closed minded and actually lack logic.
The same goes for PlayStation All-Stars. The concept and genre (like FPS example) is the same but the execution, style, gameplay and goals are different. So it's not a rip-off per se.
I'm a HUGE Killzone fanatic and I don't see Killzone as a rip-off to Halo at all because it does enough to differentiate itself from Halo and every other shooter on the market.
PS All Stars is different. 3D cartoonish character models fighting on a 2D plane trying to build up super meters for more powerful attacks to vanquish their foes. Backgrounds consist of environments respective to the characters in the game.
SAME thing as SSBB. Killzone does much MUCH more to differentiate itself from Halo than PS All Stars does to differentiate itself from SSBB. Bad analogy.
And another developer added to the long hate list of Sony fanboys for speaking the truth rather than kissing up to Sony. And he wasnt even dissing the game, just stating a pretty obvious fact, well not that obvious I see for some people.
Its a rip off is the first thing most people thought, admit it or not. Lets just wait and see how good it actually is. What makes Smash such a good game is the amount of content. Nintendo has some real history that most people arent even aware of. Smash is like a museum of nintendo history.
@Logicwins But he wasnt telling the truth, its not a ripoff, the only similarities the games share is the presentation. The actual gameplay is completely different. And not all of the chracters are cartoonish for example: Cole, Drake, Kratos, Sweettooth, Big Daddy, Heiachi. @Superlupe I dont think you even know what the term truth means do you?
I expected more from him, specially when he has never played the game. The exchange of messages he has with his twitter fans is even worse. When they corner him he responds with: I don't like rip-off. That's all. =/
I wouldn't take his tweets so seriously. 90% of them are him joking around rather than giving serious replies. I think people are overreacting. I mean, look at this.
I would say a univesal trophy system tacked on after the ps3 launch is more a blatant rip off of microsofts achievement system. Sony is known for borrowing whats popular at the time and adding it in. This game, trophys, move are all rip offs of other ideas. Psn when it launched is another blantant rip off of live and sega who came together to create live. Im not sure sony even counted on online play being popular as again it didnt come out till ms made it popular on consoles. First mmo on consoles was ms. First cross platform game with pc and consoles was ms and shadowrun. Ms has innovated so much this gen while sony keeps borrowing. Im not saying all ms innovations are great as im not a fan of kinect but at least they are trying and still supporting it unlike sony who keeps removing features since launch and ms keeps adding.
Jazz you also know that FF13 was on PC/ps2 right? Before the invention of the 360.
i swear you can't believe everything you just typed. Im ot saying PS is original but you list of nonsense is exactly that. Did you research anything while doing that?
Achievements have been around in game for awhile so yes making them universal isn't some super crazy idea just moving forward.
i also agree with below sega deserves more credit. So making a Universal Online system for video games which have been played competitively thru the outlet they have had at the times(Arcade,side by side,LAN, Online MP) is copying? lol at you jazz LOL at you.
To add i had motion controlled golfing on ps2 i have also had motion contorl controllers on PC long before Wii, kinect or Move so im not sure what you even mean.
Look at wiki before you go on a tangent to prove to everyone you have no idea what you are talking about.
I find it hilarious that he calls out Superbot when project P-100 looks like a ripoff of Pikmin but i bet it plays completely different. Just like pasbr plays different from brawl plus the controls in pasbr are actually tight and not a float fest as in brawl that game was such a nose dive from melee.
Think its just a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
@Lordme:The answer is simple if your sony dev you cant win the media will bash you regardless what you do. Suckerpunch changes Cole in infamous 2 fans outrage, Suckerpunch goes back to old Cole media rages cause of artistic integrity. Simple you cant win in the media so just go and please your fans and fuck the *gaming journalists* hahahaha.
Battle Royale imitates Brawl Okami imitates Zelda Bayonetta imitates Devil May Cry P-100 seems inspired by Pikmin (not sure how similar it actually is though)
He of all people should realize that taking cues from successful franchises to create a brand new experience is nothing to be ashamed of.
Did this guy let his eight year old son tweet on his account? He comes across as immature. Someone should tell him to shut up. We care what he thinks why? I sure don't. And Bayonetta sucks. There you go brat, I can be immature to you too.
Exactly why are you and half of the other commenters here so threatened by what he said? How is he being spoiled by acting so candidly?
It's not exactly like what he said was inaccurate. Playstation All-Stars is pretty derivative in nature. There's not much doubt about that. Am I being a spoiled brat by saying that it looks like a watered down Smash Bros. game? That's just my opinion and apparently his too. Sorry you're so offended?
Who gives a crap what he thinks about the game? Why is he tweeting about it? He should keep his big nose out of it. His replies to people on Twitter make him look stupid too. I don't care if the game is a copy. A lot of games are copies of other games.
I think it's funny... Sony fans screamed for this game, they wanted a Sony Smash Bros game... Sony makes it, and the media is all PO'd about ripping off.
Sony gave the fans what they were asking for. I am glad they listened.
Look, I like his work...but Bayonetta basically rips the core of Devil May Cry right from the code-bank. Sure, he may have created that too, but he's still just marketing a white-wash improvement of the same game.
P-100? Looks to borrow, heavily, from Pikmin as well. Sure, there are unique aspects to it, but the fundamentals and core gameplay are there as well.
Furthermore, Kamiya has already stated he hasn't even played PSASBR. It can often make sense for someone to condemn a game at a glance, but for a developer to do so without having much to go on other than what he's read/seen while having not even played the game? That's simply unprofessional and has me questioning further purchases from his studio.
I addressed exactly that which you're arguing against in my original post, so you're coming off a bit redundant.
The moral of the story is that anyone can make an argument that every game is, in essence, a ripoff of something that came before it. For Hideki Kamiya to condemn a game he hasn't even played, however, is simply ignorant. It's one thing if he's not interested, but to use his opinion to drive misinformation, he comes off the fool.
Are you saying this after having playing the game with an open mind (Not going in with low expectations & making sure they are met,,,, Not comparing it to SSB at every turn) OR are you just talking out of your @$$ like most people do who say the exact same line after seeing 5 screen shots & hearing it's a cross-over fighter?
Yes they got the idea from Smash Bros but it is nothing like Smash Bros. Playstation All-Stars has a different scoring system, totally different fighting style, completely different way to get your super, plus you have 3 different supers, in Smash Bros you only had 1.
Capcom did make cross-over fighter for the Ps2 a while back but it got canned. Square-Soft's game Ehrgeiz: God Bless The Ring, A Playstation exclusive game to feature the first crossover fighting everz!! Well i don't know if ever but definitely a year prior to Nintendo's Super Smash brothers. Anyways Squaresoft, now known as Square-Enix (of which Sony own %9 of) made a cross-over game before Nintendo. IF anything,, It's Nintendo who ripped -off Sony lol jk JOKING don't bubble r@pe me lol
See Mr Hideki what's-UR-face i can say stupid crap too whoopdee-f**king-doo. I think i'm gonna tweet this.
What, will Nintendo give everyone a million dollars each if they say that PASBR is a rip off a hundred times or something. No one was concerned about Soul Caliber and Tekken being 'rip offs' of Battle Arena Toshinden back in the days and that seems to be all that people care about these days. No one cared how many music games were copied from Singstar, Dance Dance Revolution or Parapper and played Rock Band and Guitar Hero without blinking an eye. People are enjoying it and only the idiots seem to care what it is 'copying'. Everyone keeps saying 'I'm just saying the truth' but you said the 'truth' a already. We heard all of you the first million times. I mean okay even Superbot has admitted they took cues from SSB. What else do you want? Blood?
It's quite easy to lose a bubble. Just say something "bad" about Forza 3's install and you are bound to lose one.
This site went apesh*t the moment F3's install was announced and my god people were bubbleraped here just for saying it's funny F3 went with an install after MS "giving their fans the choise" of no HDD with the core model. After all the laugh from the x360 camp about PS3's mandatory installs MS went and released a game like F3. That was too much even fro the mods here, They marked comments (legit ones) fro trolling left and right.
It was fun to see it happen. I read the comments a while and went on to do other things and came back after a couple of hours and updated the news. My god some users lost like 2-3 bubbles and they were all marked for trolling. I wish I had the energy to look the artickle up and put a link here if you don't believe me.
@smash
You nailed it. Agreed 100%. Noone will ever say this game doesn't BORROW ideas from SSB but to say it is a ripoff? Really? People don't seem to know what being a ripoff means.
I for one think its great because super smash bros is a stellar title, and its great playstation owners are getting a game just like it.
And if all stars is a rip off of smash bros then
Every fps is a rip off of doom, Every car simulator is a rip-off of gran turismo, Splinter Cell is a rip off of Metal Gear Solid, Quantom Theory is a rip off of gears of war and create is a rip off of littlebigplanet.
Actually, that'd be Maze War, but your point still stands. Also, Create is more like The Incredible Machine than LittleBigPlanet.
The bottom line, we can all draw comparisons to previous entries in the same medium, but the lesson here isn't about that. It's about a figure-head from a widely regarded company, condemning a product he has never played. That's simply poor judgment on his behalf.
Well in the world of stupid it is according to everyone here.
Splinter cell 2002 Metal Gear solid ps1 1998
So it must not be original at all and a complete ripoff i mean it has shadows, stealth action gadgets.
Its a pretty dumb way to think i grant you that but according to some it is a blatant rip off and should be brought up that it is whenever comparing the value of the game. You know since as gamers the value of it's game is the perception of it more so then the game play of it.
People are dumb.
To cover my A** i do not know when the first tom clancy splinter cell book came out nor do i care to look when i was playing MG on nintendo back in the day to compare,
I believe that by this guys guys logic alot of other games are rip offs. I dont s the problem of taking a concept and taking it to the next level like how Unchartd took the Actin adventure genre to the next level with obvious influence by Tomb Raider.
How is Nintendo attacking PAS:BR when Kamiya is a third-party developer all on his own? As Kamiya would say, "use your brain." Jesus. I'm out. Some of you guys can continue your console wars bs if you like.
I know he is expressing his opinion, but they guy almost sounds unprofessional just by saying that.
Before byonetta or whatever its call, there was otagi for the xbox.
Before vigilante 8, there was twisted metal.
Before saints road, there was GTA
And before forza and shift there was grandturismo.
dead to rights, stranglehold
Battle arena toshinden, bloody roar, soul calibur, virtua fighter and dead or alive take your pick mr hideki because according to your tweets they are all rip-offs.
The buzz surrounding this suggests it wont be a smash hit. Terrible joke aside, their really doesn't appear much buzz for this game unless the amount of N4G comments does end up reflecting the buying public? it seems a bit divided even here though and it will be interesting to see if people actually buy this in droves
i'll get the 20 disagrees here but i don't care. I played the beta and it was just ok. It's not baby jesus by these folks on heres standard. It trys to be smash brothers which isn't a bad thing but being a smash brothers fan the controls don't respond the way i wish they did. It's only a beta but they have alot to do yet...... It is trying to be smash brothers without a doubt.
Well, I think it's easy to say you'll never see any of his characters in this game. Maybe this has to do with that rumour of DmC Dante being in PS All-Stars instead of HIS Dante.
Everyone deflects his statements by attacking a game he worked on and saying that game is a ripoff. Real mature N4G, stay classy.
Ripoff comes around as such a bad term, but Sony itself is using Super Smash Brothers as its only tag for the Youtube page to advertise PlayStation All Stars, that I feel is wrong.
Now doing a game that is in a genre of a smash'em up could be considered a ripoff, but more of a homage in my opinion, but Sony blatantly piggy backing off Super Smash Brothers is a bit too far.
Well if they would have put PlayStation All Stars for the tag, but its clear even Sony looks at the game as nothing more then a clone of Super Smash Brothers.
yeah, noticed that too but now that PSASBR is becoming more famous by both its positive and negative media, it no longer needs to be 'piggy backing' off SSB. its now its own game. disagree please :D
everyone counters back his statements with games he worked on because well, they're the truth, irony in fact. It's funny how he's spouted what's original or not then to have his recent games existing-- which are pretty unoriginal themselves. Not a knock on how well his games are but just pointing out the irony. What goes around comes around.
I love the idea of ssb but I despise nintendos controllers. I'm glad psabr is coming. I just hope the combat system and overall depth is better them smash at a competitive level. I'm still not sold on the no life gauge and no knock offs, but I'll have to play it to know for sure. If its not good the franchise will die on this first game.
these kind of high profile games really need to be pushed to the limit. A failure is unacceptable! This is a game that needs to have a name for it (although the name sucks) another name needs to be thought up. "battle royals" is probably unnessecsry in the title.
Almost all games are derivative of another to a certain extent. Whatever, people can continue to tell me not to buy All-Stars. I look forward to playing my eyes out when it launches. No friend codes necessary.
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He isn't wrong you know.
It's a rip-off but that doesn't mean the game can't be fun.
Enough said.
Not saying one is better than the other, but Superbot have done a good job making the game fun and making it its own thing. If people can't get past the idea of Sony copying the concept, then that's their loss, but I think anyone with a passive interest in Smash or games in general could at least give it a try.
Anyways I agree yes it is a rip but who cares the whole industry is made up of developers who rip off each other.
... then GoW is a ripoff of DevilMayCry.
Edit: oricon, your comment is a ripoff of mine. Where's your morals man?
Just because you defined a genre doesn't mean every one else is a cheap imitation.
Besides it does look like it evolved some. More power to Sony!
If it is good, and there is competition bring it on!!! Besides copying is the most sincere form of flattering.
Everything is influenced by SOMETHING. Very few things today can be completely original in any field. Even DMC wasn't the first 3-D hack n slash, I'm sure. I bet it took alot of influence from a game like Nightmare Creatures. ANd that was influenced by something else.
And how on planet earth do you consider Bayonetta a rip off of GOW ?? In that case Killzone is a rip off of insert-random-fps-here and Gran Turismo is a rip of of whatever-sim-came-out before and like others said above GOW must be a rip-off of DMC and so on and so on.
Post 1.1 is right, it IS a rip-off but that doesnt mean it sucks, it just means that ... well its a rip-off.
In fact, the new DmC is trying to ripoff GoW in some aspects.
Still ironic how the bayonetta guy rips off other H&S games ....and makes them shitty.
Go back to making fanservice games xD
btw, who care if its the same game genre than brawl, it will simply push nintendo to do better with their next game.
Maybe if it played exactly the same. But it doesn't. It simply uses a similar formula.
Is every 2D fighter a Street Fighter rip-off? And how much did people bitch about that? Exactly.
Is Forza a Gran Turismo rip off?
Is Castlevania:LoS a God of War and SotC rip off?
Is Mega Man a Metroid rip off?
Is Super Mario a Pac-Land rip off on shrooms inspired by Alice in Wonderland?
Is every modern FPS a rip off of each other?
Is everything with similar gameplay a rip off with no merit of its own?
Of course not!
Is only Nintendo allowed to make 4-player brawlers?
Oh wait, no they're not:
* Jump Super Stars
* Digimon Rumble Arena
* Cartoon Network: Punch Time Explosion
* Battle Stadium
* Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble
* DreamMix TV World Fighters
* Rag Doll Kung Fu
* Power Stone
* The Outfoxies
* Nekketsu Kakutō Densetsu (Kunio Kun)
This is only an issue because it's a PS3 exclusive and the fanboy haters can't take it.
Does it borrow a lot from SSB? Sure it does. Does it have it's own original characters, rules and gameplay mechanics? Yes.
So give credit where it's due.
Currently the only game in that genre is SSBB.
Nobody calls ripoffs on every fps game because of Wolfenstien 3D.
Someone's mad that their characters weren't chosen.
it looks bad on him as a developer
every game out there has rip off each other
lets see
the first adventure game and soon others followed
the first rpg and others followed
the first 2d fighter
the first First person shooter
and other genres
i remember playing mario 64 the first time which i believe was the first 3d game to come out and than many others followed because of its amazing gameplay
so isn't everything else that came after sort off like a rip off also
there has been many developers who ripped off smash brothers fighting genre but i havent seen anyone bash them
but because sony is doing it now all of a sudden is a big deal
But some games copy more than others no?
True, but I don't know why some people look at some consoles more than others.
For example SSBB and PAS are very alike, but GeOW is more so compared with K.S.
But people don't like that comparison, do they?
Its so funny cause as soon as anyone calls Forza a Gran Turismo rip-off its a problem.
So many games this gen in particular borrow form games in the same genre, why is it a problem now?
So i guess Rayman and the New Super Mario brothers ripped-off 4 player platforming fro Little BIG Planet??? people are so dumb...
These games have something to say about that:
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It's a rip off of a rip off.
Smash bros is about staying on stage while all star is about holding on to specials until you can knock someone out.
Maybe smash bros will learn something from all stars because in my opinion competition will only help improve this gener going forward
Stop hating now instead of one we have 2 great games. Most of us have more than one console so why hate on 2 games that are on 2 different systems
And that in my opinion will be an improvement that will benefit fans of Super Smash Brothers.
XperiaRay
Try not to be so obvious with your boner. Troll.
PS allstars is going to be BETTER than nintnendo's.
nintendo is for casuals.
Than a lot of games are rip offs
Bayoneetta rip from DMC
GOW rip other hack and slash
Give me a break all stars while takes sme things from SSB it's also doing newer things and Nintendo needs to take nice on how a online structure will work since wii u version of SSB will have a heavy online component
In SSB your goal is to stay on stage
In all stars your goal is to fill your special meter to knock someone off
And before N made SSB there were their games so N ripped them off too
Enjoy the game and give it a chance everyone who has played it love it so why not wait for a final release and Than We can decide
I'm a big fan of the SSB series and was excited when I saw the reveal, didn't care if it was ripped straight from the SSB games. Can't wait for this!
Remember when fanboys were so quick to claim that everything was either an Uncharted rip-off or a God of War rip-off???
Games they claimed were Uncharted rip-offs:
Far Cry 3 (not even in the same genra)
New Tomb Raider
Adventurer (not even in the same genra)
Games they claimed were GOW rip-offs:
ANY AND ALL Hack & Slash, even if it plays completely different.
Now they're flip-flopping their position when the table's been turned.
Suddenly... "every game out there has rip off each other" and other hypocritical justifications.
Another reason it came off childish is how absolute he was, only a closed minded person acts that way. Also lets not forget he is currently working freelance for nintendo of course he's gonna hate a PS3 exclusive, and he didn't even bother porting Beyonetta to PS3 him and his team just handed it over to Sega.
He seems biased.
LogicLoses.
"LogicLoses"
WOW..how original! How long did it take u to come up with that one?
The way in which rip-offs are referred to these days is terrible. It's like no one understands how genres have evolved and diversified. I'm sick of this attitude.
Killzone was created by Sony as a competitor to Halo. They are both first-person shooters, but are fundamentally different in gameplay, story, style etc. So Killzone is not a rip-off of Halo, and if you blindly come back at me saying "yes it is", then you are closed minded and actually lack logic.
The same goes for PlayStation All-Stars. The concept and genre (like FPS example) is the same but the execution, style, gameplay and goals are different. So it's not a rip-off per se.
-Better graphics
-Move/Sharpshooter control scheme
-Mature dialouge/atmosphere
-Different weapons
-Realistic gunplay
PS All Stars is different. 3D cartoonish character models fighting on a 2D plane trying to build up super meters for more powerful attacks to vanquish their foes. Backgrounds consist of environments respective to the characters in the game.
SAME thing as SSBB. Killzone does much MUCH more to differentiate itself from Halo than PS All Stars does to differentiate itself from SSBB. Bad analogy.
battle royale has deeper fighting system
and you dont vanquish you foes with finishers in smash bros you knock them off
now im starting to doubt you've played either one
Just wondering, but how exactly does PSASBR have a deeper fighting system?
Lets just wait and see how good it actually is. What makes Smash such a good game is the amount of content. Nintendo has some real history that most people arent even aware of. Smash is like a museum of nintendo history.
Seriously?
You guys are right, it's one of a kind :P
@Superlupe I dont think you even know what the term truth means do you?
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Neogaf even has a whole thread devoted to his tweets. Just read the first post, it's comedy gold.
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UM....Jazz SOCOM & Twisted Metal Black was online on the PS2 before Xbox Live went live in 2002......
If anything more credit should go to Sega than MS...The first console MMO i played was Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast
LEARN YOUR HISTORY!!!
You know that PlayStation games had achievements since spyro on the PS1, right?
Trophies are an evolution of that.
i swear you can't believe everything you just typed. Im ot saying PS is original but you list of nonsense is exactly that. Did you research anything while doing that?
Achievements have been around in game for awhile so yes making them universal isn't some super crazy idea just moving forward.
i also agree with below sega deserves more credit. So making a Universal Online system for video games which have been played competitively thru the outlet they have had at the times(Arcade,side by side,LAN, Online MP) is copying? lol at you jazz LOL at you.
To add i had motion controlled golfing on ps2 i have also had motion contorl controllers on PC long before Wii, kinect or Move so im not sure what you even mean.
Look at wiki before you go on a tangent to prove to everyone you have no idea what you are talking about.
Think its just a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
@Lordme:The answer is simple if your sony dev you cant win the media will bash you regardless what you do. Suckerpunch changes Cole in infamous 2 fans outrage, Suckerpunch goes back to old Cole media rages cause of artistic integrity. Simple you cant win in the media so just go and please your fans and fuck the *gaming journalists* hahahaha.
Battle Royale imitates Brawl
Okami imitates Zelda
Bayonetta imitates Devil May Cry
P-100 seems inspired by Pikmin (not sure how similar it actually is though)
He of all people should realize that taking cues from successful franchises to create a brand new experience is nothing to be ashamed of.
He created Devil May Cry, so I think he's allowed to copy his own work with Bayonetta.
I'm just as pissed off at him as everyone else, but the man knows how to create original titles...and push genres to new levels.
Exactly why are you and half of the other commenters here so threatened by what he said? How is he being spoiled by acting so candidly?
It's not exactly like what he said was inaccurate. Playstation All-Stars is pretty derivative in nature. There's not much doubt about that. Am I being a spoiled brat by saying that it looks like a watered down Smash Bros. game? That's just my opinion and apparently his too. Sorry you're so offended?
...thus proving Brian's point.
Sony gave the fans what they were asking for. I am glad they listened.
P-100? Looks to borrow, heavily, from Pikmin as well. Sure, there are unique aspects to it, but the fundamentals and core gameplay are there as well.
Furthermore, Kamiya has already stated he hasn't even played PSASBR. It can often make sense for someone to condemn a game at a glance, but for a developer to do so without having much to go on other than what he's read/seen while having not even played the game? That's simply unprofessional and has me questioning further purchases from his studio.
You going to tell me that Rock Band is a ripoff of Guitar Hero too?
EDIT: Oh look at that, a disagree. Click that button all you want folks. What I said was factual.
The moral of the story is that anyone can make an argument that every game is, in essence, a ripoff of something that came before it. For Hideki Kamiya to condemn a game he hasn't even played, however, is simply ignorant. It's one thing if he's not interested, but to use his opinion to drive misinformation, he comes off the fool.
P.S Bayonetta & Project P-100 aren't the most freaking original titles ever FYI! Unique in they're own way? yes. %100 original? no
See Mr Hideki what's-UR-face i can say stupid crap too whoopdee-f**king-doo. I think i'm gonna tweet this.
This site went apesh*t the moment F3's install was announced and my god people were bubbleraped here just for saying it's funny F3 went with an install after MS "giving their fans the choise" of no HDD with the core model. After all the laugh from the x360 camp about PS3's mandatory installs MS went and released a game like F3. That was too much even fro the mods here, They marked comments (legit ones) fro trolling left and right.
It was fun to see it happen. I read the comments a while and went on to do other things and came back after a couple of hours and updated the news. My god some users lost like 2-3 bubbles and they were all marked for trolling. I wish I had the energy to look the artickle up and put a link here if you don't believe me.
@smash
You nailed it. Agreed 100%. Noone will ever say this game doesn't BORROW ideas from SSB but to say it is a ripoff? Really? People don't seem to know what being a ripoff means.
I for one think its great because super smash bros is a stellar title, and its great playstation owners are getting a game just like it.
And if all stars is a rip off of smash bros then
Every fps is a rip off of doom, Every car simulator is a rip-off of gran turismo, Splinter Cell is a rip off of Metal Gear Solid, Quantom Theory is a rip off of gears of war and create is a rip off of littlebigplanet.
Actually, that'd be Maze War, but your point still stands. Also, Create is more like The Incredible Machine than LittleBigPlanet.
The bottom line, we can all draw comparisons to previous entries in the same medium, but the lesson here isn't about that. It's about a figure-head from a widely regarded company, condemning a product he has never played. That's simply poor judgment on his behalf.
Splinter cell 2002
Metal Gear solid ps1 1998
So it must not be original at all and a complete ripoff i mean it has shadows, stealth action gadgets.
Its a pretty dumb way to think i grant you that but according to some it is a blatant rip off and should be brought up that it is whenever comparing the value of the game. You know since as gamers the value of it's game is the perception of it more so then the game play of it.
People are dumb.
To cover my A** i do not know when the first tom clancy splinter cell book came out nor do i care to look when i was playing MG on nintendo back in the day to compare,
It seems like Nintendo is desesperate since they start to attack PAS:BR. They're feeling insecure it seems.
How is Nintendo attacking PAS:BR when Kamiya is a third-party developer all on his own? As Kamiya would say, "use your brain." Jesus. I'm out. Some of you guys can continue your console wars bs if you like.
yes and it seems a good one i dont mind it PS3 needs a game like this.
Before byonetta or whatever its call, there was otagi for the xbox.
Before vigilante 8, there was twisted metal.
Before saints road, there was GTA
And before forza and shift there was grandturismo.
dead to rights, stranglehold
Battle arena toshinden, bloody roar, soul calibur, virtua fighter and dead or alive take your pick mr hideki because according to your tweets they are all rip-offs.
Ripoff comes around as such a bad term, but Sony itself is using Super Smash Brothers as its only tag for the Youtube page to advertise PlayStation All Stars, that I feel is wrong.
Now doing a game that is in a genre of a smash'em up could be considered a ripoff, but more of a homage in my opinion, but Sony blatantly piggy backing off Super Smash Brothers is a bit too far.
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these kind of high profile games really need to be pushed to the limit. A failure is unacceptable! This is a game that needs to have a name for it (although the name sucks) another name needs to be thought up. "battle royals" is probably unnessecsry in the title.