Its hard to know where to start with this issue, simply put Tiscali are stopping all Sony PS3 owners playing Call of Duty 4 Online at certain times (mostly the whole evening up to 12 midnight).
I haven't had any problems whatsoever.
no idea what tiscali is.
It's a broadband ISP.
They obviously realised that something was eating bandwidth.. Dopey as they are, maybe they thought it was some kind of a DOS attack?
freeserve turned into orange
so this doesnt affect people who dont have tiscali?
I read throught the forums of complaints and game blackouts are complete interent outages.
No COD4, no Email, no internet.
this isn't any new thing with many ISPs...P2P networking is also something that has been in video games for a while as well...
Broadband internet providers were faced with the grim reality that a lot of younger adults were upgrading to a faster internet connection for things other than mundane browsing...a broadband ISP is hardly taxed by 1000's of users just surfing the web and checking email...while it is much faster for that stuff than an old dial up connection; to many that alone was not worth the hassle of the upgrade...
online gaming on the otherhand can run flawlessly with a good broadband connection...yet puts a exponentially higher amount of load on the ISPs bandwidth requirements...in short, costing the provider a lot more money...all of a sudden you are using a lot more of what you pay for...being that its a business, a lot of ISPs were not exactly happy about that...
I remember issues like this with XBL and PC gaming on my first broadband connection when I first started college...broadband was fairly new to the area then, and I remember constant letters about imposing a 'bandwidth cap' if I continued to use my internet connection 'so much'...I switched to a different cable provider...and have been lucky ever since...
its good for competition though...sooner or later there will be multiple broadband connections available to everyone...and it will only take one of those several in each area to guarantee you with no caps...and any gamer will use that over the hidden fine print of a shadier ISP...
I didn't know this was still going on a wide scale like this...but apparently with a major ISP, it still is...if that is all you have access to, that sucks...but hopefully they will learn from people leaving...
also though..the article is somewhat vague on the matter...they attempt to point to it just being P2P network issues that get blocked, which means its not necessarily a bandwidth cap...it could be they simply know one area to decrease bandwidth usage (by blocking networking code that pertains basically only to file sharing and gaming) for certain prime parts of the day...and write it off as "normal daily maintenance"...leaving their advertising of "unlimited usage" still legal I guess...who knows...where I work, there is a commercial T1 connection for our servers distributing encrypted information between offices...it works similarly to a residential ISP, but they impose a lot of things under a "traffic shaping" clause, or else heavy cell-phone like payment increases occur...that forces us to only be using the brunt of the bandwidth at wierd ass times...such as overnight, or before 2pm on week days...makes DB backup a total pain...this could be what this ISP is trying, and apparently getting away with...hopefully it doesn't remain legal, as long as there isn't any fine print stating it was in effect before you started a contract with them...
that was lazyness on my part for not reading the article fully.
sorry i erased my report. Wow that isp sucks. change you provider if service is like that.
I have Tiscali and I can't play on weekends or between 4pm and 12am weekdays. They also did the same with PSN during the Euro PS3 launch for a few months. It's not fake at all serenity.
I had Tiscali when the PS3 came out and then had to release me from my contract. Traffic shaping really needs to be made illegal.
Thats BS. They need to increase their bandwidth not punish their customers. I would be looking for a new provider if I were you. There are rumors that Providers are going to start putting caps on bandwidth for online gaming and that is going to suck for all of us.
An ISP can't offer you a service and then say after your signed the contract your not allowed to do this, or this....
If their going to be in the business, they'll need to realize that this sort of data transfer is only going to grow as time goes on when more people get consoles and start using other services.
Well there your answer about downloadable Movies.
"An ISP can't offer you a service and then say after your signed the contract your not allowed to do this, or this.... " Yes I agree, and so do OFCOM (regulatory watchdog on telecommunications in UK) they've actually stated to me (in a phone conversation) ISP's are not allowed to do this, its classed as breach of contract and also they said fair use policies should not be allowed as well. Last I heard from them was that they were going to start to do something about all these ISP's and their misleading/illegal services. Hopefully sooner rather than later
Sucks to be you.....
if this is true it would also affect 360 version
very miss leading and i thought most 360 games where run on the p2p system i could be wrong
but i play all online game on my ps3 because i am to tight to pay for xbox live lol
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this is not a fanboy comment as i own both systems i am just sick of bad and miss leading reporting
Or maybe the PS3 and 360 versions use different ports to which the PS3 one could very well be blocked at peak times? No?
that maybe true but then in the modern world i expect journalists to check the facts and find out why investigate the issue
but if it was a basic port issue then the owners on Tiscali would have a good case to complain to isp, game designer and sony for a fix
but this report has no fact to explain why the issue is there so i think it is miss leading without fact as to why
there are no complaints from 360 owners, because tiscali is operating in europe and there are no 360s here. ;)
It's pretty clear that the writer is posting an article about his limited personal experience without much additional research. If Tiscali is indeed blocking P2P traffic it would affect more than just PS3 COD4 players since most multiplayer games use P2P on both PS3 and X360, even World of Warcraft uses P2P for patch downloads not to mention services like bittorrent and Skype. It's misleading for him to state it as a problem specific to PS3 COD4 players just because he's too lazy to do his research.
agreed...it would effect pretty much every file sharing (even the legal apps) program also...not to mention XBL (XBL only has P2P, where as the PSN has several games that support other types of networking as well...master server heartbeats w/ dedicated connections, etc..)...
but it really depends on what exactly they are blocking...it sounds like it is a specific type of P2P network code...not just P2P networking in general...or else online gaming would be completely stalled through that ISP daily...there would be much more of a story about this if that was true...
A petition and mass-desertion to other ISPs should do the trick.
Internet here in the UK is a bit of a joke in general, Cable is the only way to go (as long as you live in certain areas).
But im not sure this story is even correct, i have a few friends with Tiscali, none have said anything about this.
Still, if it is indeed true, time to switch your ISP guys.
i used to have problems with Tiscali as they would block my consoles at busy times (don't know if they still do), still since then i've moved to BT Yahoo and had no problems whats so ever
i agree man it is messed up with there upto rubbish
i was with BT since broadbad ie 500k
i upgrade to 8mb but all i could get was 1-2mb max so why make me pay for higher very poor
now i have virgin so far so good 20mb
we need to upgrade the UK copper network asap before anything can improve for the UK
really?! well i understand your switch then. That is disgraceful to say the least.
Any ideas why they did it? as from what i understand online gaming takes up very little band width. download limits?
'Any ideas why they did it? as from what i understand online gaming takes up very little band width. download limits?' No idea why, i guess they didn't have the band width to support it. I wasn't the only one to have this problem. There was a massive thread on it about 8/9months ago on the EU PS forums
I`m Glad i left Tiscali last year. There FUP was a joke, 7Mb down to 1/4 Mb after 4pm was the last straw. Any Tiscali Customers i suggest you get your MAC code and make like a Rat in a drain pipe.
Couldn't agree more, tiscali are utter crap, i was with em last year for about 2 months and most the time i had like 1mb if that and i was paying for 4mb there just crap dont join em and if u are with them, leave b4 its to l8!
and i thought virgin was bad !
well if only it was so simple to just up and leave, except most of these companies have penalty charges for terminating your contract. normally around about £100 +.
not good, not good at all !
Yes, but if you get in touch with OFCOM and state the reasons why you want to leave (sh*tty service, rubbish speeds etc) they will tell you exactly what to say to your ISP without incurring any charges, and if your ISP still won't have none of it then OFCOM themselves send them a nice letter/email and within a week or so your free to go with who you like. Believe me i've done this with a few ISP's even while being under contract.
Tiscali are total crap.
I left them 2years ago, fair usage and traffic shaping drove me nuts.
I'm with aol atm, they haven't pissed me off so far, but if and when they do, i'll dump them.
Just get your mac code asap. If they don't want to give you one, threaten legal action, they'll soon cough it up. They did with mine:)
tier 1 package: email, browsing non-flash heavy websites tier 2 package: tier 1+, youtube/online movie websites, flash websites, rapidshare/file hosting websites, online gaming tier 3: package 1+2, content streaming, bittorrent usage. most expensive.
i havnt had any problems joining gamesw lately.not for about 3 months now.
No problems here... kinda lucky i guess, i never had trouble with this game.
I'm no expert on American consumer rights, but hasn't the ISP undertaken themselves the task to provide an internet connection to their customers in exchange for a certain payment? If they start to block or throttle certain traffic they doesn't deliver what the consumers pay for and I doubt that is legal.
isp are going nuts look at this for example
soon we will have no freedon on the net this is just the start of things
not saying pirating is good its just isps restricting what we can and cant do is just getting out of control
Their contract says there's a Fair Use Policy in place at peak times, which includes higher bandwidth for certain file types (I couldn't even use torrents at peak times because of it). They're providing an internet connection, you're never "offline", but they shape the traffic so standard webpages are high priority traffic while gaming and torrents are low. They said they would fix this, they said it was a problem they are aware of, so I gave them a month then joined Twang.net who don't traffic shape.
I was having the same problems with tiscali due to the fair use, i canceled and went with freedom to surf, iv had no problems since.
I use Tiscali but never had any problems with being thrown off the network playing Warhawk, no matter what the time was. Don't own CoD4 though.
ar You pay for a service and it doesnt matter what you do with that service. Thats crap
I've also got Virgin Media 20mb and its pretty good, but broadband in the UK is a joke tbh. We need to replace everything but both the government and ISP's will not pay up so we are left with crappy broadband which does not achieve the speeds they advertised. Virgin Media are planning to release 50MB broadband this year or eary 2009.
thats true just finished trials in ashford and have started the upgrade now all current large customers will be upto upgrade to 50 over time
its mainly not the ISP's faults, or the governments (as much as I hate them), It's BT's fault due to them owning all the lines, I remember reading an article a while back which stated that because BT own all the lines (and refuse to let anyone else own any of them) they have to upgrade them themselves, which we both know BT doesn't like to part with money. PS virgin media is good, a massive improvement over when they were NTL
Wow, I'm glad I did my research before choosing an ISP over here in the UK. Get Be* (www.BeThere.com). They have up to 24MB broadband AND as far as the users report on the forums and ISP review sites; there really is NO cap. Of course they 'say' they have a fair-usage policy but loads on this ISP download 100's of gigs of data every month and there is NO throttling! Best 18 pounds you can spend imo! Btw, I have it too.
The title was kinda misleading. This would affect everyone that uses their internet connection for online gaming, would'nt it?
Well this would explain the drops I get from hosts in the evenings, been happening alot lately, at least I know why :)
That really is unacceptable behaviour on the part of Tiscali. My contract is up with Orange and I was considering Tiscali as a replacement because the TV service looks interesting but not any more and I don't even play online, its just that if they will do this what else will they start to block. ISPs have one job, get what I want to me when I want it. if they cannot do this for the price they charged me then try and charge me more and let the market decide.
There are so many internet providers available to the public now that if you suspect or find that that your ISP is Traffic Shaping, dump them and move to another ISP. Make sure that you let your previous ISP know why you are dumping them. Traffic shaping makes me sick, wtf are we paying for?
yeah i suffered with pipex for a year couldnt wait to fire em off but i refused to end my contract early. I use p2p a lot on my pc and my speeds were ridiculous,when i called to complain they openly told me over the phone that they were choking my connection. It comes down to fair usage policies if u have unlimited b/b they will choke u. I couldnt use xbl for months it was sooooo annoying. i sacked them in nov in favour of sky broadband which seems fine no probs with xbl or the psn they do have a fair usage policy but it only applies to unlimited d/l so i opted for a 40 gig allowance and it seems to be working ok for me. when u sign up to a new ip its worth asking about fair usage
who would go with them anny way my best m8 was the best conetion the gave him after 2 years was 2 meg man its gay lol 1 year with orange and im on 8 meg
lol, if that happens to me im just gonna steal someones connection. lol.
If any of you guys are from Canada I would suggest Rogers Highspeed its very good and the customer service is excellent (even made some aquaintences =D).
idk i got (cox high speed internet) never had any problems with d/c from any online games i got the top package tho cause i run 2 pcs ps3 all the time.
Isn't error 33 activison matchmaking server connection error? I don't really understand the situation fully, but it seems like Tiscali is a bit crappy ISP-wise.
am having problems with aol i get disconnected sometimes from online during gameplay for some weird reason
I've had Tiscali for ages now and never had any problems. Swapping over to sky tho but only because its £5 a month which is better than £17.99
no one uses tiscali just cable or fios LoL
Not sure if anyone mentioned this but noticed one or two of the first comments asking what was tiscali. Well its an ISP in the UK so if your in another country then you no need worry. Well this is no good is it unless you play COD 4 after 12 midnight. I think the UK broadband ISPs should pull themselves together and quickly upgrade UK broadband instead of falling behind the rest of the world. We pay more for our broadband than people do in the east yet they got way faster speeds. We should be on 50 mbps or faster now.
i have tiscali and havent had a problem playing cod4 online in the evenings, well not yet anyway but in the past i have had trouble getting online sometimes but it hasnt happend for a long time.
also played it after midnight and no probs.
Lol. Tiscali really is the worst crap ISP ever.
If you have Tiscali... DUMP them!
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