Submitted by Nick212004 936d ago | video

Sony’s Need to Adopt Xbox LIVE Pricing Model Evident

"Sony's PlayStation Network has come a long way since its debut on the PlayStation 3 and has consistently received praise for remaining free unlike Xbox LIVE, Microsoft's competitor. While this is an excellent aspect of the PlayStation Network for PlayStation gamers, the negative results have had its showing throughout the past and just recently with an announcement from Sony Computer Entertainment Europe."

-TheGamerAccess.com (Motorstorm Arctic Edge, Motorstorm:Pacific Rift, Next-Gen, PS Vita, PS3, PSP, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3, Tag Invalid, Xbox 360)

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Venomousfatman  +   937d ago
Sony definitely needs to improve on a lot of things involving their online service. Some things changed up can make the experience on PSN a whole lot better.
NastyLeftHook0  +   936d ago | Well said
like what? name something. im so sick of trolls talking smack about psn when there is nothing wrong with it. its incredible, IF i want ps+ i get free games and so much more ect...if i dont want to pay, thats fine.

Support? like charging you to use netflix? charging you to play online ? and support? i get supported with tons of free games and cloud services free themes ect, not to mention pc/ps3 cross-play? do you have that? and nice touch on that "SONY" remark, pretty mature.
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Laxman   936d ago | Trolling | show
gaffyh  +   936d ago | Well said
I prefer PSN over XBL for two reasons:

1. I don't HAVE to pay to play online.
2. I don't have to listen to ignorant and racist comments from stupid kids.

Sony may need to improve stuff like match-making, but that's all they need to change, not the pricing model!
CmonBeReal   936d ago | Spam
AO1JMM  +   936d ago

Hilarious comments. BTW I hear little kids yelling racist ignorant comments on PSN all the time.
BattleAxe  +   936d ago
Just another FAIL article from Nick. I think Nick would be better at scalping tickets in front of a stadium.

On topic, I own a 360 and a PS3. Since buying my 360 around 3 or 4 months ago, I haven't turned it on for the last two months. I don't find LIVE to be anything special. I don't need to leave voice messages, and while cross game chat is nice, I could really care less about it. The minute Sony starts charging for online play, is the point in time where I become a 100% PC gamer.
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DigitalRaptor  +   936d ago
@ Laxman

No. It's not because Microsoft charges $60 per year that XBL has better "support, reliability, features". That's nonsense that only a loyal, invested fanboy could muster.

It's because Microsoft has been in the online gaming space longer with more experience and they have a lot to lose if they let their service decline, so they stay competitive.

Believe me when I say, Sony have found their model for charging users, and that goes by the name of PS+. All Sony needs to do is continue adding value to it with certain requested major features and keep the online free and they're set. One of Sony's fundamendal edges is consumer choice, and looking at their strategy with PS+ it makes no sense to be charging for online play when something like Plus exists.

Increase the enticement of your service with pure value, and people will warm to it. That is their strategy. MS's strategy is keep charging for online, increase the price every now and again, and keep adding features that aren't related to gaming (that are free to everyone else). Keeps them in good shape financially, but doesn't do anything for my respect towards them.

It's not poor form from "$ony" that their services aren't as solid as Live either. It's fairly impressive that their services are as good as they are, compared to the start of this gen if anything.

Now I know it's hard for some of you Xbox fans to accept but Sony has a culture of offering consumers choice. You don't even have to be a fanboy to notice this. They have always offered the most diverse games and been about open platforms, free options. That will not change, and that makes my experience better than cross-game chat on the Xbox. For me, PS+ is better than XBL Gold any day of the week, since GAMES >>>>>>> FEATURES! And like I mentioned - features that are free everywhere else. Lol.
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Army_of_Darkness  +   936d ago
Psn needs improvement on a lot of things?!
Like what?? it's free. It works. so who's complaining? cause clearly its not me.
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morganfell  +   936d ago
Another ridiculous observation from the same site.

Failed journalistic pustules.

Think about this. You buy a game. Eula arguments about ownership aside, you pay for all of the game. If the game has Single Player you pay for that. If the game has Single Player and Multiplayer you pay for that. If the game is Multiplayer only you pay for that. It's your game.

Now along comes a company that says, "Hold on there a minute. We don't care if you paid for that Multiplayer. You do not get to use that part unless you pay us money on the side."

It's a form of legalized extortion really. Never mind if that game appears on 5 other platforms without such intrusion and demand. This one company is intent upon forcing you to pay more money without concern you already pay to access the internet. They want a cut.

There is no choice. You don't pay, you don't play. Right off the bat a service that provides layered choices that serve the player is already light years ahead. It's confounding anyone would think otherwise. Maybe that's the issue. There wasn't any thinking involved when this piece was thrown together and came crawling out of the dust bin screaming for a webhit.

So look here Nicky. Before you get any more bright ideas you need to start thinking these absurd, erred postulations through with a bit more thoroughness.

And remember everyone, go up to the top and click on the blue gamerabcess.com and vote the site and story according to their quality.
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gaffyh  +   936d ago
@1.1.4 - It's a LOT less though, no denying that is there?
SilentNegotiator  +   936d ago
"Support, reliability, features"

Support? http://www.destructoid.com/...
It takes a media circus just to get real support from the XBL team.

Reliability? http://www.joystiq.com/2007...
Yeah, yeah, PSN was down for month. That doesn't change the fact that XBL had a long term issue itself. And occasional maintenance is not a lack of reliability.

Features? Crosschat and......what? Features that are free elsewhere? A cable box function that can be done better and get all the channels with....well, a cable box?

PSN provides what I need from a game console for free; gaming. And between PSN and PC, I don't see why I should be paying for online play. PSN even manages to have a pay service that adds things without forcing me to pay to play online.
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Captain Tuttle  +   936d ago
Laxman got reported for trolling? Silly, sensitive fanboys

Edit: Morganfell, there is a choice. Don't buy a 360. Since your whole argument revolves around multi-plats that solves the problem.
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Daze311  +   936d ago
The thing I gripe about Xbox is that if I have to pay the full price. Which lets get one thing right here how many of use have? We are all smarter then that and pay 45 to 50 bucks and not the 60. I pay for something and I dont want to see ads. I love my ps3 since day one I got my Xbox and try it out for a year but for some stuff the have a Internet problems here and their was not worth it to me. I can't even message my friends because I don't have gold. I did like the music service they had but I am not paying 50 bucks a year for it, rather spend the money on a roku box. (which I did)

Most games that don't run their own servers, you have to find the right room with a goo enough speed. (and no I am not running no p.o.s 3 mbs when I was getting up to 20 and stuff boot me out for time outs wtf. I like the apps Xbox uses but I will wait till they hit the psn before I pay again.
Treian   936d ago | Trolling | show
GribbleGrunger  +   936d ago | Well said
Give me a break. I enjoy PSN and I'm happy that it's nothing like LIVE.

STOP these articles NOW! You may have gotten away with it for a few years when LIVE was better (by a fraction) but I'm sorry but PSN is far better than LIVE. It's over as far as I'm concerned. Once upon a time your argument was valid but now it is vacuous
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Outside_ofthe_Box  +   936d ago
Well said.

Xbox players say that they are happy to pay for Live for all the features it provides therefore people should stop saying it should be free, well then the same goes for PSN.

Stop saying that Sony should charge for PSN. What ever features Live has that PSN doesn't, PSN users are fine without it. I really don't see any feature that warrants me paying an extra fee just to get access to the other half of my game that I paid full retail price for.

Sony does not need to charge for PSN. PSN users are fine with PSN as it already is. The PS+ model works just fine.
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mayberry  +   936d ago
I'd assume a significant portion of "N4G" posters here are dedicated to our "hobby" of "adult electronic entertainment" i.e "gaming" to have both consoles and services. I have both and get alot of enjoyment from the two in different degrees. especially since I started gaming on a Magnovox Odyssey in 1978! Back then if I bought a game that needed a patch.. tough luck! Online was unheard of! Seems to me gamers today are kindof spoiled and unappreciative of what we have to game with!

That said, PSN being free and the majority of games have an online component really makes MS's service sub-par to PSN's imho! I paid $600.00+ for my box, pay my monthly cable broadband fee, and paid for my $60.00 game, paying to play, to me, is redundant to say the least!
turgore  +   936d ago
For multiplatforms the online experience is the same on PSN. SO why should I pay for this service ?
avengers1978  +   936d ago
No Xbox needs to adopt sony's price model...OF FREE...
I pay for PS Plus, but hell they give you games, I have totally come out ahead of the yearly fee for plus, with the amount of free stuff I get.
I Think Sony needs to improve on things like there network going down, sometimes everything on my Playstation works except for the store... its frustrating.
I'm pretty sure xbox would have a higher % of there players online if they could at the very least play games online for free...
Other than making people pay for it xbox live and PSN are the same, they both offer tons of content other than gaming, they both have problems, and the both could be better, but then again Playing games on pc online also has it's issues... we can all agree on one thing nintendo needs to do some serious catching up when it comes to online gaming.
DeadlyFire  +   936d ago
I really see nothing wrong with PSN and any real update is only going to come when they can overhaul entirely for new hardware.

Besides that if Sony keeps the Free to game model its more than likely people will come back to them when they are tired of paying for XBL.

Nintendo sees free to game as a positive measure as well.
NeoTribe  +   936d ago
What the hell does it need? U log on and u play games online.... seriously its free and offers pretty much everything xbox has. Wtf more do u need to play a game online? Seriously, anwser this question.
tmanmushroom  +   937d ago
I wouldn't mind if it was the same price as ps+ and that it included all the ps+ benefits.
iamnsuperman  +   936d ago
This fails on one major point. A major selling point is free online with the option of a subscription service (which is very good). The shutting down servers is partly to do with money but just because he plays these game doesn't mean everyone does anymore. I wonder how many people do. Even with a subscription model I would expect these servers to be still shutting down because it probably still wouldn't be cost effective to have them.
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WeskerChildReborned  +   936d ago
Yea they need to allow free online just with a subscription that has added benefits so you have options.
MrBeatdown  +   935d ago
Exactly. Servers shutting down really has nothing to do with subscriptions. If I was paying $50 a year for PSN, MotorStorm isn't going to magically gain players. If anything, it would lose players. Force people to choose between paying and not playing, and you're undoubtedly going to reduce the number of players who actually can play.

As much as I loved Pacific Rift, I'm done with it. So are most people. I'd like to see the servers for such a fantastic game stay open, but I'd rather not pay a yearly fee just so I have the option to go back to it only to find nobody else playing.
Xperia_ion  +   936d ago
Noooo !!!
MalianteNCX  +   936d ago
there is any lag on PSN(like GoW 1/2 on Xbox 360). I don't want to pay $60 just to talk with my "friends" cross-game.
MasterCornholio  +   936d ago
Meh cross game chat is a pretty basic feature. If I have it for free on Vita and Steam and the quality is equally as good as cross game chat on Xboxlive, why should I even pay for it?

Septic  +   936d ago
If it's such a basic feature then you'd expect the PS3 to have it.
No they don't.
I hate random disagrees from xbox fanboys. What sense does it make for them to have a subscription service when they already have a optional one to begin with.
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jay2  +   936d ago
No, why should we then pay THREE suppurate amounts to pay, we pay our broadband, we have to play xbox live gold, why should we then pay again to play online for PS3, we've payed for the connection which is the only thing we should have to pay for.
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ChunkyLover53  +   936d ago
Well we pay for electricity, and we can watch broadcast television for free, but we still have to pay for cable or satellite if you want a premium service.

There are lots of examples of this, I mean we can get Skype for free, but people still buy cell phones, most pay for home phones too.

I guess it just depends on your point of view.

Who says you wouldn't get more extra's if you paid a small subscription to PSN in the future? You do realize Sony could lock down more content if people paid a small fee? They could improve and update their interface and add more features that would attract a whole new fanbase.
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NastyLeftHook0  +   936d ago
the difference is with cable you expect extra movies/shows ect. ps+ provides things as a benefit to the gamer.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   936d ago
You seriously agree with having to pay another extra fee after paying full retail price to access the other half of your game?

Sony already has it fine with the PS+ model.
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ChunkyLover53  +   936d ago
They wouldn't have to charge the same price as Xbox Live Gold, but I think charging something would help them make money and recoup initial losses with the PS4 at launch.

I've always said that PSN is fine for a bare bones approach to online gaming, but as gaming moves forward, online is becoming more and more prevalent in pretty much every game. Sony will need to make some sort of money, I'm sure its pretty expensive to run all those servers and keep security and features all on the service for free. I don't know if people realize that it costs Sony money to get services like Hulu Plus and Netflix, Sony makes zero money on their online and it could be so much better if they made some profit.

If you see any recent PS3 commercials, they cut out the "free online" scroll, I think they might adopt a paid premium service for next generation. I seriously doubt they would totally cut out playing online for free though, I would guess that playing online bare bones will remain free, but they will probably offer some sort of structured online for a price next generation.
DigitalRaptor  +   936d ago
When was the last time you saw a PS3 commercial?

They haven't had that "scroll" for a while since their marketing has changed from "It only does http://n4g.com/Comments/Get... to "Long Live Play". http://www.youtube.com/watc... Remember?

And in regards to this... "I would guess that playing online bare bones will remain free, but they will probably offer some sort of structured online for a price next generation."

They already have a tiering system for online and additional features. Play online = free. Extra features to enhance it = PS+. It's something Microsoft should have offered their consumers LOOOOOOOONG ago, and it's not even a fanboy thing (cause I know I'm gonna have that card thrown at me). Any additional structure would be confusing for many, and perhaps even redundant since what would they call it? PS+1?

So... (1)Free, (2)PS+, (3)PS+1

Nah, can't see it happening.
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ChunkyLover53  +   936d ago
PlayStation Plus isn't the same thing as a premium service, they haven't done anything to improve the actual online experience. Getting some free rentals every month is nice, but I'm talking about Sony offering a premium service.

New interfaces, new options, longer friends list, ability to view friends lists in games ect...

I don't think Sony will be able to offer all of these things next generation for free. I'd gladly pay for a premium service, as I do with Microsoft.

As a competitive gamer, I've found that Sony's PSN gets very little respect in the competitive community, a premium service would do them wonders.

Microsoft doesn't need to offer free online play because they have built up a solid product and people are willing to pay for that, why lose possibly half your paying subscribers by offering free online? It wouldn't make good business sense.

One of the main reasons I like XBL so much is the fact that there aren't a bunch of people on second, third, fourth accounts. When I play PSN, you run into people so often that obviously have other accounts and use new low level accounts to cause trouble, be racist, glitch, cheat ect..
Kaos_Vll  +   936d ago
You go on telling yourself that it's worth it to pay for live. I most time agree with you but can't do it on this one. I own both systems and while I do pay for live every now and then I still know I'm being ripped off.

Who in their right mind would think it's ok to charge for something that other platforms offer for free and I'm talking about the ability to play YOUR entire game without being extorted for more money.

I HATE cross game chat (why in the world would you want to converse with someone playing a different game?) I don't own an xbox to use netflix or any of the other crap they offer with gold, I just want to play the ENTIRE game I already paid for.

Whatever, I mostly only buy single player games for my box anyway and gears is the only game I use live for. I hope MS does the same thing next gen as it will save me the trouble of even buying their system in the first place. Doubt they'll have any games I want to play that I can't play elsewhere anyway.

before anyone insults me with the troll label, check my profile and check my GT and psn ID. unlike many here I actually own both systems and I care about games, not systems.
SprigganN4G  +   936d ago
Only stupid people pays for online gaming, don't be stupid, PLEASE, for the health of ALL GAMERS.

Greetings from Argentina :D
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NastyLeftHook0  +   936d ago
and bingo was his name oh.
Septic  +   936d ago
I pay for Xbox Live so that makes me stupid? So hold on:

I can play online with my friends and actually chat to them no matter what game they are playing and that's stupid?

Unlike the backwards PSN, I can send voice messages instead of texting them, that's stupid?

I can play as a party and not be affected by VOIP problems int games like battlefield and if games disconnect I'm still talking to my friends so we can coordinate and rejoin games, that's stupid?

I do play on PSN but in comparison to Xbox Live, the social functions of the former platform are a joke. PSN is slow and cumbersome in comparison. Think about it, even Xbox Live on the original Xbox let you do voice chat on the dashboard. It's actually quite pathetic that to this day,PSN won't let you do that.

But you go ahead and call others stupid. Others who actually play online competitively and enjoy a much more streamlined service. You go ahead and turn on Skype so you can talk to your mates online because the social functionality for your free console's online service is so lacklustre.

We all know that Sony fanboys dominate n4g, but it continues to surprise me that people are so deluded that they jump to such extremes in defending PSN in light of its shortcomings. As a serious online gamer, I'm happy to pay for Xbox Live because when I use PSN, its immediately apparent that the latter is stuck in the stone ages.
Christopher  +   936d ago
From the video: "A game as big as MotorStorm: Pacific Rift"

Game came out in October of 2008. Game sold 1.2m in its lifetime. Game had next to no one on there playing multiplayer.

If the game was so "big," then it wouldn't have sold as poorly over time, had as few people online after 4 years, and it wouldn't be shutting down. But, it's not the "big" game you are making it out to be.
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xX-StolenSoul-Xx  +   936d ago
I agree completly
cleft5  +   936d ago
Right now PSN+ has close to 20 quality full ps3 games that come free with your subscription. I pay for XBL and I don't get shit free, oh wait there was those stupid fucking Minecraft skins you got for free provided you brought Minecraft of course.

I own a PS3 and 360 and while the PSN isn't perfect it certainly isn't the worst thing in the world and the PSN+ service is great. If anything, Microsoft would do well to learn a thing or two from Sony and stop fucking us over and increasing the price for their goddamn service. Oh and I don't like paying a monthly fee to have to deal with racist, homophobic, and sexist 13 year old kids. The fact that I am paying them money so they can give me advertisements is pure bullshit also.

By the way, neither PSN or XBL is all that great. I much prefer Steam and don't give me that bullshit about Steam being that way cause it's a PC service and for some magical reason that sort of service can't be emulated on consoles. Consoles are just underpowered PCs people, wake up and smell the truth.
Ganzi  +   936d ago
I was right there with you until you brought the whole "PC master race" thing in. I agree that Steam is fantastic and is the best service out there, but I DO think that PSN is great. It is 2nd to Steam of course (and could do with a nice makeover for sure), but I am really interested in Sony's PSN+ business model. I can tell you that both services have encouraged me to play games that I otherwise would never have experienced. In fact, I think Sony is in a very powerful position with its acquisition of Gaikai, and would go so far as to say that it has a lot more room to expand then Steam does right now (until they come out with the Steam Box that is http://techspce.com/home/20...
cleft5  +   936d ago
I only bring up Steam because Valve does have one of the best, if not the best, online services out there and I would point out that a portion of Steam was accessible on the PS3 with Portal 2.

I am not about the whole PC Master race nonsense either, but when talking about an excellent online service you simply can't ignore Steam. Also, I would point out that Microsoft took their "great" XBL service on the PC with Games For Windows Live and it is universally hated as Steam is much better. So thats the only reason I bring up Steam in general and I am with you about the Sony business model being very interesting and appealing.
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney   936d ago | Trolling | show
Skate-AK  +   936d ago
Oh god here we go. First it was Playstation All Stars is gonna suck and now this... Guess its fanboy article day.
Ganzi  +   936d ago
First off, you're right Nick, there are people that play Motorstorm Pacific Rift, all of like 10 people. Just because you play it doesn't mean a bunch of other people do too. Just a professional tip, give some better backup to your argument, because you are never going to convince the average gamer (most of whom don't even know about Motorstorm Pacific Rift) to side with you on this one.

It is just smart business to close servers that aren't being used, and to keep open the ones that are. Take Demon's Souls, that game was supposed to have its servers shut down on multiple occasions, but they kept them running because people kept playing it.

And just so were clear, you mean Sony should model itself after Xbox Live by charging for people to use online AND put adds in the service? Right, I'll keep that in mind when I am playing Dead Space 2 for free on PSN+ http://www.thesixthaxis.com... .

I won't argue that there aren't ways to improve the service, but I would relegate the changes to improving the UI. I am always looking for ways to make it easier to find great games on the store and interact with friends online. Otherwise, I think Sony is doing a fantastic job with PSN and would choose it over Xbox Live any day of the week.
Gen0ne  +   936d ago
I was thinking it should be the other way around.
Belking  +   936d ago
I think sony does need to make a change. They don't have to charge the same thing as MS does but it would help them bring in more revenue to go towards improving the service in the future. The Playstation Division just reported another loss yesterday and it's not looking good for them. Kaz did say that rough times are ahead so i expected it. Sony really need to get it together fast because they are gonna have their hands full with MS next gen. They really need to start profiting before it takes a toll on next gen resources.
InTheLab  +   936d ago
You know what makes no sense with MS? They have a tiered pricing model for their console but all or nothing for their services. Outside of the hardcore, who's really going to pay hefty sub to use apps that are free elsewhere. A lot of these apps (HBo go, Netflix, Hulu, Facebook) come standard with Smart Tvs.

MS is the only company charging for these features and lets be honest here...IF MS OFFERED ONLINE GAMING FREE OF CHARGE, NO THEY'D LOSE 99% OF THEIR GOLD MEMBERSHIP.

Sony does not need to charge for PSN. They make money of items purchased of PSN just like MS makes money off Live. Theirs also PSN+ for extra income.

Nintendo does not need to charge for their online either. They make a ton of their marketplace on both Wii and 3DS.

PC will always have free online, unless MS starts charging for GFWL...in which case PC gamers will boycott all games on the platform.
Dlacy13g  +   936d ago
Dont kid yourself, if Sony could go back in time PSN would be a paid online service.
InTheLab  +   936d ago
What's stopping them now?
Dlacy13g  +   936d ago
what is stopping them is the promise they made it back when the playstation 3 launched. No way can they go back on that promise during the life of the ps3 .
gamer7804  +   936d ago
Whether one service is better than another is really not the point. Sony needs to find ways to drive revenue. I'd rather see some ads and a relatively low monthly price, than to see Sony go under or their platform suffer without it.
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poet215  +   936d ago
In my home, there is one PS3 & two xbox 360's. I bought my sons (8 & 5) a new slim 360 & I now have their older elite. I have one game on 360, The Witcher 2. I own over 50 games on PS3. ( I refuse to trade in expensive games for pennies) I am a launch day PS3 owner...I remember that rough year of 2007 (especially here on this site) lol. I enjoy online gaming on PS3 and see nothing wrong with it. If I could improve anything, it would be the user interface & responsiveness of the cross media bar. I think Live maybe has a leg up on us in the usability category. Not saying they're light years ahead of PSN, by no means. But when playing games like Madden or Modern Warfare 3 on PSN, (IMO) it don't feel as seamless when navigating menus for game/friend invites or checking messages. That being said, the only area I would like to see PSN improve is user interface. All else is cool already, to me. PSN store, functionality & reliability of servers are great to me.
iNFAMOUZ1  +   936d ago
what? not even a question or thought, live is WAY better and has always been the worlds primary online service, n4g is just sony fanboys, but most other websites will tell you
BlaqMagiq24  +   936d ago
Live is the world's primary online service? LOL srry I couldn't help but laugh at that.
Treian  +   936d ago
Steam says hello...
Dlacy13g  +   936d ago
Gaikai hopefully will help Sony , I mostly want to see improvement in the area of patches and update deliveries for which right now PSN is horrid at.
KMCROC54  +   936d ago
I have no issue w/ paying for XBL & never will.
TheLastGuardian  +   936d ago
I almost feel sorry for the suckers who pay for Xbox Live. Paying to use services like Netflix that you already pay for, paying to access the multiplayer portion of the games you already paid for. LMAO. You could be using that money to buy a whole nother brand new game every year if MS weren't so damn money hungry. I sure as hell hope Sony won't stoop to Microsoft's level by charging for what should be free.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   936d ago
I pay for Xbox does that make me a sucker? I'm having a blast with XBL and its features nobody is getting suckered. Nobody can beat getting free games which is huge but it all depends on the person. I prefer social, connection, and updates changes and improvements like Internet Explorer and a better UI.

Calling people suckers is pretty messed up man no need diss and belittle people.
AngelicIceDiamond  +   936d ago
No Sony's doing fine with PSN if they had a pricing model like Xbox that would be a HUGE mistake and dig themselves a grave, a deeep grave. Charging for online is MS thing, its 2 different buissness models going on here.

For Sony, You pay for free games with + which is fantastic, with Xbox Live you're paying for a custom online GAMING service. Can't stress that enough with features like party chat and chat channels along with yearly updates to make social experience better and UI better, so its a tailor made online service made around specifically online and social gaming. So both service are great it depends on what the consumer is looking for.
Kaos_Vll  +   936d ago
"with Xbox Live you're paying for a custom online GAMING service. Can't stress that enough "

No, you are paying to have access to YOUR entire game. You're paying for the SAME services that others are getting for free. I can't stress THAT enough.

I'm sorry to insult, but the main people who don't have a problem with this are those that are under the age of 20 and are not insightful enough to know they are being taken advantage of.

And that's my whole problem with MS, taking advantage of someones love of hobby. These gamers either don't know/care and hopefully they will realise this one day and show MS that such tactics will no longer be tolerated.

It's not about cost and whether or not others can afford it. That's just an excuse live owners try convince themselves with. It's the principle behind it. Yes it's your money but dammit YOU are the ones that are encouraging other companies to rip us all off with such tactics.

Where do you think companies got the idea of the ONLINE PASS? They saw MS getting away with charging for it and decided to jump on board. I fear it's too late now, next gen is going to be even worse.
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BABY-JEDI  +   936d ago
DigitalAnalog  +   936d ago
The Vita already has this argument invalid. X-game chat and Party support is already supported off the box. They just need more games to exploit the system . It would not make sense for SONY to not take advantage of the online with the PS4, heck they've already invested in cloud, JUST in case it becomes the next thing.
MYSTERIO360  +   936d ago
Sony doesn't need to change their pricing model i like it the way it is already. I swear ive had a much more enjoyable experience on the PSN in 1 year then i have had on XBL in 5 years. Thats down to the fact that i can play online games whenever and dont need to worry about not playing games online, apps & chatting and being a PS+ member. PSN price model just work and is built for us gamers and not to satisfy their corporate greed
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PirateThom  +   936d ago
Why would anyone want Sony to adopt a pricing model?

What sort of madness is this where people want Sony to charge rather than Microsoft make their service free?

Are you that conditioned to paying to use your own connection on a p2p service everyone should do it?

There's games on Live that have closed as well... hell, the whole XBox online service closed, PS2 online for games is still running.
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joeorc  +   936d ago
Charge for online design, does not mean Sony needs to make it based on what microsoft is doing, you want to pay for online both Sony and Microsoft offer means to their service to offer paid content..

Have people just forget Sony is getting money from playstation home.?

Sony has more than just playstation + to provide resources to sonys online upkeep for servers, publishers paying for ads for their products in playstation home hub and theatre ads for new release movies.

THERE IS OVER 22 MILLION! unique users of home on a daily basis using the service 80 min at a time on average. Sony is gettin some money from that and new content releasing everyweek is proving that the Psn is able to gather more money for Sony asides of just relying on psn+
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