John Carmack Speaks: 30fps on consoles, 60fps on the PC - Doom 3 levels more taxing than RAGE's

DSOGaming writes: "John Carmack has just revealed in QuakeCon 2012 what we knew all this time. Remember when we were claiming in some of our articles that Doom 3 modded looked better than RAGE? Well, the man himself said that Doom 3 levels were more taxing than the ones of RAGE, especially due to the stencil shadows and its more complex lighting system"

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hiptanaka1844d ago

Carmack lost my respect with the PC version of Rage. What a damn shame that was.

TheLeapist1844d ago

You know nothing. I don't know for sure all the things you didn't appreciate about that game but I am 100% certain that every last one of them are things that Carmack has little to nothing to do with.

I swear people act like he made the entire game by himself.

hiptanaka1844d ago

He was a little something called Technical Director. And you obviously know nothing if you weren't aware of the VAST array of technical problems that dogged the PC version from day one.

wicko1844d ago (Edited 1844d ago )

You mean the technical problems that were solved almost immediately by updated drivers from AMD? Talk about being bitter, I can think of far worse launches than that.

BattleAxe1844d ago

Carmack would make a great Circuit City employee, nothing more.

MysticStrummer1844d ago

Even with no technical problems, it's just an exceedingly mediocre game. I had the same reaction to Rage that I had to Doom 3. Played for a few hours, got bored, and never touched the game again.

lonesoul651844d ago

take the game out completely...the engine tech is what really held it back. From pour muddy textures when you are up close, to texture popping. Remember a time when people used to license iD's engines? Not anymore...

Ser1843d ago

Agreed with MysticStrummer. Rage was boring. I literally played for ONE AFTERNOON and have yet to touch it again.

MikEyG1843d ago

So I was mistakin when I heard Carmack say that his developer's had utilized all 8 core's of the PS3 cpu to avoid texture stream problem's and I must have been hearing thing's when he stated that the texture's were the big thing with this game yet game's before it like fallout 3 battlefield 2 and numourous other's have much better resoulution when up close so go blow carmack in another forum

TheLeapist1843d ago

This is like blaming the guys that coded the unreal engine for any game that uses it that has issues. Once again, you know nothing about programming or what goes into making a game and you're making it more and more obvious.

Kurylo3d1843d ago (Edited 1843d ago )


You do realize that it was his company that made the game as well as the engine. I can understand not blaming him if another company used the engine and made the assets wrong, but cmon now... The company that made the engine made the game. If they cant show off what its capable of then no one can. Only Carmack and the people who worked for him are to blame.

As much of a fan i am, the dude is oldschool. Currently he just doesnt shine one bit. Games werent complex back then.. they were just find the key and shoot things. Its gotta be more then that these days. Plus hes no longer even on the cutting edge graphically. Sure mega textures are a good idea.. but apparently it was mostly in theory. Not in practice so far. Maybe when cpus get better.

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StayStatic1843d ago

Yup , don't expect an apology from Bobby Kotick any time soon , Carmack + 1 , now make Doom 4 awesome on PC.

AO1JMM1843d ago

Yet all these children on here (look at above posts) will still cry about it.

Eyesoftheraven1844d ago

I haven't lost respect by a long shot; it's a tough world and a very tough business/lifestyle. I was merely just disappointed in a title I was never especially excited over to begin with. Lessons learned, then gradually surfacing; we may hope to see better & proper PC support with future iD titles.

ninjahunter1844d ago

If your talking about the bugs and bad texture loading and ATI incompatibility, those are all fixed. That games so optimized you could get 60FPS on a $500 laptop. Or whatever Piece of junk you can find at goodwill.

Other than that John didnt have anything to do with the other flaws, so please check your facts before you stick your hand up your ass and start throwing what you find.

tee_bag2421844d ago (Edited 1844d ago )

I don't get all the carmack hate. How can you loose respect for a guy who is out there trying?! Sure, Rage was a disappointment to alot of people... Get over it! Try directing your hate into the mirror.

lonesoul651844d ago

I really don't think people hate Carmack...the things he has done for the industry as a whole are legendary. I think it has more to do with him talking a little too much. He has kinda become the Sony(not PS3 guys) of the games industry. He has amazing vision and the ability to R&D some great tech, but it takes someone else after him to perfect it.

TheGameFoxJTV1843d ago

These are dumb kids. Nothing you say will change their opinion. They're talking down on him, yet he's the one with actual influence, respect, and a good view of how this industry works.

this is just another example of ignorant kids thinking they know everything that goes on in the industry just because they play the games.

Just like how a month ago they were all complaining about AC3 being all pro-american. Yet, low and behold, newest trailer shows Connor killing colonist as well. They will always complain first.

meetajhu1844d ago (Edited 1844d ago )

AMD fked up. Nvidia had 0 problems on day one. It's not only Rage almost every game doesn't run properly on AMD GPUs. AMD user are also not smart to identify the problem, there IQ is easily test from buying a AMD product

PersonMan1844d ago

"AMD fked up. Nvidia had 0 problems on day one. It's not only Rage almost every game doesn't run properly on AMD GPUs. AMD user are also not smart to identify the problem, there IQ is easily test from buying a AMD product"

Reading this entire post of yours makes me believe you are an AMD user. How did you put it?... Not smart... yup.

StayStatic1843d ago

Agreed , Saints Row 3 is another game that is subject to bad AMD drivers , playable but disappointing when similar peroforming Nvidia cards run roughly 50% faster in terms of FPS for some games.

It's kind of hit and miss with AMD because there are a lot of games that work really well too.

PockyKing1843d ago

I feel ike 60 percent of THQ games run bad on AMD drivers. I have the AMD Radeon HD 6670 and both Red Faction games are almost unplayable, Warhammer 40K Space Marine same. Company of Heroes and Darksiders are the only THQ games I have that run smooth.

SPAM-FRITTER-1231843d ago (Edited 1843d ago )

@TheLeapist... right so carmack just said here is what i want.....make it.

NO he never. it was his game and his name. why would he let such a wreck leave his company knowing it was broken from the get go.

Rage had such a big build up it was like we had to buy it. it did not perform to standard and made him look stupid.

on a previous post he said: Doom4 will be ready when its ready, more than likely it will be crap BUT over hyped like Rage was. he is making out like everyone is begging him for Doom4. yes we want Doom4 BUT not by you.

OT:great, Nvidia was fine but AMD was not.

try explaining that to the PS3 owners who paid the same price as Xbox users for Skyrim.

why should I as a AMD user be treat different because i chose a different company.

Rage was released for PC not Nvidia.

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john21844d ago

Well, the first thing he did in QuakeCon was to apologize for the PC version of RAGE :P

HaVoK3081843d ago

Lost your Respect? I am sure he loses sleep at night. Not very good with priorities I take it?

SPAM-FRITTER-1231843d ago

after playing his PS2 port of Rage i will not be buying his games till he respects the platform that built his company.

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TheRacingX1844d ago

Thanks for imparting your wisdom on us John.... no kidding a PC is more powerful than current consoles, current consoles are 7+ yr old tech. Why don't you explain why id hasn't made a good game in 20 yrs, everything is graphics this, shadows that, how about a game thats fun to play?

BiggCMan1844d ago

I understand what you are saying, but Rage was actually very fun to play despite it's awful story, and flat world. The gameplay, as most people will actually say, was the only highlight of the game. The guns feel so good in your hand, and the physics that each and every bullet has on the specific spot on each enemy is astounding. The guns are varied, and very fun to use. The problem is the missions, they get repetitive, and NPC's are more dull than a Bethesda game (questionable). If that same gameplay is brought back in a sequel, or even a new IP, but with a much better world and story, it could be one hell of a game.

MysticStrummer1844d ago (Edited 1844d ago )

How far do I have to get into the game before it gets fun? I bought the game cheap a few weeks ago and I can't muster the will to play it anymore. I actually deleted it to make room for the Dust 514 beta. I kept my save file, but my weekend beta pass is long over with and I have no desire to reinstall Rage. I'm about 3 or 4 hours in I guess, and I haven't seen this fun gameplay you're talking about.

@Taquito - " serious, there is NOTHING on console that looks even close to RAGE" Ohhh... you are blind and/or insane.

TheRacingX1841d ago (Edited 1841d ago )

@ Mystic Summer , I'm 14.5 hrs into the game, ( doing the side missions along with the main story ) its a lot of fetch quests, get me this , bring that back, shoot the mutants blocking your path, VERY repetitive, the bright spot I think are the races to participate in town, the story is typical Fallout 3 post apocalyptic stuff, it does pick up somewhat, there are 'mini' boss fights in the main story , but , like you I pushed through hoping for the wow to kick in, I think I just may race through the main story just to finish it and be done.....

beerkeg1843d ago

'Why don't you explain why id hasn't made a good game in 20 yrs, everything is graphics this, shadows that, how about a game thats fun to play? '

What a load of crap. Doom came out in 1993, that's 19 years ago. The sequel came out a year later which was even better. Quake (1996) came out after that, an amazing game that was great in SP, but also made an impact with its multiplayer. Quake 2 (1997) came out which was even better. Quake 3 (1999) came out and become one of the top games for gaming tornaments.

Doom 3, while critised by some, was still a great game and received high scores across the board.

Quake 4 was handled by Raven.

Which leaves us with Rage. It may not have been their best game, but it was still a good solid shooter and a departure from what they usually do. It was in no way a bad game.

They also made a couple of great games for mobile phones.

They've done quite a bit for gaming in the last twenty years, I see no reason to hate on them. And they haven't made one bad game.

NeoTribe1843d ago