Surfer Girl states that the development cost of Killzone 2 has doubled to €42 million/$60 million because Guerrilla's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills.
i have to say is show me the money guirella.im stoked for killzone but we havent seen it since e3.give me something to get excited over again.resistance 2 has got my eye bigtime now.it would be great to see new killzone 2 so show it or blow it!!!!!!!
"In far less time and with less people, Insomniac have a far better title that is further along in development." Since the news from R2, I gave up from KZ2... Guerrilla never made a GREAT game and Insomniac releases one EVERY year! So I will pre-order R2, but for KZ2 I will have to wait for reviews.
"Guerrilla never made a GREAT game" Give it a rest. If the original Killzone had been on the Xbox and had the same massive marketing budget it would have been a 9.5/10 game. Killzone is a GREAT game. Killzone Liberation is a GREAT game. The fact that Killzone 2 is seen as a competitor to Halo and the most obvious example of the gigantic graphical power advantage the PS3 over the 360 means the game and company has an unprecedented amount of hate and rage directed towards both the company and its games. Killzone 2 will be unlike anything anyone has ever played before running on an engine the likes of which have never been seen before in a game. If the damn Halo franchise wasn't around we wouldn't even be wasting our time with these speculations and inane ramblings from the media. Both Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 are going to be part of what will certainly be the single greatest lineup for a console ever.
A CG target render in 2005 then my socks (which by the way I still cannot find) were blown off in 2007. What people fail to understand is that R&D from Guerrilla goes towards helping out other first party titles. Have no fear I don't think we will be let down.
Articles, rumors, etc. like the latest garbage are a perfect example of how the media decides on a story and the goes about trying to warp reality to fit their story. A first person shooter... On a Playstation console... A console that isn't 'the first person shooter' console... That everyone used as an example of Sony lying about graphics... And then the game is demoed realtime matching what was claimed wouldn't be possible till the PS4... The game HAS to suck. It simply isn't right that after all of that that Killzone 2 is an amazing game. It's just not fair. If you thought the hate for Sony and the PS3 from the media was strong the past year, just wait for what the gaming media will try to do to this game. Killzone 2 will be trashed without mercy and savaged in reviews. It simply HAS TO BE.
Sony or Guerrilla. I wonder what they think about having their development being spied on.
"surfer girl" is a game tester. Who has lots of other game tester friends. The sad thing is, there are bad and/or untrue rumors on the inside of companies too. :\
"So I will pre-order R2, but for KZ2 I will have to wait for reviews." Resistance 2 will be the excuse reviewers use to be able to trash Killzone 2. They will be able to claim 'I'm not biased! I gave Resistance 2 a good score' when they rip into Killzone 2. You don't have to wait for Killzone 2 reviews from sites like 1Up. You can write them yourselves: Killzone 2 Doesn't Live Up To The Sony Hype Sure it has 'pretty' graphics but that doesn't make Killzone 2 a good game...blah,blah,blah... The are reviewers out there whose high point of this console generation will be how well they savage Killzone 2 in their review.
Geurilla are trying to prevent massive overhype by keeping quiet on the games major features but retards keep hyping it up anyway, saying the game won't be great. You're a bonifide moron if you do.
Guerrilla has never made a good game? As far as I know they've only ever made 3; KZ, Shellshock and KZ Liberation. And KZ was originally a PC game that was ported to the PS2, which was their first ever PS2 game. On the other hand Insomniac has made 10+ titles and already have a working PS3 engine they only have to optimize now.
Shelshock was great (play it, you don't even need a Crysis-running PC) and Killzone Liberation too (just search for reviews!). Killzone was OK for me, has many great points, but fail on some basic features... It even made it to have some solid fanbase! So how the hell Guerrilla never made a great game?
Sorry dude, but I played Xbox games based on the Killzone engine and they were all complete crap. Amazingly low standards compared to the norm in the shooter genre on Xbox at the time. I felt the same way about SOCOM, it feeled like a a dumbed down mix between Ghost Recon and Conflict: Desert Storm, and playing it online was terrible compared to Ghost Recon. The PS2 never really had any good shooters at all... except the Tom Clancy games that were on Xbox with more features and better graphics.
That kinda scares me. I'm gonna buy it but i'd love to see at least some screens from a new level.
I would like to see a daylight level... Their lightning engine is pretty good on dark, but would be very hard to keep the same amount of photorealism on a sunny day. And since the helghast are capable of controlling the weather I don't think thats going to happen. Convenient...
Agreed. I fear Killzone might not live up to the hype. Great graphics with sub-par gameplay. I'm still going back and forth about it, but when it's finally released we'll all know if it was all worth it or not.
i have never stood out to defend killzone before but just because of what surfer girl says i will have to. Killzone 2 will surpass resistance 2 in terms of graphics and gameplay. Level design and weapons will probably go to insomniac but in terms of pure visuals and gameplay killzone 2 will come out on top. Very bold statements by surfer girl but what i have seen is enough...At this point guerilla would have to be retarded to screw up killzone's gameplay. Excellent cover system the killer animations to the crazy graphics and lighting. Resistance 2 will however rape killzone on the online element 8 player coop and 60 player matches can't be touched.
Like every other random and vague surfer boy "predictions", this one seems just as baseless. One would have to be very high up the chain of command to quote such digits with accuracy. Even more far fetched is the "resentment" by Insomniac. Looks like Surfer dude is riding the wave of internet fads. No pun intended. ps. It's obvious Sony and Guerrilla won't comment on such things but it'll be interesting to see Insomniac lash out against their names being used falsely. ;)
I don't believe it personally. Let's get everyone thinking that internal relations are deteriorating! Sure. Insomniac would have no reason to be disgruntled...they're NOT first party. Secondly, they're making TONS of money. Nice try, but this is why common sense prevail.
Hello. I come to save the day with my insider sources. Alrighty. First of all, the guy who said this, ISN'T surfer girl. There's a snitch inside Insomniac games. This is the same snitch who gave her the alpha screen shot, and the same snitch that tells her of all Sony's internal rumblings. This general "resentment" is just pure BS, Insomniac doesn't hate Guerrilla games, they don't hate anyone. And since I have a cousin there (At Guerrila), I know what they'll be showing at GDC, the graphics are nice, the environment is new and varied, they don't have a high turnover rate, and most of the stuff said in there is pretty baseless.
The way it was written on the site it's hard to tell if it was a quote or "her" writing it. Either way like I mentioned, I find it hard to believe anyone at Insomniac has beef with any other developer. They all seem like a cool bunch of people.
insomniac gives credit and thanks to guerrilla games for their input, especially with the release of games like Ratchet FTOD... baseless indeed because everyone who works for first party and second party devs for Sony shares back and forward with tidbits on developing... which is why this here holds no water.. secondly as genki has stated their would be no beef with GG and Insomniac because insomniac isn't first party they have no ties or binding contract with Sony or any of them. what they ahve is a great relation, and you can see that with insomniac on their . where it list sucker punch and guerrilla and naughtydog evolution and all the other studios that develop for Sony. with this being said i call total BS on this. it's way too unsound and idiotic. why Insomniac has been nominated as one of the best companies to work for for 4 consecutive years. if having beef with another company that they give tips and shares how to's with and relate so closely with was apart of their resume, i dont think they would have had a 4 year streak in having one of the best places to work yearly in the top 5 so many times... BS BS BS... surfer girl or who ever pieced this unsound thing against my fav company of the next gen and the upcoming ones, grow the hell up.
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http://forums.n4g.com/m_644... Comon, it's not that big of a deal, I've known it for a long, long time. Thanks for the props, right back at each one of you.
this sounds like to much of a fanboys wet-dream to be true (xbox people like me). But on the other hand shane on 1up did describe something like this.
That is sad and disturbing that you would come on a PS3 post and write something like this, on the other hand, I applaud your candor though misguided you are. Never take pleasure in the misery of others, lest you be the one suffering the misery in the future.
I am pretty sure I denounced this as prob untrue, but I can see how your overuse of giant words could confuse you
What misery? What giant words? What are you guys smoking?
Wow... doesn't sound good.
Agreed. Whether people realize it or not this is bad news for the game, the lack of funs or the possiblity of running out of funds means that they MIGHT have to cut corners. Anyhow, I hope the game turns out well. I didn't like the original Killzone, thought it was garbage, but the PSP game was fun.
Liberation is an excellent game. The replayability is so high and just as first the first and fifteenth time around. I hope Killzone2 can match or surpass Liberation, otherwise Guerilla can continue making more Killzone PSP titles. I won't have a problem with that at all.
this is just to scare people into thinking that the game will not be good, thus causing GG to release new KZ info to counter everyone's opinion. Actually, its a nice strategy to use on a media stand point, but this also leads me to believe that surfer girl has no idea what he/she is talking about(which in most cases is probably true.) In all fairness, i will approve this, but lets not take this as fact, for he/she does not have any hard evidence to support such claims.
But maybe the game will be really good...
please don't fall for it...
KILLZONE 2 FTW!!!!!!!! I love Killzone personally, i'll be playing this nonstop along with Resistance 2
i just hope the dev team are perfectionists or something because that ain't no small chunk of change... i have a feeling a lot of people will be canned if this game... well... cans
But I do think Killzone 2 will at least be better than the original.
They'd have to screw up pretty bad to miss that mark :P
I'm thinking this game will be another huge waste, graphics aside what does it have? I dont know about you but I will definately be getting bored after 2 hours of fighting through dark cities. Resistance 2 looks so much better.
"graphics aside, what does it have?" Well it's got physics, which is nice. Plus the enemies are awesome. Like sci-fi nazis from hell, but cool instead of slightly dorky. Destructible environments a la Black You've only seen a few minutes of video, and all of it was mindblowing. They've been very secretive about information. How can you ask "what does it have"? Please explain why it's a bad thing for it to have spectacular graphics.
I didn't think any part of any KZ2 trailer was "spectacular". It had a few moments where the depth-of-field effect was really cool, and sure, the original CG trailer had a "neat-o" effect until you find out it's fake... It looks pretty decent, but so does COD4. COD4 is nowhere near a technical achievement when it comes to graphics, it's boring and bland, and everything is one grey-brown washy colour. It doesn't look bad by any means, but keep in mind it was built to hit 60fps on console hardware... The fact that I get 90fps on my PC at twice the resolution of a console, with more visual effects and better textures simply tells me this game is not meant to push hardware the way games like Crysis did.
Then why is Sony not doing anything? This sounds too bad to be true. How is it that Sony suddenly lets a studio work independently without their supervision and command? Or maybe they're doing too many experiments with technology that it seems that resources are being wasted when they aren't...
Although I can believe that that a company can spend $60M on a video game, I really doubt that Sony (or whoever is financing Guerilla) would stand idly by if things were aa big a clusterf*ck as surfer girl implies. Any company spending that much money would be parachuting in their best managerial and development commandos at any sign their investment was at risk.
My #1 most wanted game this year. The video's they showed off were nothing short of stunning. They have a lot riding on this game and I'm glad they are taking their time, but if it goes beyond 08 I'm afraid it will fizzle before it even has a chance to shine.
I kind of know what to expect in RFOM2 and I just thought RFOM didn't look very good. It was a decent FPS, but nothing but average. I'm a graphics wh*re and KZ2 looks to scratch that itch. I'm sure RFOM2 will be a good game, but they need to greatly improve the graphics to get my attention and I'm hoping they do.
maybe time to change your avatar?
cause that post completely contradicted what the avatar represents
i think its nice that i can have mature discussions with you now- this new update is amazing, it worked beautifully
I agree. Actually, I'm thinking about losing this whole account or changing the name or something. I don't think it fit's into the way this site is going.. Which I love BTW!
Wow InYourMom that was acctually a non-biased remark, its good to see you talking in an orderly fasion, wow this new site update is really doing wonders.
I've never heard such an unbiased comment from him. That was actually level-headed with non-fanatical opinions (nothing wrong with having an opinion) espressing his take on the games. I'm impressed. Hopefully this is the future of this site.
well for that kind of money the graphics had better match up to the initial trailer
anyways i still think that KZ2 will be an excellent title- no matter what this surfer character says
its a first day buy for me
Your my favorite Zhuk,Evil Zhuk lol yeah screw Surfer Girl(or guy?)and her BS predictions/thoughs;)
i wonder if Surfer girl is hot?
I think it is man, no way it is a "girl". Maybe in his transvestite head, but nah no way it is girl. Girls don't waste time on such stuff.
i would throw my ps3 off my balcony if surfer girl was Jessica Alba.
I'm sorry to disappoint you man. Jessica Alba is pregnant. :( guys worst nightmare.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jkz, lol...
That is one lucky guy, that should have been me... ;)
Well said man!!!
Why do I get the feeling that surfer girl is actually an obese fat chic with acne that smells like "Cheeto's" and lives with 28 cats because she has no friends?
As long as they improve the AI il be happy the demo from E3 didnt give any confidence in this area but im presuming they hadnt put the AI in yet as the enemies just stood there..
LAUGH OUT LOUD... maybe because that was a pre alpha version almost 2 years beofre it will even be released.
SAY WHAT YOU THINK... But Killzone 2 is gonna speak for itself when it arrives. They won't screw it up. Who the F is Surfer Girl anyways, and what does she mean to Sony? This probably isn't true. I doubt she's at Amsterdam's Guerilla studios which has more than 200 people working on this game... I doubt "surfer girl" is aloud in and let known about the development process of Killzone 2.
We will wait and see. I bet they won't release Killzone 2 until it's PERFECT... even if it's in 2009.
This is a HUGEEEEEEEE project some of u guys are trying to underestimate and pretending they didn't learn from there mistakes from the first game. Killzone 2 is going to be HUGE.
Thats great news, a budget that size can only mean good things. Still anyway just because they are spending alot, doesn't mean the game will be bad, anyone who thinks that really has got to think to themselves.
lair had a huge budget.
well actually...... halo 3
dont mean to sound fanboyish in the gamer zone, but seriously..... halo 3
its just my opinion- sorry if i offended any halo fans
Triple post FTW!!! lol
Never seen a triple post before
i am terribly sorry to be talking about this in the gamerzone but, halo 3 was a good title and i think that it's large budget only helped that
dont worry about it, not tryin to sound fanboyish