Tekken series director Katsuhiro Harada is under the impression that people are too busy discussing the raw technical power of Wii U, rather than the system’s unique capabilities.
Well, Wii U is suppose to be a next gen console, how are specs not going to be a main focus?
This matey is right, there is too much focus on Wii us specs. Hopefully they release the next tekken for the Sega genesis
Specs were never the main focus during the pre-PS2 days.........I wonder why.......... Funny how NOW all the sudden it's all about teh specz.
It's both sides talking about graphics. You call the Wii U weak you get yelled at, you call the Wii U next gen and powerful its all good. I'm playing the wait and see game. You even said it, it's not the most powerful who wins, is the Wii U destined to fail ? I doubt it. You cant put this old dog down.
Who said it wasn't? I remember how people always debated PS2 vs Xbox in forums. Sure, Xbox had better specs but before it came out, the PS2 was the king in the market, it killed the Dreamcast and then pooped on it for shits and giggles.
@shok That's because not alot of people had as much access to the internet as they do now,there are tech demos of the ps2 on you tube,I why people are focusing so much on the specs are,reports saying it's at par with current gen,Nintendo either making inconsistent remarks or letting gaming journalist twist their word,they should've just said "we'er better than current gen".
Specs were always the focus, I remember back in the Sega Master System/SNES days talking about how many "bits" a console had, and then how crazy it was that PS1 was 32-bit.
Graphics had ALWAYS been a focus to talk about regarding consoles ever since the Atari 2600 days if not earlier.
I love how I said "during the pre-PS2 days", and then everyone starts talking about the blast-processing and bits from the Genesis days lol xD. Point is, specs didn't matter for the Sony fans during the PS2 and even PS1 days for that matter. But then, when Sony finally makes the strongest console, now specs are everything. You guys knew what I was saying lol.
shok whats pre mean fool?! pre ps2 is anytime before ps2 lol and it doesnt matter when as far as gaming goes. Specs have always been a focus in gaming. even now sony isnt the strongest.
@jetlian By pre I meant during the period of time before the PS2's launch, or more generally, right before the 6th gen launched. I understand how you would think I was saying anytime before that though, I did kinda word that the wrong way lol. But yea I meant at the start of the 6th gen.
@shok is right specs didn't matter back in the pre ps2 era. The console wars back then people fought about which company had the best games not the specs.
The Wii-PS3 difference that's why. I know the games coming out now for the Wii U aren't indicative of it's true power, but what is shown shows that Wii U is barely over this gen just as people believe the Wii is barely over last gen. So people see this and are expecting the Wii U-PS4 difference to be the same as Wii-PS3. You're right about the specs not mattering though. It's all about teh gamez, but what games does the Wii U have currently that will make a Sony fan want the Wii U? I have no doubt that the Wii U will have great software in the future. I guess people are eager for specs so that they can buy the system based off the great games that can be possibly be produced with high specs lol? Or maybe they just want endurance that the Wii U will indeed be on par or at very close to the other consoles next gen? I really don't know, but I'm certain people will buy the Wii U as long as it has good games whether or not if it is significantly weaker than the other consoles or not.
"It's both sides talking about graphics. You call the Wii U weak you get yelled at, you call the Wii U next gen and powerful its all good. I'm playing the wait and see game. You even said it, it's not the most powerful who wins, is the Wii U destined to fail ? I doubt it. You cant put this old dog down." exactly 100% it seem's many are missing the freaking point, just look at the recent Nintendo 3DS launch. Nintendo launched the 3DS and asked $250.00 for their system, that Had only 6 MB of VRram! now pretty much every other handheld device has more VRram than that, even the PSVita has 128MB of dedicated VRram. Not saying the Nintendo 3DS does not have great games or anything like that, but the point many are making is some gamer's like myself will wait to see what my Money is really buying. both Sony , Microsoft and pretty much every company that has PC's, Hand helds like smartphones and Tablets give the system full spec's when they post info about their devices. and the info is quite a bit more info about their product, than with what Nintendo gives about the product's they release. Its not about boasting about the Hardware it's about giving more info about your product. just because some PR guy spouts off about the hardware "every company does that anyway", does not mean it negates the fact they are being upfront with the consumer with what you are buying with your money. that's why i many times wait on buying a Nintendo product, not that Nintendo does not make some good hardware, or the fact they make some fantastic games, i would like to know what kinda money im going to spend on their hardware and depending on that i may wait because I think i would be paying too much for it off the bat and i would wait for a price drop before i buy it. Now that's just me, but i do that with any thing i buy.
Why are people dismissing specs of a next gen console all of a sudden because it's Nintendo. I'm not saying hate on it and join in on the doom and gloom but come on. Things like "It dosen't matter" or "Specs shouldn't be the main focus" Are you guys kidding me come on, don't think that your being Mr Negative by pretending to say it's not about specs, like your afraid to show anything negative about it because it is about specs. It's a next gen console the best thing about when a new console is revealed is what it can do and how far games and the tec can be pushed. If people saw something as amazing as Uncharted 2 when the PS3 was revealed do you think people who just dismiss specs. Your jaw would be on the floor, you be interested in them because you would be thinking at the time "No way is that real time....no way, Sony is lying, show us the specs Sony" The problem is that too much time in focusing on the controler like it's some Wii add on. Disagree but you know I'm right, when a console is announced the best thing is knowing how much this console will change gaming when it comes out...
Well said +bub Thats the problem with the Nintendo faithfuls on here they try to act like specs don't matter to them. Yet they go around posting fake specs or you see them in one of those rumored specs articles.
So true. The die hard Nintendo followers contradict themselves just to suit the case in hand. Wii - graphics don't matter, because gameplay > graphics (convenient, as the Wii is an extremely under-powered piece of kit). All you need is fun. Wii U - the next gen is here! Wii U is definitely more powerful than the 360/PS3 !! Oh, but fun is important too.. 3DS? Vita already has it beaten hands down in the specs department, so fall back to the gameplay > graphics argument.
LOL_Wat, Since you seem to be able to read dribble why not translate that mess for the rest of us.I didnt see one single coherent sentence in his entire post. Seriously the dude asks why people dont care about specs and you think that deserves a bubble? Must just be because he is hating Nitnendo because nothing he said made any real sense or added to the discussion in any way,. Most of the people worried about Specs are 10-14 year old first gen gamers who are clueless to how generations actually work. Judging by his incoherent rambling I'd sayhe fits in that age group. Funny how Sony fanboys like you guys went form Power is all that matters to " Its all about the game play. Funny the highest rated exclusive this gen was on the Wii not the PS3. That is proof enough that power doesnt matter. If anything Nintendo fans are just tired of your fanboy rants bout power and bring it up in hopes of shutting you up for once but in true fanboy fashion rather than accept facts and move on with life you suddenly change the argument just to have something to cry about.
"Disagree but you know I'm right, when a console is announced the best thing is knowing how much this console will change gaming when it comes out..." You must mean change "Graphics" not "Gaming", i think you too casually dismiss the potential of the gamepads influence to change "Gaming" or to evolve it. I agree graphics are very improtant, but i would be lying if i said that i understood spec talk. But remember games arent remembered coz of their awesome graphics. YES, Power is improtant... but Gameplay is immortal. @LOL_WUT Thats the problem with YOU on here, you act as if specs matter to you(face it you have as much clue as i do, no doubt after reading this you will go and research it). Yet you go around posting trolling comments on all Nintendo articles. Pull your head in.
console gamers are not supposed to worry about specs.. That is why consoles are made.
They are pc fanboys deep down *chuckles*
Yeah, and if people are not focusing on specs, what exactly are they supposed to be focusing on? I still don't see the point of this hardware.
My god the answer to that is so simple its almost pathetic that you had to ask. The GAMES kid THE GAMES. Sony never released full specs for the PS3 yet it didnt stop you frombuying it. What did you focus on with it the color sxcheme? no the games
Umm how boutz focusing on...... wait for it.... drumroll please.... GAMES! YAY!... puddle beat me too it.
Well, I agree with you both, but if that's the case, I don't think Nintendo are doing a good job of promoting them. Remind me what the launch lineup is again please.
The Wii U, is next gen by timing of its release and by name only. The Wii U is as next gen as the Wii was current gen. BY NAME ONLY! The Wii didn't get Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, GTAIV, Max Payne, BF3 etc. Why? It NEXT GEN! Because its tech WASN'T! Its nice for people to want things, but history will show you, theses specs really mean NOTHING in terms of 3rd party development. There will be no main ips on the Wii U that are going to be on the PS4 and 720.
of-course because who wants to pay $300 for what will essentially be an Xbox 360 with a tablet with buttons?
The 360 can run Unreal Engine 4? Can run Nintendo games in HD? Has Assassin's Creed and Batman Arkham City running at 1080p? Also, I fail to see how it can only be a 360 when it can run gameplay on both the TV and two screens (albeit at a lower framerate on the controller screens) at the same time. This must be the era when Power7 based processors suddenly became the cheap models.
Neither one of those games where promised to be in HD lol. And unreal 4 can be ran on most devices even the itouch, that was already confirmed. And not everyone likes Nintendo, Sony, and MS exclusives many average gamers are on that third party grind.
Exactly, the system is pretty powerful if you look at what it's able to do.
Yeah and keep playing an outdated console while they're charging you high price for it....
yes. But better graphics means longer games, more advanced ai, bigger worlds, more dynamic events...etc.
Better graphics has nothing to with any of those things...
yes it does. better hardware=better graphics and the points mentioned above
Did you ever stop to think...who will be making these amazing games? 3rd party publishers. I question, if they didn't port to Wii....why port to Wii U? From PS4 and 720 of course.
I agree, gamers should be focusing on real issues like letting Nintendo know that the do not want the pointless restriction like region locking. Not asking for information that really doesn't mater. Power doesn't dictate the number of enjoyable game on a system, so I don't see what's mater if the WiiU is only as powerful as the 360, or twice as powerful as the PS3. Break the locks.
And all I'm thinking is this coming from a rep for a company that took years to get out Tekken 6(?) promising a new level of graphics, only to produce something on the same level of Tekken 3.
This Wii U is suppose to be the next gen system. People will ALWAYS focus on something that will give them the best bang for their buck.
People who want a console with the best specs have a small penis and can't afford a Porch 911.
If specs don't matter... Why just not bring the tablet controller for the old Wii? New and strong hardware doesn't matter at all! Meh WiiU will just be on par with current gen anyways. All these claims of Wiiboys saying it'll be 3 x as powerful as the 360/PS3, but then again they also believe it sells for 299. How teh hell will it be 3 x as powerful as 360/PS3 and have that pricy bulky tablet controller for 299 bucks? Impossible. If it has to be 3 x as powerful plus that tablet controller, price will be more like 400 bucks. Seeing the fact that Nintendo announced that games will be 720p and not 1080p, its all pointing to similair hardware. And those saying 'it'll only be launch games in 720p, lateron 1080p' is nonsense. Sony claimed this too with the PS3 you know... But 99,9% of all games were and are in 720p. Look at the picture added. Says it all!
You can buy a $70 GPU today that would be about 3x more powerful than the 360 and PS3's. And since it's a company buying parts in bulk, it would cost them much less, we're talking %50 or even less. So really they could buy a $120 GPU which would cost Nintendo just $60 or less. And btw, Nintendo said that THEIR games will be running in 720p for launch, they didn't include 3rd-parties, seeing as how Assassin's Creed 3 and Arkham city are running in native 1080p, WITH the screen on the uPad.
Show me proof that AC3 and Arkam are 1080p native on the WiiU. There's no evidence for this rumour, just the word of some random guy who said some random Nintendo rep said it... hardly conclusive. @NutSack, you're talking shite, shut the fuck up and get back in your cage.
@Sam Oh that was a rumor? Huh, I thought that was a confirmation. Either way, Colonial Marines looks better on the Wii U than current gen, and based off the screens I've seen, Arkham City looks better as well. That's the point here.
Sure you're absolutely right as far as buying GPU and CPU in bulk at discounted prices, but people act like those are the only components that comprise the make up of a console! Although I concede they are the backbone of said console. But if true that just just brings up more points of discussion! I think it was also talked about the pad having it's own separate CPU and GPU or hybrids of some kind, ir-regardless that neither here nor there! The point I'm trying to make is that the price of those two components just doubled. No one even knows how much the screen itself will cost.
" ir-regardless" There is no such word. It's just regardless
E6760 GPU- Similar to 6770M (Power over 360 3-4x) Retail: 110 Nintendo pays: 70 2 GB and other consoles parts ( ARM chip, DSP, WiFi) Nintendo Pays: 40 Modified and rolled back Power7 CPU Nintendo pays: 110 Foxconn manufacturing: 15 Console total: 235 Controller parts- same as Dualshock Cost: 25 Case and NFC: 6 dollars Screen- single tough non-HD: 9 Non HD Webcam and Mic: 5 bucks Cost:45 it cost about 235 dollars to make the consoles and 45 to make the controller: TOTAL COST TO MAKE A WIIU: 280. Profit plus R&D: RETAIL PRICE: $349 Nintendo could make a profit on a console 3.5 times the 360/PS3 with the controller for about 280 bucks, plus profit and r/D retail for 350
Dude.........nice post lol.
Yeah what you just list is plausible! But is if fact? No I think not. You listing components that nintendo haven't even hinted at using is for the most part a failed attempt at trying to add some type of validity to your hopes that nintendo is for the most part going to sell you and millions others a console under $350. The screen for example, why would they use a non HD screen for a HD tablet? It is supposed to do 1080p resolutions isn't it? Next the camera, you list a sub HD product again! Why? If nintendo is using a HD screen for the tablet why would they use a sub HD camera if people will be viewing the media directly on the tablet?! Sound like someone cutting corners if you ask me! You still haven't said anything about power supply, ventilation, connectivity what it using blu tooth? Last I heard nintendo would be using their own media format! Is it a standard format? I'm willing to bet it's not, they have always been the black sheep when it comes to their media. Which now raises the question of how said media will be played, not a blu ray player and more than likely not a regular dvd player. Some list just enough to try and prove a point, but that doesn't necessarily equate to their point being proven! @puddlejumper75 Since you were so quick to try to point out that "IRREGARDLESS" is not a word, maybe you should grab a webster dictionary ! And Oh, while you're at it pass on that bit of information to those that agreed with you.
Agreed. I think many are mad because its just the sad truth. This is the Wii ALL OVER AGAIN! and many can't take it. I mean, its releasing with specs on par with what we know as the current gen. JUST Like the Wii released with specs just above what was the current gen last gen, PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast, XB etc. Didn't get it ports from PS3 and 360, so i really don't see it getting ports from 720 and PS4. I question...does anyone even have anything to say to even prove those facts wrong? LMFAO! Don't embarrass yourselves over something so dumb. Nintendo could care less making a "beast" system, if they did, they would make it with one of the years BEST GPU's like Sony and MS did with the PS3 and 360.......they didn't.
Doesn't matter if its running at 1080p if the [email protected] games weren't rendered at 1080p to begin with. Where the hell did this 60fps and 1080sh#t come from. Give us links to the team at Rocksteady or Ubisoft Montreal confirming that garbage.
The price of gaming consoles and the way our games have evovled (mainly thanks to the PS3)... console specs have a great influence on our gaming expierences and also the specs help aid the Devs into being able to make their visions a reality... Almost all of the PS3 exclusives I've played this gen have truely brought the kid out of me with the fact they were doing things and executing visuals I knew I couldn't see elsewhere...
If the Wii U is comparable tech-wise to current gen consoles, or if it isn't much more expensive to make, then people don't want to pay much more for it than what is currently being charged for this gen consoles. Plain and simple. If it was a situation where Nintendo didn't try to feed off of the perception that they are offering more than what their tech allows them to offer then specs wouldn't matter as much because people would KNOW that they aren't being overcharged for older tech. And yes, of course, all consoles have old tech compared to the PC, but the PS3 and 360 aren't overcharging for theirs. If Nintendo wants to be straight up and have a stance of 'Hey, we know that even by console standards, this tech will be outdated shortly, but to play Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros, etc. you have to pay extra, then at least the situation would be clear for gamers to decide whether or not it's worth it. Of course they won't do that though. Problem is, people such as myself are tired of paying so much for a device that is behind tech-wise what others are doing that Nintendo can make a $60-$80 profit off of each console like they attempted to do with the 3DS. They can charge whatever they want. But if they aren't straight up about it, it's foul.
exactly 100% agreement. the fact that even though the Nintendo 3DS IS A GREAT SYSTEM, the games are very good. I was not going to pay $250.00 for the chipset, and GPU and Ram for the price they were asking for. will i get one, yes when it's much lower in price yes, not that. I Dislike Nintendo or anything like that, no I like Nintendo, i just refuse to pay a price for hardware that really does not warrant the price Nintendo was asking for it. Even now the $170.00 asking price for the Nintendo 3DS is still too much, asking price in my opinion the Hardware that's in it is worth about $90.00 and that's because of the screen technology inside the 3DS which is pretty cool by the way. The main ISSUE for me is Nintendo does so many times, does not release the full spec's of the Systems they release. Now like i said , its not about the spec's that's the issue, its what im paying for inside the system, that's the issue. I see many people say it's about the games, which is true, that's the main point, but to say that spec's do not matter is really short sighted in my opinion because you may not want to know what your money is paying for, but i do. If i can get it for less, which you can with any machine the longer you wait anyhow. Than that is what i will do with any system anyway. but the fact that Nintendo has not been releasing full spec's on their systems make's my choice that much easier. The WiiU look's to be a great system, but i will look before i put down so much money on the system until i know what im paying for. with Microsoft and Sony, at least I knew going in what i was buying. can systems all have system failure's and fault's yes, is some systems more reliable than other's of course, that still does not once again negate offset that giving the consumer more info about the product is such a bad thing. its not a Negative in my opinion to ask about what you are paying for with anything you buy.
To be fair, at the current price of the 3DS Nintendo is only just now starting to make a profit again, so there's no way they can offer it for $90 any time soon. But I hear you. It's frustrating when they don't tell you what the specs are, you buy their machine, an independent group does a tear down, and you realize that they are making like $80 profit on a machine that you had to scrape and make sacrifices in order to buy - and the tech is archaic. The other point that I was alluding to is that Nintendo doesn't seem to have learned from this generation what their true weakness was with the Wii. Yes it was a great system. It sold great. I loved it. But the reason it fell off such a steep cliff, and the reason why even the Wii U will have problems right off the bat is that the PS3 and 360 were powerful enough machines to adapt and add serious hardware to in order to counter Nintendo's new ideas. If the Wii U ends up running 3rd party games on the lowest settings possible, sure we'll be glad to get them rather than missing out, but a machine like that will not be able to adapt to what the stronger machines are doing to corner pieces of the market. It will be harder to stay relevant in a market that Sony and MS have learned to adapt 'instantaneously' in. As a consumer who's been through both good times and bad with Nintendo, I want to know what's under the hood. Either I take this thing seriously because it's worthy of being taken seriously, and I buy it day one. Or I wait until 2014 or 2015 when it's less than $200 and there is a nice catalog of first party games built up for it. I'd love to give them my money day one. For whatever reason though, they either don't seem to care about gamers like me, don't understand gamers like me, or both. It's disheartening.
considering most people have no clue what any specs mean, i have to agree
im not too worry about specs i think its pretty safe to assume it will be the less powerful next gen console but thats fine with me, i care about games and sadly theres only one game im interested to play on the system so far and that would be ZombiU, i hope to see more appealing exclusive franchises in the future.
http://n4g.com/news/1047511... This quote was taken from an interview that was posted on this site yesterday. In just a few hours, one quote has surpassed the entire interview with roughly 5x the comments. I also wanted to mention that none of folks that are currently attacking the WiiU's specs, even bothered to comment when this interview was posted yesterday (an interview with an actual developer). Pat yourselves on the back. You are, again, arguing without context.
Do me a favor and repost this whenever someone makes idiotic comments about the Wii U's specs again. And lets be honest; N4G's trolls are rather persistent with their ignorance and stupidity.
I don't blame them, because nintendo is shouting that the wii u is a next gen system! Si of course we all want to see how powerful the system is and the gfx it can produce.
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