Andrei Dobra of Softpedia writes: Given that Sony is going to reveal a new version of the PlayStation 3, in the form of the oft-rumored PS3 Super Slim sooner or later, analysts believe that it’s going to have a great impact on the market and might finally give Sony the chance to dominate Microsoft’s Xbox 360.
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Edit: Check this out (Click Frankfort's comment to see my response to him and the sales of the PS3 for that month as well as the sales from last year).
Source: http://n4g.com/news/1037130...
The only reason the 360 is still selling a little more than the ps3 is because it's cheaper... The ps3 is mainly held back by price, its the most expensive out of the 3 consoles and consumers can clearly see that, so if the ps3 does hit the $150 range then I'm gonna say it now... Sony will catch up to wii sales and hell, maybe even surpass it! I don't think overcoming the 360 in sales will even be an issue anymore..
No its 4 million according to MS and Sony. You obviously been reading VGChartz : )
@Army of Darkness
You won't see the 360 or the PS3 pull off Wii numbers this generation.
I have no use for a PS3 or I would have already bought one, let alone a gimped $150 model.
According to my calculations, the PS3 has dropped 20 cents in price per day since then
365 x 5.7(yrs) = ~2080 days since launch
$600-150 = $450, 450/2080 = ~$.2
Gimped? The only supposed (no confirmations so far) differences are no disc slot loader (like all 360s?) but a disc lid and comes with 16GB memory (but the rumor is it still accept standard 2.5" HDD upgrade).
How is it gimped if it kept all the same functionalities? I guess you just don't like cheaper... Damn rich kids!
I have bought a AU$978 PS3 60GB and it failed on me after 3 years before I got a new 160GB for $350! I gave that to my brother and now have a $700 320GB One Piece Special Edition PS3! if the 16GB will be priced $150, I'd get it...just for fun! my other brothers would love it too!
If PS3 can reduce their price to $150, so can MS. As it stands, the Xbox 360 already sell at a higher average selling price to consumers than the PS3, while being cheaper to manufacture.
"Analysis: Xbox 360 Outsells PS3 At Higher Average Price In U.S."
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
The demand is brisk for Xbox 360 with possibility of matching any PS3 price cut if necessary, so I see it as an uphill battle for Sony.
@Dante112:
We all know the Xbox 360 sells the best during holidays. This past holiday, MS posted 1.7 million more units sold than Sony did worldwide.
http://www.geekwire.com/201...
With no price cut for Xbox 360 and a lower second PS3 price cut last September for Sony, I can see why the gap would shrink a little, but why isn't PS3 outselling the Xbox 360?
The real main question is, what do you think will happen if MS have their first price cut in 3 years amid this high demand?
There have been 199 xbox since 2008. It wont do anything big, short term bump, nothing in long way.
Ann ps3 is outselling 360 this year. From neogaf/official reports to vgc.
Also if u noticed from sales reports, they overshipped last holiday just to claim victory.
Last 2 quarters is worst demand for 360 since 2007/08.
MS will throw anything(billions even) at their disposal to prevent that embarrassment from happening.
And MS is dead serious about this.
But fret not just enjoy your games and don't let these sales figures steal the fun out of your gaming experience. PlayStation will be fine.
I sort of agree with you, but M$ has a 99 dollar 360 with a monthly subscription fee out right now. The PS3 is still outselling the 360.
The PS3 will fly off shelves at 150.
@ipe
Thank you for stating that.
"I sort of agree with you, but M$ has a 99 dollar 360 with a monthly subscription fee out right now. The PS3 is still outselling the 360."
Which just became available now in select retailers, but it still requires a contract so isn't a very good comparison.
"The PS3 will fly off shelves at 150."
I don't doubt that, especially if the lowest end Xbox 360 is priced higher than the PS3. The real question is, what happens when 4GB Xbox 360 lowers it's cost to $149 as well?
Keep in mind that the 4GB Xbox 360 only accounts for 20% of MS consoles sold. As far as I can tell, customers are willing to pay more for less hardware already buying Xbox 360 higher end models compared to a lower priced PS3 at $250.
@ipe:
The reason for the lower sales is because casual gamers usually buy during the holidays. NPD reports sold-through numbers, not shipped. The PS3 isn't faring much better considering a price cut just 9 months earlier, and the Wii the cheapest is in even worse shape. It's just the way the market works, but watch those numbers when the holidays roll around again and the casuals are out and about.
I'm of the belief that Americans are quite patriotic (which is no bad thing btw).
It's a similar situation in Japan...foreign consoles do not succeed domestic consoles.
There are other factors such as better marketing, price etc...on MS's part, plus they have far more resources than Sony...
I've seen this article pop up on here and I've had to point out numerous times that you can't point to data that shows the 360's average price spiked $26 over the course of two months, yet offers no explanation as to why that spike occurred. It offers no indication of long term trends, because short term trends can't even be explained.
If you actually looked at more than two months worth of data from ten months ago, you'd find that the 360's average price has been going all over the damn place, both higher and lower than the PS3's post-price drop price.
Your article...
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
An article from March...
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
And an article from July...
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
360
$280 - July '11
$306 - Sept '11
$284 - Feb. '12
$259 - March '12
$275 - June '12
PS3 in
$312 - July '11
$271 - Sept. '11
$271 - Feb. '12
??? - March '12
$272 - June '12
So, yeah, PS3 and 360 are virtually tied when it comes to the current average purchase price, and it follows months of the 360 selling for significantly more, and significantly less than the PS3, even post price drop, while the PS3 has remained consistent.
And that, kids, is why we don't use two months of data from ten months ago to back up claims about long term trends.
Nice spin there!
Other than July 2011, according to your list MS has kept the average selling price higher than Sony the entire time. March 2012 is an unknown for PS3, but ASP includes gift cards so MS might have just aggressive promotions that one month, because things change in May 12 (only data we have closest to March) with a whopping increase of $28 to $287. That is the important data you happen to leave out showing the trends!
We don't know what happened to Sony that one month, but we can certainly see a clear trend line.
That is why children, you don't rely on ONE questionable data point out of a set of data!
360
$280 - July '11
$306 - Sept '11
$284 - Feb. '12
$259 - March '12
$287 - May '12
$275 - June '12
PS3
$312 - July '11
$271 - Sept. '11
$271 - Feb. '12
???? - March '12
$272 - June '12
It's pretty consistent, higher average selling price and a higher count of unit sales for Xbox 360.
Yeah, see that's why I listed nine different pieces of data.
You listed that ten month old article and treated it as if the trend continued as if it was fact. I blew that delusion sky high. You act like the data would be consistent, but it's not. You can't predict anything with data like that.
What's funny is that you treat it as spin when I say the PS3 sold for higher than the 360. Defensive much? I never said they did it consistently. All I said was that PS3 sold for more than 360 (just as I said 360 sold for more than PS3) at some point and that they currently sell for practically the same. The data is right there to back up EXACTLY what I said. Or are you going to cling to that $3 difference from June as if a 1 - 2% difference in purchase price has any significance?
You know what else is funny? Despite data that's all over the place in a range that spans $47 without any rhyme or reason, you STILL have to spin it in favor of the 360 yet you have no idea were the price points where for any of the missing months.
And as if that wasn't enough, you try to excuse the 360's lowest selling price, and act like I'm omitting something for the sake of spinning it in the PS3's favor.
You know what else I happened to leave out? The fact that all this data accounts for bundles. Hell, the price of 360 in September was $306, $6 higher than the highest price standalone 360. This isn't even an apples to apples comparison of consoles. It's consoles, plus whatever crap MS and Sony want to cram in the box that people want to pay for and that's not consistent at all between MS and Sony.
Funny though that you leave that out so you can tell everyone 360s sell for more than PS3s.
You know what else I left out?
The fact that this only accounts for NPD data, not worldwide data, which I'd say is pretty significant when North America is where the 360 performs best. Funny, you left that out too...
"As it stands, the Xbox 360 already sell at a higher average selling price to consumers than the PS3"
Funny, that.
If you want to play the "who left what out" game, be my guest. There's plenty of stuff you left out. Probably because it craps all over your little "fact".
The best part is that you spin what I wrote to make it sound like I was trying to spin this in the PS3's favor, but the reality is, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of taking two months of data from ten months ago and treating it as if it's a permanent trend, and I did it pretty effectively. Yeah, I missed the 360's May price. But you know what? It's irrelevant, because I wasn't arguing who outsold who. I don't need absolute thorough data to make a point about inconsistency. That, and it doesn't change my point whatsoever. It's a shame you need to get all defensive and throw around baseless accusations of spinning the data rather than just accept the facts I laid out in front of you.
By the time the next generation starts I'd figure MS and Sony will both have their respective current gen consoles at $150. Maybe a final drop next fall or so depending on when the PS4 and 720 release.
Worldwide > US
With such a price cut and redesign, the PS3 could have its biggest sales year ever. The only way for Microsoft to not fall behind would be to match the price of the PS3 or beat it. If both of those situations happen, it could make it tough for the Wii U to try and dominate the market.
Cheapest new ps3 at moment is £189 at Tesco. Looks like thats what i'll have to pay as cant wait too long for price drop.
I mean while the 4GB Xbox is a rip-off, more so to the uninformed consumer, with an expensive drive - I really don't know or really care if its a proprietary HDD - as least with the PS3 you can grab most laptop drives off the shelf for under $50.
If its expandable. its a great move.
If its not its really for uninformed (ignorant) consumers.
In the living room for Blu-ray and Netflix etc.
So all you Pachter haters, do you still believe this theory?
OT: If true, it might make a difference in some parts of Europe, but not in America. Not to mention Microsoft would counter.
because for the rest of the world playstation is the clear winner.
Even the most illogical console fanatics have to concede that one to the PS3 if it hits $150 before MS has a chance to react. There'll be a helluva lot of PS3's under trees this holiday season. Can't say the same thing for the 360 now the shine has worn off Kinect. $150 is what just the Kinect costs right now.
Considering, Xbox dominated holiday sales for 2 years and seems to be going for a third with Fable Journey, Dance Central 3, Forza Horizon and the monster Halo 4. Plus Third party games like Cod and resident Evil. Your right there will be allot of PS3's under trees this holiday, but there will be more Xbox's under trees (again). That tired Kinect excuse is ignorant fanboy talk, wise up and try again.
Also the 360 ends up outselling PS3 worldwide by the end of the holidays.
2011 worldwide sales
http://www.geekwire.com/201...
360 has better offerings for all gamer types this year. PS3 will never be cheaper than the 360.
The shine is not worn off of kinect, kinect has forced Sony to cut costs on a new ps3 yet again and forced nintendo to release a new console. lol
Analysts always say PS3 will do this and that but guess it depends which ones fanboys dig up.
They when are we hearing of a first person Uncharted rip off for 360 if ps3 doesn't have a good library. Not a fan of Kinect for 360. Microsoft just promotes a multiplatform game as if it was an exclusive. Sales?......what about the years 2008-2010? Did you somehow magically forget those?
Care to provide some proof for your numbers?
It still doesn't change that, that is then and this is now. MS hasn't had a price cut in 3-years, they outsold Sony last holiday with 1.7 million units worldwide while Sony just had a price cut in August-September.
http://www.geekwire.com/201...
"Even the most illogical console fanatics have to concede that one to the PS3 if it hits $150 before MS has a chance to react. There'll be a helluva lot of PS3's under trees this holiday season."
First of, the feasibility of a 150 PS3 is almost nil when they barely hit even point at the last price cut. You don't cut 40% of your cost in 9 months.
Secondly, the console manufacturers knows of each others upcoming price cut plans because you can't do anything without leaking information either unless it is a sudden price drop with no advertisement. The effectiveness of that isn't very good, and the competition can react accordingly as well!
So as you see, that is just wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure a $99 unlocked iPhone 4S would destroy Android sales too, but it ain't realistic financially and business live or die by financials!!!
@greenpowerz:
I do wonder a little, because this year Sony's line up is the weakest I can remember while MS mirrors last years release, with at least one major blockbuster game with Halo 4.
MSFT has Hardcore, casual and motion blockbusters exclusive IPs this holiday. The biggest games in gaming are all on the 360, exclusive or not. Motion, shooters, Racing, RPG's, Arcade, Multi Media. This is what consumers care about.
Dance Central 3, Halo 4, COD, Forza Horizon appeal to the masses.
I don't really understand your point.
Kinect games like DC and Kinect sports sell more than 3 million each iteration( not talking bundled kinect adventures)
In terms of outselling the competition, "Dominating" means to completely take over. Will the Super Slim completely take over the Xbox, realistically, no, but Sony will catch a pretty good stride with it. Bundling Last Of US in the super slim or GoW ascension will be a brilliant plan.
The PS3 needs more than that if it wants to beat the 360 in the US.
Edit: It'd probably be better to focus resources for the PS4. The PS3 is profitable and is the best-selling yearly homeconsole worldwide anyway.
I am just speculating here but you have to admit that bundle soundd like the perfect storm.
2.5" SATA drives are so cheap now. You can buy a 1 TB drive for $70 new.
All in all I am awaiting to see what Sony's pricing will be for the super slim.
It comes out this year against a £150 Superslim PS3, and a price-cutted 360... I wouldn't want to be launching such a pitiful console against that. Its not like the Wii U is even that much more powerful...
change your title nap.
something that is capable of true 1080p
anti aliasing
60 frames
v-sync
high resolution textures
same with xbox, stop remaking the same outdated console
make a freaking new one
2005 was FOREVER ago, stop remaking tech from then
here were the best cell phones then;
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...