Metro: I didn’t really like The Dark Knight Rises. Since Rotten Tomatoes has already had to shut down its comments system, after death threats against reviewers criticising the film, perhaps I’m being braver than I think by saying that. But I found its premise silly, its characters two-dimensional, and its tone drab and listless.
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If you know anything about Batman, then you would know that the story wasn't right, and there was going to be a plot twist or an outcry from angry fans.
Not to mention we knew Batman was going to save the day. There's really no way to spoil a superhero movie, because you know they're going to save the day.
As far as the article I agree I enjoy AC, better than DKR, but it doesn't make DKR a bad movie. It was really good, but the focus was too much on Bruce overcoming challenges rather than Batman overcoming villains which made it 90% story and 10% action. And for a nearly 3 hour long movie, that's not a good balance. It's still a good movie through.
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I could also argue about the villains/boss in Arkham City as a point against it....
Why does it matter which one is better?
Ask your guys to answer that, Pozzle.
I really don't agree with any of his points, especially since you can't make an honest comparison if the first sentence is "I really didn't like TDKR."
I completely disagree with this guys arguement though... AC comes no where close to rises
Simply due to the plot, and the fact that many characters in the game were ridiculously underused, and were not fleshed out very well
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Nolan wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He found a way.
Nolan was being smart with his ending and he chose it for personal reasons. On one hand Nolan and Bale can say they are finished, done, and walk away clean. If people pester them they can always say the trilogy is the endpoint.
Remember, Selina always wears black, not blue (prison excepted). It's amazing what an old man can imagine.
On the other hand, Bale said if the script were right and Nolan directed he would be willing to do a fourth film. The ending also allows for this.
After all there is the autopilot patch and why would Alfred pick Selina. How much contact with her did he have?
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@morganfell There is talk that Dark Knight Rises wasnt actually a Sequel....but actually a prequel to a possible Nightwing movie lol!!!! That would be siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick. ...screw a Robbin movie lol!!!
A mechanic tells Fox that the update for the Bat's Autopilot was fix 6 months ago by Bruce Wayne! Dont you guys listen!!
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So since Morgan Freeman is Catwoman now, will there be a new movie on him?
I aint saying the movie is dumb. It's not. But this kinda seems like an unfair analysis.
And even though I think it's a bit unfair to compare two different types of media against each other, IMO as far as Batman goes, Arkham City is far superior to any individual film or even the trilogy as a whole.
People wouldnt be making any fuss about the comics version of the game . Hell DC got currently a comics version spinning out of the game , and it's not phenomenal .
What the movie trilogy proposes and what's happened right now in the regular batman comics is miles better
And yah, the 3rd is an obvious decline from the Dark Knight. Nothing in it can compare to Ledger's performance as the Joker.
As for him sounding like Sean Connery, it was funny. Seeing as most the the tv shows and games had a south American accent for him.
Bane not being a fleshed out character and the fact that tom hardy had to act and show every bit of it through a mask that covered his face with a character which(in the comics) has nowhere near as much personality as the joker was a brilliant feat. Top that with the fact his voice was recorded and added into the film. Plus some idiots apparently could not understand his original more bad ass sounding voice, so they changed it:( Comparing a madman to a mercenary is absurd...ledgers performance was good, but iconic? He had countless experts and material to follow! Hardy made bane a bad ass! He was no badass in the comics! Ledger created the film version of the joker....who will always be great if done right. Bane's voice is a matter of opinion I thought it was great, but I liked the original voice they had better. I never laughed once at something he said and I never heard others do it....and I've seen it three times. I though that the times where his voice was more high pitched where more necessary than anything, like the scene where he said "what a beautiful voice" that was brilliant.
2) The dark knight rises a step down from the previous? Thats not what reviews are showing...not by a long shot. In fact this film is almost guaranteed to be nominated for best picture (more so due to the shootings and all the free publicity unfortunately). Many reviewers are going as far to say "if this movie doesnt win best picture, no comic book film ever will. "
I'd say that their performances were very close rather than ledger being iconic and vastly better. I personally still think Ledgr's performance was better, but pay credit where credit is due. The only thing I didnt like about this movie is that you could tell that this was filmed in new york, in the past films nolan made it feel like you were in some foreign city like gotham....a place you've never been before. But this one...even a blind man could see it was filmed in new york.
I enjoyed TDKR, but personally, I feel The Dark Knight was a good deal better. But yea, thats my two cents.
Bane looks like a joke and sounds Irish instead of Hispanic.
Catwoman looks ridiculous.
Batman took 8 years off from being Batman? Batman is all about his mission. No way he's haging out for 8 years while Gotham goes to shit.
Bale's Batman voice is too distracting.
Nolan's Batman is more dude in a costume than crime fighting detective.
The people at Rocksteady are clearly fans of Batman. They made a game about comic book hero and Nolan made a film filled with pointless characters and little understanding of Bruce Wayne/Batman.
I think Rocksteady made concessions to some of the open world conventions.
Nolan pushed the nature of his vision (deconstructing batman), rocksteady walked backward a bit on arkham asylum's magic.
Early on in AC, Batman is having a conversation with Alfred about Strange. He says that Strange knows Batman is Bruce Wayne. This is just one example of why an actual comic book writer gets it, and why a Hollywood directer does not. Over the last 30 years, Batman has been thinking of himself as Batman and that Bruce Wayne is the mask. All he is Gotham and Batman. So for Nolan to have him on some vacation from who he is, is unacceptable.
Nolan movies, while good, have only bastardized the franchise. Nolan is afraid to dig deep into the comics and does not respect the source material. From Ra's right on down to Bane, Nolan has gotten it wrong at every turn.
Now, to some degree, AC is not the perfect representation of Batman. The city is not as it should be. Robin isn't the right Robin. Batman is not in love with the Joker, nor would he leave Talia to burn.
There's misteps with both, but one is closer to the source than the other.
and Selina Kyle says and "yeah and who are you pretending to be" and Bruce Wayne replies with either Bruce Wayne or a multimillionaire or something like that.
The Animated Series is great, because Paul Dini worked on it, and so are the Arkham games.
Christopher Nolan's movies are based on 70+ years of comics, and the animated series.
TDKR felt like the 60's series, because Catwoman looked like Julie Newmar's version, and something else that I won't say. And Daggett in the film is based on Roland Daggett.
The same with scarecrow he has the potential to be a main villain, but never gets enough screen time. Speaking of which what happened to him in the end? Harvey was amazing as well, then he was out shadowed by joker. The should have been an amazing 4 to 5 film trilogy, but lack of giving villains no chance really hurt it for me.
Hell, joker,two face,bane,catwoman made these movies interesting NOT batman. Batman was outplayed in every movie except for maybe Begins.
Rises added too much OVER THE TOP action like those huge fight scenes, and bat plane. Sure batmans already not realistic, but this was making me think they made this last one for even kids to watch, which was not the case in the past two.
Yea I went a little too far typing this long comment LOL, but the only thing that made RISES interesting was Bane, Selina.
I also agree the Scarecrow was underused along with Two Face.
Plus Talia character was pointless she was just another extra added on to make bane seem like he had a heart.
Dude, in this movie, the huge fight scene makes sense. It was a war in Gotham. A WAR. Also, I think many people do not appreciate what went into the bat plane because if you look really closely, it is technically just a helicopter with the blades underneath. It even flies pretty much like a helicopter with a bit more mobility at times. I think a lot went into it to keep it within the realm of reality and possibility.
RUMORS:
DC really wants to get this Justice League movie going, but the Batman in this trilogy just doesn't fit so they're planning a complete reboot with Batman. The new Superman is rumored to start talking and maybe showing different superheroes.
BTW, I didn't really like the movie. The last 30 minutes were great but everything else was weak and predictable. What saved this movie for me is Hans Zimmer's awesome score.
And Mr. Nolan, where are Harley, Hugo, and Penguin? You could've done a great job with them. Penguin in BB, Harley in TDK, and Hugo Strange in TDKR.
I agree. I actually felt that the The Dark Knight Rises was the best out of all them.
I think people pick the The Dark Knight because of the Death of Heath ledger. He was great as a villain, but Tom Harding as Bane was more evenly match when going up against Batman.
Most want to see the Superhero dominate the whole movie, it wasn't like that with the Dark knight rises. Bruce Wayne had to learn how to be a hero again.
He had to learn how to be Batman all over.
Excellent movie.
As far as AC goes, its a game with DLC, so its much easier to change things. Once a movie is out its out. All in all Nolan created a perfect Trilogy.
About the movie,
I have seen enough fiction in all forms (comics, movies, anime, books, television) to know when the story has been told...when it time to move on. The story of Bane's Batman had NOT BEEN TOLD.
Nolan wanted to do the Dark Knight Returns, (the Graphic Novel) but it isn't time.
TDKR tried to bring closure to a story before its time. Because he tried to close it out prematurely he set the beginning of the movie in the wrong place. Gotham was in the wrong place, Batman was in the wrong place, Bruce Wayne was in the wrong place...everything was in the wrong place.
Because the opening setting was so un-Batman-like, the movie didn't turn out well.
I thought TDKR was the worst of the trilogy. But, truth is, this should not have been a trilogy. Enough big things happen to Batman to justify about 6 movies.
In this specific example though, I think the whole "games last longer" does have an impact thanks to the open world enviroment and being able to explore things. However what about games with a 1 or 2 hour total cut scene time? MGS4 for example is nearly pure cutscenes, and tells an overall better story than any action movie of similar qualities....
Dark Knight rises was an amazing movie and arkham city is an amazing game, lets keep it at that :D
Let's all be honest here. The entire film was saved by one person and that's Heath Ledger. Everyone else have subpar performances. The plot is decent but the first third of the plot felt more like a Mission Impossible movie. The action scenes were hardly an improvement over Batman Begins. And the inclusion of Two-Face wasn't given enough justice. It felt more like crime drama than an actual superhero film.
The Dark Knight Rises is a way better film and easily the best out of the trilogy. That scene were *SPOILERS* Bane breaks Batman's back was so perfectly done. Catwoman was depicted accurately as well. And it has a twist near the end no one would see coming.
In short, this is the definitive Batman film everyone's been waiting for.
Bane could match Wayne with wits albeit with help in that department...but there was no way Batman could catch Bane. I felt like in order to have stopped Bane he was going to have to break his one rule...I thought that the whole movie he was going to have to try and kill Bane.
Bane's voice was awesome. It was grandiose. I smiled everytime he spoke.
To end my rant....Joker seemed like he wanted to mess with Batman more than kill him. Like he said at the end of Dark Knight that basically they'd be going back and forth.
Bane on the other hand wanted to torture him, make him watch his city burn and then kill him.
The true villain is Gotham City. It weakens people and breeds crime. Batman protects the people from most ordinary forms of criminals and makes the city habitable. However that normal saftey comes at the price of producing Super-villains who are not afraid of Batman.
The joker is Batman's natural counterpart...re-action vs. action...Chaos vs. order.
Nolan, in BB, correctly got the idea that Gotham was the true villain. So even though he misstated the canon and made Ras Al-guhl bigger than he should be. it worked because it identified Gotham as the corrupting force.
The Dark Knight got all these concepts correctly. It literally did everything right.
The Dark Knight Rises was the natural end to Nolan initial flaw in over-emphasizing Ras Al-guhl. It mis-defined the characters, most importantly Batman. Batman can't turn off being Batman. Batman is who he is when he isn't pretending. Bruce Wayne is who he is when is pretending.
I think he got your last point of Batman being who he really is. He made it pretty clear that despite losing Rachel and Alfred leaving. Lucious even threatening to resign in TDR that despite whatever happened with Bruce...Batman needed to be there to protect Gotham. Nolan made it pretty clear that Bruce/Batman would give his life for the city above all else.
Either way can't wait to see it again tommorow.
Or am I completely insane
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Bruce Wayne is what makes Batman so interesting. Batmobiles, batarangs, batsnacks, and all the other cool crap are entertaining, but in the game, I never gave a damn about his character. He didn't feel human. It felt like Rocksteady used the image Bruce Wayne tries to create for Batman as the actual Batman character, if that makes sense.
It was the same with most characters actually. Nobody's character went beyond what you'd expect from a talking action figure. TDKR gets more into that stuff and to me, that's what makes it far superior to AC. It's a hell of a game, but it's just a big Batman play set.