For me they only need to fix 2 mistakes - reasonable price and good launch games.
BC too, though it will most likely come through the cloud. And my PS3 is BC so I'm not too high on that one. Always nice to have BC readily available when you get a PS4 tho.
Haven't clicked the link yet so they dont get any hits from me with their flaimbait, but I'm guessing the PSN hack was a mistake? I like how everyone except an Ms-Xbox site has forgotten that....
and don't forget no Blu-ray or web browser... in fact the list is pretty big when you start going into it. But you know, lies become truths if you say them often enough
also didnt come with multiplayer unless you had an extra 150$ or so on you for the one year + adapter. also didnt come with the ability to put your own 2.5 sata hard drive in. also didnt come with the ability to play mp4 etc video files until around a 2008 update. also didnt come with the ability to BE F IN QUIET until 2010.
"You mistake arrogance for confidence, learn the difference."
You see that's the main problem right there. Just because you launch something with the latest technology with a high price it sure as hell doesn't mean people are gonna go out and buy it just because you attach a name to it.
They were indeed arrogant thinking people were gonna jump just because of BR and their name. I don't care what you put inside a console, if the price is too high and you don't properly support it with good launch games people will not buy it. If you don't believe that then watch sony launch the ps4 with a cheaper price and with better launch games. No my friend, its you that has confused arrogance and confidence. If they are so confident, then the price of ps3 would still be 599.00. Just face it, sony fucked up this gen by over engineering the ps3. Stop being blind fanboy because even sony sid the exact things I just did.
Here, why don't you educate yourself and stop acting like sony can do no wrong. If everything was all peachy the ps division wouldn't of lost almost 3 billion dollars.
@ cstyle, "Stop being a blind fanboy!" You have a lot to say about Sony and their arrogance, what about MS?
A lot of stupid people believed everything that came out of MS's PR mouths about how everything that Sony and the PS3 brought to the table at launch was not needed! But if you look at what the 360 has today, it looks a lot like the 60gb PS3!
You know, he never said Sony could do no wrong...to me (and according to what MS has done to the 360 to catch up to the PS3 in features), they did a lot of things right! And at the time, the price was spot on! I haven't had to pay $400 for a DVD player since, I bought my first one back in 1999!
The one thing Sony did wrong with the launch (and continues to screw up) is advertising! If people would have known and understood what the PS3 was/is capable of, it might have been a different story.
@JayD except most people have no clue about specs, they wanted to see something tangibly different hence the wii did amazingly.
Also after the success of the ps2, I'm sure plenty knew what to expect of the ps3, however the price put them off. Did you get your ps3 on day 1, come on be honest?
Actually I did buy my system day2! Had it pre-ordered!
And once again, at the bare minimum, if you can see if a blue ray player is going $800+ and you can get one for $600???! You don't have to be a genius to see the deal!
But that all goes back to Sony not advertising correctly! There were people who thought that a DVD wouldn't playin the machines......I mean, how stupid do you have to be??
Their Biggest problem was setting a high price for the PS3, they could have been super arrogant and launch a $400 console, sales could have been huge and people wouldn't even care about their attitude :P
Consider at the time though the PS2 was still going fairly strong. Sony did the same thing they do with stereo components or TV's. They had a high end entry and a lower end entry system. I don't think consumer choice is ever a bad thing.
And it worked for them. People were always moaning about slow system sales of the PS3 due to it's price point but the actual sales numbers don't back that up. The PS3 has handily outsold the 360 head 2 head since it became available worldwide, and was even matching and then exceeding PS2 numbers up until the economy started to go to hell.
People talk about Sony's mistakes with the PS3 but the system sold better than it's closest competitor, it helped cement Blu-Ray as the accepted Hi-def format and the Entertainment Division has really been the only bright spot for Sony for years. There's no reason to think the PS3 won't have sold 80 million consoles or more before the PS4 launches, and that's not to say the PS3 won't continue to be supported just like the PS2.
Actuslly, if you werent illiterate, you would know that the PS brand has always been profitable for Sony. And if we're gonna talk about mistakes, how about we acknowledge RROD (56% chance of getting it in first 1-1.5 years of buying your xbox).
And you're certainly being arrogant by discrediting Xperia's opinion like that.
"Actually*, if you weren't illiterate, you would know that the PS brand has always been profitable for Sony." um no it hasn't http://www.joystiq.com/2009...
Advertising? Seriously? You think that a name brand like the playstation needs advertising? Especially since the ps1 and ps2 sold tons???
Sony came in to this gen with their noses in the air and it cost them. But it was a well needed learning experience, they will do much better with the ps4.
I'll add bluray with that list. Sony failed with bluray. I have yet seen an exclusive game on the ps3 that uses the bluray to the max...except for ones that use tons of cinematic footage. We were promised games with bigger levels and bigger worlds. Skyrim and GTA4 destroy everything sony has in terms of size. In fact, most of Sony's best titles are short linear games. Simple point A to point B games. Games with boxed levels.
Add the fact, that disc media has pretty much disappeared since the ps3 started.... just as I predicted. Everything is streaming now.
They'll learn from their arrogance and do much better next gen.
Sony went from the PS2 in first place (far above anything EVER in the history of videogames)... to LAST PLACE and being a joke in the industry.
Their arrogance (remember their PS2 slide at E3 where they bragged about how the race was "over" and it wasn't a race at all?) only makes the PS3's failure even funnier.
PS3's exclusives sell less than popular XBLA titles, and their multiplats look and perform worse than on the 360 (158 to 41 for the XBox, at last Digital Foundry count - that's a hilarious margin).
Why is it that when MS announced they sold the most over 2011 during e3, Sony didn't claim otherwise? Probably because the 360 sold more last year than ps3 and still has more systems sold than ps3 currently. Not to mention they are making a ton of money on the 360 while ps3 is still trying to recoup massive losses. Don't play sales, because sony can't win that game anymore.
Theres no reason to own a ps3? Well I can say there's no reason to own an xbox seeing as hardly there's hardly any AAA exclusives currently on it or on the horizon except for the usual halo and gears of war. And unless you already own a cable box what's the point? That's all Microsoft seem to be doing. Adding tv channels and a few apps. Halo and gears are the only Xbox exclusives that sell. The only other relatively big exclusives are fable and forza, and as we've seen they can't sell without bundles. And I'm not in the market for kinect shovel ware thanks. So what's the point of owning an Xbox? Microsoft has abandoned the hardcore and your just mad about it. See I can troll too. It's not that difficult.
Also find it funny how cstyle is talking about fanboys. Lol.. Jog on.
honestly i know your trolling for giggles and laughs right now but seriously, if you havent played ps3 exclusive games, you missed out big time. sorry but its true.
The PS3 is 3.3 million behind as of Sony's latest fiscal results, but that's beside the point when we are over 6 years into the generation. You speak of the 360 and PS3 as if they both started from the same situation, when they did not. The PS3 was the successor to the best-selling console in history, which absolutely dominated the video game industry with over 75% market share. The original Xbox was Microsoft's first console and could barely compete.
For the Xbox 360 to even come close to PS3's sales this gen, let alone outsell it, is a massive victory. The PS3 should have sold on brand name alone, and it clearly did, but after the success of the PS2, there's no way you can call it anything but a failure. You can come up with countless excuses like the PS3 releasing a year late or the price points, but the point is the PS3 has been nowhere near as successful as the other PS consoles. The PS3 reaching 60 million sales is nowhere near the same accomplishment as the 360 reaching 60 million sales. The 360 will have more than tripled its predecessor's sales by the end of this gen, while the PS3 has halved the sales of the PS2. Microsoft has firmly planted themselves as a competitor in the industry, while Sony has only made the PlayStation brand's future questionable.
My god yoda and streetsofgare! We also had the worst dip in economy right in the effing middle of this gen. The more expensive luxury items are the first to be cut from peoples' shopping lists when they loose their jobs.
Anyway i have a feeling MS will cut x360 pretty soon after the next one hits and PS3 will be supported for like 8-10 years longer so I think in lifetime sales you are getting the egg on your face come 2020. You don't care after nextgen hits? I never would've guessed that....I guess you don't count PS2 sales either right?
This is the problem with you MS folks. You are brainwashed to think that if a game's sales are not above 3 million in 2 weeks from it's launch it is not a success. Same with consoles. Sony has always talked about a 10 year cycle with PS3. Come back after they've stopped producing them and we'll talk lifetime sales.
@jazz below:
My god your comment is such a fanboy comment. How is it they still haven't banned your ass?
Streets of rage and frankfurt...we'll said. Sony is arroragnt and went from a 200 billion dollar co to only being worth 13 billion. They went from first to last place in consoles and there fans still think they are doing well and can do no wrong. Talk about blind fanboys on here. There only weapon anymore is to turn it back on ms who's kicking there butt in profits and game and software sales. Sony really has no denfense unless you count the sdf lol at $ony. Btw I think this article is to counter the playstation site 2 days ago that wrote about the 360 and was very biased, so here's one in return. Pay back.
I seriously doubt the PS4 has backwards compatibility though. It would be impossible if they aren't using the Cell for the PS4.
I think the PS4 needs to launch with some kind of headset like the article says. Whenever I play games on PS3 like COD, it seems like nobody talks or has a headset hooked up.
Lower price point is a MUST. I usually wont pay $500 for a console. $399 is about as high as I'll go for new hardware.
I think the PS4 will come our shortly after the next Xbox, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Funny thing about the headset is I find most people have them they just cut it off. An if I am not playing with friends I usually keep mine off as well. An end up muting the rest of the room anyway. Usually if I start talking on the mic the room begins to light up. I rarely cut on my mic when I am doing my solo thing on cod. Though I have if someone ask for me by name or ask a question I can answer.
My biggest thing is quality hardware, I have gone through 2 PS3's with YLOD I play a lot. When you pay 600 for a console you expect it to last more then 3 years. At the very least come with a warranty that covers console failures that are not your fault for 5 years minimum.
As far as BC goes I think some part of it will be handled by gaikai.
Gaikai isn't backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility is putting in a disk you already own and being able to play it in the new hardware. I don't want to have to pay for games I've already bought.
I think its not a huge request, and you could always say "Hold on to your PS3", which is true, but there is only so much space on an entertainment center. I usually buy all the consoles, so right now my entertainment center has PS3, PS2, Xbox 360, Wii and a Dreamcast. I know the Wii U will be backwards compatible with the Wii, so I'm covered there, but the PS4 is up in the air with BC and I am almost sure the Xbox 720 will be BC.
Also, everyone says they have headsets on PS3, but when you play Battlefield, COD, Killzone, Resistance and nobody talks and there isn't even a headset indicator, I tend to believe that people just don't have them. What is the point in playing a game that requires teamwork if nobody is communicating?
I believe a universal headset would go a long way in helping with this, it will also promote quality control, because the few times I've come across people with a headset, the quality of the voice chat was god awful to say the least.
@chunky, correct the ps4 won't have BC with ps3, it's virtually impossible to emulate 7 spe's running at 3.2ghz running on a processor that probably will only clock that high.
Oh and fuck Gaikai, if I don't get a true 1-1 experience with bc I'm not interested - additional latency and compression pixilation can be the domain of those that don't know any better. I just want to put in my ps3 blurays and play.
Well, arrogant at launch sums Sony up all too well. It's highly unlikely that they will repeat their mistakes and I expect they'll play it safe.
I do love Sony console hardware though, you know they're always trying to push something new in their to give them an edge one way or another, it's not always to their benefit, but damn, they at least try instead of just pumping out low-mid spec PC in a smaller box.
HAHA so a xbox site decide its time to write about a console that is civilize and producing games every year. Well the only thing the PS4 needs is a good launch with a price within 400 to $450 and it will be king like all the other playstation console upon the earth.
There is no doubt that the PS4 will dominate next gen in all the earth.
The real mistake for the PS3 was launching without heavy hitters. We got lucky with Resistance and Heavenly Sword but that was pretty much it till MGS popped up. Genji was a total failure and GoW dropped on the PS2 the previous year. And then came the nonstop s***ty ports...
Pricing is what it is. The 360 was $100 cheaper and most of the launch console are sitting in a landfill somewhere. Blu Ray players were pretty damn expensive back so the PS3 was a steal for those that could afford it.
Launching late did not hurt the PS3. It still sold more than the Xbox did it's first year, second year, third year...all the way up until last year...
So 65m units for the PS3 in 5 years or 68m units for the 360 in 6. How is that bad? Launching late actually worked out for Sony as they did not rush out a broken console.
A mistake i wouldn't want them to repeat would be their utterly abysmal inability to advertise the PS3 brand and gaming experience throughout this generation.
Looking back at those early adverts, they are, to me both a confusing and cringe worthy mess, that completely failed to strike a cord with Joe public.
The ball was very much in Sony's court to release a simple but effective advert, explaining that purchasing a PS3 meant your television could be turned into a 'smart tv' enabling access to the internet and Google.
Explaining that the online gaming experience on PS3 was free as opposed to the competition, with wi-fi and a Blu Ray player all included.
Essentially these ads failed to emphasise any advantage over their rivals.
What we got instead was crying babies, grenades and a women on the toilet.
The advertising of their games both at a retail level and on television has also been sub standard. This one, i suppose can be construed as a bit of a double edged sword, in that the money saved on this could be spent on further enhancing game developments which in turn has been beneficial to us the consumer but has come at a cost in losing ground to their rivals who had heavily, financially and celebrity endorsed advertising campaigns behind them.
In my opinion, the PS4 needs a system wide option to turn on V-SYNC. No more of this screen tearing crap that plagues almost every single freakin' game this generation. I hate screen tearing with a passion.
I think that the PS3 launching a year after the Xbox 360 did hurt it quite badly. After the Xbox was smashed sales wise by the PS2, it allowed Microsoft to build up strong support from third party developers and build up momentum as the sole next gen HD console. The momentum Sony did have with the PS2 was diminished (especially in the U.S.). Overall, this facilitated a big drop in marketshare for the PS3 compared to the PS2.
Frankly, I think if Sony had launched a DVD based, lower priced PS3 in 2005 the sales race would have been between PS3 and Wii with the Xbox 360 well back in third place.
I'd be more worried about Nintendo repeating the same mistakes. I imagine Sony will know what they're doing with the PS4 considering how they've been sensible with the PS3 these recent years.
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BC too, though it will most likely come through the cloud. And my PS3 is BC so I'm not too high on that one. Always nice to have BC readily available when you get a PS4 tho.
sorry that was mean...
The 360 launched without hdmi and there was also a model that didn't even include a hard drive.
You see that's the main problem right there.
Just because you launch something with the latest technology with a high price it sure as hell doesn't mean people are gonna go out and buy it just because you attach a name to it.
They were indeed arrogant thinking people were gonna jump just because of BR and their name. I don't care what you put inside a console, if the price is too high and you don't properly support it with good launch games people will not buy it. If you don't believe that then watch sony launch the ps4 with a cheaper price and with better launch games. No my friend, its you that has confused arrogance and confidence. If they are so confident, then the price of ps3 would still be 599.00. Just face it, sony fucked up this gen by over engineering the ps3. Stop being blind fanboy because even sony sid the exact things I just did.
Here, why don't you educate yourself and stop acting like sony can do no wrong. If everything was all peachy the ps division wouldn't of lost almost 3 billion dollars.
http://www.computerandvideo...
"Stop being a blind fanboy!"
You have a lot to say about Sony and their arrogance, what about MS?
A lot of stupid people believed everything that came out of MS's PR mouths about how everything that Sony and the PS3 brought to the table at launch was not needed! But if you look at what the 360 has today, it looks a lot like the 60gb PS3!
You know, he never said Sony could do no wrong...to me (and according to what MS has done to the 360 to catch up to the PS3 in features), they did a lot of things right! And at the time, the price was spot on! I haven't had to pay $400 for a DVD player since, I bought my first one back in 1999!
The one thing Sony did wrong with the launch (and continues to screw up) is advertising! If people would have known and understood what the PS3 was/is capable of, it might have been a different story.
Also after the success of the ps2, I'm sure plenty knew what to expect of the ps3, however the price put them off. Did you get your ps3 on day 1, come on be honest?
Actually I did buy my system day2! Had it pre-ordered!
And once again, at the bare minimum, if you can see if a blue ray player is going $800+ and you can get one for $600???! You don't have to be a genius to see the deal!
But that all goes back to Sony not advertising correctly! There were people who thought that a DVD wouldn't playin the machines......I mean, how stupid do you have to be??
And it worked for them. People were always moaning about slow system sales of the PS3 due to it's price point but the actual sales numbers don't back that up. The PS3 has handily outsold the 360 head 2 head since it became available worldwide, and was even matching and then exceeding PS2 numbers up until the economy started to go to hell.
People talk about Sony's mistakes with the PS3 but the system sold better than it's closest competitor, it helped cement Blu-Ray as the accepted Hi-def format and the Entertainment Division has really been the only bright spot for Sony for years. There's no reason to think the PS3 won't have sold 80 million consoles or more before the PS4 launches, and that's not to say the PS3 won't continue to be supported just like the PS2.
And you're certainly being arrogant by discrediting Xperia's opinion like that.
um no it hasn't
http://www.joystiq.com/2009...
Sony came in to this gen with their noses in the air and it cost them. But it was a well needed learning experience, they will do much better with the ps4.
I'll add bluray with that list. Sony failed with bluray. I have yet seen an exclusive game on the ps3 that uses the bluray to the max...except for ones that use tons of cinematic footage. We were promised games with bigger levels and bigger worlds. Skyrim and GTA4 destroy everything sony has in terms of size. In fact, most of Sony's best titles are short linear games. Simple point A to point B games. Games with boxed levels.
Add the fact, that disc media has pretty much disappeared since the ps3 started.... just as I predicted. Everything is streaming now.
They'll learn from their arrogance and do much better next gen.
Their arrogance (remember their PS2 slide at E3 where they bragged about how the race was "over" and it wasn't a race at all?) only makes the PS3's failure even funnier.
PS3's exclusives sell less than popular XBLA titles, and their multiplats look and perform worse than on the 360 (158 to 41 for the XBox, at last Digital Foundry count - that's a hilarious margin).
There's no reason to own a PS3.
that is why playstation outsell xbox360 on a weekly basis, because they don,t see Any value in it.
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Also find it funny how cstyle is talking about fanboys. Lol.. Jog on.
It had a rough start, but no way I wouldn't call it a failure.
For the Xbox 360 to even come close to PS3's sales this gen, let alone outsell it, is a massive victory. The PS3 should have sold on brand name alone, and it clearly did, but after the success of the PS2, there's no way you can call it anything but a failure. You can come up with countless excuses like the PS3 releasing a year late or the price points, but the point is the PS3 has been nowhere near as successful as the other PS consoles. The PS3 reaching 60 million sales is nowhere near the same accomplishment as the 360 reaching 60 million sales. The 360 will have more than tripled its predecessor's sales by the end of this gen, while the PS3 has halved the sales of the PS2. Microsoft has firmly planted themselves as a competitor in the industry, while Sony has only made the PlayStation brand's future questionable.
Anyway i have a feeling MS will cut x360 pretty soon after the next one hits and PS3 will be supported for like 8-10 years longer so I think in lifetime sales you are getting the egg on your face come 2020. You don't care after nextgen hits? I never would've guessed that....I guess you don't count PS2 sales either right?
This is the problem with you MS folks. You are brainwashed to think that if a game's sales are not above 3 million in 2 weeks from it's launch it is not a success. Same with consoles. Sony has always talked about a 10 year cycle with PS3. Come back after they've stopped producing them and we'll talk lifetime sales.
@jazz below:
My god your comment is such a fanboy comment. How is it they still haven't banned your ass?
I seriously doubt the PS4 has backwards compatibility though. It would be impossible if they aren't using the Cell for the PS4.
I think the PS4 needs to launch with some kind of headset like the article says. Whenever I play games on PS3 like COD, it seems like nobody talks or has a headset hooked up.
Lower price point is a MUST. I usually wont pay $500 for a console. $399 is about as high as I'll go for new hardware.
I think the PS4 will come our shortly after the next Xbox, so that shouldn't be a problem.
My biggest thing is quality hardware, I have gone through 2 PS3's with YLOD I play a lot. When you pay 600 for a console you expect it to last more then 3 years. At the very least come with a warranty that covers console failures that are not your fault for 5 years minimum.
As far as BC goes I think some part of it will be handled by gaikai.
I think its not a huge request, and you could always say "Hold on to your PS3", which is true, but there is only so much space on an entertainment center. I usually buy all the consoles, so right now my entertainment center has PS3, PS2, Xbox 360, Wii and a Dreamcast. I know the Wii U will be backwards compatible with the Wii, so I'm covered there, but the PS4 is up in the air with BC and I am almost sure the Xbox 720 will be BC.
Also, everyone says they have headsets on PS3, but when you play Battlefield, COD, Killzone, Resistance and nobody talks and there isn't even a headset indicator, I tend to believe that people just don't have them. What is the point in playing a game that requires teamwork if nobody is communicating?
I believe a universal headset would go a long way in helping with this, it will also promote quality control, because the few times I've come across people with a headset, the quality of the voice chat was god awful to say the least.
Oh and fuck Gaikai, if I don't get a true 1-1 experience with bc I'm not interested - additional latency and compression pixilation can be the domain of those that don't know any better. I just want to put in my ps3 blurays and play.
I do love Sony console hardware though, you know they're always trying to push something new in their to give them an edge one way or another, it's not always to their benefit, but damn, they at least try instead of just pumping out low-mid spec PC in a smaller box.
This is obviously a follow on.
There is no doubt that the PS4 will dominate next gen in all the earth.
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@InTheLab,
"they did not rush out a broken console."
I have had to repair my PS3 4 times so obviously your definition of a broken console is different than mine.
Pricing is what it is. The 360 was $100 cheaper and most of the launch console are sitting in a landfill somewhere. Blu Ray players were pretty damn expensive back so the PS3 was a steal for those that could afford it.
Launching late did not hurt the PS3. It still sold more than the Xbox did it's first year, second year, third year...all the way up until last year...
So 65m units for the PS3 in 5 years or 68m units for the 360 in 6. How is that bad? Launching late actually worked out for Sony as they did not rush out a broken console.
Looking back at those early adverts, they are, to me both a confusing and cringe worthy mess, that completely failed to strike a cord with Joe public.
The ball was very much in Sony's court to release a simple but effective advert, explaining that purchasing a PS3 meant your television could be turned into a 'smart tv' enabling access to the internet and Google.
Explaining that the online gaming experience on PS3 was free as opposed to the competition, with wi-fi and a Blu Ray player all included.
Essentially these ads failed to emphasise any advantage over their rivals.
What we got instead was crying babies, grenades and a women on the toilet.
The advertising of their games both at a retail level and on television has also been sub standard. This one, i suppose can be construed as a bit of a double edged sword, in that the money saved on this could be spent on further enhancing game developments which in turn has been beneficial to us the consumer but has come at a cost in losing ground to their rivals who had heavily, financially and celebrity endorsed advertising campaigns behind them.
Frankly, I think if Sony had launched a DVD based, lower priced PS3 in 2005 the sales race would have been between PS3 and Wii with the Xbox 360 well back in third place.