Non Specific Action have a look at why Trophies and Achievements may have ruined the gaming industry for good.
It would be cool if a developer made a bronze trophy and in the description it says get the platinum trophy. Then they hide a bobble head sized platinum trophy in the game or something!
I have several comments about the pointlessness of trophies/achievements and have always been disagreed to oblivion. I still maintain my stance on them, I think they're RETARDED
I think they're kind of an evolution on the game score. The amount of points in games at first were a rather necessary means of tracking progress. When games were repetitive and never ending you really needed some measure to make you feel like you had accomplished something, otherwise what did it matter if you played for 10 minutes or 10 hours? Now, I've always played games because I liked to play games, not to achieve some meaningless point total - however I have to admit I always felt a bit of pride when I was able to put my initials into Joust, or Popeye, or Black Tiger. As games became more story driven, the idea of points didn't really fit anymore which is where achievements/trophies stepped in to give us that same, virtual pat on the back and a score that we could then use to show off to our friends. It's really just an event based high score board. I don't think it's ruined games by any stretch of the imagination but I find that I usually just ignore them now. Not because I don't like the virtual pat on the back, I kinda do, but just I don't like being dictated to how to play a game. Often I'll see what it takes for an achievement or trophy and ask myself "Why would I ever do that? That just doesn't sound like fun and I have no intention of playing the game like that." Then I ignore them. Still, I understand the carrot and stick method being employed here and I have nothing against it. If it makes certain people play more, why wouldn't developers use them. I use them. People who don't care will keep playing and just ignore them, people who like achievements will have something to work towards. I don't see an issue, and we've put them in our previous game and they're in the game we're developing now.
I long for the days of PS1 and PS2. When the game itself had its own reward system, whether it be an unlockable for doing certain things or a bonus for completing the game. Now our bonus is a trophy or achievement and the unlockables are removed and sold back to us as dlc. sigh.....
@ darkride66 Exactly... if you don't like 'em, STFU and ignore them. I think more people enjoy the digital recognition of achievement than not. I do wish there was a feature to turn off notifications so those who whine and cry about them could turn them off. I for one think they're great... adds replay value, makes you try new things, friendly competition among friends, give you insight to what kind of gamer someone is, etc, etc, etc. I can respect that some people may not like them for whatever reason, but if it's something that really bothers you, then you have what is known as a "first world problem".
You may think that but others don't. Some people enjoy getting trophies. I don't really care for em but yea.
I couldn't care less if everyone disagrees with me. I thought the point of commenting was for users to voice their personal opinion on something and not be vilified for it.
You've obviously came to the wrong site, :/
I honestly don't think it's changed the gaming world "that" much. The average age of game consumers this generation is 25-35 or somewhere there about, so adults in other words. It might be a competitive issue for students and younger people, but at the end of the day if it's a game I really enjoy I find achievements/trophy's satisfying and it gives me more to do and something extra to talk about with my mates who are also playing. If it's a game i'm just playing for a bit of fun, I ignore it. I think there are much larger issues that need addressing than a reward system that provides nothing more than self satisfaction and some bragging rights.
Yup... Agreed. They are retarded.
I can see exactly where you're coming from... Games like MGS4 are great & worth a multi playthroughs WITH/WITHOUT trophies. I stated this in an article yester day & was trolled for it when I said IMO they're pointless because trophies should atleast give the player in-game skins,weapons,characters etc along with the trophy, trophies DON'T make people better gamers , it's a small incentive to replay but thats all... I think more effort should be put in towards trophies like what I stated above to actually move trophies to the next level. So in short they are not ruining gaming but they are a great idea just not thought out to the extent they could be...
"It simply gives us no incentive to go back and play old games without trophies and achievements been in place and thus ruining the experience all round" I disagree. The lack of incentive isn't in the lack of trophy support but, for me, in the fact games have evolved. I like playing old PS2/PS1 games because I remember playing them as a child but it can get frustrating with the dated controls. But for the early PS3 games, I tend not to play because gameplay mechanics have evolved quite dramatically. Personally I do not think trophies or achievements has ruined gaming because I really do not know anyone who compares their gamer score/trophy level. It is nice to complete a game then go back and try to get the trophies.
Every once and a while I go back and play "old" PS3 games. Some of them are quite good. Hell, I was playing DMC4 every so often until the HD Collection came out. I think the trophies/achievements are pointless, but I won't lie and say I wasn't super happy when I got my two platinum trophies for Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.
I don't think they have ruined gaming nor do i care about trophies/achievements...
There is no obligation to get trophies or achievements, I personally go for them because it makes games last longer and I get more for what I paid. But trophies and achievements are just extras so they never take away from the experience
Not for me. They added something extra for me. I still play games that I platinumed a long time ago and there are games that I play more because of trophies. If anything, I play more because of trophies. They are a nice addition to games but the number 1 reason why I still play is obvious....to have fun.
Just turn them off. Problem solved. Unless you're thinking developers base their games around achievements and you couldn't be more wrong.
Problem not solved, because Trophies and Achievements are simply an illusion of more content, when actually less content is included these days. Devs don't base games around them, but they are an excuse to give us less than we used to get.
Really wish more people understood this. These people are either young gamers or idiots. To champion something that takes away from your purchase is absurd. The same things you do this gen to earn a worthless trophy/cheevo used to unlock a costume or new weapon or SOMETHING useful previous gens. Now you get a simple DING! and have to pay extra for the very things you used to get as part of the total package. And you people are ok with this? I'm amazed these people consider themselves any type of gamer to not see what has happened or even worse they see it and don't care. People used to replay games to use all the neat stuff they unlocked and to unlock even more. Now they replay games to acquire some worthless trophy/achievement and think gaming is better for it. WoW! One day soon they will be asked "where were you when gaming died" and their answer will be " I stood by and applauded"
I think that is a result of the internet in general, not trophies or achievements. before the internet, a game HAD to work upon release or the only way something could be fixed was with a recall. becuase of connectivity, game problems can be fixed after being sold. This started the decline in content and quality. Now, little by little they are seeing how much content can be saved for DLC, how much we are willing to pay for less, and how much of the game needs to be completed before it can be sold as the rest can be fixed or added later. If trophies and achievements never existed we would still be stuck in this DLC age because of the internet.
I really wonder what next will people say is ruining gaming.
Somehow, it's got to be Obama's fault.
Controllers are ruining gaming...and TVs.
The next article will be "Analog sticks have ruined gaming". Really, saying trophies/achievements have ruined gaming is crazy. They're just a fun little distraction for after the game is finished.
"Ruined" is really big word for something that is optional and doesn't have effect on games itself.
Disagree, I think they've made gaming that bit more fun,and added that bit more value to games.The amount of games I'd never finish, but now there's them certain acheievements/trophies I have to get however long they take.
Why would something thats a simple added on feature to a game and gamer's profile ruin "gaming" if said gamers play their games to then try and earn mentioned trophies/achievements after a few run throughs of mentioned games? Seems to me that, some people just wanted to complain about something that really doesnt affect nothing, or that they suck so bad at a game to the point they hate seeing a better gamer earn a trophy or achievement that they can't earn themselves... Pffft if this is the case, then goes to show that haters are gonna hate... Lol
You know whats ruining gaming? People who complain about anything and everything. That ruins gaming something that has no effect on you if you don't care and has a good effect on people who do care can't possibly ruin gaming. Lets add on top of that these pis* poor articles are ruining gaming journalism.
@ BlackTar ... You are half correct again, and you're one of the people ruining the comment section btw... You cant just blame the players, it's part ofdevs fault too...
I don't think they have ruined gaming, but I also don't feel like they are that meaningful at the end of the day. Many of the games I play on my PC don't have achievements and I honestly don't miss them that much.
I got big into PC gaming over the past year and a half, and even though there are Steam achievements and the Games for Windows ones, I don't even look at them except when I get a notification, and then it's like "oh, ok."
Trophies/Achievements are just a distraction to what is currently ruining gaming: Short half assed games. This is because instead of games during more for its sheer amount of content you spend more time replaying already visited areas of the games and so developers could make a 2 hour game and prolong its duration with "Challenges" just so people ignore that they paid 60 dollars for an easily 30 $ product and the sad part is that it works, and so the tendency becomes a standard and thus gaming reach its current state.
I don't think it has ruined anything. I will actually play more to get an achievement if I think its possible and its fun. Achievements have actually gotten me to go back and replay a game in a way I wouldn't have thought of previously. For instance I may go into a game find may favorite gun or method for beating an enemy and then always use it. If I would get an achievement for doing it a different way I may try that too. On the other hand if the achievement doesnt seem like fun or "possible" then I just ignore it.
This is true. Look at MGS4, ive read alot of people recently say stuff like "NOW I WILL PLAY MGS4!" just because theyve added trophies? what the fuck happened to just enjoying games?
well the game sold like 6 million so i don;t see the problem. Kinda why they are good people like me and you who love the story already played people who have no idea now get to go and play a beatiful game who cares what brought them back to it? Can't we just be happy people who would never have played it back then before trophies are the ones now going to play it cuz of trophies. Anyways they will have to grind since i hope they have a big boss trophy. The line about just enjoying i don't see what changed people are still just enjoying games. I don't understand why people are mad about what makes other people happy unless it ruins the game at hand.
@ BlackTar.... wow you're obviously blind. YEEAAHWAAHH
Tru you responded to 2 of my post with nothing. You gave nothing. How am i blind you have people who never would have played the game at all so thats that now they will go and pick it up to play it because it has trophies what is the problem with that? do you hate that trophies are gonna make some people play a game that is awesome and wonderful who would never have played it anyways? I don't get this logic who cares what brought them to it if they enjoy it while they are playing it i don't see the problem. Explain what the problem is with getting more people to play a game that they otherwise skipped esp. a game like MGS4. Enjoyment from gamin comes in more then 1 form to pretend to not accept that is extremely immature and childish. Btw don't respond to me unless u add something your "I'm BETTER THEN YOU ATTITUDE" that your simple one line comments portray says a lot about you
When they were first out I thought they were just a pissing contest, then I got into collecting them, and now I just ignore them and play the game. It took about 7 years, but they don't really matter to me anymore.
yep, after reading some of these comments i'm certain n4g is populated with idiots. idiots that wear blinders and see what they are told to see. For the record I'm not calling anyone who likes trophies/cheevos an idiot, the idiots are the ones that don't realise or care that trophies/cheevos gives YOU less than what you used to get with your game purchase. I can't wait for next gen to get here when people are spending $80 per game, for a 4 hour game, $30 bucks for DLC ala the rest of your game and nothing to show for it but a list of trophies/cheevos that mean absolutely nothing. Good times!
i love trophies
Like with all things there needs to be a balance. If you like a game you might go the extra mile to get the platinum and thats fine. But when your playing a game you hate or borrowing a game just for an easy plat then something is wrong. and I've seen plenty of people do this. I personally like trophies as it's a central location that tracks your progress in all the games you have. I've also discovered many games after seeing it appear in trophy lists of other gamers which is great for people who weren't here since the beginning of this gen.
Trophy whoring FTW xD.
Yeah its completely ruined gaming... It's made me play games a few times over If I'm feeling up for it and do things I wouldn't normally do in game which turn out to be enjoyable which makes me get more of my moneys worth out of the game... damn them!
Why are people so dramatic about everything.
Well because they are people, no one brain is the same and others opinions causes the drama.
And notice that you got and disagree, talk about drama!
i think trophies allow to get the most out of a game and they can add challenge which is a good thing, but on the other hand you have trophy geeks who buy their games depending on how easy platinum is, which is very stupid cause they end by buying Hannah Montana instead of a good game. For me trophies are all good and thanks MS for the idea.
Pointless articles about, 'Trophies and Achievements have ruined gaming', are ruining gaming.
You mean "News outlets are ruining gaming."
Well, just a slew of crap gaming journalism.. So yeah, you're absolutely right.
They're fascist! Ive been saying this for years. They try to alter the gamers route by offering a shiny trophy for specific routes. Screw all that. Maybe I don't want to get 50 kills with each weapon. Perhaps I want to run around exclusively greanding every enemy I see. Whatever the case, I want to kill enemies the way I want to, and I should be given a trophy for my way, not theirs. Besides, trophies lead to developers spamming cheesy expansion packs where gamers are more interested in the trophies rather than the actual fun content. Trophies are a decent enough idea, but they're implementation into everyday gaming is showing its drawbacks.
I used to love them. But now I feel it ruins the experience by making you do things you don't want to do. But on the other hand, sometimes they get you to do things you would never normally do. I Never know about the lizards and fruits in Shadow of the Colossus for your grip and health until I saw the trophy in the Hd release. But I feel that it ruined the experience because I always thought it was just a beautiful game that I could just Play with no other annoyances like collectables. Now I feel Obligated to collect the lizards and fruits.
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