Analyst Michael Pachter claims Activision refused to bring its biggest series to Wii U without an alternative to the standard GamePad.
"He added: "Activision never said anything to me, but I know that [for] big games like Call Of Duty they said, 'No, we're not putting it on there if you don't give us a conventional controller'. So they gave in."" What a load of bull. Games like CoD are meant to played over internet. He knows this. So the single tablet controller doesn't affect them. Why wouldn't they want to send tactical information to the tablet controller while maintaining all the desired sticks and buttons/triggers?
"Why wouldn't they want to send tactical information to the tablet controller while maintaining all the desired sticks and buttons/triggers?" Because that is more work and means more man hours which means more money spent on a feature that isn't a software seller (no real benefit for Activision). I agree the tablet controller could work with COD as a normal controller but I see publishers adding tactical stuff on the controller as an fad that will disappear unless Microsoft and Sony (when releasing new hardware) do the same and have a screen in the controller. They (other publishers) are doing the early PR thing now saying we are going for the next generation but this will soon wane.
"Because that is more work and means more man hours" You act as if building a simple interface based around touch input needs a team of 100 men. The API; GX2 helps developers to easily interface with the controller. Pachters reason is complete bull and simply does not fit. Even if they didn't utilize the touch screen, there was no reason to demand a different controller. The configuration is right there. I don't see why the extra screen is a "fad". It's just convenient for developers. They don't even have to utilize it. They could simply just output a constant scoring table on it without demanding a "pro controller" as pachter is suggesting.
Tbh Sidar, Wii U isn't a safe bet for Actvision for COD. Why would they spend extra resources to port a game to the system, and then get only 1 million sales? Core third-party games for the Wii didn't do very well. So the easier it is for them to port the game, the more likely they will do it.
Regardless of how Activision feels about the Wii U controller, if they do make CoD games for Wii U, they'll have to make the tablet controller, or Wii remote controls standard since those are the controllers that every Wii U owner will have. The Wii U Pro controller will have a MUCH smaller install base.
@TruthbeTold " if they do make CoD games for Wii U" truth is we know they will stick their whore (COD) anywhere they can make money. The Wii had non traditional controller yet they dumb down the game and still made it with an online system. So how exactly is this supposed to be an "if" they make a COD for the wiiu.
OMG_Armageddon: I wasn't saying 'if' in the sense that I don't think they will. They'd be crazy not to. I was responding to the idea that Activision wouldn't want to spend the 'extra time' to code the games for the Wii U controller. 'If' they want to bring their games to the Wii U, they'll have to take the time. Everyone will have that controller. Not everyone will have the Pro Controller.
Personally for multiplayer i wouldn't want to keep looking down at the controller and back up again in a fast action fps, i never look at my 360 controller whilst playing just as i don't look at my keyboard when typing.
They should be sued. This controller is an xbox 360 controller with the nintendo logo stamped on it. This coming from the company that is supposed to be the "most innovative."
If MS buys Activision that controller wont be for many CoDs
actually the controllers second analog isnt in the same place as 360. They could have made cod work on the original 1 tho
just how many ways can you set up buttons on a conventional controller? and the analogs are in different places, Plus compare xbox to gamecube control. can u really copy your own copy?? and even if it is a copy, oh well. now 360 fans can't nag, but i bet the one that do nag, complain about the analog position, which means that it a big enough difference to warrant a complaint.
@doctor X pro- there'd b eno point in MS buying activision only to make all the games exclusive; they'd sell ALOT less of them and lose money long term; that's if it was allowed to go through by the business regulation :p
ha @ your bubbles hmm i agree this is bull though. they gave us call of duty for the wii, using a wii mote, so dont see how the tablet would be a problem. i think what they said has been taken out of context as if activision orders nintendo around...! nintendo would have made the pro controller regardless, just as they did with wii!
Nintendo don't even need to secure call of duty. He says it himself. They could put out cardboard and say "it plays Mario" and it will sell by the boat loads.
Dunno about this whole Activision/Nintendo thing but what i DO KNOW is....... if Ninty wants Core Gamers flocking to the WiiU and Black Ops 2 then they better have a controller that will appeal to those gamers. BAM!! Looks like they have one now! Also I want Pachter's jobs. Seems fun and highly paid!
I wouldn't know but i guess they don't wanna do extra work having to do all that with the tablet. smh.
im just glad wii-U have regular controller instead of ipad tablet only.
It will b used also. But they know that they have to do whatever to get Cod on Nintendo. It will only help them to have a good controller ALSO.
Well this title is off the mark. He is the actual quote which has a different meaning to the title “[The Wii was] gimmicky. It worked, they got lucky. I don't think they're getting lucky with Wii U. I don't think [Nintendo] suck – I just think that they really believe that, 'If we're still novel, everything we do will work'. This isn't going to work." He is saying being novel will not work anymore. He has a a point. Consider the casual has basically moved on to the mobile/social gaming. Being novel (I think) will not work with hardcore games.
Especialy when it sounds like an upgrade What casual gamer who has a Wii is going to buy this at launch. "Hey look hunni a new Wii...no point buying it since we have a working Wii here at home" It sounds like the Wii and kind of looks like it, unless casual gamers watched E3 or have kept up with gaming realted news then they arn't going to have a clue what the Wii U can actually do compared to the Wii they have. Besides if I was a COD fan I don't think I could play it with a Wii U Game Pad... <Look down at map/switch weapons/check score> <Look Up, Shoot enemies> <Look down at game pad again> <Look Up....DEAD> "F*ck" You would have to play something like that with the Pro Controler. I don't always agree with Pachter but he's got a point with Nintendo thinking they'll get lucky again. Should they really be relying on luck...this is a pretty big gamble for them
""Hardcore gamers will buy them; hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy it. They could put out a piece of cardboard and say that it'll play Mario and they'll buy it" lol That could be said about anybody whos hardcore about anything
The Wii-U has the little fat Italian plumber along with other Nintendo fan favorites to promote and sell units
The fact is that Wii sold only because it was the cheapest. Wii released at 250 USD while X360 launched at 400 USD and PS3 at the highest 500-600 USD. That was a HUGE margin and it helped a lot to sell Wii. If you disagree then why Wii is struggling to sell now when PS3 and X360 became affordable? Wii had: Bad graphics No proper online service No trophies/achievements Poor 3rd party support Motion Controls would have never helped to cover these disadvantages that I mentioned above, but Wii was twice cheaper than the competitors - and that's the reason it gained 40% market share this gen. Wii U's success also depends on its price and 3rd party support. Controller with a screen is a cool addition, but it won't help that much if the price is too high or there's not enough 3rd party support. P.S. Don't get me wrong, Wii has many great games, but I'm talking about system sellers like GTA, Assassin's Creed or The Elder Scrolls
No. Wii had a fad called motion gaming and that's why people fell for it. It was a console aimed for family gaming. Mario fans (who are greater in number than call of duty, and halo fans) also were interested in the wii. Ofc price had a big influence on its sales but it still would have outsold the xbox/ps3 because back then there was no cod.
so games for adults then? since you only listed Rated M titles
cus everyone owns wii or owned a wii
Another of the main reasons was people thought they were getting a next gen console for $250 but got a console with ps2 graphics and motion controller
pachter? Oh okay well that explains the ridiculous and Illogical statement being made
A Pachter prediction + N4G = Trollfeast
That doesn't make any sense. Activision put several Call of Duty games on the Wii. Did those games have Classic Controller support? I remember them being marketed as traditionally controlled Wii games.
Pro controller was a good idea by Nintendo. Options are usually good and contrary to what many believe a lot of gamers aren't digging the Wii u controller.
Don't be a Cow in Heat. 'Cause... A Cow in Heat wants a Big Bold Bull.
it might be about battery life of that screen, or weight issues for long gaming sessions
if ppl can play with the orginl xbox controler whic was like holding a 25 lb dumbell in ur hand they can handle a wii u controler
lol the sad thing is that you also need to buy the damn controller if you want to play your games at optimal settings!
You need not only to buy the Wii U, you also need to buy the pro controller to play like all other normal people do.
CoD on Wii began with people playing with Wiimote+Nunchuck. I am one of them
"Activision never said anything to me" Then why are you even talking, sir? lol
I think that the Wii U pro controller was made with 3rd parties in mind, but for a single game series... no way. CoD is very popular, but not enough to make Nintendo revamp all of their controllers. If this was true then Nintnedo would have added dual analog sticks to 3DS XL.
I'd sooner believe Nintendo did it for Gearbox than for Activision.
Did the NES get lucky? no Did the Playstation 1 get lucky? no Why can't pacther just give them credit for coming up with a good idea for console? It's not like Nintendo just came up with the idea out of the blue, they were thinking about for a long long time and it took lots of planning on how to market the Wii. Just give them credit for once, sheez
I'm going to come right out and say it, "I Hate Michael Patcher"! He is the worst! That guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Essentially, the Wii U gamepad is identical to the Wii U controller pro without a screen and a couple of grooves. I will own both if I buy the system, but only for titles that I see fit to use the Controller pro for. Honestly speaking, the second screen is the selling point for me and the controller pro is a second option. This guy doesn't understand the intuitive and innovative way games can be played on the Wii U using a second screen. I for one see the huge potential and groundbreaking options that might be created using this new style of gameplay. I really think it can enhance the way people play COD on Wii U; whether it be asymmetrical gaming, or just a few extra options laid out on the touchscreen, it could very well enhance a gamers options to limitless possibilities. Playing RE:Revelations on the 3DS opened up my eyes to how great it was to have a second screen at your disposal. If it was designed for COD in mind, then it worries me that the developers won't go to any extent to take advantage of the Wii U Gamepad. I really hope that developers take the time to use the second screen as a tool to enhance gameplay, not make any gimmicky crap like throw a grenade by sliding your finger on the touchscreen etc...
I think it would be more effective to give players the option of using the second controller screen or not. Take advantage of the second screen but don't force it on anyone who doesn't care for it. Some gamers simply don't want to try new things. That way you win over both audiences. As far as I'm concerned, options are always a good thing so long as they help someone enjoy their experience with the game. An excellent example is that Resident Evil Revelations had gyro controls. Not many people use it because it's not perfectly implemented, but for me it offered more precision while aiming, so it made the game better at least for me while offering other controls for other gamers. I believe the Wii U can offer the same sort of experiences if developers take proper advantage of it and help all audiences as oppose to just one or the other.
I agree, but at the same time developers should be trying to develop different ways of enhancing the experience with these new options, very similar to how Capcom did with Resident Evil: Revelations. That was an excellent point you brought up! The gyroscope controls didn't really do much for me but the touchscreen options and map really helped make it feel natural, not forced on us. I absolutely agree that that the Wii U controller Pro is an excellent idea for people not looking forward to change, but at the same time I feel that it should be something of a second option. People buying the Wii U (such as myself), are doing so in hopes that developers will take advantage and utilize these new options to the fullest extent; offering a unique and intuitive, new way, to enjoy these titles that will be available on multi-platforms. If done so correctly, without forcing gimmicky ideas that destroy the experience, it could very much so be the determining factor when deciding what console a game should be bought on. I like the idea of Wii U, very much so that I'm keeping a close eye on it. After seeing that Deadpool was officially announced for it, it makes me excited to see what other games are in store for it...
a cardboard box that plays mario & theyll buy it huh? wow
Well EA have stated BF4 will be on wiiu with tablet controls who needs COD.
What is so funny is that Pachter on the bonus round states he is getting a wii u on day one and clearly states he is sild and praised the machine but hated the conference. He is an old man who is such a bore and never gets the predictions right. "stick to the numbers"
WAIT! NO! YOU'RE SH!TTING ME! Man, if you didn't know this bit of news when you SAW the controller then you need to stop gaming. Lets find another article.
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