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KojiPro explains why it took so long to add trophies to Metal Gear Solid 4

Kojima Productions’ Sean Eyestone explains why it took so long to add trophy support for the Playstation 3 exclusive title, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. (Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, PS3)

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KingItachi  +   794d ago
Better late than never.
NBT91  +   794d ago
Better on time than late.
DebateMaster  +   794d ago
really?
Baka-akaB  +   794d ago
lol really smart when they never gave you a time to begin with
chazjamie  +   794d ago
what projects is this guy talking about. they make it seem like they created a plethora of games already. basically they didnt give a shit and had no intention of doing it. its trophies, not dlc. what a pathetic excuse.
Ares84HU  +   794d ago
Yeah, it should be released sooner to be honest. But I was waiting for trophy support to get back to MGS4. When it came out I played it for months and it was great.

Does anyone know when it's out exactly???
Dasteru  +   794d ago
On who's time? Kojima never previously gave a release date so "on time" is whenever it happens to release.
_-EDMIX-_  +   794d ago
does someone even care? I'm a huge MGS fan, played every MGS no less then 5 times, played MGS3 over 13 times! And very much plan to get the HD collection for it and i have to say....who cares?

Are you guys mad? Its trophies, what is it going to do for you? I've never understood why anyone would care. I mean are you guys really crying over something that flashes on the screen after you complete something?

I didn't care for silly achievements and when Trophys came out, i cared for them even less.

Kojima has better things to do then was time on trophies. making MGS Peace Walker, over seeing Rising, over seeing the MGS HD collections, over seeing MGS3 for 3DS, over seeing ZOE HD collection, producing ZOE III, making MGS5...oh yeah and developing a new engine for all 3 systems. Out of all that, i just don't care if trophies where never released for it. There are more important projects to finish.
Gaming101  +   794d ago
A lot of people lost hope years ago for trophies, as it was never a priority, they didn't bother hiring any new programmers (it's an entry level project, making a game trophy enabled) so it was never a concern. People didn't shout loud enough, and the cost benefit analysis just wasn't there.

The problem now is people will have to buy back the game if they sold it. I kept mine, but for those who didn't, the question becomes whether they would be willing to buy it again just for trophies, and if so are they buying it brand new? Because if they buy it used, which I take it the vast majority of them will, then Konami won't see a dime from it, so I don't see the cost benefit here from Konami's standpoint.

As a gamer, HELL YEAH WE GOT TROPHIES FINALLYYYY
crxss  +   794d ago
maybe they planned this, as in announce trophy support and a full install option knowing a flock of us would return to mgs4, shame they're doing this after mgo just went offline.
badz149  +   793d ago
damn them when they do, damn them if they don't
WTF haters? nobody is forcing anybody to replay through MGS4 again just because it has trophies! it's just an update to refresh an old game and personally, I think this is pure FAN SERVICE!

just think about it! MGS4 sold like 6+mil and bagged them a lot of profit already and MGS5 is also already confirmed! why would they even care to add trophies to the 4 years old MGS4? FAN SERVICE! personally, I am grateful that this is finally happening! MGS4 is simply 1 of my favorite game of all time and now I will bring myself to play it again just for the trophies and I'll have it posted on my profile proudly!

GTAIV didn't have trophies at 1st and I couldn't bring myself to finish it and when the trophies were added, I play it 1 more time and I still can't bring myself to finish it too! I've finished MGS4 3 times and now with trophies? IT CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH!
Korix  +   793d ago
To those saying they never gave a release date for trophies and therefore can't have been late - guess what - trophies don't *get* release dates, they are a basic part of every proper PS3 game and are expected to ship along with the game. Any later than release date is late. Stop pretending they can't be blamed for late trophy support. It's like saying CoD can't be blamed for after-release online support. It's such a basic thing that it needs to be there from the start.
Dasteru  +   793d ago
@Korix:

It would be great if game companies could do the impossible but unfortunately they can't. MGS4 came out in June 08, Trophies weren't patched into the PS3 firmware til July 08.

You may "expect" the impossible but most gamers have enough common sense not to.
Red_Orange_Juice  +   794d ago
Yes, I cant wait
pixelsword  +   794d ago
*Looks at copy of Resistance: Fall of Man*

WELL? HOW ABOUT YOU?!

*Throws at pet store across the street*

*gets gang-chomped by puppies*
Kurt Russell  +   794d ago
That and Heavenly Sword!
Larry L  +   794d ago
And OBLIVION.

Those are the only 3 pre-trophy games I think really deserved to get a trophy update. MGS4, Heavenly Sword and Oblivion.

Heavenly Sword I understand though. It was a victim of the time. Thrashed by the media, not only the game, but PS3 at the time too, and the install base was low. So the game didn't sell great.

But neither Konami nor Bethesda have any excuse (imo) for not adding trophies to these games. There was huge demand for MGS4 trophies, and all Bethesda would've had to do was port over the Live achievments. Not only that but Oblivion has even had a recent re-release (what was it?, last year?), why didn't the PS3 version get trophies then?

But I digress, I'm happy MGS4 is getting trophies now, and I'm going to rebuy the game in a couple days to prepare. Can't wait.
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Corepred4  +   793d ago
I will never have as much fun with another game on ps3 as I had with Resistance: Fall of Man. Say what you want but I LOVED that game! COD my ass! RFOM was in my ps3 almost 95% of the time!
roguewarrior  +   793d ago
@ corepred4

Agreed, Played the shit out of that game. Also the game that got me addicted to online MP
-GametimeUK-  +   794d ago
Better late than never, but never late is better.
SuperLupe  +   794d ago
Drizzy.
andibandit  +   794d ago
took so long because he was busy trying to figure out his own storyline.
Reibooi  +   794d ago
I actually like the timing to be honest. I loved MGS4 when i played it but it was such a satisfying conclusion that I probably at the time wouldn't have wanted to play it a ton more just to get trophies but now that it's been a few years. I can go back and take my time and do what I want to get the trophies without feeling the pressure to plow through the game to see the story.

I know it doesn't make alot of sense but yeah I like the timing.
t0mmyb0y  +   794d ago
I'm in the exact same boat as you.
WeskerChildReborned  +   794d ago
True that, i never really thought MGS4 would get trophys but now, i think it's awesome they are adding them.
ReservoirDog316  +   794d ago
Haha, true....

Now they need to add trophies to Valkyria Chronicles and rerelease it on the PS Store. They'd sell so much and finally make us (me) really happy.
showtimefolks  +   794d ago
i started playing like my 5th or 6th play through but now i stopped when trophies launch it will be a special feeling to play

i bet you there will be trophies for 2nd or 3rd play through for not skipping cut scenes
Xenial  +   794d ago
Never late is better.
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xtremeimport  +   794d ago
summary "we just didnt really want to"
bahabeast  +   794d ago
i payed $110.00 for this game in 2008 trophies was on NO GAMES still have the cd im gonna play it again
TronEOL  +   794d ago
Same here. Still have my collectors edition sitting on my shelf. Can't wait to pop it open again and platinum the poop out of this game.
BISHOP-BRASIL  +   794d ago
I payed around 150 USD (250 BRL at the time) for the standard version... The game was imported as PS3 games only started releasing here in 2010. With high taxes and the uber demand, the only version available at stores got that high, some people payed even more, but I don't regret getting it on release, it was major fun through single player and the multiplayer held me for some good six months (despite the whole Konami ID matter).

My only regret is that I recently re-played it with my cousin. And actually had a hard time making a no kills, no deaths and no alerts playthrouh... Oh well, not like I really mind playing it again, it's really fun!
SnotyTheRocket  +   794d ago
I paid $100, the day it came out. Best Buy only had the Collectors Edition, so, I was forced to buy that. Never regretted it. Still have it.
Snookies12  +   794d ago
Woo! Still have my Collector's Edition as well! Sitting up proudly displayed on my dresser, exactly where it should be... Where everyone can see it lol.

*salutes*
vickers500  +   794d ago
I got the collectors edition as well, but damn, that's how much it was back in the day? I don't remember the price of it when I bought it. Kind of a rip off of a collectors edition compared to todays CEs.

A special box and a making of blu-ray with a soundtrack on it I believe was all that was in there.

For that price these days, you usually get that, plus a really cool and pretty well detailed statue, and two little trinkets (like a belt buckle, a ring, a medallion or some replica of some in-game item), some lithographs or special papers that look like they were hand written, some exclusive (though virtually pointless) dlc, an artbook.

Hell, Deus Ex Human Revolution had the same stuff as MGS4s CE but only cost 10 more dollars than the regular edition I believe.

Collectors editions sure have gotten better over the years it seems.
Jazz4108  +   793d ago
Game stop upgraded everyone who preordered deus to the ce for free. I still can't believe with the 360 out a year ahead of time it still took $ony another year to come up with a trophy program that borrowed heavely from ms idea to make them standard and required in every game. So if you like trophys in your games you need to thank ms for making them standard as its obvious sony wasn't going to go that route when they released and only copied ms since they were successfull. Say what you want but that's the truth 100 percent and every sony fan knows this.
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vickers500  +   793d ago
@Jazz4108

Go away troll.
KwietStorm  +   794d ago
Where the hell did you pay $110? I paid $80 for the collector's edition on release.
azshorty2003  +   794d ago
I paid $8 a few weeks ago. Yes, $8! Since Gamestop doesn't differentiate between regular and collectors on trade in, some poor schmuck was wiling to take the $2.50 trade value. Which means I got it at the $8 used price tag. Still in fantastic condition!
Spydiggity  +   794d ago
Save yourself the time. The reason is, "we didn't have time."

we needed an article for that...
fastNslowww  +   794d ago
It's just pointless now, they should've just waited it out until MGS5.
forevercloud3000  +   794d ago
Its actually a pretty smart(yet calculated move) right now. I find it a bit funny that they decide to give us trophies after recent studies that say that most PS3 players will not play a game without trophies and they would buy a game again simply for trophies.
They know this game was at the top of the list and they will squeeze a few extra thousand from those who sold it and will buy it back now.

I don't care what there reasoning for it now really is though. Just glad I can collect my precious in one of my favorite games. Here is hoping Valkyria Chronicles is next..... ;)
Snookies12  +   794d ago
I think it's nice... After all this time, I haven't played MGS4 in quite a while. It'll give me a very solid reason to go back through it for the tenth time haha.
Tundra  +   794d ago
I've played through MGS4 3 times. Come August, I'll be playing it again.
_-EDMIX-_  +   794d ago
though i don't like it as much as MGS3, its a great MGS game none the less. I think out of the 4 MGS, its the weakest in some areas, but in terms of every other game released this gen, its STILL in my top 10 of best games this gen!

I didn't like the bosses, and some of the segments. Other then that, i loved the whole game.

Old Snake in the microwave scene might be one of the most baddest ass moments in gaming! The man was OG'ing it and the way you had to keep pressing that button made you feel like you where OGing it too. Amazing directing and amazing cinematic! The best scenes in that game i can't even say in fear of spoiling it. The ending....Tundra...the ending..OMG Tundra the ending.

Masterpiece.
Summons75  +   794d ago
Should have left them out, trophies and achievements are the most pointless things I have seen in all my life of gaming, and before someone say "but they add replay value" stop it because they do not. If they did why would so many people play this game over and over again without any trophies or why do people play past generation games without any achievements? It's because you replay a game for enjoyment and love of the game not some intangible reward that dose not mean a things.
TBM  +   794d ago
can't argue with what you said here, often times i don't care about the trophies or achievement pts. like you said if i replay a game its because i really enjoyed said game.
pixelsword  +   794d ago
I like them when they are done well; I don't like going around a level the size of a city looking for a few hundred orbs.

I piss on games like that.

Not literally.
Jdoki  +   794d ago
What's wrong with playing a game over and over, and having something to work towards?

If I play the main game for 50hours, then 25 hours replaying it, and then another 25hours trying to get Trophies... how is that a bad thing?

What I like about Trophies / Achievements is that they make me think about playing games in a different way. I played Crackdown to death, just messing about after the main game was done... but there were some Achievements in there that gave me hours and hours of extra stuff to do that I wouldn't have thought of trying. I didn't care about the arbitrary points value, I just cared about beating a challenge the devs had set.
SAE  +   794d ago
It is true what you said , some are really crazy about trophies that makes them not wanting to play a game like mgs Just because it doesnt have trophies , these kind of people enjoy collecting stuff instead of enjoying the game ...

But trophies could be usefull if you finished the game , it will encourage you to play It again and do what you missed , it will give you more fun , so i believe that they should unlock the trophies after completing the game then do what you missed by looking at the rest of the trophies ....
TrueGaming  +   794d ago
I 100% agree with Summons on the fact that this game with or without trophies is worth playing over & over just because it's one of the best games you can buy PERIOD. IMPO I'm not a trophy collector, I generally think they're pointless because trophies don't make me a better gamer & besides I play my games on the hardest difficulty possible & I generally get most of the tropies anyway. I believe I have 2000+ of 'em & just 1 is a platinum ( GOW3 just because I couldn't get enough of that damn game). I'd rather enjoy a game that has brilliant AI, graphics, story, & gameplay that kills me over & over until I beat it for a feeling of personal acheivment rather than a crap load of trophies for doing something that doesn't affect me gameplay wise. But for those that like them ... It's whatever, you like what you like & thats your MO... YEEEAAAAHWAAAAHHHH
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AvatarTwasCheesy  +   794d ago
How unnecessary of a comment, "pointless" is an opinionated term; what's considered pointless to yourself doesn't make it pointless for everyone. Heck, I might as well throw in the word "enjoyment" into that pile, who's to say trophies/achievements don't bring enjoyment? - another opinionated term.

What really bugs me is you saying; "Should have left them out", they easily could have been left out and forgotten for another 4 years but the developers put in work and are understandable enough to think otherwise.

So instead of slandering the integration of trophies for a 4 year-old game, think about the fact that no-one is forcing you to play the game again, you're not being told to acknowledge trophies. Trophies are just there for those who enjoy accomplishing them, not for people to bitch about something which they don't care about and which doesn't effect them or the gameplay experience at all.
Summons75  +   794d ago
see it's funny how you say care, when it's not possible to care about something that dosen't actually have a meaning or actual relevance. In previous generations people did not re-play games because of a trophy or collect the best or hidden things or any special reward they did it because it was fun and enjoyable.
TrueGaming  +   794d ago
@ CHEESY... why get butt hurt when you're not bright enough to decipher that it's SUMMONS opinion about the subject but he just didn't specify it was in his own view ... You should quit acting like the B!TCH because if you're smart enough to bring up the point about the devs implementing them in after 4 years... then you're should be smart enough to get that he's saying he enjoys the game because its fun to play to play instead of playing it just for the trophies. But yet you came to the conclusion that he's bitching & acting like he's saying he's being forced to play it again when only YOU that came to that a$$ backwards conclusion... In short stay on simple topic instead of trolling someone's comment geek. BTW your entire comment except the middle was unnecessary... YEEEAAAHWAAAHHH
BlackTar187  +   794d ago
I have been playing games for over 20+ years and i love trophies. I got all the old MGS items bandana optic camo from old games got the big boss emblem for mgs4. I will be going back and playing it for the 6th 7th and 8th times now and will enjoy it because of trophies. I would probably never have played the game again on a ps3 systems without them.

Trophies/ achievements are awesome complaining about them because other people like them and you don't is childish. They do not hamper anything they only add to the experience.

I bet you yell at people for loving a football team too?
Campy da Camper  +   794d ago
If trophies are pointless then why does every sporting event hand them out to winners? So we should quit having the award ceremony for the Olympics? The athletes should just compete for the love of the game?

That's fine if it your opinion but a lot of people like to receive a medal for doing something they love that can be quite difficult.
Summons75  +   794d ago
That's different, those are tangible, those you actually work for and earn. Completing a tutorial in a game dose not count as dedicating your life to something like Olympic Swimming. People who play sports dedicate their LIFE to that whereas spending 5-40 hours in a game dose not qualify for a reward. Your reward for doing things in a game should be more weapons or armor or skins or whatever...you know like old games have. Trophies tell you what to look for and how to do it, nothing in FF7 awarded me for getting a Gold Chocobo besides actually getting one that is reward enough for my hard work not some loud annoying DING that tells me I did it and nothing else
KingofGambling  +   794d ago
They want gamers to play MGS4 again to remember how great it is and announce the next MGS project.
Jdoki  +   794d ago
I'll be interested to see what they are. bet there's some really sneaky ones.
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nevin1  +   794d ago
They should of had remix this game like they did with MGS2 and 3 with much needed new gameplay content.
bahabeast  +   794d ago
i think thier will be a trophy that reads 1 gold = ready for msg5
TrueGaming  +   794d ago
Just a thought for you gamers out there.... what if trophies unlocked small DLC items like extra characters, skins , & other small things like avatars or themes? I know it won't happen because companies will lose out the extra money BUT IMPO I think that would make gamers play the hell outta your games more so because it'd actually affect those gamers gameplay experience... food for thought... YEEEAAAHWAAAHHH
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P_Bomb  +   794d ago
Some games do. A platinum in Uncharted 2 got you a new multiplayer skin. Other trophies in other games unlocked Home items, or Avatar awards on the 360. Great concept, wish more would follow suit.
Dasteru  +   794d ago
Sony was saying before the release of PS Home that getting platinum trophies in some games would give you an actual trophy within Home that you could place and display. Not sure if any games ever ended up doing it though.
mochachino  +   794d ago
I would have paid for a trophy patch a couple of years ago.
Alcohog  +   794d ago
What sucks is that I played the SHIT out of this game 4 times including getting the BBE. Do I have to do it all over again?! Should be retroed based on your emblems and stats. I mean why the fuck not?
DragonKnight  +   794d ago
Are you saying you don't like the game enough to play it again?
Alcohog  +   793d ago
No, I'm definitely looking forward to playing it again. It's just if there are trophies like get X number of X, it seems silly. Isn't there a stats screen of some kind? I forget. Anyways, now that I think about it a BBE type playthrough will doubtfully be required for a Platinum...too difficult for your average gamer I'd think.
DragonKnight  +   793d ago
I hate those kinds of trophies. Like the Infamous ones where you had to get all the Blast Shards and they decided to put 400 of them in a city sized game. Yeah, thanks for that tedium.

I don't think they'll have a BBE trophy either, but then again look at how hard the WipeOut trophies were.
BlackTar187  +   794d ago
yea screw that. Let me re earn them havig them pop up sounds boring
neutralgamer19  +   794d ago
Honestly im not a trophy #hore but when i recieve one i feel a sense of accomplishment lol. Either way i will replay MGS4 not just for the trophies but also because it is a great game (minus the many many cut scenes you cant skip.
ChronoJoe  +   794d ago
Only need Valkyria Chronicles, Resistance and Ratchet and Clank TOD / QFB to have trophies now.

None of those are going to happen though.
Tzunoy  +   794d ago
Lol, bullshitting people just to make another buck.
supremacy  +   794d ago
i really dont know what to think here.

Naughty dog patched uncharted and finished the 2nd game which was a bigger project to tackle.

In all honesty all it takes is for one dev to hand the codes of its game over to a work free dev to handle these kinds of things.

Heavenly sword could be patched by santa monica, while resistance can be patched by nihilistic or something.

Ratchet and clank
Heavenly sword
Resistance F.O.M
Folklore

Many more deserve a trophy patch. seriously.
Ddouble  +   794d ago
Add Valkyria Chronicles to that list.
NewZealander  +   794d ago
To late
MacUser1986  +   794d ago
If it took an employee at a retail store this long to do something they would be fired.
trippyaaron  +   794d ago
trophies would have been a smart move to revive mgo
ziggurcat  +   794d ago
this is a kick*** game. i'm so glad that i'm going to be able to enjoy it again with trophies.
SSKILLZ  +   794d ago
every trophy had to be polished with extreme care
Ramas  +   794d ago
in other words adding a trophy is a very serious job, that requires many programers and so on.
And i thought it's is just a simple thing that can be done in few days. silly me yeah?
koston3647  +   794d ago
too many debbie downers on this article....

I think some of us have forgotten the fact that we can all go replay MGS4 and get trophies!
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OldSnakePS3  +   794d ago
i want MGS4 avatars as well!!!!!!!!
frickin youd think the 2nd best selling ps3 exclusive would have a few frickin avatars!!!!!!!!!!
PirateThom  +   794d ago
I still say an intern, who only works a few hours at weekends and only when he's not at school, was given the task and has been working on it solidly since trophies were available.
jay2  +   794d ago
Well, higher a couple for say a month to add trophies for god sake that's narrow minded thinking
Garrison  +   794d ago
I love trophies. They are an awesome addition to gaming In my opinion, which actually provides added replay value to your existing purchase. Sadly I gave my copy of metal gear 4 to a local pawn shop, but seeing as the game is widely available and cheap everywhere it's alright.

I'm struggling badly with finding the time to play my existing library as it is thou. I wish I had the time to plat most of my games but the truth is that if I did I would never take full advantage of my game collection. Still, I applaud gamers who take full avantage of their games and hunt trophies while having fun. I just wonder where the thinking that if you hunt trophies on games you like you like you must not enjoy doing it? People like to be good at things and like to put in effort into what they do, why is this mindblowing to some people?
You always get a reward in every game out there, usually the rewarding feeling of winning, a high score, a great moment and now that cool chime that indicates "trophy!".
spunkee311  +   794d ago
I love trophies as well. As soon as they patched Uncharted, Force Unleashed, and GTAIV I replayed them again. If you don't like trophies you can just ignore them. But the majority of gamers like trophies on some level. And Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all know this.

I'm really excited to replay this. I'm playing through the HD collection right now. Just beat MGS2 and MGS3 and now on PeaceWalker. So the timing for this patch is perfect.
JohnnyAkiba  +   794d ago
Uncharted and GTA4 have trophies since 2008.lol
spunkee311  +   794d ago
Yes I know. lol. I never said they didn't
Ethereal  +   794d ago
Busy with MGS5 =) Still glad they are adding the patch though.
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