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Submitted by ninavoljic 745d ago | opinion piece

New GTA V Screenshots Prove PS4 and Xbox 720 Aren't Yet Needed

Techtorial: Rockstar's unexpected release for GTA V's new screenshots spawned a lot of theories, one of which is the assumption the game is matched for next-generation consoles. Let's do some data gathering and see if the theory matches the reality. (Grand Theft Auto V, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Angels3785  +   745d ago
I'm almost certain they did not say which platform the screens were taken on. It could be PC for all we know.....I'd love to see graphics like that on ps3/360, but I'm not too sure. Plus this could end up being like GTA IV, with frame rate drops that even managed to plague the PC version even with a beast of a system. I had an HD 6990, AND an i7 2600k and i had to tone the settings down to get it at good consistant frames (I came late to the gta IV PC party). Plus if I remember correctly there were significant drops on consoles as well during points with multiple AI and action sequences....until I see gameplay that is from Xbox 360 or ps3, these screens could be edited, upscaled, the PC version, or be possible, but with a bad frame rate.
brodychet  +   745d ago
whatever the case may be, I need this game more than I want most games. rock*<3
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BiggCMan  +   745d ago
If they can just make the game fun to play, graphics won't matter much at all. I think for now, most are just expecting similar graphics to GTA 4, just a little more time put into it to run smoother, and have much more color in it. Textures won't be much different, and over all quality will remain similar as well.

But none of that matters if the game is just as boring as 4 was. It was a well made game, but the lack of fun things to do is what killed it for me. The game was made to be more grown up, and not wild and crazy like the PS2 games. But the fans will tell you, most of us prefer the PS2 games, so they need to bring that back.

But more on the topic of this article, I guess they think the screenshots are breathtaking, or some of the best graphics ever? I can tell you now that they are far from jaw dropping when I have GTA 4 and Skyrim currently looking like this on my personal computer.

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Razmossis  +   744d ago
It'll be a long time before I have a spare 400 pound to spend again, they can keep their 'next gen' consoles, im happy with my PS3 and games the way they are... as far as im concerned, THIS gen is still 'next gen'.
JhawkFootball06  +   744d ago
Everything this gen looks better with screenshots. The hard part is to make it look just as good with motion.
knowing most devs it's pc screens. Plus rockstar are already using dx11 on pc.
Shaman  +   745d ago
Just want to say that R* NEVER releases bullshots. They released direct feed screens with GTA IV, RDR, MP3 and now with GTAV. You can clearly see aliasing, and B3D has confirmed they are native 720p and FXAA. Those are console shots, definitely.
chukamachine  +   745d ago
THey are console shots, it should look slightly better then GTA4, fxaa should help. Just needs a decent story.
Eyesoftheraven  +   744d ago
What also gives it away is how the detail in the wooden pier texture fades while still fairly close to the camera, indicating a relatively low amount of anisotropic filtering.
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Rettom  +   744d ago
This guy ^^^ is intelligent
Computersaysno  +   744d ago
They aren't PC. PC would look better than these shots for sure.
Gorilla_Killa_X  +   744d ago
I agree that those are clearly console screenshots and not PC.
Oh_Yeah  +   745d ago
really? -__- the best were going to get on consoles in terms of open world graphics have already been achieved, i dont see any games topping skyrim, just cause 2, far cry series or red dead...itll look in the ballpark of those if anything. end of story.
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vortis  +   745d ago
Fanboys are retarded. You sir, are correct.

Games can't look any better than what they do. THE HARDWARE IS STILL THE SAME FROM 2005/2006!

Where do you fanboys get the idea that newer games for consoles will look like high-end DX11 games on PC? Where are the consoles getting this extra GPU power and RAM from?!?!
SnakeforPresident  +   745d ago
Vortis your right only in that consoles cant touch a high end DX11 pc. But to say that games look the same as from 2005 is retarded. Graphics arent just GPU and Ram. Look at a launch ps3 game and uncharted 3 and tell me they look the same. Sounds like u have no idea of how much you can squeeze out of good software.
tee_bag242  +   744d ago
@Snakeforpresident

What is is saying is optimization on the PS3/360 hardware has been happening since 2005/2006. Sure we have seen great improvements since then as that is many year of optimization. But now, 6-7 years later games aren't going to magically look much better than they presently do.
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Lazy_Sunday  +   745d ago
They are probably taken on PC. If you remember Ubisoft and EA Games at E3, they debuting FarCry 3 and Watch Dogs / Crysis 3 and MoA:WF using 360 controllers plugged into decked out gaming PCs. It's not a shoddy new business tactic, devs have been doing it for ages. The problem is the hardware gap has become so large between consoles and PCs that it's now blatantly apparent.
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tee_bag242  +   744d ago
Haha, gotta love the upset disagree's
StraightPath  +   745d ago
Will xbox 360 be the premier grand theft auto experience again? If gta5 comes with exclusive dlc again on xbox 360 I am sure ill be getting the 360 version. Since by the time dlc came on ps3 was anciet history n old. Ps3 didnt have trophies until patch. Graphics were worse aswell as all multiplatforms on ps3. So xbox 360 version it is again.

Although pc mods are the best n graphics are insane on pc. No one cares about it after 5 year late pc graphics mod. Pc got a broken port at first remember.

Xbox 360 version of gta4 was the best.
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tee_bag242  +   744d ago
Fanboy much?

You could at least try and be more subtle.

I felt a chunk of vomit in my throat after reading that.
Awesome_Gamer  +   745d ago
It's the console version, it's rendered in 720p and it doesn't have AA (understandable because it's in the beta stage)
NoFanboyRequired  +   744d ago
If the game is sub HD, and has frame drops like gta4 (which most likely will be). Then yes. Next Gen is needed. If my imac, with a 256mb gpu can run most games at 1080/1440p, why can't my Xbox?

I seriously want next Gen next year. I want to utilize that full 1080p on my new 46 inch Toshiba!

The game looks great either way though. Day one buy for me!
SuperStrokey1123  +   744d ago
uh yeah... what games are running at that resolution on an imac?
NoFanboyRequired  +   744d ago
Many games when you have windows installed. Hmm, lets see. The newer imacs with 2GB HD Radeon's in them. Stop being a little "PC" fanboy. Maybe do some research before you open your trap. :)

Gta4 on the imac. Game resolution at 1080. recording at 480p.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Crysis 2 at 2560x1440.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Bad company 2 in 1440p

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

There's your answer. Have a nice day noob. :3
Persistantthug  +   744d ago
@NoFanboyRequired.....You do understand that 720p is HIGH DEFINITION.....
Right?
SuperStrokey1123  +   743d ago
Typo in my post, it should read what games are you playing at the resolution as you only have a 256 meg card as clearly the games you are running would be far different than those you posted.

Either way you clearly have a chip on your shoulder... of course i would too if i gamed on a mac (im just bugging you, not serious at all so please dont freak out).
tehpees3  +   744d ago
Your right. Its impressive. I think its taken from the PC version myself but if Rockstar have squeezed that much out of the visuals then I expect frequent loading (and a lot of frame rate drops) from it.

And I disagree with this srticle. The consoles have had a good run but its time for new tech. Last gen people would have been ready for new systems last year but because Microsoft and Sony aren't ready the rest of the world must not be right? >_>

I don't even care if its a minor leap. We need fresh tech. I know I'm not the only one thinking this. Even if MS and Sony aren't ready, a lot of gamers are.
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Veneno  +   744d ago
Although I really didnt like gta4 geez ppl stop being douches. Look at Red Dead and how pretty that was even on 360. Red Dea was the game that proved to me that this generation is not getting old, but not enough developer are actually putting in the work to get these gorgeous graphics out of these consoles. I'm a 3D artist and I know that you don't sit at the computer and say " ok computer, make something pretty." It takes ACTUAL TALENT AND WORK. Like the people at Rockstar and Naughty Dog do all the time.
segamon  +   745d ago
speak of yourself kid.
brodychet  +   745d ago
i'm speaking for plenty, kid.
segamon  +   745d ago
that may be right.. but not plenty enough to hold back next gen, kid.
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jessupj  +   745d ago
We are in desperate need of next gen consoles.

Just look at any game on the PC with decent settings.
SnakeforPresident  +   745d ago
desperate is pushing it.
NoFanboyRequired  +   744d ago
@jessupj.
Right? Battlefield 3 on low settings for the PC still looks better than what the PS360 version looks like.
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SuperStrokey1123  +   744d ago
Not me, im ready!
SephirothX21  +   745d ago
Wait until we see some gameplay but things are looking promising so far.
DivineAssault  +   745d ago
Shut the front door! we do need nx gen consoles.. Look at how great the PCs run games compared to consoles.. We need native 1080p+ games in 60fps on home consoles.. Not small arcade or indie games either..

We need unreal 4 & luminous engines running on home consoles with minimal to no stress
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HammadTheBeast  +   745d ago
Indy games are better than a lot of big budget games. Gameplay is what makes it, graphics may break it. Graphics on consoles will always be below PC. Yes it sucks, but console experiences are imo more fun. Voice chat built in, friends, and a huge variety if games more than make up for graphics.

Then again, I could be wrong...
andyboy13  +   745d ago
The problem with 60fps is it won't happen unless console gamers cry out! You can make your game look twice as good if you don't have a playable frame rate... I think that until people accept the limits of a console, you won't see 60fps because that's how devs are getting better graphics. Cut the fps to make it look pretty.

That being said, sure 5 years or however long the consoles have been out does allow Devs to increase frame rates by optimization and understanding how the consoles handle code. Don't get me wrong on that. I just don't think that miracles can be performed without some new hardware. It kind of sucks being a pc gamer... Max Payne 3 for instance was optimized for pc, but my 2 year old system runs it at 200-300fps on max settings... Would be nice for consoles to push the gaming industry forward, because devs really don't care about the pc gamer at the end of the day.
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DivineAssault  +   745d ago
BS.. They care enough.. Look @ skyrim, Witcher, BF3, hell console owners didnt even get Star Wars TOR.. PC gets some attention.. & blizzard pretty much only caters to PC gamers..
ArtificiallyYours  +   744d ago
You cannot base the need of new consoles only on Graphics.

That's insane, and undermines why we concern ourselves with it in various departments.
JBSleek  +   745d ago
Indeed I couldn't agree. Photos of an unreleased game that are probably PC based proves we don't need replacements for 6-7 year old hardware. Got you.
Tonester925  +   745d ago
I want to see the game in action before I draw conclusions from a trailer.
EliteDave93  +   745d ago
R* has confirmed that the trailer was from actual gameplay footage.
Tonester925  +   745d ago
I want to see someone play it!
lonesoul65  +   745d ago
Be nice to each other guys...everyone knows or should know that a PC is much more powerful than the current consoles. Sure they are still amazing machines but the mods you can add onto GTA4 look better than GTA5 in the current screens. It does look great and knowing Rockstar it will be an all-star and we all will buy it on console and play the snot out of it...and when it;s released for the PC, we'll do it all over again.

Just be happy we have anything...its not developers that are ruining gaming...its the gamers
vortis  +   745d ago
The gamers?

What a daft statement. It's the publishers ruining the freaking business not the gamers.

Gamers are what made indie devs blast into popularity.

Gamers are why DayZ is pushing Arma 2 to close to 1 million sales.

No, sir, you are incorrect and I'm compelled to call you a douche. However, I'm taking the high road like those tweedpunk gentlemen from "Sir, You Are Being Hunted" and instead I shall simply call you a biscuit.
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EronY  +   745d ago
bullshots ;)
alessandro10  +   745d ago
why do i want to purchase a "next gen" console just for 60 fps and 1080p??? pppfff GTFO

what we need is advancements on gameplay, things that just can be done right now.... and i have not seen that yet??

well Watchdogs and the other FF demo are promising but they are still a long way to go, right now there nothing next gen on pc, and i repeat fps and resolution does not make them next gen
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tee_bag242  +   744d ago
Such a great point alessandro10 ! Although I would welcome the graphics update, it's a distraction from whats really the lack of.
Bubble up sunshine!
AngelicIceDiamond  +   745d ago
Ubisoft (Watch Dogs and ACIII) EA (BattleField 3) and Crytek (Crysis 3)

Are all proven that the current consoles are have hidden potential left in them. Though with Watch Dogs, I rather have that one on next gen we just heard about it last month I really want that game to shine on the console version. I don't want a up scaled res or HD packs or frame rate cuts etc no I want the full package, I want the version that we saw at E3 on consoles which would be next gen.

I can see those screenshots/teaser trailer matching the PS360's version. To agree with the top comment, we don't know if its consoles or PC, though GTAIV didn't set the "graphical" bar imo which gives it room to be console screenshots. I'm hoping its console but we have to play the wait and see game.
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JBSleek  +   745d ago
"Are all proven that the current consoles are have hidden potential left in them"

They proved that they can run the games at aroun 25-30 fps at 720p. Not some hidden potential we haven't seen yet or the unbelieveable. Also two of those games haven't even come out yet.
vortis  +   745d ago
Until consoles can do the iCEnhancer you can't seriously believe those shots are from consoles.
violents  +   745d ago
I don't see how they make these kind of claims based on a couple of screenshots. I think it looks good in the video they released and i defintley think people undersell current gen consoles a little because of titles like TLOU and beyond two souls watch dogs and a couple others coming out soon are going to show people there is stilll some life left in this gen. But either way, the next gen consoles are supposedly going to run like a native 4k resolution and engines like unreal 4 are very exciting and i would love to see what some devs can do with the new tech coming out.
Lior  +   745d ago
How do u know it not PC screens every developer these days are only showing PC
SlapHappyJesus  +   745d ago
Being that almost every game being shown at E3 were running on a pc . . .
Trenta27  +   745d ago
They haven't said for what systems yet. For all we know, it could come out on the next gen consoles.
Angels3785  +   745d ago
No they said it would be ps3/360/pc, but we dont know what system those screen shots/ trailer were running on.......it could be PC or a next gen console that hasn't been revealed by Microsoft or Sony
Trenta27  +   745d ago
Ah gotcha. I stand corrected, then.
violents  +   745d ago
read the article dude it says in bold print that gtaV will debut on ps3/xbox360
ToonarmY  +   745d ago
Are not yet needed? Who is he kidding, the console graphics are not even close to that of Crysis 1 yet. A game that was released over five years ago....
The_Infected  +   745d ago
Yea and what you see here could probably be twice the graphics with the next Xbox and Playstation. Maybe not needed but still wanted:)
BertlSenix  +   745d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Just saying - This is what PC has for years now.
Sure graphics don't messure how great a game is but it doesn't hurt if it looks like that.
That video is even old - There is a link there to a new trailer for even further enhanced graphics.
The PS3 has the best version of Battlefield 3(most beautiful Multiplat Game on consoles) and with Uncharted and stuff the most beautiful exclusives.

So who is holding us back?Oh yeah 360 is holding everything back again but lets support them further cause Kinect Star Wars and CoD with an ENgine from 1999 are so awesome.
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PersonMan  +   745d ago
You know what I got from that video? A pretty image to look at but it's still the same boring-assed game. Do graphics make a game more fun? I'd gladly play Uncharted 3 even if It had Call of Duty graphics. If the game is fun, it's fun. Period.

Gameplay is another story though. If Uncharted 3 had Call of Duty style gameplay, I'd probably hate it.

On a side note. All those sun reflections beaming off the car's windows all the time would drive me absolutely nuts. I really hope developers don't do that in all their games next gen.
SlapHappyJesus  +   744d ago
Both consoles run Battlefield on low. It just happens to have some better lighting . . . that's it. They both run the game at slightly below 720p and both handle, at most times, the game at 30 frames.

As for the first-party exclusives. Sure. They look good. But that's a small amount of developers, under the guidance of Sony themselves, who can pull off those visuals. Besides, when games like Metro 2033, L.A. Noire, Mafia 2, and Witcher are possible on the 360, I don't see much of a difference between what one console can do and what the other can do.

If you ask me, playing games in 2012 that don't even hit 720p, at frames that are just decent. Nothing more. Well, that's nothing to be proud of.

They are both pieces of crap at this point. Even a mid-range pc has ten times the power of either of the consoles.
Dlacy13g  +   745d ago
Good God... screenshots prove NOTHING. Hell you can take a screen shot of a sub 720P game and it can look amazing. How does it run? Frame rate? jaggies? How deep is the gameplay? How many on screen animations, back ground AI, etc...

Screenshot prove the PS4 and Xbox 720 are not needed....ROFL!!!!
ExitToExisT  +   745d ago
i hate this kind of cheap lame ass articles
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dcortz2027  +   745d ago
I could care less about the graphics, just make GTA fun again! GTA IV felt slow and boring.
Dms2012  +   745d ago
So 30 fps or less it is!
BitbyDeath  +   745d ago
Might not be needed but they are wanted.
PersonMan  +   745d ago
Tell you one thing... next gen consoles will not push for 60fps.

Think about it. If they can render more information in 30fps, then why wouldn't they want to do that? Consoles do not need to be 60fps. With a controller, you hardly notice anyway. Plus, I don't want all my games to feel like Call of Duty if you know what I mean.
iNFAMOUZ1  +   745d ago
ignore all he said he forgot his meds, ARE YOU CRAZY? hell no we all need and want 60fps standard for fluidity and precision.
guitar_nerd_23  +   745d ago
Lag, take Wipeout HD as an extreme example the handling feels notably less responsive in split screen mode when it's doing 30fps same deal on Wipeout 2048 on the Vita.

Not all games need 60fps, but racers, fighters and ideally shooters benefit a lot from it.
PersonMan  +   744d ago
But I think developers like to push for 30 because it gives them twice the rendering time for better effects. Who wouldn't want a nicer looking game?

Plus, if next gen is just this gen's graphics with 60fps, that won't be good.

You watch. Next gen is still going to be mostly 30fps games. A resolution and framerate bump is not next gen.
guitar_nerd_23  +   744d ago
I agree they probably will still mostly push for 30fps with the odd exception and 30fps is fine for a lot of stuff.

And again I agree next gen would probably look pretty similar overall to this gen if it were all 60fps 1080p.

(I replied to this one again because I couldn't reply to your new comment :) )
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PersonMan  +   743d ago
They'll see. What console generation hasn't gone with 30fps? Wasn't the PS3 way more powerful than the PS2? Everyone thought we were getting 1080p 60fps, but did that happen? Nope.

I'm calling it. Next gen will be mostly 30fps except for Call of Duty and arcade-y games.
guitar_nerd_23  +   745d ago
All the footage so far is blatantly from PC.

Look at GTAIV, Red Dead and LA Noire on consoles and they don't even always run at a very steady frame rates as it is!

It's delusional to think that it will look that good on current consoles.
vortis  +   745d ago
Fanboys disagree with you, obviously the 360 and PS3 have hidden power stashes that enable them to unleash their full potential resulting in an overload of uberawesomeness...so much awesome...it's...it's. ..
it's.... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
guitar_nerd_23  +   744d ago
LOL :D
-Gespenst-  +   745d ago
Nah I've turned, we do need new consoles. The Ps2 and the Ps1 didn't have this anomalous tech that developers took years to learn, and that's why they were both amazing consoles with vast and great libraries.

If all the consoles are more accessible to devs, games will be easier to make, and we'll get more of them. No more proprietary tech, consoles should just use great parts off the shelf which are as future proof as possible.

Exclusives and cross-platform games are just as viable when the tech is more accessible, so nothing needs to change there, we wouldn't necessarily see more cross-platform games. The only difference would be that we'd get more games; have more games to choose from. Which is a good thing.
violents  +   744d ago
"The Ps2 and the Ps1 didn't have this anomalous tech that developers took years to learn, and that's why they were both amazing consoles with vast and great libraries"

Not true in the original God of war and God of war 2 sony santa monica was pulling off effects and visuals not to be thought possible on a ps2s. Someone with the right background can always find a way to make computers perform in ways everyone believed previously to be impossible.

a freind of mines sister works at the NSA and she made some program run 4000 times faster by changing one line of code. It just takes the right programmer.
KrimsonKody  +   745d ago
I believe those are console shots.
Simply because I believe the visuals can be achieved on current consoles.

To everyone crying "oh, those are PC shots because consoles can't do that"
WHY not?!
Look @ games like Mass Effect, Skyrim, Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid 4...
All of these games have extremely decent graphics & textures, thanks to developers who've done great jobs coding their games for a console.
I honestly don't see why current consoles should be incapable of producing this.

Also, not to sound fanboy-ish, but I'm kind of particularly thinking about the PS3.
I know the PS3 could produce those graphics, but I'm a bit uncertain about the 360, only because I know it has its hardware limits.
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annus  +   744d ago
"PC shots because consoles can't do that"
"WHY not?!"
"I know the PS3 could produce those graphics, but I'm a bit uncertain about the 360"

Oh, the irony. So I have a question, WHY not?! Why can't the Xbox360 run it but the PS3 can?

"Look @ games like Mass Effect, Skyrim,"... "All of these games have extremely decent graphics & textures, thanks to developers who've done great jobs coding their games for a console. "

Do you see how stupid what you just said was? You want a real reason why, according to what you have stated? The gap between PS3 to the good PCs are HUGE compared to the gap between Xbox360 to PS3. Just read over what you have said.

But yes, I will agree with you, those screenshots are certainly from consoles, they look good at the great at the small resolutions they are getting posted at, but at 720p it looks far, far worse. Also, the below screenshot is the official 720p released version, it's what it will look like.

http://media.gtanet.com/gal...
Skate-AK  +   745d ago
All I play is consoles and I have a hard time believing those were console screens. Its just looks too clean with no jaggies for an open world PS3-360 game. I say bring on next gen still.
tee_bag242  +   744d ago
Its very hard to tell since they screenshots are low resolution.
The water reflections look real-time and quite detailed which make me wonder.
bobshi  +   745d ago
What non-sense.

We don't know what the screenshots were taken from. If you ask me the screenshots also looked worse than the trailer.

Certainly not on par with the graphically acclaimed PS3 exclusives.

They looked decent, but certainly doesn't scream 'call off the next-gen'.

Just take one second to recall the reaction Watchdogs got.

That wasn't people amazed at gameplay, they were in awe of the graphics.
SuperDopetastic  +   744d ago
Don't think next gen will be as big a jump in graphics as ps2-PS3 was. More like PS- PS2, with focus more on performance. i stil lwant to play GTA
JonDiskonected  +   744d ago
I haven't gone through all the comments....but am I the only one who thinks that this actually looks like the pictures they show during the loading screen at the beginning of the game....
LAWSON72  +   744d ago
Lol... consoles fanboys would feel quite upset
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